Democrat Amen Brown Talks “Ghost Guns” At PA Gun Shows

PHILADELPHIA, PENN-(Ammoland.com)- The twist and turns in the FOAC vs. JSD Supply saga over sales of unfinished firearms kits continue.

The main players are FOAC president Kim Stolfer, JSD Supply President Jordan Vinroe, Philadelphia Representative Amen Brown, Eagle Arms Productions’ Owner Joel Koehler, and PA Attorney General Josh Shapiro. I have spoken to both Stolfer and Vinroe to get their side of the story. Now we have Rep. Amen Brown’s side of the story.

For transparency, I am heavily involved in the gun rights movement with another organization that has fought against any infringement on the Second Amendment and have taken the Pennsylvania AG to task for his attempts to ban unfinished receivers. I also include the raw audio of my phone call with Rep Brown for fairness. This article is a summary of that phone call.

Representative Amen Brown says he isn’t anti-gun. He says he loves guns. It was clear that Brown doesn’t understand firearms.

He might disagree, but it is evident to anyone with a passing knowledge of firearms. He is open to learning which is better than most Democrats. I have connected Rep Brown and Maj Toure of Black Guns Matter.

Rep. Brown said he attended the Morgan Town gun show. He said it wasn’t the sale of the kits that bothered him, but it was the kits’ accessibility. He said he walked up to the table wearing a mask and hood. He didn’t buy anything. He talks about a guy buying two duffle bags of kits. Later in the interview, he admits that he doesn’t know if the buyer was a criminal or just a gun owner.

Rep. Brown went on to tell me that someone from the AG’s Office introduced him to Eagle Arms Productions’ Owner Joel Koehler. He talked to Koehler about the accessibility of the Polymer80 kits. He suggested the gun show make a copy of everyone’s ID and then shred it to discourage criminals from attending the shows.

Rep. Brown said the conversation continued until they concluded that the kits’ sale at the shows needed to stop. Two days later, the AG announced a sting in Philadelphia, where police recovered some of the kits that the criminals purchased at the Morgan Town show. After that, he said he spoke to Koehler on the phone, and it was decided that Eagle Arms would ban the kits sale.

Brown said that someone from Eagle Arms reached out to the AG’s Office to tell them that the company would no longer allow the sale of the Polymer80 kits at Eagle Arms gun shows. He said he was excited about the agreement. The following Monday, the AG did a press conference about the end of the kits’ sale at the shows. He said the intention was to change the process so “one bad apple will not spoil the bunch.”

Brownells Polymer80 Frames For Glock-Style Pistols
Brownells Polymer80 Frames For Glock-Style Pistols

Shortly after the news broke, Eagle Arms contacted the Guns N Gadgets YouTube channel and others and said no one applied pressure to the company to ban P80 sales. Rep. Brown and Stolfer (information from internal emails) both contradicts the statements. I would like to speak with Koehler to dig into this, but he has not returned my email.

Rep. Brown said Stolfer and he started a dialog because his bill increases the penalties for a repeat offender of a crime involving a firearm. He said Stolfer supports “in-house executive decisions” because “you don’t want to be fighting the government.” He said Stolfer dealt with it in-house, so it doesn’t get worse.

Rep. Brown claims he doesn’t want to take anyone’s guns away, but later, he did say he wants to ban magazines that hold a large number of rounds. He didn’t give a number but said police are finding pistols with drum magazines at crime scenes.

Brown said every issue doesn’t need legislation. I pushed Rep. Brown on the “ghost guns” bills currently introduced in the PA legislature. After pushing him, Rep. Brown went on record and promised not to vote for the “ghost guns” bills. PA citizens need to push Brown to keep his word.

Rep. Brown was not aware of JSD Supply and Eagle Arms coming to an agreement to allow P80s to be sold once again but was upset at the terms when I explained it to him. When I told him they were coming back, he said, “we’ll see.” It isn’t clear if Rep. Brown will try to block JSD Supply’s triumphant return to Eagle Arms shows.

