Democrats Weaponize Chinese Virus to Advance Anti-Constitutional Agenda

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U.S.A.-(Ammoland.com)- “A scorpion, which cannot swim, asks a frog to carry it across a river on the frog’s back. The frog hesitates, afraid of being stung by the scorpion, but the scorpion argues that if it did that, they would both drown. The frog considers this argument sensible and agrees to transport the scorpion. Midway across the river, the scorpion stings the frog anyway, dooming them both. The dying frog asks the scorpion why it stung the frog despite knowing the consequence, to which the scorpion replies: “ ‘I couldn’t help it. It’s in my nature.’” The fable of the Scorpion and the Frog as posted in Wikipedia. A rendition of this fable, as delivered by the character played by the actor, Forest Whitaker, appeared in the 1992 thriller, the Crying Game that also starred Stephen Rea.

Americans have been carrying a scorpion on their back for decades but many do not know this. And, what is this scorpion? It is an amorphous collection of diabolical, amoral, ruthless, powerful interests bent on destroying the very fabric of our Nation: a free Constitutional Republic. These ruthless elements, adherents of the ideology of Collectivism, loathe the idea that in, our Nation, the American people are sovereign, not Government. The Collectivists routinely ignore the fact that the sovereignty of the American people is etched in stone—etched in that critical part of the U.S. Constitution referred to as the Bill of Rights.

The Bill of Rights is a codification of fundamental, immutable, unalienable rights that exist intrinsically in each American. These rights cannot be lawfully modified, ignored, or abrogated; ever. That some rights exist in man, beyond the lawful power of the State to modify, ignore, or abrogate, is repugnant to the Collectivists and always has been. They deem the American citizenry as pawns of the State. But, as long as our Constitution survives intact, the Collectivists cannot modify, ignore, or abrogate our fundamental rights. So, they are attempting to regulate those fundamental rights out of existence and to replace them with others: such as the fundamental right of a pregnant woman to murder her own child. See article on abortion posted in the Arbalest Quarrel on July 4, 2019.

While the nation-state still held a measure of utility to the Collectivists, decades ago, they stood back, patiently awaiting the day when they could proclaim the U.S. Constitution—the backbone of our nation-state—to be archaic, obsolete. Now these ruthless interests feel the very concept of ‘nation-state’ no longer has utility. So, these Collectivists are not standing back any longer. They are attacking the concept of the nation-state head-on. The U.S. Constitution that Collectivists claim to be a “living” Constitution—and by the term, ‘living’ Constitution they mean a Constitution subject to change in accordance with a changing world—is actually a “dead” Constitution; namely, a Constitution that has no further use in a one-world Collectivist State, in which vast populations are controlled and subjugated by a small ruling elite.

This scorpion on our back—the Collectivists comprising the Democrat Party Leadership along with other smug, sanctimonious Radical Left and New wave Progressive Left elements, pockmarked and permeating through business, government, academia, the entertainment establishment, and the Press—has been spreading their noxious, deadly poison for decades. Many Americans, perhaps most, haven’t been keenly aware of this because the insidious effort to overthrow of a free Constitutional Republic has, heretofore, taken place systematically, and quietly in the shadows; but, no longer, and the effects of the disassembling of a free Constitutional Republic is plain.

Americans have seen the erosion of their First Amendment freedom of speech and freedom of religion. They have seen more and more brazen attempts to weaken the Second Amendment right of the people to keep and bear arms to the point where exercise of it would be reduced to a nullity—this in spite of U.S. Supreme Court rulings in Heller and McDonald. They have seen the erosion of our fundamental Fourth Amendment right to be free from unreasonable searches and seizures as the surveillance State engages in the unconstitutional act of profiling every citizen and obtaining every iota of data on that citizen. Americans have seen a once mighty manufacturing base gutted and sent packing to China, along with the Nation’s technology, and our money. Americans have seen the Government waste trillions of dollars on foreign intrigues and escapades that serve to weaken our Nation’s security, rather than strengthening it. Americans have seen the Nation’s Southern border opened up to criminal cartels and to waves of discontented flotsam from other Countries whose governments are all too happy to rid themselves of the carrion that feeds on our own Government largess, only to leave our own people destitute. Americans have seen the Federal— really “Private”—Reserve engaging in unconventional monetary policies, doing what exactly? Operating for the benefit of average Americans or operating solely for the benefit of its own member banks and for multinational corporations, housed both here and abroad; leaving the Nation gutted of its wealth; laden with more and more debt.

Like a scorpion, the dangerous, ruthless forces here at home, that would crush our Nation and our people into submission as they thrust their vision of the world on all of us, seem oblivious to just how pernicious and damaging their Collectivist vision is for both our Country and our people. Either these abjectly ruthless forces are oblivious to the dangers they would dare inflict on our Nation and our people, or they simply don’t care.

The Collectivist Vision And The Threat Of Globalization

The impact of the Chinese Coronavirus on our people and our economy is horrific, but even as it devastates our Nation, the Collectivists in the Press and in Congress seek to use this pandemic to their advantage, against the President and, by extension, against the American people. Even as our economy suffers and as our people suffer, and as a seditious Press continues an unrelenting, remorseless attack on President Trump at the behest of the ruthless Collectivists, with whom the Press is in league, these Collectivists must realize that Americans are seeing the negative consequences of Globalization in a way they have never seen before. The viral pandemic is not, then, something that the Collectivists can effectively use to force their bizarre vision on our Country. The pandemic has demonstrated the danger of relying on other Nations to provide for our economic needs.

If our Nation’s medicines and medical equipment, and medical apparel were solely manufactured at home, as once was the case a half-century ago—before the vast majority of our manufacturing was handed over to Asia, particularly to China—China would not be able to threaten our healthcare system, as it is now. Breitbart reports:

“China could effectively shut down America’s healthcare system within months given the one-party state’s ‘global chokehold’ on the manufacturing of medicines and medical supplies, explained Rosemary Gibson, author of China Rx: Exposing the Risks of America’s Dependence on China for Medicine.”

It is ironic that China, the Nation that bears sole responsibility for unleashing this virus on our Nation and on the rest of the world, whether wittingly or not, could and would dare to choke the lifeblood out of us by denying us vital medicines and medical supplies. Such is the result of Globalization and our dependency on other Nations, even our enemies, to supply us with our basic needs.

