U.S. Guns-to-Mexico Reports Suggests ‘Deja Vu All Over Again’

Fast and Furious
We are once more being set up with the exact same lies that led to Operation Fast and Furious, all with the intent of disarming you. Just like last time.

U.S.A. – -(Ammoland.com)- “Mexican cartels such as CJNG or Jalisco New Generation and Sinaloa cartels are arming themselves with military-grade weapons,” Fox News 29 San Antonio reports. “And the Mexican government is saying most of these destructive weapons, such as AK-47 and M-16 are coming from the United States.

“At least 2.5 million illegal firearms were smuggled into Mexico during the last 10 years, according to a new Mexican government study,” the report continues. In other words, the multiple rifle sale reporting requirement ATF imposed on the four border states of Arizona, California, New Mexico, and Texas did what we can expect from all such “commonsense gun safety laws”: Absolutely nothing.  Except infringe on the rights of Americans and show that the real issue is a porous border that Democrats want to keep open for their superhighway to citizenship…

It’s no surprise that ATF had been calling for that edict for years. Back in 2008, ABC News got it straight from ATF Phoenix Field Division Special Agent in Charge Bill Newell. Remember him? He was the guy who headed up the disastrously lethal “gunwalking” plot known as Operation Fast and Furious. He’s also the guy who started another chain reaction that led all the way up to Obama’s White House denying House Oversight access to a witness, another in a series of stonewalling outrages I’ve been writing about for years.

It’s also no surprise that ABC News parroted the Violence Policy Center deception to sow deliberate “confusion” in the public’s mind between semiautomatics and machineguns. Did everybody notice Fox 29 did the same thing as if you can go in and walk out of any gun store with a straw-purchased select-fire rifle? (Not that you shouldn’t be able to.)

If you want to find the sources for real military ordnance finding its way into the hands of the cartels, look no further than Mexico’s southern border or from corrupt government officials taking advantage of U.S. State Department-authorized exports to Mexican police and the military.

There are more big lies lie that Fox 29 repeated, oblivious to realities those who actually know what they’re talking about figured out years ago:

The Mexican government says 70% of crimes committed with guns in Mexico are linked to guns that came from the U.S. and of those, more than 40% come from Texas alone. Sanchez says the weapons that are crossing the border are extremely dangerous.

“We’ve seen a dramatic increase in the types of firearms and the caliber of firearms today than what we saw 10 years ago. For example, 10 years ago you may see a revolver or a semi-automatic pistol, and now it’s not uncommon at all to see an assault rifle, assault rifle converted into an automatic assault rifle, grenades, grenade launchers, and these high caliber type rifles,” says Sanchez.

Let’s take the second lie first. Operation Fast and Furious was more than a few handguns. And here’s a report from 2009 by The Los Angeles Times:

“Traffickers have escalated their arms race, acquiring military-grade weapons, including hand grenades, grenade launchers, armor-piercing munitions and antitank rockets with firepower far beyond the assault rifles and pistols that have dominated their arsenals. Most of these weapons are being smuggled from Central American countries or by sea, eluding U.S. and Mexican monitors who are focused on the smuggling of semiautomatic and conventional weapons purchased from dealers in the U.S. border states of Texas, New Mexico, Arizona and California.”

Now let’s talk about the other big lie, about the percentage du jour of “Mexican crime guns” the grabbers would have us believe come from U.S. gun shops and gun shows.

They never could get the numbers right.

“American gun sellers supply the cartels with 95 to 100 percent of their guns,” Kathleen Kennedy Townsend and former Brady Center President Paul Helmke wrung their hands and shrieked for CNN back in 2009.

“It is estimated that at least 90% of the guns used by the Mexican drug trafficking organizations have come from the US.,” BBC News weighed in that same year.

“According to a new report, U.S. Firearms Trafficking to Mexico … about 80%, or 60,000 firearms, came from the United States,” Huffington Post contributor and former Brady Center honcho Dennis Henigan of the Brady Center assured readers in 2011.

