Sixth Circuit Bails-Out ATF

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The ATF is up to their gun-banning tricks again. IMG NRA-ILA

U.S.A. -(AmmoLand.com)- Last week, the Sixth Circuit failed to achieve the majority necessary to correct the ATF’s shifting classifications of bump stocks as “machine guns.” NRA-ILA’s amicus brief opposed the ATF’s legal authority to arbitrarily criminalize legal firearms. Because the judges split 8-8, the flawed bump stock rule is being reinstated.

This is only one of several challenges supported by NRA-ILA. In September, ILA also filed an amicus brief in the Supreme Court in another case challenging the ATF’s authority to legislate your firearm rights. The Justices will decide whether to hear that case —Aposhian v. Garland—at the Court’s December 10th conference.

Gun owners and Second Amendment supporters recognize the importance of these cases and why they implicate much more than bump stocks. The underlying issue is whether the ATF can usurp Congress’s exclusive authority to criminalize American firearm rights. NRA-ILA argues against such sweeping ATF authority.

While ILA is disappointed in the Sixth Circuit’s failure to achieve a proper majority on this important topic, we remain hopeful that the Supreme Court will rectify this error by accepting—and correctly deciding—the Aposhian case. To stay informed about these cases and NRA-ILA’s support of your Constitutional rights, go to www.nraila.org.


About NRA-ILA:

Established in 1975, the Institute for Legislative Action (ILA) is the “lobbying” arm of the National Rifle Association of America. ILA is responsible for preserving the right of all law-abiding individuals in the legislative, political, and legal arenas, to purchase, possess, and use firearms for legitimate purposes as guaranteed by the Second Amendment to the U.S. Constitution. Visit: www.nra.org

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JPM

So, if this had been a victory for gun owners the NRA-ILA (LaPierre’s bitches) would be claiming responsibility for it, but since it didn’t happen, they are not accepting any blame for their failed efforts. Must be nice to always be on the side of the angels in both victory and defeat. Nice going Wayne.

JSNMGC

“The Obama Administration a couple years ago approves this device called a ‘bump stock’ — if you take a look at it, I mean, any look at it, it takes a semi-automatic firearm and makes it perform like a fully-automatic firearm. It makes it function like one. And what the NRA has said is we ought to take a look at that, see if it’s in compliance with federal law and if it’s worthy of additional regulation,” LaPierre told Sean Hannity of Fox News. “The NRA believes that devices designed to allow semi-automatic rifles to function like fully-automatic rifles should… Read more »

Henry Bowman

I keep telling people how rotten at the core the NRA is, and like fudds, they keep parroting NRA talking points. Unless you’re willingly blind and deaf, I cannot see how any rational gun owner is OK with the NRA selling us down the river!

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JSNMGC

There was a large group of people who once thought:

  • The NRA is fighting for our rights;
  • Republican politicians are pro 2nd Amendment, want a smaller & better government, and don’t want people living in the U.S. illegally; and
  • 99.9% of law enforcement are heros and support civil rights.

Slowly, some of those people have been coming around.

Will

Nobody is coming around to your way of thinking esp.about the police. But then you knew that already.

JSNMGC

Will – 12/6/21:

“Nobody is coming around to your way of thinking esp.about the police. But then you knew that already.”

Reply to Will (“TEX” et al.):

Many people who post here don’t believe that 99.9% of police are heroes and support civil rights. It’s not that they came around to my way of thinking, they reached that conclusion by paying attention.

Do you believe that 99.9% of police are heroes and support civil rights?

Russn8r

Murdered by cops, who got away with it scott free. But you won’t say his name.

Wild Bill

It is fairly difficult to say Daniel Shaver’s or anyone else’s name when we are limited to the writer word.
Neither is the saying nor writing of someone’s name a magic talisman.

Russn8r

Translation: Wild Bill couldn’t give a crap less about victims of police abuse.

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Wild Bill

Putting words in other people’s mouths is one of your many failings.

JSNMGC

I’ll say that every LEO present that day is a vile human being.

JSNMGC

To the extent that is true, it doesn’t help the people whose rights are abused by the x%.

I wouldn’t be suprised if the BATFE has saved some lives and arrested some truly bad people.

Do you think 99.9% of LEOs are heroes and support civil rights?

Wild Bill

I think Tex has not spoken with 99.9% of them. Nor you.
Shall we return to logic, then?

JSNMGC

Oh, I’d like to hear if TEX believes 99.9% of LEOs are heroes and suport civil rights.

He commented on the point I was making.

I’m not asking him to prove anything (obviously) – just his estimate.

Russn8r

That justifies letting you murder innocents with impunity?

Wild Bill

Tex has murdered no one with or without impunity. What an ugly accusation.

Russn8r

Well aren’t you coy today, Will! Nice deflection. No such accusation was made.

Wild Bill

That is precisely what your sentence says in the form of a question. “That justifies letting you murder innocents with impunity?” Please see Practical English Handbook by Watkins, Dillingham, and Martin, ed. 5th.