We see that the instrumentality of ‘Globalization’ is vital to the realization of the Collectivist vision of a one-world government; heralding, indeed hastening, the end of independent, sovereign nation-states that have lost their self-reliance and resiliency precisely because of Globalization.

The website Investopedia, defines the word, thus:

“Globalization is the spread of products, technology, information, and jobs across national borders and cultures. In economic terms, it describes an interdependence of nations around the globe fostered through free trade.”

But Globalization involves something much more devious and insidious: the restructuring of the entirety of the social, political, economic, educational, legal, and cultural domain in which man lives.

An essayist, enamoured with globalization, posted an article in the Living Economies Forum, titled, “Globalization as a Natural Evolutionary Process.” The writer begins her essay with this:

“Globalization, from the perspective of an evolution biologist, is the natural, inevitable, and even desirable process by which humanity matures as a species, shifting from the competitive, acquisitive mode of a juvenile species to the cooperative, sharing mode of a mature species.

In any case, globalization is already well on its way and is not a reversible process. Some aspects of it beautifully demonstrate our ability to cooperate.”

Globalization is one of a handful of implements in the Collectivists’ toolkit they have utilized to engineer the destruction of independent nation-states, including our own. The phenomenon of globalization has become ubiquitous and may very well be impossible to curtail. Collectivists intend for globalization to usher in the New World Order. But, with a world-wide viral plague upon us, the inherent complexity, unwieldiness, and attendant deficiencies of globalization have been illuminated. Because of the viral pandemic, nations now realize they must regain and thenceforth retain economic self-sufficiency that globalization has harmed. So, even as the economic health of our Nation and that of other Western Nations has deteriorated, the realization that each Nation must once again relearn self-reliance and self-sufficiency may secure the survival of independent sovereign nation-states; much to the chagrin of the Collectivists.

In hindsight, then, the assertion that globalization is “natural, inevitable and, even desirable,” must invite incredulity and skepticism, not enthusiasm and trust, for Globalization is really none of those things.

Globalization is an artificial construct, not a biological necessity. It isn’t inevitable; and, while it may be desirable to some, i.e., a few wealthy, powerful trans-nationalist Collectivists who envision a one-world government that they alone preside over, such an eventuality would be a veritable Hell for everyone else.



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TheRevelator

Well, We had someone here today who wanted to discuss some ideas behind socialism, but more that he is a gun aficionado and it should be a unifying thing. The subject of the definition of Socialism came up, so I’d like to put the Definition here. A quick Search turned this up. SOCIALISM Noun 1. a political and economic theory of social organization which advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole. 2. policy or practice based on the political and economic theory of socialism. 3. (in Marxist… Read more »

Heed the Call-up

TheRev, it is quite amusing how that little -1 follows every post you make. Does that person really believe that makes any difference? Is that person so juvenile as to get some type of pleasure, enough to always follow your comments and “TD” it? That’s some mighty messed-up individual.

TheRevelator

@Heed the Call-up That’s exactly what makes me chuckle each time that individual does it. Pretty funny behavior for someone who is supposed to be twice my age. As far as their getting pleasure out of it, I don’t believe that is it.. More than likely it is done out of rage stemming from their own cowardice and inability to argue against me. From a psychological viewpoint it is actually a fairly common occurrence, and that would also explain why the downvote shows up no matter what I am saying but is instead tied to the fact that it is… Read more »

PMinFl

I don’t usually but I posted this essay on F/B. I hope I’m not out of line here ,I thought it is something to SHARE.

Dave in Fairfax

PMinFL, Before posting copyrighted material you should get the permission of the author. Since he’s an attorney, I highly recommend it. His website is listed.

F Riehl, Editor in Chief

Feel free to repost, just provide us back a link where folks can read more.

Dave in Fairfax

Thank you for the clarification.

TheRevelator

People will vote how they decide, not how others want to dictate. Whether or not that is for trump, a third party, or staying home is up to them.

Then again, there are those who melt at the thought of people exercising their right to association and conscience that way. 🙂

TheRevelator

Figured… Downvote, with no honest reply. Funny how those who want to dictate the rights of others know they cant win an argument and shut up right quick. 🙂

RoyD

I just want to thank my sixth grade teacher. This was 1966-67 in Fairbanks, Ak. He had us study Communism from Karl Marx to what was happening in 1966. And it was a deep dive into it. I tracked him down last year or maybe it was the year before. He said that after that school year he entered the Army and flew Huey’s in Vietnam for two tours. He then came back to Fairbanks and taught school again until he retired and moved to Arizona. So he put his money where his heart was. That didn’t surprise me one… Read more »

TurkeyNutz

The author is absolutely right about the dangers of globalization, but to suggest that it is being implemented solely by the Democrats is disingenuous, and to suggest that the left is responsible is just ridiculous. The fact is, we call so many Democrats, “neoliberals” (and the over half-century long war by the wealthy against the lower classes, “neoliberal globalization”) because these people have moved over to the RIGHT side of the political spectrum (It should also be noted that left vs. right only pertains to economics, not to authoritarianism or social liberty.) Your Republicans are just as adept (if not… Read more »

PMinFl

yes we should get out of our echo chambers and view the world in it’s mirror image.
Just watch msnbc.

TurkeyNutz

Ugh, I dunno…If you are going to watch MSNBC, make sure to remember that they are corporate MSM.

Heed the Call-up

That was his point.

TurkeyNutz

Hmm…down votes with no arguments to back them up. That just reeks of laziness and ignorance, folks. Truth hurts, I guess.

Heed the Call-up

TN, maybe because you have stated similar points previously that were responded to, and to post another rebuttal is a wasted effort. Therefore, the “TD” is just to acknowledge having read it, and not worth the time effort to rebut the same non-sense again. You mentioned a broken clock in another post. You seem to not get it is you that is the one with the wrong time. Unfortunately, your time is just off and never right twice per day.

TurkeyNutz

Uh, no, I only made a few other specific points in my response to StLPro2A, and arguments to neither post had been fully fleshed out by the time I posted about downvotes. I would think those who don’t get it are those who are unwilling to engage in any logical discussion.

Heed the Call-up

TN, neither am I requesting that I get any “credit”. I was only stating the reality. Few here will agree with your non-sense. Often times it is not worth the time and effort to engage those that post non-sense, as they are not actually wanting a real debate.

TurkeyNutz

You are right about engaging with people who post nonsense, but none of what I posted was nonsense, and I welcome debate.

