ATF Report Smearing Home Gunmakers Shows Big Failure By 2A Supporters

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Hollywood/United States – -(AmmoLand.com)- Second Amendment supporters are rightly offended by the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives report that the Second Amendment Foundation recently blew the whistle. The internal ATF e-mail smeared those who make their own firearms. If anything, it shows the Biden-Harris regime has a blatant disregard for our Second Amendment rights.

But it also represents, in one way, a massive failure by pro-Second Amendment groups and Second Amendment supporters across the board. In the past 35 years, we have greatly improved the situation overall. We went from few states even offering a fair system for concealed carry to 20 states going to constitutional carry. We’ve seen the Supreme Court set the groundwork for ultimately upholding rulings like those of Judge Benitez, especially with a pro-Second Amendment majority on the court – not counting Chief Justice Roberts.

But much of this may not matter. Why? Because Bloomberg and his stooges have been left to spread anti-Second Amendment extremism via pop culture. Let’s take one metric into account: The NRA has about 840,000 followers on Twitter. The Second Amendment Foundation has a bit over 32,000. GOA has a little under 196,000. This site has just under 83,000.

Kim Kardashian, who used a Celebrity Family Feud appearance to raise money for Bloomberg’s Everytown anti-Second Amendment extremist group, has just under 70 million followers. To put that into perspective, that is anywhere from 12 to 14 times the number of members the NRA, the largest pro-Second Amendment organization, has (depending on estimates). Alyssa Milano, who has engaged in plenty of anti-Second Amendment extremism, has about 3.6 million followers, or more than twice the membership of GOA (1.5 million, give or take). They are not the only folks in Hollywood/pop culture attacking our rights, either. Even CMT has signed on with Bloomberg’s bull.

Put it this way, while we rightly fought in the political/legislative arena, our enemies – and yes, the anti-Second Amendment extremists like Bloomberg and the politicians he backs are enemies – went to work with pop culture. In essence, Hollywood provides portrayals of firearm use that are unrealistic when used by heroes (just about any “gun-fu” flick violates basic firearms safety rules), but which are often peddling blood libels when it comes to private ownership.

And it matters. The fact of the matter is that pop culture matters. When the fight for our freedoms is becoming a full-spectrum fight that includes pop culture, corporate boardrooms, Silicon Valley cubicles, and even your doctor’s office, Second Amendment supporters need to play some serious catch-up for the court rulings to have a fighting chance.


About Harold Hutchison

Writer Harold Hutchison has more than a dozen years of experience covering military affairs, international events, U.S. politics and Second Amendment issues. Harold was consulting senior editor at Soldier of Fortune magazine and is the author of the novel Strike Group Reagan. He has also written for the Daily Caller, National Review, Patriot Post, Strategypage.com, and other national websites.Harold Hutchison

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JohnLloydScharf
JohnLloydScharf
28 days ago

Anyone with a welder and a hacksaw can make a machinegun. Anyone with hair bleach and fingernail polish can make a primer or an explosive. A shepherd’s staff and a lump of lead can be used as a terrorist’s silenced device to give your lighter made into a hand grenade some range. Of course, I am just going by information available online. I have not created those illegal weapons/explosives. There are about 338 million guns owned by 131 million citizens while the government claiming to protect them only has 4 million armed agents of which less than 1 million are… Read more »

Pa John
Pa John
28 days ago

Here is a DuckDuckGo search for “celebrities buy fake followers”: https://duckduckgo.com/?q=celebrities+buy+fake+followers&atb=v256-1&ia=web As you will quickly see, Facebook / Twitter / Google is not real life, and it is to our tremendous advantage that the democrat party is now effectively held hostage by those who believe it is. They are trapped in a false alternative reality of their own political devising, and now must continue to pretend their fiction is real in order to please their base, no matter how idiotic it makes them look to the rest of the world. “Bot” – algorithmic software that simulates the actions of large… Read more »

Wolfpack98
Wolfpack98
28 days ago

OMG…where did this author learn to write?!? Has a big headline stating 2A failures and by the 2nd paragraph has completely destroyed his own headline. GD clickbait.
Who gives a rats patootie about social media morons. And everyone knows why NRA doesn’t have more followers, they are a bunch of arse-hats. That’s why I refuse to join them.

