ATF to Disregard Gun Owner Input on Illegal Registration Prevention

Gender Changes Proposed to ATF Form 4473
Proposed changes to form 4473 could pave the way for future gun registration says GOA.

U.S.A. -(AmmoLand.com)- According to Gun Owners of America (GOA) the revisions to Form 4473 that were proposed back in December of 2019 as part of the Paperwork Reduction Act, will pave the way for full gun-owner registration in the future.

GOA argues that by making the information more concise and consolidated, that future potential collection, digitization, and registration would be easier and thus more likely. The GOA released an official statement and call to action explaining their take on the changes. See below.

The ATF is proposing more revisions to the Form 4473—making your future firearm purchase and transfer information easier to retroactively compile into a gun or gun owner registry.

The revisions were first proposed on December 26th, 2019 when the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives announced in the Federal Register that it would be amending the Form 4473.

To be sure, this is an already unconstitutional form used to process NICS background checks before firearm purchases and some transfers.

Late December is reserved by the government for announcing sneaky, unconstitutional, and unpopular actions—like the Bump Stock Ban—while people are off work, at home, and spending time with their families for the holidays.

Disguised as mere compliance with the Paperwork Reduction Act, the ATF’s proposed amendments to the Form 4473 will record gun owners’ personal information on the same page as the firearm make, model, and serial number.

Consolidating this information onto one page could pave the way for a future anti-gun administration or bureaucrat to more easily scan or photograph these forms, which are retained by the gun dealer for ten years, and create a de facto registry of firearm owners and their purchased firearms in violation of two provisions of the Firearm Owners’ Protection Act.

In the past, GOA has received concerning allegations that ATF agents were copying Form 4473s at dealers places of business. Our concerns went inadequately answered.

Yet again, the ATF is furthering an anti-gun political agenda while they hope gun owners’ attention is elsewhere during the Coronavirus pandemic.

Hoping that the bureaucrats at the ATF were not ill-willed and would see the error of their ways, gun owners participated in the public process for the revision of forms and collection of information.

Unfortunately, the ATF decided to ignore gun owners’ concerns.

Now, a second and equally flawed draft has been proposed and gun owners have been given an additional opportunity to make public comment. We must remind the ATF of their duty to uphold the intent of the Firearm Owners’ Protection Act in prohibiting a firearm or gun owner registry with an additional 30-day comment period.


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Erich Pratt, or another GOA spokesman, is available for interviews. Gun Owners of America is a nonprofit lobbying organization dedicated to protecting the right to keep and bear arms without compromise. GOA represents over 1.5 million members and activists. For more information, visit GOA's Newsroom.

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uncle dudley
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uncle dudley

What ever happened to when you did a crime, was caught, you did your time to pay society for your bad deeds and you could go on with your life and still buy a gun if you wanted.
Politicians are to blame for all the BS with our current mess of laws.

TheRevelator
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TheRevelator

It Appears that @Will is now going around to other articles on ammoland, targeting my comments with his temper tantrum. 🙂

Poor guy. Cowardice at not being able to have a debate contingent on factual evidence, anger at people being allowed to practice their God given right to free speech when it counter acts what he wants to be said… How amazing it is to see someone of that advanced age act more like David Hogg and his little sister.. lol

nobodyuknow
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nobodyuknow

As Wayne Lapierre stated previously the Jack Booted Thugs are hard at work to strip every American citizen of their firearms. And they really do not care if they are violating every citizen’s constitutional rights or not! We are coming to the point of armed resistance in this country and that is going to be violent, bloody, and deadly as we resist our ROGUE GOVERNMENT!!!

TheRevelator
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TheRevelator

@nobodyuknow
It most likely will be… But do not forget that Wayne Lapierre has been in bed with that rogue government, and has worked hard to inflict violations against the constitution and second amendment. Those are some of the actions that have brought us to where we are today and Wayne Lapierre should not be absolved of guilt for his part in it, no matter what sound bites he offers up. Actions not words.