Also note that I edited my post. I did not want to be rude. I saw after posting that you replied below with something of value.

Heed the Call-up

TN, not concerned about “rude comments”, it is typical in other forums where Leftists unite and attempt to squelch honest discourse by ad hominem attack. You began the “hyperbole” with your “broken clock” comment. I found the projection almost amusing. As many here can attest, I do engage in reasonable discussion with reasonable people. I do disagree with your distortion of word meanings and reality. but I know, evidenced on your prior posts, trying to engage in a debate refuting point-by-point is an act of futility. Hopefully you will gain enlightenment, but clearly I, nor likely any discussion here, will… Read more »

TurkeyNutz

I know enough about the founder’s intentions, writings, national history, etc. I have not distorted anything. The culture distorts things, as do dishonest people, and then rubes take it as gospel. I cannot help that. Feel free to downvote and call it a day if my position does not jibe with your version of reality.

TurkeyNutz

Oh, also wanted to mention that rudeness and flame wars are typical in all kinds of forums, whether they are populated by lefties or not. Do not pretend that we are the only ones capable of nastiness.

Heed the Call-up

TN, culture does not distort reality. You have a distorted vision of reality, unless you are being deceptive. And no, I will not “call it a day” if I disagree with your opinion. I will, as I have, post a rebuttal to your dishonest/naive comments. Yes, people on both sides can be rude to each other. However, as you can see here, you are receiving responses that are addressing your opinions. That would *never* and does not *ever* occur on sites infected by Leftists, if the person is not of their “feather”. They are incapable of tolerating differences of opinion,… Read more »

TurkeyNutz

Wow, heh, I don’t consider “Republican” or “Christian” to be very negative labels, but I also am neither. It is true that many of those folks (faux-progressives) claim to be open and tolerant, but pounce upon, berate, and belittle people who are not in lock-step with their narrative. For instance, try telling them that there is no such thing as transgender, because gender does not exist! It is not pretty. Don’t get me wrong, I think transgender people should be respected, and protected, but I don’t think the rest of the world should be required to make all sorts of… Read more »

Heed the Call-up

TN, it is when they falsely label someone, and use that assumption to launch ad hominem attacks. I will stop labeling your comments deceptive and naive when they stop being deceptive and/or naive. Your claims about the definition of liberal and Socialist/Socialism are false, and I will call you out on that.

TurkeyNutz

Haha, that’s actually a great name.

StLPro2A

A Government teacher relates the following after one of the recent Democratic Presidential Debates: I sat through the whole democratic debate tonight. I wasn’t sure I could do it but I assigned it to my government class so I knew I had to watch. Here is something to think about… Reminder of what Khrushchev said 60 years ago….”Your children’s children will live under communism. You Americans are so gullible. No, you won’t accept communism outright; but, we will keep feeding you small doses of socialism until you will finally wake up and find you already have Communism. We will not… Read more »

TurkeyNutz

Some issues here: Healthcare – Exorbitant health care costs drive people into poverty, and make for a less healthy, and in turn, weaker population. Please reconcile this. Education – Are you suggesting we eliminate the public school system? Please…it just needs to be reformed so that students are actually taught, especially to think critically, and not blindly indoctrinated with capitalist dogma. Teachers need not be afraid of teaching the truth without fear of reprimand (see for example Howard Zinn’s “A People’s History of the United States”). if you think they are teaching socialism, think again. Religion – Nonsense. I might… Read more »

Wild Bill

@TN, Competition drives down the cost of health care, not government choosing winners and losers. Regarding education: …it just needs to be reformed so that students are actually taught, especially to think critically, and not blindly indoctrinated with LIBTARD dogma. There I fixed it for you.
Re Religion: I don’t care what you believe, and don’t use government to force religion on you. Why are you libtards using government to extinguish my beliefs?
Class warfare: You know nothing of war, prosperity, inventiveness, handwork, or reality. You are an agitprop.

TheRevelator


Agreed.

TurkeyNutz

Rev, who is downvoting you? You may not agree with me, but I have actually voted up a few of your comments, and I didn’t vote for this one at all. You seem like one of the more sensible people in the room, which makes for a trend here…

TheRevelator

@TurkeyNutz I will try to lay out exactly what has caused this as accurately as I can. It’s an individual who supposedly is over twice my age, yet seems intent on acting as though he hasn’t made it out of kindergarten. Last year there was a time when he loved my posts because We had some paid trolls from the left showing up and they had no way to deal with me because of how I argue and present evidence. Then this individual began advocating violating the rights of others and I called him out for the hypocrisy. Because they… Read more »

TurkeyNutz

I gotcha. I know it is tough, if not impossible, to shake ones reputation once one has been bad-jacketed.

Heed the Call-up

TheRev has a very good reputation here. He is always very precise in his thoughts, well-written, intelligent, and very Constitutionally-minded.

TheRevelator

@Heed the Call-up
Thanks, and yes.. A 5 year track record at ammoland isn’t something that can be threatened or ruined by an offended individual who cant even reply to what I write anymore. lol

Removing the negative he put on your comment though. 🙂

TheRevelator


As Heed the Call-up noted, it wasn’t my rep that took a hit.. 🙂

I shared something with someone else recently. “How to never be wrong when you argue.” It consisted of

1. Never argue an opinion.
2. Always argue based on history and evidence.
3. When you don’t like what the evidence shows, agree with it anyway.

They got upset at me for it, and tried to tell me I was acting Superior. It’s not, it was just being as simple as Jack Webb made it when he played Joe Friday.. Stick to “Just the facts.”

TurkeyNutz

Bill, first off, I am not a liberal. In fact, I resent the implication. Now, to your assertions: If competition drives down the cost of health care, then why is the cost so astronomically high in this country? Winners and losers? What are you talking about? This just doesn’t make sense. Yes, liberal dogma IS indeed being perpetuated in education. Worse yet, it is neoliberal dogma, which puts owners above workers, and capital above common sense. Young people are also being taught that identity politics are meaningful and important, and that gender is a real thing. It is disgusting. At… Read more »

Wild Bill

@TN, I never imply. I stated clearly that you are an agitprop. Second, in answer to your question: Costs are high because the government and the AMA do not allow real competition. Third, when government makes artificial rules, then some companies win and some companies lose. Artificial rules squelch competition. Fourth, it makes no sense to you because you have only been exposed to liberal dogma that supports government control of business. The only real way to understand artificial government rules is to start a business. Fifth, you have it backwards. Government does try to extinguish all religious beliefs. Please… Read more »

TurkeyNutz

“I stated clearly that you are an agitprop.” OK, then you are wrong. Simple. Single-payer healthcare does not equate to government control of the medical industry. It amounts to government-sponsored insurance, and it does NOT necessitate the elimination of private option. Nationalizing industries is different, and most often quite undesirable. You are making an incorrect conflation. The decisions in Everson and McCallum went down as they should. It seems you are the one who has it backwards. Of course, being a Christian, you are likely inclined to interpret the Establishment Clause differently, but again, preserving a secular State in no… Read more »

Heed the Call-up

Tn, your clock is not broken, it is just showing the wrong time.