Batch
Batch
27 days ago
Reply to  Wolfpack98

Because those “media morons” can influence a lot of non-gun people against us. Wouldn’t it be nice if those morons were at least neutral, or promoting guns in a more positive light?

I would rather the general public argue about what shade of OD green a handguard should be, instead of if handguards for AR15’s should be banned or not.

Flatrock
Flatrock
28 days ago

I refuse to use Twitter or Facebook after the crash they have pulled.
Joining organizations with membership fees and donating to them means a lot more that clicking follow or like in a social networking app.
I agree that we need to be active in our support, but not by supporting antigun and antirights social media platforms.

Roland T. Gunner
Roland T. Gunner
28 days ago

I started reading. Then stopped, and asked myself, who is writing this? Harold?

Don
Don
27 days ago

Harold is OK.

JSNMGC
JSNMGC
27 days ago
Reply to  Don

If a law is passed requiring people to turn their semiautomatic rifles in to the government, should people follow the law?

Should enforcers enforce that law against certain people if they are ordered to do so?

Finnky
Finnky
27 days ago
Reply to  JSNMGC

Unfortunately “should” and “would” often differ. Easy for us to say they should not. Whether they would or not is a somewhat more complicated question with very complicated answers.

JSNMGC
JSNMGC
27 days ago
Reply to  Finnky

Should they enforce registration laws? Should they enforce confiscation laws? Should they enforce laws to herd people onto box cars? There is a line and saying it’s “easy for us to say they should not” is dangerous. There is a line and absolving the enforcers of their personal responsibility to not act like the enforcers of Mao, Stalin, Hitler, Pol Pot, etc. is not asking too much. Don never finished the conversation that was started quite some time ago. Pensions are powerful things to people who are terrified of working in the private sector. What a shock when they find… Read more »

RoyD
RoyD
26 days ago
Reply to  JSNMGC

The thing about being a “one trick pony” is that after a while people will find something else to entertain them. This is worse when your “trick” is not always the truth. Just saying.

Don
Don
27 days ago
Reply to  JSNMGC

I think it won’t happen. The courts will be involved. I’d answer sooner but I am in a new brace.

JSNMGC
JSNMGC
27 days ago
Reply to  Don

You didn’t answer, but there is no law that says you have to.

A lot has happened and the courts were useless.

A lot more is clearly on the way.

In previous conversations, your view was that non-government employees should obey laws and enforcers should enforce any law they feel like enforcing or any law they are ordered to enforce. Clearly, enforcers also obey orders to not enforce laws against certain people.

I don’t know what percent of enforcers are good (and I support all of the good ones), but there sure are a lot of vocal bad ones.

Batch
Batch
27 days ago
Reply to  JSNMGC

They should resist. It would be a lot easier (if the conversation even got that far) if the “media morons” were arguing for us, instead of against.

JSNMGC
JSNMGC
27 days ago
Reply to  Batch

I asked Don that because during a previous conversation he indicated people should obey laws and enforcers should enforce all laws they are ordered to enforce (of course, they also enforce all laws against people they don’t like – no orders required). There are also thousands of examples of enforcers not enforcing laws they are ordered to not enforce against certain people (and, of course, they also don’t enforce laws against people they like or people they fear). He indicated if there were a law that required all semiautomatic rifles to be registered, people should follow the law and enforcers… Read more »

JohnLloydScharf
JohnLloydScharf
27 days ago
Reply to  JSNMGC

If Harold shows the ATF wrote a “Report Smearing Home Gunmakers” and makes the argument they so bold because we failed,” where is he wrong?

Russn8r
Russn8r
26 days ago

Care to translate that scharf into English?

JohnLloydScharf
JohnLloydScharf
26 days ago
Reply to  Russn8r

You obviously do not comprehend the language.

Last edited 26 days ago by JohnLloydScharf
JSNMGC
JSNMGC
26 days ago

You’re talking to the wrong guy. I don’t read Harold’s articles.