Here’s what I wrote about those BS numbers back in March 2009:

I’d like to share with you a bit of testimony, from the Statement of David Ogden, Deputy Attorney General, United States Department of Justice, before the United States Senate Committee on Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs hearing entitled “Southern Border Violence: Homeland Security Threats, Vulnerabilities, and Responsibilities”, presented March 25, 2009. Just a small bit, really, but a critical one, almost lost in the 20 pages of his statement:

“According to ATF’s Tracing Center, 90 percent of the firearms about which ATF receives information are traceable to the United States.”

Read it again, and compare it to what the antis are saying. It’s very different, isn’t it?

It’s not all the guns recovered, just those submitted for tracing, which, per a 2009 Fox News report noted:

“There’s just one problem with the 90 percent “statistic” and it’s a big one: It’s just not true. In fact, it’s not even close. The fact is, only 17 percent of guns found at Mexican crime scenes have been traced to the U.S.”

This information has been out there for over a decade, yet the American public is still being subjected to disinformation by a media that is either hopelessly incompetent, deliberately misleading, or both.

Case in point, this Feb. 24 report by the Louisville Courier Journal (a Gannett Publication) about a DEA supervisor and “veteran lawman” convicted of running guns to the cartels, repeats this by now familiar lie:

“At least 70% of weapons seized in Mexico — including many guns used by cartels in massacres — were made in or came through America, according to the U.S. Government Accountability Office.”

Do you get the feeling that those who presume to instruct us don’t even belong in the damn classroom without passing some prerequisites?

This is beyond journalistic malpractice. These are the people I started out calling “Authorized Journalists,” then Fourth Estate Fifth Columnists, and of late, the DSM (Duranty/Streicher Media).

Through ignorance or intent, they’re conditioning a public that doesn’t know any better (as evidenced by the idiot way most answer polls) to accept the same lies that led to “walking” guns across the border and untold deaths, all as part of a cynical and evil mine-salting swindle to gin up support for more citizen disarmament. And these are the ones with the power to dominate, and marginalize reports exposing their lies of commission and omission as “fake news.”

Remember that old Yogi Berra quote?

“It’s Deja Vu all over again.”

Except what happens next won’t be funny at all.


About David Codrea:

David Codrea is the winner of multiple journalist awards for investigating/defending the RKBA and a long-time gun owner rights advocate who defiantly challenges the folly of citizen disarmament. He blogs at “The War on Guns: Notes from the Resistance,” is a regularly featured contributor to Firearms News, and posts on Twitter: @dcodrea and Facebook.

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Bill
Bill
15 days ago

Statistics can be manipulated to end up with any desired conclusion.
LIARS CAN FIGURE AND FIGURES CAN LIE!

SweetOlBob
SweetOlBob
21 days ago

Just wait until this news is sprung on the American public the way that the crooked Holer (no typo) did with Fast & Furious. He almost got away with blaming the death of our Border personnel on our own gun shops. He was behind the criminal BATFE forcing gun sellers to make illegal sales to use against American gun owners. I didn’t work, but the slimy wanker
still got away with it because he was protected by a complicit obama*, who was almost implicated until he claimed Executive Privilege.
Remember ?

DIYinSTL
DIYinSTL
1 month ago

Dave, My understanding is the source of the high percentage number comes from “GAO Firearms Trafficking Report d09709” (GAO-09-709) where Jess T. Ford reports that 87% (over 90% 20006 – 2008) of firearms “seized in Mexico and traced” have come from the U.S.. The always omitted qualifier being “and traced.” None-the-less, Homeland Security’s review of the report called his numbers “misleading.” Using what data I could glean from the report I came up with just under 11% of firearms seized in Mexico had U.S. origins, not the 17% that FOX reported. My FOI request to the GAO for Ford’s raw… Read more »

The Crimson Pirate
The Crimson Pirate
1 month ago

In 2020 and 2021 I bet there are a lot less guns going to Mexico. Bringing guns into America could be a new profit center for the cartels. Anyway, I don’t see the problem. Mexico has draconian gun laws that clearly do nothing to stop criminals and only affect the law abiding. The law abiding Mexicans need to learn that lesson and become responsible for their own safety, legally or illegally. With 1/3 of Mexico’s citizens illegally in the US, collecting welfare, stimulus checks, unemployment (with covid bonus) and social security, all of which they never paid into, it would… Read more »

bondmen
bondmen
1 month ago

Yes the widely suspected shadow President behind the illegitimate White House imposter surely must be Barry Hussein pulling the O’biden-harris’ strings.