TurkeyNutz

OK, the hyperbole is getting cumbersome…

Heed the Call-up

TN, only to the encumbered that use it, such as TN.

TheRevelator

@TurkeyNutz Wild Bill’s original reply contained the answer, though the personal attack he leveled on you instantly put a wall between you. Perhaps I can explain it in a better, gentler way. I’ll start off with a quote from you, and then explain where the mistake occurred and why Wild Bill is going after you. “Single-payer healthcare does not equate to government control of the medical industry. It amounts to government-sponsored insurance, and it does NOT necessitate the elimination of private option.” Ok, first Single Payer means exactly what it describes, one single payer for all health insurance. In the… Read more »

TurkeyNutz

Thank you, Rev, for posting a well-informed and coherent reply. For what it’s worth, I don’t really feel like there is a wall between Bill and I. He may have called me a libtard, but that’s not as insulting as it is silly, and at least he has enough respect for me to address some of my arguments. With regard to healthcare, I will admit to a degree of ignorance about different options for publicly-sponsored systems. When you get into it, it’s easy to see why some countries have gone for systems which are not strictly single-payer. My original point… Read more »

TheRevelator

@TurkeyNutz Now, You got a few points correct with this statement, as well as a few things wrong. Lets start with something correct. “If taxes for publicly-funded healthcare are slavery, then so are taxes for the enforcement of unjust policy, including the perpetuation of the failed drug war.” Guess what… You’re right. Confiscatory taxes through income are wrong, and I have argued that on many occasions. Its the same position I hold on Government dolling out money as subsidies. Our Government does not have the constitutional authority to pick winners or prop up losers using money confiscated from some individuals… Read more »

TurkeyNutz

OK, this is pretty good stuff, Rev…but it’s long, so I’ll just try to hit the bullet points: I have been fundamentally averse to income tax, too, for as long as I can remember. Since we are used to it now, though, I would be OK with a progressive tax system in which everybody pays something, with many more brackets. A tax system based on land ownership seems great in theory. I would also add corporate/commercial tax, but regardless of how the government gets the money, the most important thing is to ensure that it is not squandered. Forgive me… Read more »

TheRevelator

@TurkeyNutz There is a problem with what you just wrote. We already have a “Progressive” tax structure. It doesn’t work, and widening the “Brackets” wont fix it. If you want people who make more to have to pay more under an income tax, then a flat tax is the way to go, not a progressive tax system. At a 10% flat tax 1. A person who makes 10K a year pays 1,000 dollars. 2. A person who makes 1 Million pays 100K dollars. That is the only way to make a fair tax system based on income. It insures that… Read more »

Wild Bill

@Rev, Man, I admire your patiences.

TheRevelator

@Wild Bill
It does has its benefits. Thanks.

TurkeyNutz

Rev, it has become quite tiresome to have my words twisted around so consistently. I am not even going to bother counting the strawmen in your last response, or to try refuting what you have said on a point-by-point basis, as I have neither the time nor energy to engage in exercises of futility…and to think that I am the one being accused of deflection and misdirection… Yeesh. If you and the others here refuse to honour that which I have actually said, as I do for you, then it is pointless. If you like, you can assume you have… Read more »

TheRevelator

@TurkeyNutz First of all, I’m not twisting anything you said. I’m just breaking down what you wrote and explaining why it doesn’t match factual evidence. “If you and the others here refuse to honour that which I have actually said, as I do for you, then it is pointless. ” My responses have been kept extremely reserved and polite towards you, and I have stuck to subjects which you have written about on this page. You have written to others prior to, and then to myself concerning the definition of socialism. I gave you the actual definition. You wanted to… Read more »

TheRevelator

Now, since it was admitted that I put up the actual definition of Socialism, there was a statement made that it did not contain the word of “Government” in any form.. That is why I also cited in that comment on definition Merriam Webster as a site with a slightly different wording. Here is definition number one as follows. 1: any of various economic and political theories advocating collective or governmental ownership and administration of the means of production and distribution of goods. (https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/socialism) Please note the use of the word “Governmental” in regards to ownership. That is why I… Read more »

TheRevelator

@TurkeyNutz Now this is the part you are really not going to like… “If you like, you can assume you have won the debate. I don’t really care, because no argument can actually be won on the basis of intellectual dishonesty.” Ok, now you are wanting to run away but save face. As such, you are now falling into a pattern called the three D’s. The three D’s 1. Dismiss/Deny 2. Distract 3. Destroy/Discredit You attempted to deny for example the definition of Socialism, which was followed by a distraction from what I had written about Lenin by going past… Read more »

TurkeyNutz

Yup, you’re still dodging and deflecting, and it has become pretty funny now. The “direct quotes” you have mentioned only confirm that my words have been misconstrued. I know that often people only see what they want to see, and hear what they want to hear, and I know that not everyone has the same capacity to use and understand language (even their native language), so I can chalk some of it up to misunderstanding…but not all of it. Some of it is clearly intentional. It is also readily apparent from your tone and the sheer volume of your verbiage… Read more »

TheRevelator


Ok, Now you are projecting. You are lying outright.

Its also why you have not specifically cited any direct quotes from me, as if you try to change the words or the meaning it would be more evidence against you.

