Every Mass Shooting Shares One Thing In Common & It’s NOT Weapons

By Dan Roberts

Psychotropic Drugs
Nearly Every Mass Shooting In The Last 20 Years Shares One Thing In Common, & It’s NOT Weapons
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Manasquan, NJ --(Ammoland.com)- Nearly every mass shooting incident in the last twenty years, and multiple other instances of suicide and isolated shootings all share one thing in common, and its not the weapons used.

The overwhelming evidence points to the signal largest common factor in all of these incidents is the fact that all of the perpetrators were either actively taking powerful psychotropic drugs or had been at some point in the immediate past before they committed their crimes.

Multiple credible scientific studies going back more than a decade, as well as internal documents from certain pharmaceutical companies that suppressed the information show that SSRI drugs ( Selective Serotonin Re-Uptake Inhibitors ) have well known, but unreported side effects, including but not limited to suicide and other violent behavior. One need only Google relevant key words or phrases to see for themselves. www.ssristories.com is one popular site that has documented over 4500 “ Mainstream Media “ reported cases from around the World of aberrant or violent behavior by those taking these powerful drugs.

The following list of mass shooting perpetrators and the drugs they were taking or had been taking shortly before their horrific actions was compiled and published to Facebook by John Noveske, founder and owner of Noveske Rifleworks just days before he was mysteriously killed in a single car accident. Is there a link between Noveske’s death and his “outting” of information numerous disparate parties would prefer to suppress, for a variety of reasons ?

I leave that to the individual readers to decide. But there is most certainly a documented history of people who “knew to much” or were considered a “threat” dying under extraordinarily suspicious circumstances.

From Katherine Smith, a Tennessee DMV worker who was somehow involved with several 9/11 hijackers obtaining Tennessee Drivers Licenses, and was later found burned to death in her car, to Pulitzer Prize winning journalist Gary Webb, who exposed a CIA Operation in the 80’s that resulted in the flooding of LA Streets with crack cocaine and was later found dead from two gunshot wounds to the head, but was officially ruled as a “suicide“, to Frank Olson, a senior research micro biologist who was working on the CIA’s mind control research program MKULTRA.

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After Olson expressed his desire to leave the program, he was with a CIA agent in a New York hotel room, and is alleged to have committed “suicide” by throwing himself off the tenth floor balcony. In 1994, Olson’s sons were successful in their efforts to have their fathers body exhumed and re examined in a second autopsy by James Starrs, Professor of Law and Forensic science at the National Law Center at George Washington University. Starr’s team concluded that the blunt force trauma to the head and injury to the chest had not occurred during the fall but most likely in the room before the fall. The evidence was called “rankly and starkly suggestive of homicide.” Based on his findings, in 1996 the Manhattan District Attorney opened a homicide investigation into Olson’s death, but was unable to find enough evidence to bring charges.

As I said, I leave it to the individual readers to make up their own minds if Noveske suffered a similar fate. On to the list of mass shooters and the stark link to psychotropic drugs.