The “progressive” collectivists and national-international socialists will use any handy pretext to abuse law abiding Real Americans their protection.

Shame on them, but they know no shame. When will they ever wake up to their destructive, deadly policy prescriptions?

SweetOlBob
SweetOlBob
21 days ago
Reply to  bondmen

bondmen:
You’re probably right ! the stupid moves of the Biden administration smacks of the little Muslim fraud.

CourageousLion
CourageousLion
1 month ago

Of course it is my fault that guns are being smuggled into Mexico even though none of them were ever mine in the first place. It’s obvious that we need to do something to keep the guns I have that haven’t ever been involved with someone in an illegal manner taken away from ME. What a CROCK.

Dave in Fairfax
Editor
Dave in Fairfax
1 month ago
Reply to  CourageousLion

CL,

Well, YEAH. That’s why I’m going to have my tax dollars fund the reparations for all the slaves I never owned. I’m glad that you understand.

SweetOlBob
SweetOlBob
21 days ago

Yeah, but so far the give-away-for-votes crowd has faked out the “Gimme Bums”. They made the reparation money marked for education, not Seagrams ! – – – Well Darn !

Brad
Brad
1 month ago

I bet 90% of the illegal drugs in America come from Mexico . It would seem it’s more of a border problem . Let’s secure the border and solve both issues . You know,it’s for the kids .

SweetOlBob
SweetOlBob
21 days ago
Reply to  Brad

BUT WAIT ! Where will the dem0cRATS get the new voters they need ?
Their old sure thing is getting wise to them !

pureamericana
pureamericana
1 month ago

For over 160 years all major trouble,wars both domestic and foreign, and harm to the USA has been created in Washington D.C. . Politicians, greedy subversive lobbyist and power hungry evil elite Americans have caused most all of it. Deep State has been around a long time.

DDS
DDS
1 month ago

Note that the front row of men are all in restraints.
Note that the back row of men are all wearing vests that say “MARINA”, the Spanish word for MARINES. That’s because the perps in the front row are in the custody of the Mexican Marines due to the fact that the only component of the Mexican government not yet corrupted by the drug cartels is the Mexican Navy.

Yet we’re supposed to surrender our constitutional rights based on the evidence presented by the parts of the Mexican government that have been so corrupted.

I don’t think so!

JohnLloydScharf
JohnLloydScharf
1 month ago

Guns are a right. Being a member of Congress is a privilege with powers and immunity. 
Members of Congress should be subjected to a criminal record check before taking office. 
Members of Congress should be subjected to a drug test before they vote on a bill. 

CourageousLion
CourageousLion
1 month ago

And when they are found out to be psychopathic control freaks they need to be put in a loony bin.

JohnLloydScharf
JohnLloydScharf
1 month ago

Guns are a right. Being a President is a privilege with powers and immunity. 
Presidents should be subjected to a criminal record check and a mental competency test before taking office. 
Presidents should submit to a drug test before they vote on a sign a bill or issue an executive order. 

SweetOlBob
SweetOlBob
21 days ago

And they should be able to say “Rubber Baby Buggy Bumpers”. I’ll bet that Joe can’t do it ! HEH!

JohnLloydScharf
JohnLloydScharf
21 days ago
Reply to  SweetOlBob

Reality Orientation requires knowing your date and location.
One of the evaluations I watched in a mental institution as an aide was counting backwards by serial sevens. My test is this:
1.I say “Spell shop three times.”
2.The moment they finish spelling “shop” I ask, “What do you do when you come to a green light?
If they say “Stop,” then they are not paying attention AND they should not have a drivers’ license.

Mack
Mack
1 month ago

And as noted at WOG, the ATF multiple rifle sale reporting requirement continues to this day:

“We Want to Hear from YOU (Not That Our Minds Aren’t Already Made Up”
https://waronguns.blogspot.com/2021/02/we-want-to-hear-from-you-not-that-our.html

hoss
hoss
1 month ago

There isn’t but one way to halt this CRB crap, and we all know what that is. The problem is when ever anyone puts it into words, we who have the nerve to say it are shunned, or canceled. We’ve all seen what happens when these CRBs take power, and that is what is happening now. Does anyone think the CRBs will relinquish the power they’ve gotten?
IF NOT NOW, THEN WHEN?
CRBs=Commie Rat Bastards.