TurkeyNutz

By the way, I never said I didn’t want to talk about anything. I stated that those subjects were not part of my initial purpose in commenting on this article (which still has not really been discussed). In fact, I did talk about those things at some length, but I am not going to go on forever, especially when the argument is being purposefully slanted and key facts are being ignored. Oh, and you put in quotes something I never even said, but yet here you are claiming that you are not twisting my words. What would you call it,… Read more »

TheRevelator

@TurkeyNutz “but I am not going to go on forever, especially when the argument is being purposefully slanted and key facts are being ignored.” Well, it would help if you stopped slanting and ignoring facts when they are presented wouldn’t it? What you have been doing is citing your opinion, and your opinion is not fact. It’s as simple as that. You have introduced on a few occasions now the complaint that you didn’t come here to talk about the other subjects. You seem to be trying to use that to straddle both sides of the fence. Now, Would you… Read more »

TurkeyNutz

Also… “Thanks for the discussion” was actually honest gratitude. You are chastising me for suggesting that you are being naive and intellectually dishonest, but have levied your share of insults and are basically assuming the worst of me. At this point, we owe each other nothing.

Heed the Call-up

TN, you are the one being dishonest, though not intellectually, and possibly naive. We don’t think the worst of you, we only base our conclusions on your dishonest, ignorant, and naive statements. So, no, you “owe” us nothing, except an apology for having to read your non-sense.

TheRevelator

@TN
I merely examined your actions, and then compared them with your words and presented evidence which disprove them.. If you took that as insulting, then that is on you.

Any dishonesty here began when you didn’t like factual evidence showing what you said was incorrect, and you started trying to call people dishonest for agreeing with evidence instead of your opinion.

TheRevelator


PS~ No, I’m not a Right Libertarian. The closest applicable definition for me is a “Consitutional Anarchist”, not to be confused with anarchy.. Just that we have a basic set of rules with the smallest level of Government needed to ensure individual rights are safeguarded.

Dave in Fairfax

`Rev, Thanks once again for an excellent treatise. THIS is what makes this such a terrific forum, the reasoned exchange of facts and conclusions without rancor.

Thanks also for a term I’ve been searching for for literally years. I’m ripping you off for the Constitutional Anarchist label. Constitutional Originalist and Small government have been my go-to terms but neither really express the view properly. This is much closer.

We ever meet, Your beer/bourbon/whatever is on me.

TheRevelator

in Fairfax
“I’m ripping you off for the Constitutional Anarchist label. ”

No problem there man. Originalism is part of that definition, so feel free to spread and grow it as long as those you teach understand that it is different from anarchy. (Pulling the negative off your comment as well.)

Dave in Fairfax

Rev, Absolutely. The difference is critical. NO government is a pipe dream. There is always some sort of government even if it is naked brute force. The idea is to keep it on a short leash and feed it as little as possible.
I got your down-vote in return. %-)
There are people who have nothing to say and only snipe.

TurkeyNutz

“NO government is a pipe dream. There is always some sort of government even if it is naked brute force. The idea is to keep it on a short leash and feed it as little as possible.” This is exactly the point I have been trying to make with regard to health versus things like the drug war and astronomical military expenditure. I come across a LOT of right-oriented folks who are apt to hoot and holler about the potential for one, but say nothing about the others, which are already in practice. To their credit, most right libertarians would… Read more »

TheRevelator

@TurkeyNutz You’re attacking Dave for all the wrong reasons. That quote was on Anarchy. Both Dave and I have already made the distinction that Government must stick to what it is chartered to do in the Constitution and nothing more(That also means Government cannot dictate healthcare, unfortunately for you). It’s something we have not changed our views or our words on, and our actions have been made to match them. Now you are insinuating hypocrisy where there is none. There are plenty of other targets on Ammoland where such a claim might work, but at this time it doesn’t. You… Read more »

TurkeyNutz

You are a constitutional anarchist, not to be confused with an anarchist? I think you are confusing “anarchy” with “chaos,” which is a common mistake.

Heed the Call-up

TN, and you are confusing reality with where you are.

TurkeyNutz

LoL…apparently, Heed, you never tire of repeating yourself. At least Rev is capable of some degree of originality, even though he likes to hump some tired, cookie-cutter right libertarian arguments. Was it you who mentioned the left and talking points? Talking points are things you talk about. I think what you meant was propaganda, and make no mistake, anarcho-capitalists are as capable of it as anyone.

Heed the Call-up

TN, and where have I repeated myself? You seem to never tire being stupid and wrong. I may have explained the same ideas, but I have not repeated myself. However, unlike you, I have not tried to change meanings of words and ideas to suit one’s opinions, that is under the assumption that the non-sense you have posted is actually your own.

TheRevelator

@Heed, funny how he never got back to you or to me on our requests for evidence.

TheRevelator

@TurkeyMutz Since you need it explained, Anarchy is a state in which it is every man for himself.. The definition applied to Constitutional Anarchy is the recognition that a small amount of government is needed for the purpose of protecting unalienable rights, and to that end only the strictest margin of Government should be maintained so as not to become a hindrance to those individual rights. Again you are trying to redefine a term, this time “Anarchy” instead of socialism. Second under the first definition according to Merriam Webster, “a state of lawlessness or political disorder due to the absence… Read more »

Finnky

@WB – Due to special nature of medical care, the government does have a role in mediating competition. IF one has insurance, the insurance company negotiates with providers before you need them. If one doesn’t have insurance and needs care it’s is generally difficult to determine what care will cost and few negotiate ahead of time. Providers simply bill whatever they want after you’ve already used their services. Government could put limits on charges, which they do for Medicare, but that is overly intrusive and dictatorial. Government can, and does, require fee disclosures and publish relative cost and quality information.… Read more »

Wild Bill

@Finnky, The notion that the nature of some service gives government powers or authorities is ridiculous. All of a sudden everything would be “special” and the federal government would claim all power and authority
The Constitution gives the federal government some powers or authorities. Other police powers are reserved to the states. And that is undisputed.

PMinFl

Who let this guy in?

TurkeyNutz

PM, far as I can see to this point, this is a free country and a free forum. I have not violated any policies. I am here to show you, and others, that gun rights can be a unifying issue in this country, rather than a dividing one.

God forbid someone with dissenting opinions should come in and disrupt your safe space, huh? Who are the snowflakes, again?

Wild Bill

, if you are referencing TN, well … I think that the young person just needs guidance. I am going to cut him a little slack, for now. But, I have been wrong before.

Dave in Fairfax

PMinFL, The 1st Amendment and the pre-existing right of free speech let him in. You may not agree with him, but he has the right to say what he thinks. If you disagree, refute his points, don’t try to silence him. It is beneath a true Constitutionalist.

TurkeyNutz

Thank you, Dave. Desires and attempts to silence dissent are hallmarks of tyrants, whether they be fascists, state Communists, or any other totalitarian authoritarian.