  • Eric Harris age 17 (first on Zoloft then Luvox) and Dylan Klebold aged 18 (Columbine school shooting in Littleton, Colorado), killed 12 students and 1 teacher, and wounded 23 others, before killing themselves. Klebold’s medical records have never been made available to the public.
  • Jeff Weise, age 16, had been prescribed 60 mg/day of Prozac (three times the average starting dose for adults!) when he shot his grandfather, his grandfather’s girlfriend and many fellow students at Red Lake, Minnesota. He then shot himself. 10 dead, 12 wounded.
  • Cory Baadsgaard, age 16, Wahluke (Washington state) High School, was on Paxil (which caused him to have hallucinations) when he took a rifle to his high school and held 23 classmates hostage. He has no memory of the event.
  • Chris Fetters, age 13, killed his favorite aunt while taking Prozac.
  • Christopher Pittman, age 12, murdered both his grandparents while taking Zoloft.
  • Mathew Miller, age 13, hung himself in his bedroom closet after taking Zoloft for 6 days.
  • Kip Kinkel, age 15, (on Prozac and Ritalin) shot his parents while they slept then went to school and opened fire killing 2 classmates and injuring 22 shortly after beginning Prozac treatment.
  • Luke Woodham, age 16 (Prozac) killed his mother and then killed two students, wounding six others.
  • A boy in Pocatello, ID (Zoloft) in 1998 had a Zoloft-induced seizure that caused an armed stand off at his school.
  • Michael Carneal (Ritalin), age 14, opened fire on students at a high school prayer meeting in West Paducah, Kentucky. Three teenagers were killed, five others were wounded..
  • A young man in Huntsville, Alabama (Ritalin) went psychotic chopping up his parents with an ax and also killing one sibling and almost murdering another.
  • Andrew Golden, age 11, (Ritalin) and Mitchell Johnson, aged 14, (Ritalin) shot 15 people, killing four students, one teacher, and wounding 10 others.
  • TJ Solomon, age 15, (Ritalin) high school student in Conyers, Georgia opened fire on and wounded six of his class mates.
  • Rod Mathews, age 14, (Ritalin) beat a classmate to death with a bat.
  • James Wilson, age 19, (various psychiatric drugs) from Breenwood, South Carolina, took a .22 caliber revolver into an elementary school killing two young girls, and wounding seven other children and two teachers.
  • Elizabeth Bush, age 13, (Paxil) was responsible for a school shooting in Pennsylvania
  • Jason Hoffman (Effexor and Celexa) – school shooting in El Cajon, California
  • Jarred Viktor, age 15, (Paxil), after five days on Paxil he stabbed his grandmother 61 times.
  • Chris Shanahan, age 15 (Paxil) in Rigby, ID who out of the blue killed a woman.
  • Jeff Franklin (Prozac and Ritalin), Huntsville, AL, killed his parents as they came home from work using a sledge hammer, hatchet, butcher knife and mechanic’s file, then attacked his younger brothers and sister.
  • Neal Furrow (Prozac) in LA Jewish school shooting reported to have been court-ordered to be on Prozac along with several other medications.
  • Kevin Rider, age 14, was withdrawing from Prozac when he died from a gunshot wound to his head. Initially it was ruled a suicide, but two years later, the investigation into his death was opened as a possible homicide. The prime suspect, also age 14, had been taking Zoloft and other SSRI antidepressants.
  • Alex Kim, age 13, hung himself shortly after his Lexapro prescription had been doubled.
  • Diane Routhier was prescribed Welbutrin for gallstone problems. Six days later, after suffering many adverse effects of the drug, she shot herself.
  • Billy Willkomm, an accomplished wrestler and a University of Florida student, was prescribed Prozac at the age of 17. His family found him dead of suicide – hanging from a tall ladder at the family’s Gulf Shore Boulevard home in July 2002.
  • Kara Jaye Anne Fuller-Otter, age 12, was on Paxil when she hung herself from a hook in her closet. Kara’s parents said “…. the damn doctor wouldn’t take her off it and I asked him to when we went in on the second visit. I told him I thought she was having some sort of reaction to Paxil…”)
  • Gareth Christian, Vancouver, age 18, was on Paxil when he committed suicide in 2002,
  • (Gareth’s father could not accept his son’s death and killed himself.)
  • Julie Woodward, age 17, was on Zoloft when she hung herself in her family’s detached garage.
  • Matthew Miller was 13 when he saw a psychiatrist because he was having difficulty at school. The psychiatrist gave him samples of Zoloft. Seven days later his mother found him dead, hanging by a belt from a laundry hook in his closet.
  • Kurt Danysh, age 18, and on Prozac, killed his father with a shotgun. He is now behind prison bars, and writes letters, trying to warn the world that SSRI drugs can kill.
  • Woody ____, age 37, committed suicide while in his 5th week of taking Zoloft. Shortly before his death his physician suggested doubling the dose of the drug. He had seen his physician only for insomnia. He had never been depressed, nor did he have any history of any mental illness symptoms.
  • A boy from Houston, age 10, shot and killed his father after his Prozac dosage was increased.
  • Hammad Memon, age 15, shot and killed a fellow middle school student. He had been diagnosed with ADHD and depression and was taking Zoloft and “other drugs for the conditions.”
  • Matti Saari, a 22-year-old culinary student, shot and killed 9 students and a teacher, and wounded another student, before killing himself. Saari was taking an SSRI and a benzodiazapine.
  • Steven Kazmierczak, age 27, shot and killed five people and wounded 21 others before killing himself in a Northern Illinois University auditorium. According to his girlfriend, he had recently been taking Prozac, Xanax and Ambien. Toxicology results showed that he still had trace amounts of Xanax in his system.
  • Finnish gunman Pekka-Eric Auvinen, age 18, had been taking antidepressants before he killed eight people and wounded a dozen more at Jokela High School – then he committed suicide.
  • Asa Coon from Cleveland, age 14, shot and wounded four before taking his own life. Court records show Coon was on Trazodone.
  • Jon Romano, age 16, on medication for depression, fired a shotgun at a teacher in his
  • New York high school.