YourTruth
YourTruth
1 month ago

It never ends

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JohnLloydScharf
JohnLloydScharf
1 month ago

Thanks for using the term Democrat rather than democrat or liberal when you stated “the real issue is a porous border that Democrats want to keep open.” Democrats are neither liberal nor democratic.Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just Powers from the Consent of the Governed.” Democrats do not have referendums to get the consent of the governed corporately. “Representatives” are rulers, not a substitute for informed consent. Liberals are for liberty. Patrick Henry was a liberal who opposed the Constitution.The US is just another constitutional republic controlled by one party; like China, Cuba, Indonesia,Iran Venezuela, and Vietnam. PATRICK… Read more »

Last edited 1 month ago by JohnLloydScharf
Coelacanth
Coelacanth
1 month ago

Mexico is a narco-state and has been for decades. Anything that the Mexican government does is suspect. It is what it is.

DarryH
DarryH
1 month ago

A large portion of these drugs are made in countries, other than, Mexico. They come up from countries south of Mexico, and they use Mexico as a distribution center. If these cartels can run drugs so freely, then they certainly would have NO trouble getting true military grade weapons and explosives transported also!!!!

Tionico
Tionico
1 month ago
Reply to  DarryH

and that IS happening. Just like it is going into the sparsely populated northern states of Austraila. The arms makers gotta sell arms or they don’t eat. Just like our own IS MIC. You know, the oe Ike warned us against? Guatemala, El Salvador, and Nicaraga are all pipelines for drugs and arms. The first two are largely controlled if not completely infiltrated by our own CIA, and Nicaragua’s highly illegal “president” (someone needs to relearn how to spell dictator) is cut of the same cloth. After all, did he not replace three generations of corrupt US backed Somosa puppets?… Read more »

Dubi Loo
Dubi Loo
1 month ago

Thank you David for another informative article. I appreciate you adding the hyperlinks to ancillary information that helps refresh my memory.

Dee
Dee
1 month ago

It’s funny that fascists look at the border wall and says that the problem. No wall. But yet there’s no wall that leads to Canada and there’s no talks of drugs/guns heading into Canada. In fact their leadership has basically shut Americans from crossing freely. Why can’t we treat Mexico exactly how Canada treat Americans?? Trump pushed false narratives and it seem some of you are continuing to do that.

JSNMGC
JSNMGC
1 month ago
Reply to  Dee

What are your thoughts on birthright citizenship?

What do you think about providing tax-payer funded benefits (beyond emergency medical attention) to people living in the US illegally?

Do you think laws were broken during “Fast and Furious?”

Tionico
Tionico
1 month ago
Reply to  JSNMGC

Birthright citizenship is very simple: IF one or both of your parents were US Citizens at the time of your birth, you ARE a US citizen, except with the uncommon exception of those born and living abroad. They have to make a choice at the conclusion of their 18th trip round the sun whether to be US Citizens of of their country of residence. The simple fact of taking your first breath while upon US dirt does NOT confer US Cirtizenship upon anyone. READ the intent, in plain language, there in the 14th Article of Ammendment. Congress SHOULD pass an… Read more »

JSNMGC
JSNMGC
1 month ago
Reply to  Tionico

Tionico,

I’m very familiar with Birthright Citizenship, why is was created, and why it has been inappropriately allowed to continue by Republican and Democrat politicians.

musicman44mag
musicman44mag
21 days ago
Reply to  JSNMGC

Wait a minute. You might cause detrimental brain damage asking her for her thoughts or what does she think. Or, is that your goal?

JSNMGC
JSNMGC
1 month ago
Reply to  Dee

Dee, you recently indicated your reason for being here was to educate people. Please help me.

musicman44mag
musicman44mag
21 days ago
Reply to  JSNMGC

She also indicated that she is a male, more intelligent than everyone else on the board because she is better edgeumacated and that everyone that doesn’t agree with her is a racist and the people that attacked the white house were all Trump supporters and that she is all about the right to bear arms and that is why she is here, to educate and unify everyone on the board and support the second amendment.

hoss
hoss
1 month ago
Reply to  Dee

You’re either ignorant, or just plain stupid! We all know you can’t fix stupid!