TheRevelator

@wjd “I’m one of those people who believe in the Constitution as written. But there’s a problem with that too. ” If only your actions matched your words. The bill of Rights and the Constitution were plainly written, and our Founding Fathers wrote a lot of backup to explain their intentions.. The only “Interpretation” is made by those seeking a way to get around what is clearly stated in the Constitution. The Supreme Court is a good example. Their Agreement means nothing. What’s in the Constitution is in the Constitution as written, whether the Supreme court agrees with it or… Read more »

TheRevelator

in Fairfax
Have to say, you’re one of the best here my friend. Thank you for practicing consistency for so long, even though it has not been popular.

Dave in Fairfax

Rev, Aw shucks, and my wife just says I’m hard headed.
Seriously though, if we pick and choose what parts we like the entirety of the Constitution is endangered. ALL of the BoR is sacrosanct, whether you believe in God or not. There are lots of things that are said that I disagree with, some vehemently, but that doesn’t give me, or anyone else, the authority to silence them. The concept of “Hate Speech” is utterly foreign to our Supreme Law of the Land.

TheRevelator

@Dave in Fairfax Yep. Not just foreign but antithetical to it. The reason we have a first amendment was so people couldn’t start defining the speech of others as hateful or bad for the purposes of restricting it. From the beginning the limitations to speech were that any opinion can be spoken, but making claims against another individual must be true and they must have evidence to back them up. A month or so back I had to explain the difference to an individual here. That was the only limitation our Founding fathers built into the right of free speech,… Read more »

Dave in Fairfax

Rev, Peter Zenger thanks you for pointing that out, once again.

RJL

It is time to end the social/democratic/communist Cabal in all 50 States…

gooder12

Sorry Folks but I don’t much care for the right or the left. I have been that way since I had a draft # of 252 to Nam, and I got the right to vote and drink 3.2 Beer legally in SD that same year. I have been shooting for over 55 years, and The NRA Attracked me into the shooting sports when I was 12. Yet I have never voted a straight ticket in 50 years of voting as I vote for the person or the issue and never for a party or gang as I call em. The… Read more »

CommonSense4America

I agree, vote for the person, not the party. However,,,I’ve NEVER agreed with a Liberal Democrat.

TurkeyNutz

Now here is a fella with some sense. Thank you, sir.

Wild Bill

@nutz, Gooder is a known propagandist, and used to use a different name. You might be on the same payroll, one of his other names, or a propagandist for another government, but you are a propagandist.

TurkeyNutz

Funny, for a propagandist, he makes a lot of sense. Unfortunately, many people are much quicker to accuse others of being shills and propagandists than they are to reconsider some of the things they have been taught.

If gooder is a plant, who is benefiting from his posts if he is telling us that he never votes a straight party ticket, and advising us to free our minds? Who is paying him? For that matter, who is paying me? I would like to hear some theories if you are going to lodge accusations.

Wild Bill

@TN, The Hillary Campaign was the first to admit hiring propagandists to make conservatives and constitutionalists feel isolated and alone. Since that admission, it has come out that Soros and Bloomberg sub-organizations are paying people to infiltrate conservative sites with liberal, socialist dogma. Additionally the U.S. intel apparatus has revealed that the Russians, Chinese, and North Koreans regularly hire Americans to spread misinformation on the internet. All of the previously mentioned would benefit and pay for the effort. We, on this site, keep track of the trolls and what they say. You are about to encounter a very learned, astute,… Read more »

TurkeyNutz

Bill, I can appreciate all of that, but those are not theories. Those are prior examples of misinformation campaigns conducted for the benefit of agencies or politicians. In fact, my rhetoric serves no benefit to Russians, Chinese, or establishment Democrats, who tend to be globalist liberal dirtbags. I am not trying to make conservatives feel isolated, or alone. Actually, I sympathize with them on many issues. Besides, forums like this should show them straight away that they are in good company. I may be a socialist, but I am not a liberal, and I am not trying to sow discord,… Read more »

Finnky

@Gooder – Until Robert o’Rourke ran for TX senate I had never hit straight ticket vote. I continue to examine every candidate and issue individually, however virtually every demo candidate seemed to agree with Robby – making them extremely unacceptable.
My upbringing was considerably more progressive than yours, and I remain both liberal and conservative. As such cannot support either Liberals or Conservatives as neither name accurately represents their positions (particularly the first). My belief in individual liberty makes it unlikely I will ever again vote for a Liberal candidate.

Heed the Call-up

Finnky, the first step in liberty is freeing your mind. Stop using the Leftists and media’s code words and begin using the more accurate terms. Self-named “Liberals” as you pointed out do not believe in freedom and liberty and are more appropriately labeled Leftists (as it is difficult at times to determine if they are Communists or Socialists). They are Left-politically to traditional Democrats, so we cannot accurately use that label (Democrat). As to Conservatives, I am not sure who is a Conservative that you believe is something other than that. The only example I can arrive at is when… Read more »

TurkeyNutz

I wanted to thumb up your post, but it contains some incorrect information. For correction, liberals really have nothing to do with leftists. Leftists have the capacity to honor individual sovereignty and the right to self defense. This is why many of them support gun rights. For example, there are actually socialist gun clubs. Liberals do not have this capacity. Left economics have nothing to do with one’s concern for social liberty, responsibility, or individual sovereignty.

TurkeyNutz

It should be noted that modern liberalism and neoliberalism are not the same as classical or traditional liberalism. This certainly can be a source of confusion.

Heed the Call-up

TN, that is what I stated. The Leftists and media use the term liberal for who are really Leftists. There is no source of confusion, except for the confusion the Leftist try to create by co-opting terms. And is why we need to stop using their terminology, it confuses the ignorant. Your claim that “neo” or “modern” liberal somehow means exactly the opposite of Liberal is an example of that. Leftists do not support firearm rights, they revile the RKBA. They believe only the government should have arms. Our Founding Fathers certainly did not believe that – their speeches and… Read more »

TurkeyNutz

No, sir, you stated it backwards. To put it simply, “liberal” should carry a negative connotation. “Leftist” should not. Yes, the term “liberal” has been co-opted. That is why there is now a distinction between modern and classical liberals. I never said that “liberal” indicates the opposite of modern liberalism. Read again. The term “liberal” as it is used today, is SYNONYMOUS with modern liberalism, hence the terminology.