Russn8r

Bzzz. That’s your forced interpretation. Merry Christmas!

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Wild Bill

Not forced. It is a plain reading of the sentence. Have you ever read a book on how to write. Say it’s name!

Russn8r

“Have you ever read a book on how to write. Say it’s name!”

LOL. Read yourself, smart guy. Dept of Irony

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Wild Bill

I already have. That is how I can cite reference volumes. So, I see that you work in the Department of Ironing. I suspected as much.

Russn8r

Say it’s name!”

LOL

Russn8r

destroy you in ways only he can do”

You mean, in ways only a low-IQ chimp like you can dream of? Is he giving you enough peanuts for your service?

JSNMGC

Ok.

Wild Bill

That is Scot free. Like Scotland, with an upper case S … not someone named Scott.

Russn8r

Ok, Karen. Merry Christmas!

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Stag

That’s where you’re wrong. All you have to do is look at the comments on any social media police post where they brag about violating someone’s 2A rights. The comments have gone from being mostly supportive a few years ago to being mostly critical. It seems a lot of people are seeing the government’s enforcers for exactly what they are. JSNMGC has always been willing and able to back up everything he’s posted on this forum. These aren’t empty claims he’s making. I believe he’s said it before (correct me if I’m wrong here, JSNMGC) that he would back any… Read more »

Will

He is a delusional SOB that makes up his own facts and tries to convince the uninformed like you that he knows what he talking about. He don’t backup up shit except with his own opinion. End.

JSNMGC

Will(@texan)   “He is a delusional SOB that makes up his own facts and tries to convince the uninformed like you that he knows what he talking about. He don’t backup up shit except with his own opinion. End.” Reply to Will (“TEX”): This isn’t a well-deserved reprimand, just an observation: calling me an SOB isn’t civil. I’m certain Stag was both well-informed and had formed his opinion long before I started posting here. You flee from discussions after making emotional, high-level comments and ignore video evidence of bad cops being bad. Good apples could improve the impression of law… Read more »

Russn8r

He don’t backup up”
LOL. Give him a peanut, WB!

Russn8r

“back any officer that honors their oath & refuses to enforce unconstitutional/unjust laws”

That’s the POV of all civilians who want everyone accountable for violent crime.

A symmetrical POV by LEOs barely exists. Most who are otherwise good people protect cops who Just Follow Orders, help federales grab guns & enforce asset forfeiture death warrants. Pretend it doesn’t happen.

We who want justice, for victims & to deter tyranny, are painted as cop-haters. LEOs here can’t even say names like Don Scott & Tony Timpa w/o being sarcastic.

So victimization continues & we’re vulnerable to tyranny – impossible without ENFORCERS.

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JSNMGC

That’s correct – I was one of a handful of “civilians” in a counter protest against 400 BLM/Antifa protestors who marched through a small town (most of them were from outside the area). The BLM/Antifa people were protesting the George Floyd incident. The handful of people I was with was showing support for LEOs. My sign indicated I support all good LEOs. There is a percentage of LEOs who just can’t stand any criticism of other LEOs. They immediately respond with “cop-hater!” or “you must have gotten a ticket.” My views come mainly from: Watching court testimonies; Watching legislative testimonies;… Read more »

Wild Bill

I dunno. His percentages are unsubstantiated and he generalizes often. Maybe we all do. Merry Christmas.

JSNMGC

The percentages were other people’s estimates.

I try to use qualifying language when it makes sense. I’m sure there are times I did not say “some percentage” or “a certain percentage” or “many” or “most.”

Do you have the same “observations” when nrringlee and others talk about corporate executives?

Russn8r

Generalizations can be true. Examples:

You can’t say the names of civilians murdered by cops without deflecting and being sarcastic.

You protect a foul-mouth ex-cop with at least 3 sock puppets, pretend his comments are all civil, pretend not to see his foul attacks when they’re right next to yours.

Wild Bill

And you can not name an educational book that you have read.

Russn8r

For some reason I don’t feel like I need to prove anything to you

Wild Bill

Not for me. You need to prove yourself to be a reasonable person rather than the hate filled, disgorger of vitriolic vomit that many readers see you as.
A great many people down vote you even when you write good things because of your poisonous, vile personality.
But you could overcome it. See Winning Friends and Influencing People, Dale Carnegie

JSNMGC

Did you contact those people to learn their reaons? Do you believe that three of them may be Will? Do you think it is possible that if Russian8R made his points in a way you find civil he would still receive all those downvotes because there is a certain number of ex-government employees who don’t like to be criticized? Did you see the long list of uncivil comments from other people I quoted earler? Do you think someone indicating they would give a month’s salary to abuse their previous power to retaliate against someone is worse than what you are… Read more »

Wild Bill

I did not. But when so many down vote him when he writes good stuff, then I have to go in search of another reason. His insulting methods are a reasonable conclusion.