I’m just here for the conversation with Don.

JohnLloydScharf
JohnLloydScharf
26 days ago
Reply to  JSNMGC

You just lied. I responded to your comment to Finnky that started,”Should they enforce registration laws? Should they enforce confiscation laws?”

The whole topic began with Harold’s articles. I get it, though. You are trolling Don; with no respect for the topics, logic, or civility.

JSNMGC
JSNMGC
26 days ago

No John, I didn’t lie.

I saw Don’s comment on the recent comments section. I clicked on it and came to this thread to ask him those questions as a follow-up to a conversation from quite some time ago.

Don
Don
26 days ago
Reply to  JSNMGC

Isn’t the compliance in NY about 2%?

JSNMGC
JSNMGC
26 days ago
Reply to  Don

I believe it’s low.

Batch
Batch
27 days ago
Reply to  Don

I agree. Too many people here who think every problem can be solved with a hammer.
Loose nail? hammer
leaky pipe? hammer
hole in a tire? hammer

Harold is at least trying to let people know not to loose sight of a bigger strategy.

Arizona
Arizona
27 days ago

Harold is a paid promoter for the NRA, that hypocritical institution which on the one hand talks about protecting gun rights, and on the other has actively supported and even coauthored bills which subvert the 2nd. They supported every single gun control bill passed by Congress. The only thing they did to improve the NFA was to ask that handguns be removed, while they simultaneously pushed for licenses to be required. Harold tries to tell 2A supporters what they “must do”, how they “failed” and how no matter what, they NEED to financially support Wayne LaPiere and his family vacations,… Read more »

Don
Don
27 days ago
Reply to  Arizona

Harold is OK.

Henry Bowman
Henry Bowman
28 days ago

GFY, Harold! There’s no failure from the 2A community.

In case you missed it, the Jiao Xiden regime is labeling ALL conservatives, Christians, Trump voters, gun owners, patriots, and libertarians as domestic terrorists, violent extremists, and criminals. It’s called marginalization and the enemies of liberty have been doing this for quite some time.

Also: Stop shilling for the NRA, Little Quisling Harold. We are QUITE SICK of your pandering for Negotiating Rights Away!

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estim8ing
estim8ing
28 days ago
Reply to  Henry Bowman

I up voted you but I disagree that there IS a failure of the 2A community in the way we communicate rights issues. Many fall into the trap of allowing the Marxist Left to define the narrative. i.e.. Using the term “weapon” vs. “firearm” or “gun violence” vs. simply “violence”. I am not endorsing this site but here is a pretty run down on 2A PC terminology.

https://www.buckeyefirearms.org/politically-corrected-glossary-terms-about-guns-and-right-bear-arms

Roland T. Gunner
Roland T. Gunner
28 days ago
Reply to  estim8ing

The failure of the 2nd Smendment community is in all the “gun owners” who start with “I even own a gun, but.. ” the duck hunters and deer hunters who scoff at AR-15’s. The much less conservative suburban or coastal dweller who somehow found themselves in posession of a .38 snubbie from somewhere, and think that enables them to “get it”. That duck hunter needs to stuff that 28″ 870 back in the closet; and that urban schmuck needs to drop that rusty old RG revolver in the East River, acquire an AR-15, and stop being part of the problem.

estim8ing
estim8ing
28 days ago

I agree but still will argue that, “they” that define the narrative, also hold sway on voters and law makers. The validity of voting or politicians not withstanding. Ignorant people, firearm owning or not, need to hear the correct terminology from us, BOR loving web authors, radio and news broadcasters. Marxists know that the education and media systems are the best way for their authoritarian religion to thrive. All I am suggesting is that we can “unknowingly” be part of the problem by the words we use.

Arizona
Arizona
28 days ago
Reply to  estim8ing

True. We must NOT let them define the Narrative, redefine our language, co-opt our words, or be the only source of info.

If we adopt their terminology, we start off on defense. Instead, we should just keep using the right words and educate all we interact with.