Missing from list… 3 of 4 known to have taken these same meds….

  • What drugs was Jared Lee Loughner on, age 21…… killed 6 people and injuring 14 others in Tuscon, Az
  • What drugs was James Eagan Holmes on, age 24….. killed 12 people and injuring 59 others in Aurora Colorado
  • What drugs was Jacob Tyler Roberts on, age 22, killed 2 injured 1, Clackamas Or
  • What drugs was Adam Peter Lanza on, age 20, Killed 26 and wounded 2 in Newtown Ct

Those focusing on further firearms bans or magazine restrictions are clearly focusing on the wrong issue and asking the wrong questions, either as a deliberate attempt to hide these links, or out of complete and utter ignorance.

Don’t let them! Force our elected “representatives” and the media to cast a harsh spotlight on this issue. Don’t stop hounding them until they do.

About Dan Roberts
Dan Roberts is a grassroots supporter of gun rights that has chosen AmmoLand Shooting Sports News as the perfect outlet for his frank, ‘Jersey Attitude’ filled articles on Guns and Gun Owner Rights.As a resident of the oppressive state of New Jersey he is well placed to be able to discuss the abuses of government against our inalienable rights to keep and bear arms as he writes from deep behind NJ’s Anti-Gun iron curtain. Read more from Dan Roberts or email him at DRoberts@ammoland.com You can also find him on Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/dan.roberts.18

  • 198 thoughts on “Every Mass Shooting Shares One Thing In Common & It’s NOT Weapons

    1. What is needed is for policymakers to see the correlation between the use of mood controlling or anti psychotic drugs and violence. Sadly the myopic fixation on the inanimate implement as opposed to the causes of violence are the stock and trade of the anti-2a types.

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    3. Dan, you’re paranoid (watch your back!) and your article is completely misleading, if not an outright lie.

      You write “nearly every mass shooting”, but from this list off mass shootings (http://www.nycrimecommission.org/initiative1-shootings.php), only three cases appear on your list. Of course you would imply that all those cases might involve drugs as well. Yeah, they might.

      And, most of the cases on your list are not mass shootings at all, but suicides, stand-offs and 1-on-1 shootings. So your title is misleading and your main claims are misleading, untrue.

      You list some 70-80 drug+gun related deaths since 1998. Your list of drug-related deaths totally pales in comparison to the more than 140.000 people that were murdered with a gun since then. And it pales by the more than 300.000 people that committed suicide with a gun since then.

      Probably there is a higher risk of killing people when on certain drugs, but you’re not proving that, at all. Your intent is to proof that drugs are a bigger factor in killings than guns. Total nonsense. You imply having a gun does not increase the risk of shooting people. Are you sure?

      Stop misleading.

    4. Bill Baker, age 38, prescribed Trazodone for insomnia. Immediately suffered night terrors and suicidal depression but was taken off within 48 hours. Night terrors and depression immediately went away.
      Now age 43

    5. Get to the point, Dan. What is the truth you’re getting so close to? That “Nearly Every Mass Shooting In The Last 20 Years Shares The Involvement of Drugs”? Why, then, do you include in your list of “mass shooters” so many unrelated suicides, stand-offs, hostage takings and 1-on-1 killings? That doesn’t help to proof your ‘truth’, just makes the list and your article a blurry rant.

      Probably a list just as long, or longer, could be compiled of (mass) shootings that would NOT have occurred had the shooters been on the proper drugs (or had the shooters not so easily gotten a gun).

      Keep on feeding the fear, Dan.

    6. At my editor’s request this will be my last comment on this matter, as much as I would like to say more, my job is to report, not engage in a debate. That being said,there are far more then only three incidents of “mass shootings” as defined by Anti Gun Groups and the FBI on the list contained in my column. Further, its notable, but not surprising in the least that you choose to lump in all people murdered by guns to arrive at your number of 140,000, without breaking down the fact that the vast majority of those murders are in fact criminal on criminal acts, and hardly the “innocent victims” you attempt to paint them as.

    7. There’s more links to ssri medications and violent behavior than there is between CO2 and global warming.

    8. Picking on the pharmacutical companies can be dangerous to your health. They are the largest legal organized crime industry in our country.
      Turn on TV, they are one of the select few that can still afford to run commercials.

    9. I like the name “Havana” for the person commenting here. Communist government agents posting here are still incapable of hiding their true identity, using the capital of Cuba as a pen name. Brilliant! I agree with the editor, the journalist need not engage in an open ended debate with a propagandist that believes in totalitarian control.