He thinks he needs a seat at the table before Eagle Arms makes any decisions. I asked if he felt if it was hypocritical to in one breath say “private businesses can do what they want” when it only applies when they do something that makes you happy. Brown said he never said private businesses could do what they want. He said people could take the decision as a slap in the face.

He said he gets that people want to build their own guns but took an emotional approach. He brought up innocent women and children killed every day by P80s in Philadelphia. I could not find a case in Philadelphia where someone shot a child with a P80.

I wanted to go beyond the unfinished firearms kit issue and get into where Rep. Brown stands on gun laws. He claims to be pro-gun, so I tried to put him to the test. As I stated before, he is for magazine restrictions, which he calls “clips.”

I pushed him on universal background checks. He didn’t know what UBCs was so I explained it to him. I gave him an example where a man gives a gun to his brother. He was “OK” with a background check requirement at an FFL, for that instance.

Rep. Brown didn’t know too much about registries and so-called “assault weapons” bans, so he didn’t know if he supported either of those issues. The last question was on bans of magazines of specific sizes, which I covered earlier in the article.

Is Rep. Amen Brown anti-gun? That is for you to decide.


About John Crump

John is a NRA instructor and a constitutional activist. John has written about firearms, interviewed people of all walks of life, and on the Constitution. John lives in Northern Virginia with his wife and sons and can be followed on Twitter at @crumpyss, or at www.crumpy.com.

John Crump

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Laddyboy
Laddyboy
6 months ago

Rep. Brown said: “I am not trying to take your guns away —– HEEE, HEEE, HEEE, HEEE!”
The giggle SCREAMS the opposite of what he just stated!

USMC0351Grunt
USMC0351Grunt
6 months ago

The bottom line is that ANY elected or appointed official that leans toward ANY violation of our Constitutions needs to be prosecuted through Grand Jury Indictment and immediately removed from office, if not incarcerated and heavily fined as opposed to being, “voted out of office”. (NOTE: LEOS take an Oath of Office, Military takes an Oath of Office, Mayors, City Councilmen, Congressmen, and on and on. It is WE, The People that are to be responsible for gleaning the herd of unscrupulous and corrupt officials.

StLPro2A
StLPro2A
6 months ago

“…..said patriots are finding politicians plotting with un-Constitutional laws at organized meetings in a domed building and a white house in DC.” Sadly, no action will be taken.

Finnky
Finnky
6 months ago

Rep Brown hates the term “gun violence”. That is a very important point. Seems he recognizes propaganda and hypocrisy in at least this instance.

JSNMGC
JSNMGC
6 months ago
Reply to  Finnky

That’s nice.

However:

  • He wants more gun control (universal background checks and magazine capacity limits);
  • When asked if he was in favor of gun registration, he did not provide a position;
  • When asked if he was in favor of banning semi-automatic rifles, he did not provide a position; and
  • He thinks the problem is guns, not people.
musicman44mag
musicman44mag
6 months ago
Reply to  JSNMGC

When someone doesn’t provide an answer in a situation like that, to me the answer is always yes. When politicians abstain from a vote to me it says I am in agreement but if I vote yes my constituents might not vote for me next time. They are not selling me on the “I don’t have an opinion either way” answer.

JSNMGC
JSNMGC
6 months ago
Reply to  musicman44mag

That is my policy as well.

Vern
Vern
6 months ago

Those on the political left seem to have the same mindset as those criminals they protect.

swmft
swmft
6 months ago

If violent crime is decreasing and this does not fit your guns are the problem narrative what do you do……….obummer let violent criminals out of jail. Presto more “gun ” crime.

musicman44mag
musicman44mag
6 months ago
Reply to  swmft

It’s called job/political stance security but that wasn’t good enough otherwise they would not have needed to do Fast and Furious.