TheRevelator
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TheRevelator

In light of a certain individual who now cowers in fear at the prospect of replying to me directly, it should be pointed out once again that Donald Trump is not a pro second amendment president. The Second Amendment has never been an issue he has believed in strongly, and his views on it are subject to the winds of change. He has voiced support for it, yes this is true, but he has also engaged in actions which are either a threat to or a direct violation of the Second Amendment and the Constitution. Four factual examples were given… Read more »

TheRevelator
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TheRevelator

@Will As usual, you are unable to do anything other than personally attack others because you cannot out argue evidence. Or would you be willing to talk about the four points I brought up previously? 🙂 1. We knew the head of the ATF was anti-2nd Amendment and we wanted him gone. He saved his job by doing some serious butt kissing to Trump. (Remember White Paper?) 2. Donald Trump did advocate violating second amendment restrictions/protections and due process when he was voicing support for Red Flag practices. 3. Donald Trump violated Constitutional law when he ordered the Justice department… Read more »

TheRevelator
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TheRevelator

As per before. No replies outside of personal attacks, just a spammed downvote for each comment.

I told you Will, you are incapable of anything else. You cant argue facts or evidence, so you scream curses at people, you attempt to dismiss what are irrefutable facts, and then you run and hide while down voting because you are just so infuriated but there is nothing you can really say.

Opii
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Opii

I seriously don’t understand why AmmoLand promotes Trump.

Ansel Hazen
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Ansel Hazen

Opii, you probably don’t understand much of anything.

Opii
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Opii

Take the guns first, due process second- Donald Trump

Now we have his ATF working behind our back during an outbreak to just tweak an already unconstitutional law, without even allowing public comment.

Bet you thought it was totally fine for him to reinterpret and strengthen the NFA to include bump stocks.

Opii
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Opii

Take the guns first, due process second- Donald Trump

Now we have his ATF working behind our back during an outbreak to just tweak an already unconstitutional law, without even allowing public comment.

Bet you thought it was totally fine for him to reinterpret and strengthen the NFA to include bump stocks.

Dubi Loo
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Dubi Loo

There was a public comment period. I sent in my comments not too long ago. However, it’s painfully obvious many politicians and bureaucrats don’t give a rats ass what We The People have to say!

TheRevelator
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TheRevelator

@Dubi Loo
Yes. That was why there was reference to “Late December” being used to hide such actions.

They are currently doing a full court press because they think they can get it by without much pushback during the Wu-Flu.

Dubi Loo
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Dubi Loo

Exactly Rev! My comment was to point out that the previous post was wrong, there was a public comment period, BUT you had to be paying close attention to 2A issues to know that. We don’t need more disinformation floating around the issues we care deeply about.

TheRevelator
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TheRevelator

@Dubi Loo
However, I do understand that many people miss it. There is a lot out there. There are also some people who do intentionally work to keep information from being known.

I wont fault someone automatically for not knowing, but once they have been told it becomes a lie to try and further it.

Opii
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Opii

There WAS, and now its been reintroduced without one.

TheRevelator
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TheRevelator

@Ansel Hazen and @Will Opii brings up a valid point. Prior to Trump’s swearing in during January of 2017, the Second Amendment Community was talking about the possibility of eliminating the ATF as an unnecessary regulatory bureaucracy. So here are the relative points. 1. We knew the head of the ATF was anti-2nd Amendment and we wanted him gone. He saved his job by doing some serious butt kissing to Trump. (Remember White Paper?) 2. Donald Trump did advocate violating second amendment restrictions/protections and due process when he was voicing support for Red Flag practices. 3. Donald Trump violated Constitutional… Read more »

TheRevelator
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TheRevelator

Yep.. And looks like @Will didn’t have the balls to reply, so a downvoting he will go, downvoting he will go, High ho the dairy’O, a….. You get the picture. Points 1 through 4 are Facts, beyond any and all argument to the Contrary. They have been covered here at ammoland in the past, and there is no new information being snuck in within them that is unverified. For that reason, and because he has a direct problem with any criticism directed at the President based on his own opinions, @Will is completely incapable of having a fact/evidence based discussion… Read more »

TheRevelator
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TheRevelator

@Will No. 🙂 Just enjoying watching a grown(Supposedly) man throw a temper tantrum and having to attack others with downvotes when he can’t argue against what they say. You’ve been hanging onto this grudge for a while now.. Consider this a means of letting you know its time to grow up. (In the interest of full honesty and transparency, no you were not having a discussion with me simply because you have proven yourself incapable of doing so. That is why you have targeted the comments of those you cannot argue against and spam downvotes on everything. If you wanted… Read more »

TheRevelator
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TheRevelator

@PUD
Yes, its not hard when my replies generally come straight out of the Constitution and our founding Fathers own documents..