    10. No edit function on these comments. Continuing: If you happen to read the list of cautions and adverse effects included in every prescription, you will see that these medications (SSRI) can cause or exacerbate the very behaviors they are prescribed to treat.

    11. @Havana – It is true that the majority of the mass shooters were under some form of psychiatric care, drugs or had recently stopped taking their drugs. The SSRIstories.com listing shows both single and multiple homicides, plus suicides of people taking these drugs. Again, the vast majority of these mass shooters are psychiatric patients taking drugs like Prozac, Paxil, Zoloft, Lithium, et al. It isn’t lying or misleading to point out commonality.

      This issue deserves investigation. SSRI’s are widely prescribed and over-prescribed while therapy is cut to a bare minimum by insurance providers. There are hundreds of billions of dollars at stake to the drug companies.

      Feinstein publicly declared weapons were “the” common denominator, ignoring not only the drug angle, but the Gun-Free-Zone issue too. She lied by omitting other known common traits.

    12. @Havana – Automobiles kill almost three times the number of people as do firearms. The number who die by poison or toxic materials is also three times higher. Why no outcry? Or is it that your hatred of guns blinds you?

      The presence of a firearm is not a predictor of homicide. If your anti-gun cronies were correct that the mere presence of a gun leads to more homicides the numbers would be 10 to 100 times higher. But homicide rates have been dropping since 1993. Today they are at about 1972 levels, still twice the rate BEFORE gun control was enacted in 1968. And in the last 25 years, we’ve added over 120 Million guns (excluding exports)(ATF data).

      So if all these guns predicted homicides, why are the rates falling? It’s not because of “gun control”. The homicide rates don’t decline significantly faster after enactment of any gun control laws. Thus, gun control is not effective at managing homicide rates (or violent crime rates). Thus the concept that more guns means more crime doesn’t wash either. We have 120 million more guns and less crime today. How do you explain that?

    13. What lefties like Havana always trot out is that you can’t have gun violence without guns. You also can’t have heart attacks without hearts, but neither of those statements has any impact on the problem. Take away the guns, people will still do evil things, like they did for a long time before the invention of guns, but the anti-gunners only can see one thing at a time, and should probably avoid bubblegum and walking, as you know that falling down generally involves getting up from the couch.

    14. When I initially read the header to this article “shooting shares one thing in common” I thought the answer was going to be “they have all been done by Democrats because there is a similar presentation circulating describing various shootings and how the shooter was connected to the Democratic Party.

    15. I’m pretty sure “mass shootings” must indeed have “weapons” in common, otherwise they wouldn’t be shootings. In order to have a “shooting” must we not have an implement with which to “shoot”?

    16. CIG,

      Were the weapons used in all the incidents the same ? Nope, not even close, other then the fact that they were all firearms. Some were pistols, some shotguns, some rifles. So no, the biggest common factor wasnt the weapons used, hence, the common factor is the psychotropic drugs

    17. I do not dispute the fact that psychiatric medicine can induce such behaviour. I take some meds for depression and believe me, it helps. BUT, we must keep in mind that there is guidelines to taking such meds, and the side effects of suicide tendencies, etc are definitely real. That is why such patients are to be monitored closely to establish which side effects are present. As such, it is partly the fault of the doctor and the patient. You can also take the analogy of prescribing antibiotics for every ache and pain, and in the end all the bugs are restant to the antibiotics… Thus, in my opinion, it is recless to just say SSRI’s cause such behaviour and it must be banned. AS with all things in life, get perspective on the issue and solve the problem, not blame meds or guns or co2 just because it is part of the symptoms. Causality over correlation must rule…

    18. Havana, do you smoke Cuban cigars, are you from Havana, or what? Just curious, that ADHD of yours is really acting up. Did you just stop talking your Haldol and Lithium,eh.

    19. BTW Havana – did you name yourself that to complete your fantasy of Bill Clinton play cigar tricks with you,eh.

    20. 140,000 and such figures are way too high. I think this was just grabber out of the air by whom ever the information came from. I know of most of these drugs and they don’t make people violent. These people are doing these things for the high they get for the fame the cops and new media gives them. Cheap fast fame. Once their names and pictures are out there, they will be famous for all time. Our society places too much value on being famous like the Hollywood crowd. Who wants to act like a child forever? Screw fame, give me the money.