Leftism applies to economics only, and again, is no measure of one’s position on gun rights, individual sovereignty, etc.

Heed the Call-up

TN, you are engaging in deflection and obfuscation. No, Leftism does not only apply to economics, it is a political ideology. No, the self-named liberals of today do not believe in Liberty and Freedom, they are Leftists co-opting the word. And that is exactly why we should not use the term Liberal when we mean Leftist. We have to take back the narrative. Leftists believe the RKBA only applies to the government and those the government anoints, ala Bloomberg. So now you are claiming that Socialists do not believe in government control? Isn’t that one of the qualities of Socialism,… Read more »

TurkeyNutz

Heed, be cautious not to conflate socialism as an economic philosophy with state communism. Sure, some regulation is necessary to protect workers and the environment, and to prevent the wealthy from owning everything, but there are such things as anarcho-socialism, and even anarcho-communism. This does not reconcile with the idea of government control. Marx, for example, believed in a classless, stateless society. …and you are just plain wrong about leftism versus liberalism. Just because Rush Limbaugh or Mark Levin or Bill O’Reilly or any other misinformed or misleading goof uses the term “leftism” to describe modern liberalism or faux-progressivism doesn’t… Read more »

Heed the Call-up

TN, I have no knowledge of what Limbaugh or O’Reilly have to say about Leftists. My knowledge comes from reading posts of Leftists in this forum and many other sites. The fact that you are using those people to assume my position is further proof of my claim about you. You have your “talking points”, and everyone else is wrong. Neither did I state that Socialism is Communism, nor that all Leftists are Communists, nor did I equate Socialism with “state communism”. You are actively deflecting and twisting, and attempting to claim new meaning to words and implying something I… Read more »

TheRevelator

@TurkeyNutz “Heed, be cautious not to conflate socialism as an economic philosophy with state communism” Except That is exactly what Socialism is… It is “State Communism” that is often conflated with Socialism. China,, Venezuela, North Korea(Currently), the USSR, and Nazi Germany were/are Socialist nations. Socialism as it refers to Governmental administration was a term created by Lenin to use when speaking to those wary or fearful of “Communism” Lenin furthered his own interpretation of Marx based on his own thought that True Communism is where the people themselves rule themselves as a group independent of Government, but because they do… Read more »

TurkeyNutz

To Heed and Rev, I guess we are at an impasse on this issue. If we can’t agree on definitions, then any further discussion is fruitless. Heed, I am being accused of twisting and obfuscating, but I am not the one doing it. Talk about projection. Not all liberals are leftists, and not all leftists are liberals, but that obviously does not concern you. For what it’s worth, I don’t blame you, but your (lack of) understanding. …and there are faux-progressives (which are indeed, regressive), and there are true progressives. Most of the folks here are unable to make the… Read more »

Heed the Call-up

TN, no liberals are Leftists – by definition, that being liberals believe in freedom and liberty, and Leftists believe in government control – preventing freedom and liberty. The meanings are wrote.

Your feeble attempts at deception and changing meanings to suit your position is what we are discussing. And now you attempt to claim I am the one that lacks understanding. I full-well understand your deception. You are pouting because we will not accede to your feeble attempts at deception.

TurkeyNutz

Heed, no pouting, just a bit of frustration about being unable to get a fairly simple point across, especially without being accused of willful deception. However, I agree with Finnky, so I shall cease trying to clarify semantics. Cheers

TheRevelator

@TurkeyNutz The problem with Definitions is that some people try to redefine to fit an argument. In the case of Socialism, it was a term made from the start as a Redefinition. As a prime example, a friend of mine I graduated with recently tried to have a discussion with me about Socialism. He claimed that since we have public servant jobs like Firefighters and Police, it meant we live in a socialist country… He confused and substituted the definition for Social Contract with Socialism. Whether as an Impasse or not, We have a Constitution which is the supreme law… Read more »

TurkeyNutz

Rev, it is unfortunate to see someone as seemingly intelligent as yourself repeat such glaring misconceptions about socialism. One thing you said is absolutely true: There has never been a country which was truly communist…though there have been functioning anarchist societies which probably came close.

TheRevelator

@TurkeyNutz They are not misconceptions, they are historical facts. Currently we have one of the best living documentaries going on showcasing exactly how true Socialism works when a country implements it to the letter. Venezuela… Now, you can disagree that that is the case, you can disagree that Socialism isn’t about Government dictatorial control over production whether by ownership or top down regulation, but at the end of the day that is what Socialism is. It would then be more accurate for you to say that you favor social programs than to try and change what the actual definition of… Read more »

Finnky

@TN – Far to much focus on what you mean by particular terms. Politicians love terms lacking universal hard meanings. They toss these terms out as advertising to their base, while using “opposite” terms to define their opposition. Meanwhile neither side actually defines their position on anything. Like most my first impression is colored, such as when Bernie says he’s a socialist, but I always try to drill down for hard policy positions. If they do not clearly enunciate their position I assume either they cannot or they are hiding something – making them either incompetent at core duty of… Read more »

TurkeyNutz

You are right, Finnky. I mean, the varying terms exist for a reason, and they do have real meanings, but I suppose they do muddy things up a bit for folks who are not able to put in the time and effort to understand it all, which is most people. Thanks, respect.

Heed the Call-up

Finnky, words do have meanings, regardless of whether or not someone tries to re-define them or confuse the gullible and ignorant. That is how we got to the PC non-sense, such as not using “retarded”, even though it was still the medical term for someone with that quality. Homosexuals misappropriated the word “gay”, but I don’t know of any “happy” homosexuals. Numerous other topics became “non-PC”, and open discussion became taboo. In politics the Leftists, who at the time were mostly Communists began using the words “Progressive” and “Liberal” to mask their Leftist bent. As to discussing “social/economic”, that is… Read more »

TurkeyNutz

Will, once AGAIN, I am not a dammed liberal, or a troll for that matter. Unfortunately, willfully ignorant troglodytes like yourself will never get certain distinctions through your thick skulls, and will just continue to hurl imbecilic wannabe insults at people who dare to disrupt your circle jerk. Sorry I infiltrated your safe space, cupcake, but I ain’t going anywhere willfully. Who is the snowflake?

TurkeyNutz

That’s OK. That is your choice, and I only decided to be rude to you because I believe in reciprocity. Not that you care, of course.