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nrringlee
nrringlee
6 months ago

John, as always, excellent work. It is this kind of journalism that exposes the Progressive New Left for what it is: a fact free, emotion and ideology driven pity party. I must commend Mr Brown for at least being open to a ‘conversation.’ All too often the rules of these conversations begin and end with Alinsky’s Rules for Radicals. It is nice to see at least some keeping their race cards and other epithets pocketed long enough to at least expose themselves to a tiny dose of critical thinking. Critical thinking is the antidote to Critical Theory. You just may… Read more »

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JSNMGC
JSNMGC
6 months ago

Amen Brown is anti-gun: He wants more gun control (universal background checks, magazine capacity limits); He waffled on gun registration; He waffled on banning semi-automatic rifles; and He thinks the problem is guns, not people. Amen, try this: Arrest, convict, and incarcerate robbers, rapists, and murderers for a long time. They don’t rob, rape, and murder people who are outside of jail/prison while they are in jail/prison. It’s not that difficult to understand – habitual violent criminals habitually commit violent crimes. They keep committing violent crimes because they are not arrested, convicted, and incarcerated. Meanwhile, work with community leaders to… Read more »

musicman44mag
musicman44mag
6 months ago
Reply to  JSNMGC

Let’s not forget the death penalty. America is weak on crime punishment. I heard at one time if you steal something in another country that they chop off your hand and in another country if you drive drunk they shoot you on the side of the road. I bet they don’t have very many instances wear good innocent people get killed from wrong way drunk drivers.

JSNMGC
JSNMGC
6 months ago
Reply to  musicman44mag

I am against the death penalty. The death penalty is the end of a process that is heavily dependent on government employees. Many government employees:

  • Lie
  • Withhold evidence
  • Fabricate evidence
  • Steal evidence
  • Misrepresent evidence
  • Coerce people
  • Conspire with other government employees
  • Have authoritarian complexes
  • Have low IQs
  • Are incapable of analyzing even simple situations
  • Are incompetent at their jobs
  • Are lazy

Once executed, the death penalty cannot be reversed. Who knows what crimes will be added to the list of crimes that will be eligible for the death penalty.

RoyD
RoyD
6 months ago
Reply to  JSNMGC

So, in other words, government employees are very representative of the group from which they come. Never saw that one coming. If the evidence clearly shows that someone has done something worthy of having to forfeit their life then their life on this earth should come to an end; in fairly short order.

JSNMGC
JSNMGC
6 months ago
Reply to  RoyD

The difference is, many government employees have positions that allow them to end or ruin someone’s life. That’s a big difference.

I’m against the death penalty, it’s just too subject to improper use for the reasons I stated.

musicman44mag
musicman44mag
6 months ago
Reply to  JSNMGC

Ok, so what if there is DNA. I know it could be planted but how about this. The person raped your daughter and then killed her and left his sperm in her? Isn’t that enough evidence? Wouldn’t you want the bastard dead? I don’t have children but I would want him gone for ever for you. I don’t believe in supporting these animals for the rest of their lives until they die of old age or get shived with a poker or knife by a fellow inmate or wait, did one of those guards do it and claim it was… Read more »

JSNMGC
JSNMGC
6 months ago
Reply to  musicman44mag

I don’t believe in the death penalty for the reasons I stated. There are too many opportunities for incompetence and corruption and the result is irreversible. I didn’t say all cops are bad. I didn’t say all government employees who are not cops (such as prosecuting attorneys) are bad. I said: “many government employees . . .” I have previously stated how difficult it must be for good LEOs since some of them have to spend a significant amount of time with both criminals and bad LEOs. A very small percentage of violent criminals actually spend a meaningful amount of… Read more »

JSNMGC
JSNMGC
6 months ago
Reply to  JSNMGC

The details of my life are quite inconsequential.

I’m more concerned about good people being harmed by government employees.