Tionico
Tionico
28 days ago

the duck hunters and deer hunters who scoff at AR-15’s.

well, ya cani’t use an AR to hund deer OR duck. So what’s yourproblem? I dont own an AR either. Just don’t like them. I do own plenty of otehr stuff taht does just fine. Plinking to super long range “reach WAY ouy t and touch someone” shooting. Suitable to enough to drop bears, or elephants or sage rats or housebreakers.

Jim
Jim
28 days ago
Reply to  Tionico

Laughs in 6.5 Grendel, 6.8 SPC, .300 Blackout, .350 Legend and .458 Bushmaster.

JohnLloydScharf
JohnLloydScharf
27 days ago
Reply to  Tionico

Other than arbitrary laws, why can’t you use an AR/.223 to shoot deer or ducks? Is this nonsense sarcasm? The 2nd Amendment is not about hunting. It is about stopping invasions or tyranny. Personally, I prefer the penetrating power of the 7.62×39 for a rifle. I can afford additional rifle options of .22LR, 22 mag, .223, and .308. I would only make .223, 38 Special, and 12 the mandatory minimum for every citizen. We would not be the first to mandate being armed, but the government should provide the arms, ammo, and practice range. I would urge/advise the ownership of… Read more »

RoyD
RoyD
27 days ago

Is there no end to the bilge that comes from your mind?

JohnLloydScharf
JohnLloydScharf
27 days ago
Reply to  RoyD

You sound like an anonymous troll intent of provoking readers into displaying emotional responses, or manipulating their perception with your inflammatory, insincere, digressive, extraneous, and off-topic comment. Your denial, dishonesty, and deflection are indisputably incontrovertibly conspicuously crystal clear-cut. You spout the same old narrative of endless inbred bloggers playing the telephone game with factoids and never-do-well high school dropouts who never learned how to discipline their thinking with facts or logic.

RoyD
RoyD
26 days ago

So, you are capable of seeing yourself in a mirror after all.

Russn8r
Russn8r
27 days ago

“The 2nd Amendment is not about hunting. It is about stopping invasions or tyranny.”

You say it’s about stopping tyranny. But the other side of your mouth claims it’s our Christian duty to OBEY the rulers, all of whom are allegedly appointed by God…and if we question your interpretation of “The” Bible, we’re blasphemers.

Speaking of blasphemy. What is this, 1517? Should we be burned at the stake for questioning authority?

JohnLloydScharf
JohnLloydScharf
27 days ago
Reply to  Russn8r

I do not claim to speak for G_D. You do when you claim He gave you rights. NOR do I equate questioning with disobeying. I did not claim you were Christian or had a duty to anything. You blaspheme when you claim to speak for HIM. It is the offense of speaking sacrilegiously about God or sacred things; profane talk. DO NOT PUT WORDS IN MY MOUTH. I am no more happy about it than G_D may be. I certainly did not claim to be the Holy Spirit to interpret the Scriptures for you; like you did. I cited the… Read more »

Russn8r
Russn8r
27 days ago

Too many strawmen in that schart.

Arizona
Arizona
27 days ago

Johnnyboy, all this diarrhea of your mouth sounds like an anonymous troll intent on provoking readers into displaying emotional responses, or manipulating their perception with your inflammatory, insincere, digressive, extraneous, and off-topic comments. Your denial, dishonesty, and deflection are indisputably, incontrovertibly, AND conspicuously crystal clear-cut. You spout the same old narrative of endless inbred bloggers playing the telephone game with factoids and never-do-well high school dropouts who never learned how to discipline their thinking with facts or logic. And beyond the same old cut-and-paste you use for anyone who disagrees with your bs, your arrogance has no foundation in reality.… Read more »

Don
Don
27 days ago

5.56MM out penetrates 7.62mm on steel.

JohnLloydScharf
JohnLloydScharf
27 days ago
Reply to  Don

No. Not in testing of standard rounds according to several Youtube videos. Not through cars.
Not through cinder block.
And not through ballistic gel.
The AR15 penetrates 36 centimeters of gel
The AK47 penetrates 74 centimeters of gel.
The last was according to PATTERNS OF MILITARY RIFLE BULLETS
(by Martin L. Fackler)
The AR15 goes through 2250 pages of paper.
The AK47 goes through 2550 pages of paper.
That was from a YouTube video.