No. I don’t think that ammoland would let one person have more than one account. If so why not ten, or twenty?

So is it all Will’s many accounts or a number of ex-government employees?

No, you and russ have kept me busy responding.
That question is vague and hard to know what the question really is. Is that a hypothetical?

JSNMGC

Thank you for your responses. “I did not. But when so many down vote him when he writes good stuff, then I have to go in search of another reason. His insulting methods are a reasonable conclusion.” You did not present the comment as a theory or an opinion, you stated it as a fact. I get three immediate downvotes when I write “the sky is blue” and my writing style is more civil than Will/TEX. “So is it all Will’s many accounts or a number of ex-government employees?” It could very well be both. “No, you and russ have… Read more »

JSNMGC

My civil response was put on hold.

JSNMGC

I’ll chop it up.

Part 1

Thank you for your responses.

“I did not. But when so many down vote him when he writes good stuff, then I have to go in search of another reason. His insulting methods are a reasonable conclusion.” You did not present the comment as a theory or an opinion, you stated it as a fact. I get three immediate downvotes when I write “the sky is blue” and my writing style is more civil than Will/TEX.

JSNMGC

Part 2

“So is it all Will’s many accounts or a number of ex-government employees?” It could very well be both.

“No, you and russ have kept me busy responding.” I’ll provide a link.

JSNMGC

Part 3 “That question is vague and hard to know what the question really is. Is that a hypothetical?” We have discussed it before – Will/TEX indicated he would give a months salary to be a LEO again so he could pull me over for a broken tail light, do many things in an effort to escalate the situation so that he would feel justified in lighting me up. As you may be aware, there are two definitions for the phrase “light up” in law enforcement lingo. It is unlikely a reasonable person would believe he meant turn his patrol car… Read more »

JSNMGC

Part 3 was put on hold.

Russn8r

Unlike your chimp’s vile personality. Merry Christmas!

Wild Bill

I have horses, cattle, dogs, and even a tom cat and I have written about them. Where would you ever get the notion that I had a chimpanzee. Have another whiskey. You’ll feel better.

Russn8r

Bedtime For WillTEX. Give him another peanut. He earned it. Happy Channukah, bro!

Will

WB,an educational book that this clown has read? LMFAO! Tried to get the idiot to read “The Little Engine That Could” He tore all the pictures out of the book then ate the covers off it. No more educational books for it.

Russn8r

Calm down, TEX! He already said it’s early feeding time. Your peanuts are on the way! LMFAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Wild Bill

I notice that he declined to name any.

Russn8r

Name all the books you’ve read in the last 10 years, gopher boy.

Wild Bill

That is just silly. How would I protect someone through the internet wires?

Russn8r

You’re so cute when you’re coy! Merry Christmas!

Wild Bill

LOL You have obviously never seen my medical photographs. Oh and Happy Holidays!

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Russn8r

LOL, Happy New Year.

Finnky

TY WB. I immediately thought of photos from my last colonoscopy. Cute certainly does not apply!

Russn8r

Pic should include Lautenberg DVRO disability, promoted Carolyn McCarthy’s Veterans Disarmament, helped Harry Reid “fix” anti-gun Obamacare so it passed by 1 vote, pushed “full enforcement of existing gun laws” aka gun controls.

12.21.07 HR 2640, NRA’s Latest “Victory.”
https://www.oregonfirearms.org/12-21-07-hr-2640-the-nras-latest-victory

NRA openly worked with Brady to pass it.

We commend Congress for strengthening the Brady background check.” -Paul Helmke, Brady Pres

“When NRA & I agree on legislation, you know it’ll become law.” –Schumer

Workman fans, suck this: Dave & Alan helped NRA spin it.
https://www.nraila.org/media/PDFs/workman_hr2640.pdf

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Finnky

But…. but…. but

Haven’t you read Harold’s posts? According to Haroldn, in each case they negotiated the best possible outcome, preventing far more draconian laws.

I think he missed a few parts of negotiator training
1) never negotiate with terrorists
2) know your limits and walk away from unacceptable terms.

If anything NRA has been controlled opposition- turning down the heat just enough to keep the frog in the pot.

Stag

They crawfished on bumpstocks but, as you and I both know, they’re still standing by their support of unconstitutional background checks and “extreme risk protection orders” aka red flag laws. The mental gymnastics it must take for people to hear it straight from the horse’s mouth and still claim the NRA supports the 2A is mind boggling.

https://youtu.be/A8ijtVkTCCQ

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JSNMGC

When you look at the facts, it’s hard to understand how anyone can be duped by them pretending to fight against the very things they helped create.

Orion

if not for our NRA this page, our MSRs and many other firearms would be a footnote in history. while they are not perfect, until i see dems lash out at any other 2A organization, the NRA is the one group socialist dems fear and respect

Stag

Yes, you’ve made it clear many times that you support gun control organizations.

JSNMGC

The NRA (like most Republican politicians) is just paving a longer road to the same destination the “dems” have in mind.

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