    21. Big pharmaceutical companies pay MILLIONS if not BILLIONS to politicians, Dr’s and “others” to keep their POISONS flowing into society. And the SHEEPLE go right along with it, because if their Dr recommends it it MUST be “the answer.” They do not realize that their Dr’s are getting incentives to prescribe the poison, the FDA is being circumvented to get the poisons “legalized”, and then the “treatment” centers make MILLIONS when people are hooked & need help getting off the meds. And so long as the select few make their money they turn a blind eye to the truth.

    22. DRobert you say there’s a differance to the kinds of guns used. So are you saying there was only 1 drug these people had in common? According to that list, several kinds of drugs were being used. Don’t get me wrong I support gun rights. I just find your arguement a little weak. After all an ssri is a ssri just as a gun is a gun.

    23. No dan, your missing the point entirely, which I thought, and apparently others did as well. The largest shared common factor in these incidents ISNT the type of weapon used, as I already pointed out. The shared common denominator is that ALL of the perps were actively on, or ceased taking shortly before their crimes, some type of psychotropic drug. I really dont know how else to explain it

    24. We must be cautious in taking causal inferences from this article. Although each individual may have at some point taken psychotropic medication, it is a fallacy to deduct there is a causal relationship. The article fails to mention that hundreds of thousands of individuals take psychotropic medications without violent outburst. My professional summary would posit that a sociopath did not respond to psychopharmecuetical treatment and manifested homicidal ideations.

    25. Although this is a very strong correlation, it may not be a very strong causation.

      Consider that those who are taking antidepressants or antipsychotics are people who often are given them because they are perceived to need them. to put it simply, was it the pills, or were they unstable regardless of the pills?

      It’s kinda sorta like blaming a bunch of car breakdowns on some bad gasoline going around, when all the cars that broke down were 30 years old.

    26. -based psychiatrist David Healy has recently stated “we are giving drugs to children passing through critical development stages a conducting a vast experiment that we do not know what the outcome will be. We are drugging our children and reaping the results. When will we become responsible parents and first get our kids out of government schools and then let then be children. Stand up the the tyrannical thug government.

    27. The problem with the Lawmakers/Congress is they themselves are on Pills as in the Matrix the Blue Pill & the Red pill….problem is they took both!!

    28. I was on Paxil for depression and had suicidal urges and really crazy thoughts. Anti-depressants are serious stuff and really can cause people to go off the deep end. Off it and thankfully alive.

    29. It is amazing that one is constantly informed of blood alcohol levels etc., yet blood drug levels of mass murderers (especially those dead and of whom autopsies can be performed) are not reported.

    30. Why would John Noveske be killed for publishing MY list of cases involving ANTIDEPRESSANT-induced school shootings, suicide, violent crime, etc. (NOT “psychotropic” drugs) which I have been reporting for two decades now? This was a very incomplete list as we have FAR MORE cases than this on our list and I still have more to add.

      I investigated the cases posted at http://www.ssristories.com (which is currently being moved to our main website and now located at http://www.ssristories.drugawareness.org) while our Texas Director for the International Coalition for Drug Awareness, Rosie Meysenberg, began posting them online in 2006. For two decades I have discussed these same cases many times on Coast to Coast, the Jeff Rense show, the Lisa Gibbons show, Geraldo, etc., etc. Now that they are trying to take our guns due to the antidepressant-induced violence – something I told the NRA clear back in 1992 to expect as a result of all the drug-induced violence – it is now being considered that John discussing it is a reason for him to get killed? Sorry but I don’t buy that. Keep looking for the real reason – far more likely that it was one of his clients or friends having an adverse reaction to his antidepressant! Look at the case of the Navy Seal Chris Kyle and his friend killed by a buddy most likely on one of these drugs since he had just been released from a psych hospital.

      Sheriff Richard Mack, author of From My Cold Dead Hand, and County Sheriff, America’s Last Hope, is a life-long friend of mine. I educated him about these drugs in the mid 90’s and have lectured multiple times with him on this subject. He even accompanied us to the FDA hearings in 2004 to get the Black Box Warning placed on antidepressants for increased suicide.

      So what I am saying is this is NOT new information, but it is certainly WAY PAST TIME for someone to pay attention! Antidepressants are SO COMMON in school shooters and other types of school violence that I am shocked when I investigate one that does not involve a shooter on an antidepressant! (That has only happened twice in two decades.) And I do thank you very much for raising some more awareness to a very serious situation affecting us all!!!!!!!

    31. I use Firefox who uses Google’s “Blacklist” to warn of viruses on particular sites. Guess what? I got a warning of such a threat trying to come on your site. Interesting don’t you think, that the liberal site Google has done this to keep the truth from people?