Don
Don
27 days ago

I said steel. Railroad tie plates. A 5.56mm pokes a hole at 100 yards, 7.62x39mm at 30 yards. Fackler also stated that the 5.56mm left more devastating wounds with M193. He was a combat surgeon in Vietnam. Penetration is not always a good thing. Fackler also said 7.62x51mm left wounds like a 9mm in tissue. Yet it penetrates a long ways.
I was a member of Fackler’s IWBA, by personal invitation of Fackler.

Last edited 27 days ago by Don
Russn8r
Russn8r
27 days ago
Reply to  Don

Penetration is not always a good thing.” I’ll bet that’s not what you tell Lucky Pierre LaPew!

JohnLloydScharf
JohnLloydScharf
27 days ago
Reply to  Russn8r

Vulgarity is not a substitute for facts or logic.

What he/she/it alludes to is the prevailing assumption you have to do great damage to tissue to stop an aggressor. Even bird shot penetrates.

Many aggressors are stopped with wounds in non-vital organs, but all start with penetration and a .22 long has been known to kill a record sized grizzly.

However, even a few of those with a shot in the heart have been known to go on to kill before dying.

Only a shot destroying the medulla oblongata is an immediate stop with 100% certainty in a mammal.

Russn8r
Russn8r
27 days ago

Hey Schart, were you this big of a boring ass sanctimonious pill to prisoners when you were a guard? Clearly an 8th Amendment violation.

Last edited 27 days ago by Russn8r
JohnLloydScharf
JohnLloydScharf
26 days ago
Reply to  Russn8r

You sound like an anonymous troll intent of provoking readers into displaying emotional responses, or manipulating their perception with your inflammatory, insincere, digressive, extraneous, and off-topic comment. Your denial, dishonesty, and deflection are indisputably incontrovertibly conspicuously crystal clear-cut. You spout the same old narrative of endless inbred bloggers playing the telephone game with factoids and never-do-well high school dropouts who never learned how to discipline their thinking with facts or logic.

Don
Don
27 days ago
Reply to  Russn8r

Over-penetration is a waste. Look at the recommended FBI pistol depths. A lesser depth on 5.56mm is due to the increased tissue damage. 7.62x39mm leaves lesser wounds. Especially the PS loading.

Russn8r
Russn8r
27 days ago
Reply to  Don

Over-penetration is a waste.”
I doubt that’s what you tell Wayne.

JohnLloydScharf
JohnLloydScharf
27 days ago
Reply to  Don

You said “steel” and you are wrong. You are an anonymous troll who is a coward regarding your own identity, so, you have zero credibility. Penetration is everything when you are going through steel doors of a car and plainly after passing through a car, an AK has far more energy left over compared to an AR. I have seen it demonstrated. My opinion originally came from an arms show on AHC comparing how it would work on a model of a typical fortified position held in Afghanistan. You sound like an anonymous troll intent of provoking readers into displaying… Read more »

Russn8r
Russn8r
27 days ago

Troll says troll.

JohnLloydScharf
JohnLloydScharf
26 days ago
Reply to  Russn8r

You sound like an anonymous troll intent of provoking readers into displaying emotional responses, or manipulating their perception with your inflammatory, insincere, digressive, extraneous, and off-topic comment. Your denial, dishonesty, and deflection are indisputably incontrovertibly conspicuously crystal clear-cut. You spout the same old narrative of endless inbred bloggers playing the telephone game with factoids and never-do-well high school dropouts who never learned how to discipline their thinking with facts or logic.

Don
Don
27 days ago

When shooting a rr tie plate the 5.56mm due to velocity goes through when a 7.62×39 leaves a dent. Even with the PS (steel core) load. I had to get to 30 yards to get it to punch a hole. 3,000 FPS beats 2350 FPS. I’VE DONE IT. You haven’t Yes. A car body will be defeated better by the PS load. Going to shooting people is a different story. Penetration like the PS is undesirable. The M855 with the penetrater did not perform well. The M855A1 causes more tissue damage. You’re a p***k.