The government is already authorized to incarcerate murderers for a very long time, in many cases for life. However, they fail miserably at fulfilling their responsibilities. I’d like to see them work harder and smarter at arresting and convicting violent criminals and not letting them out early.

JSNMGC
JSNMGC
6 months ago
Reply to  JSNMGC

First, it was a joke – that was a line from a movie.

Second, laws and sentences should stand on their own without reference to any particular individual.

JSNMGC
JSNMGC
6 months ago
Reply to  JSNMGC

No. I would want the murderer to spend the rest of his/her life incarcerated. You keep trying to personalize it – laws should stand on their own without reference to an individual. You act like the death penalty is some type of panacea. The fact is, very few murderers are even brought to trial. The problem is the low arrest rate, low percent that go to trial, low conviction rate, light sentences, and high rate of release on early parole. Executing 0.1% of murderers does very little. I’d like to see the percent of murderers who actually serve meaningful sentences… Read more »

JSNMGC
JSNMGC
6 months ago
Reply to  JSNMGC

Holy shit! That is what I answered. For the third time:

“No. I would want the murderer to spend the rest of his/her life incarcerated.”

Are you on drugs?

JSNMGC
JSNMGC
6 months ago
Reply to  JSNMGC

Apparently – it took you three times to comprehend.

JSNMGC
JSNMGC
6 months ago
Reply to  JSNMGC

I said it each of three times. It’s all there – read it.

JSNMGC
JSNMGC
6 months ago
Reply to  JSNMGC

Telling me:

“Again someones innocent life means nothing to you .”

is both untrue and inflammatory.

JSNMGC
JSNMGC
6 months ago
Reply to  JSNMGC

How many times, you dimwitted fool? Here’s what I wrote a half hour ago: “No. I would want the murderer to spend the rest of his/her life incarcerated. You keep trying to personalize it – laws should stand on their own without reference to an individual. You act like the death penalty is some type of panacea. The fact is, very few murderers are even brought to trial. The problem is the low arrest rate, low percent that go to trial, low conviction rate, light sentences, and high rate of release on early parole. Executing 0.1% of murderers does very… Read more »

JSNMGC
JSNMGC
6 months ago
Reply to  JSNMGC

No.

Listen, having a different opinion on the death penalty is just that – a difference of opinion. I explained the logic of why I hold that opinion and you obviously have a different opinion.

You couldn’t just discuss the topic though – you said someone’s innocent life means nothing to me and started making other comments about my family.

Is this how you would have had the conversation in person?

JSNMGC
JSNMGC
6 months ago
Reply to  JSNMGC

Oldvet – 3/24/21:
 
“They were questions not statements and since you were talking about court sentences yes that is how I would approach you in court .”

Reply to Oldvet:

Statement made by Oldvet:
“Again someones innocent life means nothing to you .”

Question with an incorrect presumption made by Oldvet:
“Why is a murders life so much more important to you than his victim’s life ?”

JSNMGC
JSNMGC
6 months ago
Reply to  JSNMGC

Will – 3/24/21
 
“JSNMGC,the absolute last thing Oldvet is is a dimwitted fool! Think on that for a minute!”

Response to Will:

Did you follow the conversation?

When someone says I don’t care about innocent lives and then starts in on my family, they are going to going to be called a dimwitted fool (especially when it takes them three times to understand the word “no”).