    32. Lol
      You can tell the people that are taking these medications because their reactions are offended.
      People- guns are NOT the problem. It’s the idiot behind it.

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    34. I don’t think we can even blame the drugs. What precipitated the use (need?) of these drugs for children in the first place? Why are there so many children on drugs? Behavioral problems are noticed first many times by teachers. And the reason usually is divorced parents, broken homes. I would bet a great majority of these kids are children of divorce which has the greatest negative impact on their lives.

    35. I agree with Mark above. This page is infected. I just got a warning that my antivirus stopped a trojan virus.

      Clean it up!!

    36. Nearly all the shooters were registered Democrats. Look this one up. Ban all democrats is the answer not GUNS. Lets see how Honest you Liberal smoochers are on this one

    37. LOL, yes Mark I noticed ‘they’ have tried to link this site to an ‘Attack Site’.
      This is typical of Google when a website reports the truth. Too bad Deborah missed the humor in Mark’s comment.
      Way to go AmmoLand!
      Carry on.

    38. The attack site thing really annoys me. Liberals falsely labeling conservative sites that way so google and mozilla will try and stop you from coming here. I put in a complaint with mozilla, but doubt it will do anything.

    39. Bill,
      This is typically a warning that they will (if haven’t already) loaded the site with their games. This is called ‘community organizing.
      This site’s administrators can easily scan their site, via google, then request/demand google remove the ‘warning’.

    40. I’m well aware of the process for blocking and unblocking a site, but the libs have been doing this to a lot of conservative sites lately and google/mozilla should not be allowing themselves to be such obvious pawns of trolling on the internet. You can turn off the blocking option in the options menu but now sites that are bad are no longer stopped. But I’d rather risk that than be annoyed by this type of games, it’s not worth it. I generally love mozilla and hate internet explorer, but this self reporting thing and using google is wrong.

    41. Bill, thanks for the reply, by no means was I attempting to school you on blocking/unblocking sites. You’re correct, the lefties have made this their S.O.P., along with making webpages ‘disappear’. Unfortunately Google is only too happy to oblige with both tactics, yet they see no problem feeding a porn site to my 7yr old on an unrelated search.
      I’m sure you agree, Google is a willing subject here.

    42. @Ragu: No prob, you were in no way my source of annoyance, the blocking thing happened to me at the same time my dogs were annoying me this morning. It’s all good.

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    44. So is it the drugs or the fact that the individual is so mentally ill they need the drugs. Arguably it is more logical that it is the illness and not the “cure” that causes the problem. Just as arguably provable is that without the drugs even more mentally ill people would commit horrible crimes. I think you have just put your finger on the wrong problem.

    45. All read the book (Triangle Research) by Jon Batson. ISBN9761450505529. Good easy read and a real eye opener for those who are concerned with what is happening today.

    46. I just read your previous story on the subject. Isn’t this what you want? Paint all people on anti-depressants as ticking time bomb whack jobs who do not deserve to be able to defend themselves?

      A corollary doth not a cause make. Many of us take anti-depressants which have literally given us our lives back. Many of us can function normally, freed from paralyzing fear, anger, irrational outbursts and feelings of hopelessness. They are prescribed for many mental heath conditions from transient sadness (some caused by hormonal imbalance or grief) to severe psychosis. Very few people who take them are actually psychotic – even fewer are violently so.

      Logical fallacy: cum hoc ergo propter hoc – correlation does not imply causation. Still, it’s good enough “logic” for the government to use it against us because we are STUPID enough as a group to fall for it every time!

    47. Tracy D ( and others ) that have made similar comments, here and other places that have linked to this article. I anxiously await ANYONE pointing to the SPECIFIC words, phrases, or paragraphs were I stated that ” the drugs made them do it ”

      I wont hold my breath, because no one can provide such evidence, because I never made such a claim. I am well aware that these drugs CAN be beneficial to many, many people. I have a good friend who takes Anti Anxiety meds and is a gun owner and a threat to no one. But none of that changes the FACT that there is abundant evidence that there is SOMETHING going on. There are simply to many incidents, across to much time, by to many people, for it to all be nothing more then a coincidence

    48. There’s no “supression” of information, Just check out drugs.com for list of side effects for Paxil or Effexor. It’s all right there. And these side effects aren’t even that uncommon.

      It’s a double edged-sword. Some kids may need these meds, but they’re also way over-prescribed. Funny how none of our brilliant leaders are even looking at this.