JohnLloydScharf
JohnLloydScharf
26 days ago
Reply to  Don

Prove your claim.

Don
Don
26 days ago
Reply to  Tionico

You can use .223 to hunt deer in Idaho.

Russn8r
Russn8r
26 days ago
Reply to  Don

Wow!!! 223??? Oooooh… Ahhhhh… Bet you miss practicing “Morse Code” with Larry Craig. Probably still go to NRA “board” meetings for that…

JohnLloydScharf
JohnLloydScharf
28 days ago
Reply to  estim8ing

REALITY ORIENTATION: If the 2A community were a success, no gun law could exist.

JohnLloydScharf
JohnLloydScharf
27 days ago

I have to chuckle at the brazen failure to prove the 2A community a success regarding gun laws. More denial, dishonesty, and deflection. Most of you have never even written your legislature or member in Congress, much less testified in person. I have. I suspect the majority of you never gave a dime to 2A organizations. All you have is lip service. Some say “talk is cheap.’ My Dad said, “Wish in one hand and spit in the other. See which one gets full first.” I never confused failure for success like you claim. Pathetic downvotes with no argument I… Read more »

Henry Bowman
Henry Bowman
27 days ago
Reply to  estim8ing

If there’s a failure, it’s not the 2A community as a whole as Little Quisling Harold claims, or as you say… IT IS THE FUDDS AMONG US WHO ARE THE FAILURE.

Russn8r
Russn8r
26 days ago
Reply to  Henry Bowman

Excellent point. They’re not 2A.

swmft
swmft
28 days ago
Reply to  Henry Bowman

wood and steal old school and with obiden and obummer we are the laughing stocks of the world dumb people down and they will vote for free shi- things over freedom
and how did it come to be dumb down when dumb is inability to speak and stupid or addle brained is true to fact

Last edited 28 days ago by swmft
JohnLloydScharf
JohnLloydScharf
28 days ago
Reply to  Henry Bowman

If the 2A community were a success, there would be no NFA. Get real.

JohnLloydScharf
JohnLloydScharf
27 days ago

Prove the 2A community was a success, downvoters.

Don
Don
27 days ago
Reply to  Henry Bowman

GFY, Henry

Don
Don
27 days ago
Reply to  Henry Bowman

Harold is OK.

Batch
Batch
27 days ago
Reply to  Henry Bowman

Why is using the NRA as a benchmark, where we had a good estimate of the number of members, to compare against how many members other popular groups have, “shilling for the NRA”. z

He also mentioned the GOA. is he shilling for them as well? Or is he trying to communicate a strategy we could use to help get more of the general public on our side?

Jaque
Jaque
28 days ago

Get some big name talent on our side and the follower counts can rise. But the hollywood faces that are pro gun are dead or dying. Charlton Heston was the last big name in the gun world. Who is it today ? The gay guy from Top Shot ? Hardly a name you want to grow your followers

Talent can be bought. Talent can be made. But no one in the gun industry or lobby has taken that on.

JohnLloydScharf
JohnLloydScharf
27 days ago
Reply to  Jaque

“Follower counts” are meaningless. So are absolutes true that begin with .”…no one in the industry…” Regarding gays, every minority has a reason to be armed more than you. Most of them do not have encouragement or training because of people like you. Trolls hiding behind a fake profile picture of Sterling Hayden as Brigadier General Jack D. Ripper, in an absurd farce about an accidental nuclear war are hardly credible. Stop pretending something you are not and hiding behind fake names. The “gun industry or lobby” is LOSING. Only the Courts count and that is a fact. In 1770, Adams… Read more »

CourageousLion
CourageousLion
28 days ago

What 2nd amendment supporters need to do is take the stance Patrick Henry took. I don’t care if EVERYONE on the planet decided that I shouldn’t own something called a firearm for my protect. I would see how many of them that I could eliminate if they came for them. Because HOW would they come for them? WITH GUNS!