Then again, a real patriot would understand that. 🙂

Oh, by the way….. Little weaklings who scream “STFU” at me, don’t actually get me to shut up.

So which of the four points did you want to claim was wrong? That ammoland highlighted Bill Barr and his testimony during his approval hearings? Donald Trump claiming he gave the order for the unconstitutional work around Congress redefining legal definition? Or perhaps that he said “Take the guns first”?

Well?

TheRevelator
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TheRevelator

Hmmm… .Downvote, no reply..

🙂 Didn’t think so… You ran like that on your last name too. You scream, rant, and rage, but most of us recognize you as the yapping little chihuahua you are. All bark, no bite…

(For those in Texas: All hat, no cattle..)

TheRevelator
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TheRevelator

@PUD

Wow, completely expected! 🙂

Still hoping hurling insults will cover up your cowardice. So, still have your tail tucked between your legs over one itty bitty question. lol

nobodyuknow
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nobodyuknow

Opii . . . If you do not understand you truly are a LOST CHILD!!!

TheRevelator
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TheRevelator

@Will
How so? He put up some evidence of Donald trump’s actions against the second amendment, and wow….. Would you look at that…

It sure looks like @Will didn’t have the balls to respond or even discuss the issues behind those statements from Opii.

Kind of like how I pointed out you don’t actually want to talk about facts or evidence, you just want to attack and belittle someone in an attempt to discredit them. Except…. Without facts or evidence behind your statements the attempt is pretty much worthless… 🙂

TheRevelator
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TheRevelator

@Will

Ah, so you are now deciding who gets to talk here, who gets to participate.. How tyrannical and dictatorial of you. 🙂

Not surprising, as that was one of the points you originally got upset at me, for having the gall to defend the First Amendment while you were demanding its infringement.

TheRevelator
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TheRevelator

@Will
Except I’ve been commenting to you for over an hour now..

That’s kinda like sticking a knife in a tire and saying “I knew I had a flat!”

If you want to talk about morons, why have you been unable to address the facts Opii and I brought up? 🙂 Oh wait, you’re just doing exactly what I said was all that you could do.

Opii
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Opii

@will. If I were you, I’d want to resort to name calling too.

TheRevelator
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TheRevelator

@Opii
Sadly, it looks like his comments were removed. It also appears to be not limited to this page.

Not what I wanted to see, though he did put himself in the situation he was in by his own volition.

Opii
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Opii

1. We knew the head of the ATF was anti-2nd Amendment and we wanted him gone. He saved his job by doing some serious butt kissing to Trump. (Remember White Paper?) 2. Donald Trump did advocate violating second amendment restrictions/protections and due process when he was voicing support for Red Flag practices. 3. Donald Trump violated Constitutional law when he ordered the Justice department to rewrite existing legal definition as a means to sidestep Congress and impose a law with legal penalties on certain gun owners.(Bumpstocks) The Executive branch does not have the authority to create or alter laws. 4.… Read more »

TheRevelator
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TheRevelator

@Will Since I’m still here, and since you had no response after your last attempt at a “Gotcha” moment that failed wonderfully….. That wasn’t a question you asked Opii. That was an insult, an attempt to discredit his statement by creating the perception that he is crazy.. His response to you was to provide a statement of fact on an issue where the President showed he is not a Second Amendment supporter, an answer to which you had no response. Its also why at the mere mention of a factual evidence based debate you tuck tail and run, as fast… Read more »

Opii
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Opii

wait, you were serious about that?!?

Boomer
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Boomer

Well, still these articles fail to provide links to quickly and easily email your senators/representatives so I’ll just keep posting these for people who want to petition against this legislation.
Here are 2 easy, quick links to make your voice heard in opposition of these infringements.

ATF trying to facilitate gun registration

ATF to Disregard Gun Owner Input on Preventing Illegal Registration

God Bless!