    49. In addition to the aforemention fact that these people were on medication because they needed it, I’d also like to point out that most of the pills listed above are really common, first line prescriptions. Prozac was approved in 1987. Ritalin has been prescribed since 1960. Welbutrin, 1986. Paxil, 1992. Zoloft, 1991.

      Maybe these people needed something stronger?

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    51. The false “epidemic” in America, especially in grade schools, of ADHD and similarly diagnosed “behavior disorders” has seen the prescribing of Ritalin, among other mind/mood altering drugs, in mass quantities. These kids almost all have suicidal & rage control issues after they get older. We’re reaping the harvest. If you watch TV at all, you will be inundated with mood altering drug commercials. They all have common disclaimers which state that suicidal tendencies, nightmares and other negative side effects are probable. Are we to just sit there and believe these drugs are safe? It’s almost as if we have become oblivious to the truth right before our eyes. And it’s almost as if these drugs are being prescribed to intentionally turn society into zombies with the side effects from these drugs. Is there a correlation between the prescribing of these drugs and the desire to “zombie out” society? One of the goals of the Communist Party USA is to create new types of psychological disorders which only psychologists can diagnose. They can then diagnose huge sections of the population as crazy, stripping them of their rights. We must understand that they MUST destroy the 2nd Amendment, they can’t destroy the people if they don’t do this first. It just feels as if everything coming down the pike today is geared toward the shredding of our inalienable right to defense against tyranny. Something wicked this way comes. Sound like paranoia? Yeah, maybe they’d like to prescribe Prozac for it.

    52. sorry guys and gals. The world is moving on without you gun nuts. The world is screwed up because of your farfetched and outdated beliefs in guns, gold and god. All are bad for our society. You have had your guns for many many decades but have done nothing with them except to kill harmless animals and shoot innocent people. I don’t see or hear anyone who has actually used his gun to defend his supposed constitutional rights!!

      That’s right. Climb out of the box and take a look at yourself and those like you. Why is it that you feel you must have a gun??

    53. dogismyth said

      ” I don’t see or hear anyone who has actually used his gun to defend his supposed constitutional rights!!”

      LOL, try the 2004 National Academy of Sciences Report ” Firearms and Violence, A Critical Review”. They determined lawful self defense by private individuals armed with a gun took place a MINIMUM of 700,000 times annually in the US , and LIKELY that the number was significantly HIGHER. The FBI/DOJ has released similar reports over the last 15 to 20 years that come to roughly the same conclusion. None are so blind as those that refuse to see.

    54. Heya just wanted to give you a quick heads up and let you know a few of the images aren’t loading correctly. I’m not sure why but I think its a linking issue.
      I’ve tried it in two different web browsers and both show the same outcome.

    55. If, as the author states, that antidepressants turn people into killers, why do we see such LOW number of murders?

      Over 40 million people a year take antidepressants. Even if every single one of those above mentioned deaths is caused by medications, that’s less than a 0.002% chance.

      More people die from bee stings than antidepressants, it would seem.

    56. Queequeg, I’ll ask the same question that I have more then once, that I still have yet to receive a cogent response for. By all means feel free to point to the specific words or phrases where I stated unequivocally that the ” drugs made them do it ” ( paraphrasing). I wont hold my breath waiting, because no one can produce such evidence, because I NEVER said such a thing. But to simply ignore a very troubling ” adverse reaction ” (for lack of a better word) that most of these mass shooters obviously share is foolish in the extreme. Additionally, if there really isnt SOME kind of linkage at all, then why are NY State and California now going around and confiscating firearms from people that have received psychiatric treatment for even minor issues but have NO criminal record or history of violent behavior ?

    57. LOL, try the 2004 National Academy of Sciences Report ” Firearms and Violenc

      bahaha….yeah, you go ahead and use those government reports for your information. Those are likely filled with BS to further their objectives.

      Do you realize there is a bond for every individual? Do you realize that killing individual by self defense is still consider a crime by the State since it has nullified the bond (some of which are worth millions)? Have you ever wondered why people are thrown in jail for self defense and charged with man slaughter?

      I suggest you study the law….commercial maritime law, and pull your head from your arse.

      By your response, you are the sheeple.

      What if most people ignored guns, gold and god? What then? By bet is that the world would be a much better place to live in. But unfortunately, many people gain their confidence and gratification from guns, gold and god.

      To F’n bad for them. Just wait until you are required to have at least $1,000,000 liability insurance for each gun!!! lol….you guys make me laugh. Buy, buy, buy….the gold, the guns and the religion. its your money, but please consider registering yourself as a weak, socially-inept and insecure individual so we know who we are dealing with.