JohnLloydScharf
JohnLloydScharf
27 days ago
Reply to  CourageousLion

I am a great fan of Patrick Henry, but he took the money rather than getting the powder returned.  In the “Gunpowder Incident,” Patrick Henry led a small militia force toward Williamsburg to force return of the gunpowder to the colony’s control. The matter was resolved without conflict when a payment of £330 was made to Henry. PATRICK HENRY ACCEPTED A “BUY-BACK.” I am a fan of Patrick Henry because he rejected the Constitution. Prove Patrick Henry’s prophesy wrong when he said: “This Constitution is said to have beautiful features, but when I come to examine these features, sir, they appear to me… Read more »

JimmyS
JimmyS
29 days ago

“…NRA, the largest pro-Second Amendment organization…”

GFY, Harold. Does a long history of kicking dogs make someone pro-pet ownership?

Russn8r
Russn8r
27 days ago
Reply to  JimmyS

LOL. Ditto. GFY, Harold. How’s LaPierre taste today?

Don
Don
27 days ago
Reply to  Russn8r

The beat up Harold crap is from dumb people.

JSNMGC
JSNMGC
27 days ago
Reply to  Don

Are people who follow all orders to enforce any law against certain people, smart?

Finnky
Finnky
27 days ago
Reply to  JSNMGC

Unfortunately when not doing so will cost the job that provides for their children – yes. I would argue shortsighted, but with immediate needs yes they are being moderately “smart.”

The smart thing is not always the right thing to do. People generally don’t focus on doing the “right” thing, they focus on convincing themselves that their choices have been “right.”

JSNMGC
JSNMGC
27 days ago
Reply to  Finnky

Again, Don (the former enforcer who retired to a somewhat “free state”) never finished the conversation.

People like Don expect people to thank him for his service no matter what he does (did).

That is not the way this is going to go forward.

Don
Don
27 days ago
Reply to  JSNMGC

I couldn’t care less about getting thanks for my service. I think the people abusing Harold are idiots.

JSNMGC
JSNMGC
27 days ago
Reply to  Don

I couldn’t care less about Harold.

I do care about enforcers who will follow orders to enforce any law.

Russn8r
Russn8r
27 days ago
Reply to  Don

You look sad in that picture, Harold. Did Wayne cut back your shill payola?

Last edited 27 days ago by Russn8r
Russn8r
Russn8r
27 days ago
Reply to  Finnky

Anyone who doesn’t take the oath seriously should resign. We certainly shouldn’t be paying them to “protect” us.

JSNMGC
JSNMGC
27 days ago
Reply to  Russn8r

There are plenty of people in the private sector who get fired for doing the right thing. Enforcers should be held to a much higher standard (not a lower one like Finnky suggests), given the power they hold to ruin/end people’s lives.

Based on his prior posts, I’m surprised Finnky wrote that response the way he did. Maybe he was in a hurry and just didn’t completely communicate his position.

JohnLloydScharf
JohnLloydScharf
27 days ago
Reply to  JSNMGC

People who get fired for the right thing are more often never heard from again. Enforcers are rarely held to any standard. I am impressed by the insight of:
People generally don’t focus on doing the “right” thing, they focus on convincing themselves that their choices have been ‘right.'”

Such an observation is the right thing to reveal because it is the hard reality…. and he will be hammered for it.

Don
Don
27 days ago
Reply to  JSNMGC

Harold is a good writer.

JSNMGC
JSNMGC
27 days ago
Reply to  Don

Don,

Please make sure all your neighbors know what you used to do for a living and that you believe all non-government employees should follow all future laws and that you believe all enforcers should follow all orders to enforce any laws against certain people (and, of course, follow all orders to not enforce laws against certain people).

The good people of Idaho deserve to know their neighbor.

Last edited 27 days ago by JSNMGC
Russn8r
Russn8r
27 days ago
Reply to  Don

Anyone else remember when NRA could afford high quality shills? If Don’s all they can afford, it truly is GAME OVER! So sad.

Don
Don
27 days ago
Reply to  Russn8r

YOU and others are really clueless about me. Just because Harold is abused for his good writing, i get abused defending him. Many of the complainers are simple minded fools.