RoyD
RoyD
6 months ago
Reply to  JSNMGC

For whatever reason your thinking is flawed concerning the death penalty. But, it is yours so you have to live with it and it might change one day. In the mean time do you have any thoughts you’d care to share about this:

Two staff members killed by inmate at Iowa penitentiary – 3/24 Update in OP – AR15.COM

JSNMGC
JSNMGC
6 months ago
Reply to  RoyD

It’s not that my thinking flawed, I just have a different opinion than you do. I don’t trust government employees to be competent and to have integrity. It’s just that simple. Once the government kills someone, any incompetence or foul play that may have led to a faulty conviction cannot be undone. Many people who are in favor of the death penalty don’t consider how much the government despises people who value freedom, want a much smaller government, and who believe in the 2nd Amendment. The people executed may not be the types most envision. Putting that aside, the number… Read more »

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RoyD
RoyD
6 months ago
Reply to  JSNMGC

I think perhaps your problem with the death penalty comes from having never had to deal with people who would kill you if they thought they could do so without getting caught; on a daily basis. I have. And, if they would do that to you, then they would do the same to any other citizen if they chose to. I view these types the same way I view a “mad dog.” And the solution is the same in both instances, in my personal and formally professional opinion. But, that’s me.

JSNMGC
JSNMGC
6 months ago
Reply to  RoyD

My disagreement with the death penalty is not due to any sympathy for violent criminals.

You do not know my background.

RoyD
RoyD
6 months ago
Reply to  JSNMGC

I didn’t mention or intimate any sympathy on your part for the criminal class, violent or otherwise. What I said was you don’t have the intimate familiarity with hardcore criminals that I, and many others, have had and some still have. I have been retired for almost eight and a half years and have no doubts about that which is true concerning criminals. And you know what, there are some who deserve a second chance. But, by the time most of them get into committing felony crimes it is too late for them. And those who commit physical injury on… Read more »

JSNMGC
JSNMGC
6 months ago
Reply to  RoyD

You are incorrect.

RoyD
RoyD
6 months ago
Reply to  JSNMGC

Well, pray tell us, what is it that you think I am incorrect about.

JSNMGC
JSNMGC
6 months ago
Reply to  RoyD

I have had intimate familiarity with hard core criminals. I want many more of them incarcerated. My views are not about giving them second chances (although I’m sure there are some for whom that makes sense) – my views (as I have stated repeatedly) are based on my conclusions that many government employees are incompetent and/or are corrupt. They have proven this over and over again. I don’t want them killing non-government employees. I want the government to have less power not more. I have also stated, repeatedly, that it must be incredibly frustrating for good LEOs to have to… Read more »

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JSNMGC
JSNMGC
6 months ago
Reply to  RoyD

Will – 3/24/21

“Roy,he will never admit that his thinking is flawed! It’s hard to go back and forth back and forth with a person who won’t bend and won’t concede defeat even after being proven wrong.”

Response to Will:

Nothing is proven.

We have differences of opinion on the death penalty – why is that so hard to just accept?

JSNMGC
JSNMGC
6 months ago
Reply to  JSNMGC

Will – 3/24/21:
 
“Maybe it’s not proven but your opinion in regards to the death penalty is ludicrous.”

Response to Will:

You have more faith in the competence and integrity of government employees than I do.

Laddyboy
Laddyboy
6 months ago
Reply to  JSNMGC

According to judicial law, a life sentence is 25 YEARS. 25 years is not equal to a life. Life imprisonment must be enforced, meaning the murderer stays in prison, behind bars till that killer dies!

JSNMGC
JSNMGC
6 months ago
Reply to  Laddyboy

Yes – and many, many more violent criminals should be arrested and convicted.

Get to work government employees.

JSNMGC
JSNMGC
6 months ago
Reply to  JSNMGC

Oh boy, I offended a government employee.

There were enough of you to arrest people for cutting hair, operating a bar, operating a gym, and singing in the parking lot of a church. There are enough of you to arrest more violent criminals and build cases against them.

Leave everyone else alone.

Now, get to work.

JSNMGC
JSNMGC
6 months ago
Reply to  JSNMGC

At times, you put way too much faith in the competence and integrity of government employees.

Only a very small percent of murderers spend a meaningful amount of time incarcerated. Let’s fix that. For the cases of false imprisonment, those falsely convicted can be released (can’t reverse a death penalty sentence that was carried out).