Heed the Call-up

TN, that is correct, you are not a liberal, you are a Leftist. Let’s start using the proper terminology. We don’t want you to go away. Sometimes shooting the proverbial side of the barn can offer idle amusement.

RoyD

Nutz: You said, “Sorry I infiltrated your safe space, cupcake, but I ain’t going anywhere willfully.”
Wrong, “cupcake”, the words you “willfully” write are and will find you somewhere else, sooner or later. Don’t sweat it though, it’s not that big a deal. I myself have been banned from two sites in the last ten years.

TurkeyNutz

Oldvet, care to actually respond with something of substance?

hoss

The Democrats, aka Commie Rat Bastards, are, and have been in cahoots with China for years. Biden, and his siblings, and children have long benefited from the generosity of the communist government for years, and my guess is that other Democratic politicians along with some Republicans are involved with the Chinese as well. All that is needed is to follow the money.

JIAZ

The Democratic-Socialist Party views the Constitution, the Bill Of Rights, the Supreme Court, and the Electoral College as obstacles to advancing their ideology driven agenda to create chaos/seize power. “Democratic Governor Phil Murphy admitted Wednesday that he ignored citizens’ constitutional rights when signing off on an executive order.” Tucker Carlson: “The Bill of Rights as you well know protects Americans’ right, enshrines their right to practice their religion as they see fit and to congregate together to assemble peacefully. By what authority did you nullify the Bill of Rights in issuing this order?” Governor Phil Murphy: ““That’s above my pay… Read more »

JIAZ

What’s next, government mandated forearm tattoos?

“In what might be one of the most over-the-top and draconian responses to coronavirus yet seen in Montana, Valley County is mandating that people wear government-issued pink arm bands to purchase products inside of stores.”

https://montanadailygazette.com/2020/04/14/montana-county-demands-people-wear-government-issued-arm-bands-to-do-business/?fbclid=IwAR3qtkGEEwWpVtFu7C_XwNDC58uCmC6jZsuiMvcJmHMWAX23-5_TFQW2Jf8

Wild Bill

A county in Montana?! Interfering with intrastate and interstate commerce?! Identify the county official and disappear him.

Heed the Call-up

Well, at least the link you provided also stated the policy was rescinded. One question I have, are the counties so depopulated or heterogeneous that everyone knows that a person is not from that county?

Where I grew-up, it was usually apparent just by dress that one was not from the area, and quite obvious once he/she spoke, but where I live now is so diverse that isn’t true.

Green Mtn. Boy

Instead of banning everything American,why not ban something very un American,the Commicrat party as is is antithetical to the Constitution and the Republic.

TheRevelator

@Green Mtn. Boy Because as noble as the goals of such an idea sounds, the act of banning free thought, free speech, and freedom of association is actually un American itself, and also antithetical to the Constitution. I have no doubt there will be some here too afraid to openly make themselves known or debate me on this GMB, and they will be downvoting me in anger. I trust that you understand this comment was not made to attack you, but to reiterate the importance of not violating our Constitution in the same way those who want to ban American… Read more »

Green Mtn. Boy

Rev

I knew that although the thought of turning their game around on them once in a while crosses ones mind.

TheRevelator

@Green Mtn. Boy

Indeed, the thoughts are often tempting. If it were easy to do the right thing all the time then principles, integrity, honesty, and honor would mean very little. At times half the battle is recognizing temptation for what it is when it is trying to coerce us into doing what is wrong for the sake of, as @Wild Bill noted, “Good intentions”.

Wild Bill

@Rev, Yes, it is the tyranny of good intentions.

TheRevelator

@Wild Bill
That is very much what I had in mind. For the relevant Scriptural verse, Romans chapter 3, verse 1-20 (In particular verse 7 especially)

StLPro2A

Ironically, the very freedoms that make America uniquely great are the same freedoms that are being used to destroy those freedoms. As Mao observed, all power comes from the barrel of a gun……the cartridge box in the trilogy of Soap Box/Ballot Box/Cartridge Box. Stalin observed….Give me the children and I will transform the country. Thank you Jimmy Carter’s Dept of Indoctrination…er, I mean Education. Freedom is never won…only lost…..at the ballot box. Democrats are actively working on this concept via “No Voter ID” and using COVID-19 to push “Mail In Ballots”……to support Democrats old voter fraud schemes. President Johnson first… Read more »

TheRevelator

@StLPro2A That’s why our Founders built into our founding documents systems and causes for when those same rights are used in an attempt to destroy them, and it was done with the intention that no matter what the cause or rationalization those inherent rights may not be violated under any authority without giving trigger to those systems. That framework was based in part off of Thomas Paine’s “Common Sense” argument outlining the trespasses of the British government against the colonies, and was key of the second point profoundly stated in the Declaration of Independence, “When a long train of abuses… Read more »

Heed the Call-up

TheRev, well, if what they are doing can be argued as being treasonous, then there is a legal avenue to removing the contaminant. Although that would not be a ban in the true sense of the word, but as conclusive or more so, depending on the sentence. Not that I am suggesting some sort of legalized pogrom against those that wish to destroy our form of governance.

TheRevelator

@Heed the Call-up That is indeed part of the “Framework” that I was describing to StLPro2a, the only downside to that avenue being that Constitutionally it is a slow process except in the worst of cases that bring to bear the most immediate response, though not for light and transient causes. I’d like to credit @Dave in Fairfax for the following quote, as it is very much in line with your last sentence. “Lots of things make people uncomfortable, but that’s never an excuse for acting unconstitutionally. Principles only matter if they take precedence over comfort.” By Dave in Fairfax… Read more »

Heed the Call-up

TheRev, well the other avenue, which we know will never occur, is removal from office due to breaking one’s oath of office. They don’t even get “censured”, except in rare instances.

TheRevelator

@Heed the Call-up

Yes, the definition and original intent behind impeachment(Not just for presidents) has been intentionally ignored and not taught for going on a century now.

Excellent comment.

Finnky

@Heed – Maybe it is time to bring back dueling, at least for sitting politicians. Declining a duel through resignation would be acceptable and bear no official stigma. Can easily picture Biden or O’Rourke with pistols at 20 paces. Talk about term limits!

Heed the Call-up

Finnky, or better yet, the antis could use muskets, as they believe that is the only firearm we are “allowed”, and the pro-rights side could use a Barrett rifle with the duel conducted at 500 yards apart. Oh, and they only get quarter charge of powder, we don’t want those muskets to be a danger to anyone.