Sisu
Sisu
1 month ago
Reply to  Dee

@Dee The history of conflict is somewhat different, i.e., war’s with Mexico (and Spanish colonialism) versus armed conflict with Canada and all the nations that claimed her territories (not the least Britain). Look into the history of treaties with Canada (her former “owners”) and the USA; yet there are still unresolved disputes. Also, consider climate and population density differences. … Everything is subject to change but the threats Canada represents to USA are nothing comparable to the threats from Mexico and other Central American countries. … Perhaps you could consider investing a bit of time in some critical thinking and… Read more »

JohnLloydScharf
JohnLloydScharf
1 month ago
Reply to  Dee

I would put a wall on the Canadian Border too. There is no false narrative on the Border being protected. How about we treat Mexico like they treat US citizens. If we sneak into Mexico it is a crime; particularly if you intend to stay. I am all for tearing down the wall, if we can replace it with 36 feet of broken glass and an armed Marine every 500 feet. 28,000 would do it on the southern border. Maybe 100,000 on the Canadian Border where Muhammadan terrorists sneak in.

SweetOlBob
SweetOlBob
21 days ago

Try to take a gun into Mexico. There was a manwospnt months in a Meicn prison for forgetting he had a relic in his camper.
The Mexicans held him for ransom until they were forced to spring him ! I don’t know if they got their “Mordida” or not.
Whatta a nation of Crooks

JohnLloydScharf
JohnLloydScharf
21 days ago
Reply to  SweetOlBob

I picketed the Mexican Consulate in Portland when they kidnapped that former Marine at the border when he made a wrong turn.

buzzy
buzzy
1 month ago
Reply to  Dee

Dee get’s a “D” for very little effort !

Arny
Arny
1 month ago

Hell open the border Joe ! Mexico needs some more firearms & the US needs more drugs. The big man just wants his 30%.b

Cruiser
Cruiser
1 month ago

Our government has always been good at arming our enemies.

Country Boy
Country Boy
1 month ago
Reply to  Cruiser

it’s because the USA has the best leadership that money can buy……….

JPM
JPM
1 month ago

No logic or common sense in the reports, but the majority of the public believe anything from the media, no matter how ludicrous (Covid, the 2020 election, etc.). Why would any cartel pay hundreds and even thousands for an illegal gun in the USA and risk smuggling it into Mexico, when they can easily purchase hundreds of guns (cases) and ammo, wholesale from manufacturers and dealers in Europe and Asia and import them directly into Mexico either legally or via crooked customs agents at harbors and airports?

Tionico
Tionico
1 month ago
Reply to  JPM

I’ll lay high stakes at long odds that a significnt portion of the arms currently “at large” in Mexico amongst the droguistas is from China. They are happy to trade arms for money particulalruy when a free added side benefit is that the arms will be used to help destabilise their most hated and feared enemy, the US. Maybe that Japanese emperor got the quote just a bit off. Instead of “every BLADE of grass, maybe it was every BAG of grass…..

Montana454Casull
Montana454Casull
1 month ago

I am still waiting to see the Obama administration and Eric Holder held accountable for Fast and furious. Until this is done the government does not have the authority to take anyone’s guns . Equal protection under the law for all . If Eric Holder is exempt from prosecution then so is everybody else . The double standard and lies from the media and government only discredits them and makes thier gun laws unconstitutional . ” SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED ” and MOLON LABE .

JSNMGC
JSNMGC
1 month ago

Isn’t it weird that he, and all the others involved, weren’t prosecuted in 2017 or 2018?

JPM
JPM
1 month ago
Reply to  JSNMGC

No surprise, just business as usual. No one get prosecuted for high crimes and misdemeanors who is a Federal agent or an appointed or elected official. Pattern of getting away with murder: Ruby Ridge, Waco, Fast & Furious, just to name the ones that the press actually bothered to cover.

JSNMGC
JSNMGC
1 month ago
Reply to  JPM

Trump appointed the guy in charge of Ruby Ridge to once again be the US Attorney General. He did nothing in 2017 to investigate Fast and Furious. The guy Trump chose to be his personal attorney used taxpayer money to sue two dozen gun manufactures for . . . manufacturing guns. Many in the firearm community cheer and wave their American flags when a politician wears a firearm and says things like:   “President Trump gave the GOP a much needed spine transplant in 2016. Now I’m here giving them glocks on their hips! The Democrats would do anything to… Read more »

Last edited 1 month ago by JSNMGC
JSNMGC
JSNMGC
1 month ago
Reply to  JSNMGC

The back the blue quote was from Boebert.