JSNMGC
JSNMGC
6 months ago
Reply to  JSNMGC

Stop.

I want more murderers off the street and behind bars. I’ve said that many times.

Very few murderers spend a significant amount of time incarcerated – that should be fixed.

JSNMGC
JSNMGC
6 months ago
Reply to  JSNMGC

No it doesn’t. Not sure how to get you to understand this, but very few murderers are arrested and convicted. If 100% of convicted murderers were executed, we would still have a massive problem.

JSNMGC
JSNMGC
6 months ago
Reply to  JSNMGC

Ok, you are incapable of reading.

JSNMGC
JSNMGC
6 months ago
Reply to  JSNMGC

Fuck off.

musicman44mag
musicman44mag
6 months ago
Reply to  JSNMGC

I think if penalty’s were tougher there would be less crime and if someone takes a life it should be paid for with exactly what they took so long as it is proven beyond the shadow of a doubt. That means DNA, film footage etc. Not just police saying xyz.

Tionico
Tionico
6 months ago
Reply to  JSNMGC

all true… BUT… it is the JURY that decides the sentence in each case. Yes, gummit dweebs do all of the above. When deliberatly withholding or falsifying evidence, those gummit uffishuls doing these things need to be sentneced to the same unishment the accused got, or wold have gotten ,had the lies been true. THIS is biblical justice.. bear false, witness against another, and harm comes upon him becuase of YOUR witness, YOU suffer the fate HE suffered, or would hav suffered had the lies been believed. For far too long, the courts have had the mindset that “we don’t… Read more »

JSNMGC
JSNMGC
6 months ago
Reply to  Tionico

The jury does not decide the sentence in each case:

https://capitalpunishmentincontext.org/resources/trialprocess

I’d like to see government employees work harder and smarter to arrest and convict violent criminals. The arrest rate is abysmal and the conviction rate on those arrested is terrible as well.

I agree with you that more government employees should be arrested and charged with crimes related to corruption (as in the case you cited and many more).

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musicman44mag
musicman44mag
6 months ago
Reply to  JSNMGC

Ok, now that the debate is over I will make one more statement, not to stir the pot but to try and make more sense of the outcome of not using the death penalty. You always hear, there are not enough prisons and that is why we are releasing them early or plea bargaining the sentence or not giving them the full sentence or my favorite, it’s their first time. Using the death penalty right away would end some of the over crowding in prisons. Increasing the penalties for crimes and having some upgraded to felon status would be better.… Read more »

JSNMGC
JSNMGC
6 months ago
Reply to  musicman44mag

You assume the incompetence and/or corruption of government employees will not result in any faulty convictions. That is the point I’ve made a couple dozen times now – that your assumption may not be correct.

musicman44mag
musicman44mag
6 months ago
Reply to  JSNMGC

Remember the statements I made. Photographic evidence, DNA and not cops saying xyz. Lets take the freshest event that should get the death penalty. The asshole shot up 10 people. I know there are people there that saw him walk in with the gun and kill people, one report said that the person called 911 because of a man with a gun in the parking lot. He killed an officer I hope he had a body cam and that someone saw it. I can almost bet there was store film evidence too. They took him to the hospital which was… Read more »

JSNMGC
JSNMGC
6 months ago
Reply to  musicman44mag

If convicted, put him in Super Max for life. He will wish he was dead. He didn’t murder those people because he thought he wouldn’t get the death penalty. He probably assumed he was going to get shot by the LEOs. Regarding cost, the cost to go through the process prior to being given the death penalty and then to be executed is extremely expensive. Of all the government waste on BS, to say we don’t have enough money to build enough prisons is just an excuse. More prisons are not being built because government employees don’t want more violent… Read more »

musicman44mag
musicman44mag
6 months ago
Reply to  JSNMGC

If you look back at how I said this should be handled in my last comment to you, you should see that there will be no court battles multiple times and our normal way of doing things would be gone. Less lawyer time too. As far as life in prison I think you are under the assumption that life in prison means just that but it’s not. Look at Charles Manson. He was given the death penalty and after a change in kommiefornia law by the pussyes that are weak on crime his sentence was commuted to life with the… Read more »

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JSNMGC
JSNMGC
6 months ago
Reply to  musicman44mag

You are talking about a tiny portion of the issue and you want revenge.