Dubi Loo
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Dubi Loo

It’s pretty freakin easy: Go to https://gunowners.org/ on the right panel “Sign up for email alerts.” These emails have “Take Action” links that make it easy to tell your “Representatives” what you think. You don’t have to be a member, but then again why aren’t you?

Tionico
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Tionico

Short f trashing the entire 4473 form, the only modification I would accept would be to leave off ALL informaiton abut the GUN being purchased. This is suposed to be a background check for ME< the guy getting the gun. Am I legal/safe to own one? Yes, no. If yes, it matters naught WHAT GUN I am getting. If no, then no sale anyway so no form.

This has been a stab at registration from the git go.

Tionico
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Tionico

FFL’s are required to keep their forms and Bound Books for twenty years, and surrender them if they close before that.

American Patriot
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American Patriot

But if there’s a fire or flood…..Hmmmm

CourageousLion
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CourageousLion

Let’s put it this way…if they start confiscating firearms…there are many of us who are a hunting we will go. For ANYONE involved.

Ansel Hazen
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Ansel Hazen

in 1992 it was Rooftop Koreans. In 2020 it will be HANSOBS.

Some guy
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Some guy

The ATF are traitors, just like the FBI and CIA. You’ll all end up in camps, because you think you are going to protest and vote your way out of this. Your only choice now is do you die fighting, like an American, or do you shuffle onto the cattle car like a jew.

Ansel Hazen
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Ansel Hazen

My father, a LEGAL immigrant was rounded up by the nazi’s in German occupied WWII Holland and escaped both times. Anyone coming to my door to confiscate my guns will find out, as someone has previously said, how many Molon’s I’m gonna Labe.

JPM
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JPM

ATF doesn’t care. Regardless of input or even the law and the Constitution, they do whatever they want and NONE of them ever is held accountable for their actions by the Federal so-called, Justice System. Rogue agency doesn’t begin to describe them, and sadly, they aren’t the only one any more.

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uncle dudley
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uncle dudley

Maybe it’s time the ATF had an audit of their records to see what information they are retaining.

Ryben Flynn
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Ryben Flynn
Boomer
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Boomer

Awesome! I thought I was the only one posting take action links when these articles fail to! THANK YOU for being a proactive 2A supporter instead of just taking the “contact your sen/rep” that is all too common! GOD BLESS!

Hazcat
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Hazcat

GOA want to give us an email address or phone number? Also a reference to the proposal so we can site it?

Right now my email to [email protected] would read “Please don’t make changes to the 4473”.

I seriously doubt that will even make it there.

So HOW ABOUT SOME INFO in the article!

JDL
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JDL

The bill was already passed – the Paperwork Reduction Act – so that info is on the article. I agree, though, that this is just sitting by bitching about the ATF. Why can’t the GOA investigate the process required to change the form and inform us of the process and who we should contact. If they really want to be seen as a big time organization, they should have a page we could go to that provides sample letters and email links for sending the letters. This article just says that the GOA doesn’t like it, but doesn’t have a… Read more »

Deplorable Bill
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Deplorable Bill

Hitler did the same thing. He registered firearms “for a kinder, gentler nation.” He then had them confiscated. Nobody had means of opposing him as he dragged the entire world into the second world war. Between him and the rest of the socialist/communist/tyrannical rulers some 400 MILLION people lost their lives. Register your firearms at your own risk. RIGHTS are NOT among the things that can be regulated!

Arm up, carry on.

Wass
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Wass

Deplorable Bill, Germany had a well established registry of gun owners well before Hitler came to power in 1933. The Nazi regime simply used the already registered gun owners info to impose stricter regulation, ie. confiscation.

DonP
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DonP

And when the allies invaded, the registries made it easier to prevent guerrilla warfare by going down the list and confiscating the weapons.

Tionico
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Tionico

Hmmm. you musta read some fairy tales. Everything I’ve read had the alllies trying to arm the localcitizens, encouraging and even arming underground and guerilla resistance efforts, honouring and enabling exile governments….. anything to keep pressure on the nazis.

Finnky
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Finnky

@Wass – All the more reason to oppose even anything which could ever be used to assist formation of a registry – no matter how benevolent we consider the current administration.