JSNMGC
JSNMGC
1 month ago
Reply to  JSNMGC

So much we agree on.

JSNMGC
JSNMGC
1 month ago
Reply to  JSNMGC

Republican politicians act the way they do because such a large percentage of the people who vote for them allow them to do so. I appreciate Boebert’s passion regarding the 2nd Amendment, but if people don’t hold her accountable for actually doing something, she will eventually become like all the Republican virtue-signaling, flip-floppers at the 2/28/18 meeting. That meeting should be shoved in the faces of every Republican candidate during the 2022 election cycle as an example of what will not be tolerated. The meeting gave a rare glimpse into how they capitulate so readily. Can you imagine how they… Read more »

JSNMGC
JSNMGC
1 month ago
Reply to  JSNMGC

Thanks.

It has to be frustrating to be a good LEO. A certain percentage of them have to deal with violent criminals on the streets, a legal system that ensures the violent criminals stay on the streets, and then they suffer the embarrassment of being associated with bad LEOs like the ones in the article.

JSNMGC
JSNMGC
1 month ago
Reply to  JSNMGC

Box of chocolates.

Degforyou
Degforyou
1 month ago
Reply to  JSNMGC

I think I’ve seen that the demorats constitution is different from the real one.

Tionico
Tionico
1 month ago
Reply to  JPM

well,if it is any comfort, Leland Yee, last I knew, is still behind bars for HIS gun running out of California. He was, next to Becerra the Beast and ol Whorizontal Harris, the nastiest antigun critter in the entire California State Legislature. He drew an incredibly light sentence, but I guess he just did not have the “right gennegshuns” to be treated like Holder, the kinyun, Newell, and company. He still looks good in that jumpsuit, though.

Finnky
Finnky
1 month ago

Part of the article talked about how cartels are smuggling from the south while US and Mexico focus on US border and the lighter small arms which could come from here. I imagine that many regular Mexican people (not government and not cartel) might try to acquire defensive tools from the US. The peasants of northern Mexico do not have means to smuggle heavy weaponry from the south.
It is almost like the governments are colluding to disarm the regular-honest people while encouraging gang violence.

Tionico
Tionico
1 month ago
Reply to  Finnky

quote: It is almost like the governments are colluding to disarm the regular-honest people Try this version: ————— The governments are colluding to disarm the regular-honest people About two years back there was a collection of smallish villages, I think in Michoacán State. They managed to gather enough ancient and underpowered arms to stand their ground against a cartel that were trying to run their area. They succeeded.. for a time. After a few months of relative peace and security that cartel came back, well prepared. It did not go well for those locals. And the Mexican federal government did…………… Read more »

musicman44mag
musicman44mag
1 month ago

Man, with mexico’s heavy restrictions on who can posses firearms and where they can be kept and used I am supprised that they could get that many together at one time. I wonder if they got all of them from the five friendly looking dudes wearing wrist bracelets. Hard to believe they all came from America.

Tionico
Tionico
1 month ago
Reply to  musicman44mag

the cartel formula is quite simple: drugs north, and unskilled poor people as well, guns and money south. A nice system they have there. It would be too bad if anything were to happen to it, now, wouldn’t it?
With Sleepy Joe and the chinese at the helm, I can imagine the new “pathways” of goods, people, monty, soon to be fine tuned.

Keep America drugged, disarmed, unempolyed, and masked, and some amazing things can get done by that team.

Lt.Dan
Lt.Dan
1 month ago

edited photo. some of barrels on the first bottom row are going though the stocks of the rifles on the second row. second row of rifles look like they might be floating. i don’t know maybe not. but the pic looks weird

RoyD
RoyD
1 month ago
Reply to  Lt.Dan

I suggest you get your eyes checked. The “second row” are at an angle because they have their butts on a lower level and the upper part on a raised level. Of course, perhaps just drinking less or spending less time with the pipe might improve your deductive powers just a little bit.