I want a much bigger part of the problem resolved – the hundreds of thousands of violent criminals walking among us. I’d like them incarcerated.

musicman44mag
musicman44mag
6 months ago
Reply to  JSNMGC

No no no, don’t go there now. You are speaking as if you know me and you barely do and I never said I want revenge, I want the problem resolved quickly, permanently and absolutely so I don’t have to deal with it multiple times and spend money on it over and over or year after year waiting for them to die. Yes, money is more important than murderers that have been convicted with proper proof and evidence and always will be and again I will say, not people convicted by police only saying xyz because you make me feel… Read more »

JSNMGC
JSNMGC
6 months ago
Reply to  musicman44mag

Your words: “Tomorrow he should go to the judge and be held without bail. The court should be put together from a pool of people that are ready to stand trial on something else less important and that can be put on hold. They should have the hearing, produce the evidence and if found guilty which I am sure he will be, the next day off with his head but in his case a slow death by firing squad. Shoot his left knee let him wait a half hour, shoot his right knee let him wait a half hour, shoot… Read more »

musicman44mag
musicman44mag
6 months ago
Reply to  JSNMGC

Just like the difference in opinion on if the death penalty should exist or not the same stands for the punishment. You think by having them locked up for 25 years which in your mind is life imprisonment is torture and you want to punish them mentally. I want them to suffer the pain like his victims. When he shot them they felt pain. I want him to suffer some of the pain he inflicted on the people he killed with a gun. Just like the pusher that sells the bad drugs that kills someone. When it is all over… Read more »

JSNMGC
JSNMGC
6 months ago
Reply to  musicman44mag

Would you please stop assigning positions to me that I don’t hold?

I do not believe that having them locked up for 25 years is life imprisonment.

musicman44mag
musicman44mag
6 months ago
Reply to  JSNMGC

Ok, so long as I can ask the same from you. I am not wanting revenge nor am I sadistic. I’m glad you feel that 25 years is not life but I believe that in some states that is what life is considered to be. Now I know when you say life you mean until they draw their last breath. Our difference of when that should happen is different but we both want the same thing. We want them off the street forever. I just keep going over how kommiefornia let manson off but didn’t. The thought is scary of… Read more »

Laddyboy
Laddyboy
6 months ago
Reply to  JSNMGC

What you say is true. However, when there is ABSOLUTELY no DOUBT, such as the muzzy in the latest murders, then the death penalty SHOULD be carried out!

Tionico
Tionico
6 months ago
Reply to  JSNMGC

In my conversation with Mr. Brown, we did not cover mag capacity or “assault weapons” as issues, nor did we cover UBC. But he DID talk with me about his new bill, in which he sought to remove the option of bail from the courts in cases where hooligans shoot people. He knows the present practice is to charge the perp, then turn him loose to do “whatever” between then and the trial. He also wants mandatory minimum sentences for serious crimes particulary when guns are used to harm. HE knows the local DE in Philly is famous for releasing… Read more »

JSNMGC
JSNMGC
6 months ago
Reply to  Tionico

Tionico, The comments I made in this thread were based on listening to the conversation between Amen Brown and John Crump. I think this is the third time you have mentioned enforcement of violations of firearm laws (or enhancements of sentences due to a firearm being used). The penalties available for robbery, rape, and murder are severe without any firearm enhancements. The problem is the low arrest rate, the low percentage that go to trial, the low conviction rate, the light sentences being given to the few people who are convicted, and the large number of people convicted who are… Read more »