Russn8r
Russn8r
27 days ago
Reply to  Don

Whatever Waynie-poo’s paying you is too much.

JohnLloydScharf
JohnLloydScharf
27 days ago
Reply to  JSNMGC

People who violate the law get removed from society. I have it on good authority “Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient Causes; and accordingly all Experience hath shewn, that Mankind are more disposed to suffer, while Evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed.” Prudence is saying “Nice Doggie” while holding a big stick. I was once bit three times by a dog as I fed it, before putting it down. Are you advocating an insurrection with lethal weapons because you assume… Read more »

JSNMGC
JSNMGC
27 days ago

Some people who violate some laws are removed from society for various amounts of time.

No, I am not advocating insurrection or any of the other things you make up. You have a wild imagination.

I’m pointing out that most totalitarian societies used government employees to enforce laws that became increasingly egregious. Perhaps if more people stopped fawning over enforcers and thought more about the relationship between people who make bad laws and the people who enforce them, we would be better off.

JohnLloydScharf
JohnLloydScharf
26 days ago
Reply to  JSNMGC

Then, obviously, your original ranting has no relationship to reality having to do with any change at all. If reason entered what you claimed then you imply insurrection. I responded to your “There are plenty of people in the private sector who get fired for doing the right thing,” comment. In reference you this instant comment, ALL people violate laws. There are 10,000 plus felonies in the US Code alone. In THIS comment alone, you put the US into the category of “totalitarian.” So, you are just whining. ALL societies use employees to enforce laws with become increasingly egregious. Laws… Read more »

Don
Don
26 days ago
Reply to  JSNMGC

Idaho is a sanctuary state. I think they will go to court to fight Biden.

Heed the Call-up
Heed the Call-up
27 days ago
Reply to  JimmyS

Apparently, Don is either an NRA/Harold shill or is Harold.

Don
Don
27 days ago

Neither

Russn8r
Russn8r
27 days ago

Harold becomes “Don” when Wayne’s arm is up him working his meat puppet controls.

Batch
Batch
27 days ago
Reply to  JimmyS

How short sighted are people? Can you even see your own toes?

He was using the NRA as a benchmark to compare against other social media groups. In that even as large as the NRA is, which is recognized as one of the bigger groups (regardless of how people feel about the drain Lapierre) other groups on social media are even bigger. And we should strive to have that kind of influence.

Why are strategic observations like this so hard for people to understand?

JohnLloydScharf
JohnLloydScharf
27 days ago
Reply to  JimmyS

The NRA takes all the flack for fighting for the inalienable self-evident right to self defense from the Marxist Socialist Media and the Democratic Party. When they fail, they blame the NRA, not some troll with the fake anonymous name of Jimmy S. Stand UP or lay DOWN on an opinion piece. You are not going to be noticed. NRA is the MAN IN THE ARENA: “It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the… Read more »

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Russn8r
Russn8r
26 days ago

What a load of bull. The vampires who run the NRA are not the NRA. They’re the man pocketing our money and running the NRA into the ground.

JohnLloydScharf
JohnLloydScharf
26 days ago
Reply to  Russn8r

 Your denial, dishonesty, and deflection are indisputably incontrovertibly conspicuously crystal clear-cut. You spout the same old narrative of endless inbred bloggers playing the telephone game with factoids and never-do-well high school dropouts who never learned how to discipline their thinking with facts or logic.

Russn8r
Russn8r
26 days ago

Weak deflection, Scharfy. Try harder.

Arizona
Arizona
29 days ago

GFY, Harold.

Don
Don
27 days ago
Reply to  Arizona

GFY, Arizona.

Russn8r
Russn8r
27 days ago
Reply to  Don

GFY, Donnie. Or shall I say, Harold…

Last edited 27 days ago by Russn8r
Don
Don
27 days ago
Reply to  Russn8r

Idiot.

Russn8r
Russn8r
27 days ago
Reply to  Don

Awww! Don’t be like that, Harold.

Last edited 27 days ago by Russn8r