    58. Uh, dogismyth. Since you seem to think your the reincarnation of Willaim Blackstone, maybe you could explain what in the hell you mean by a ” bond worth millions” on an individual person ? While your at it, what in the world does commercial MARITIME law have to do with the subject of lawful self defense on LAND ? Your suggesting that Maritime Law somehow applies to an act that occurs in the middle of landlocked Kansas ? As for “studying the law” ? Its all I’ve done, written about and taught ( Self Defense Law) for over a decade. My education, experience and knowledge of the subject at hand is quite extensive. But thanks for your concern.

    59. Possible explanations other than SSRIs:

      -having eaten McDonald’s french fries
      -preferring Coke over Pepsi
      -heard a bird chirp that morning

      To the author: I am all for the right to own a gun, but I beg of you. If you cannot interpret studies, please do not comment on them. Also, please learn to spell.

    60. well, in my opinion humans are inherently violent, these drugs increase a humans resistance to its violent tendencies. and as far as havana goes, killings between gangbangers and drug dealers that happen on every corner of l.a, new york and chicago dont count as mass killings. if you take away guns then its just gunna make it harder for the decent people to protect themselves. if you think for one second that a “gun law” will control criminals your a special kind of stupid.

    61. So by your assumption that the root cause for homicide and suicide by firearm is the taking of anti depressant and anti anxiety medications. Have I got that right? Come and try to take the firearms from all of the combat vets who maintain a meaningful existence with medication and psychiatric treatment, see what happens. We take your shoddy treatment after we risk life and limb for your precious second amendment but by the reading of your article Veterans should be barred from possessing firearms. You lump vets in with felons, dishonorably discharged vets, psychotic and sociopaths. Thanks. Come for our guns, we are well trained, see what happens. This article disgraces all veterans.

    62. What am I missing here?? If we look at all examples of murder: 9/11, Newtown, Columbine, etc…the common denominator in all examples are a human was the instigator/perpetrator. If those planes that hit the twin towers sat on the runway, unmanned, 9/11 would not have happen. If the guns used in Columbine and Newtown sat in the closet, unmanned, they would do no damage. Humans are the problem, yes liberals, that’s right, humans are the problem; not the weapons of choice.

    63. Correct. People must take responsibility for their actions and the affect on others: politicans>laws, drug companies>advertising, physicians>what is best for patients not money, parents>teaching your children, lobbyists>what is best for their special interests and not the people, wall street and bankers>personal greed that effects the world economy and life savings of millions of people,
      Doctors, parents, friends, family etc.>that can’t identify someone they are around everyday is mentally ill and a danger to society, news reporting>what is politically correct or the company position over what is best for society.
      This list could go on but the truth is that the pursuit of money is not the same as the right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.

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    65. Okay uneducated folks, anti-psychotic drugs are not good for anyone who does not have any psychotic tendencies… i.e. Anti-Social Personality Disorder, Narcissistic Personality Disorder, or others. Now a simple anti-seizure drug does wonders for stabilizing moods! SSRI’s are god awful Rx’s and can’t be mixed with tons of other drugs… Tricyclic ones tend to keep people awake for days, annoyingly but not exhausting…

    66. I was prescribed an anti-psychotic for
      WTF is with these Doctors?
      Of course, I refused to take it!
      Now, because I didn’t take it I am no longer a patient.

    67. If using a sero 7 psychologist who has extra to supply is confirmed effective.
      The first shots will always be a surprise. A treatment for depression are treated successfully.
      Sigmund Freud was a great piece of advice for parents first receiving thhe diagnosis of ADHD.

    68. The biggest link in here isn’t drugs…the biggest link here is that these people were taking drugs because they were MENTALLY UNSTABLE. People need to take some accountability here.

    69. Have you ever considered the fact that the correlation has more up do eith the fact that these adolescents had mental/personality disorders – period? It’s not so shocking that those with mental/personality disorders took perscriptons for those disorders and the fact that they had those disorders probably makes them more at risk for such behaviors. Obviously the fact that one has a mental or personality disorder does not mean they could or would ever commit murder or suicide- there are plenty of individuals with those disorders that lead totally normal lives, but the fact that the majority of those who do commit the violent crimes against others or themselves have personality/mental disorders and have been or were at the time of their crime being treated for those disorders is not the least bit shocking. I’m not saying the medications are without issues but I also think it’s irresponsible to make such quick correlations, especially when u have no clue as to what your saying. Im willing to guess there’s a multitude of issues that come into play – from parental figures, drug use, values taught in the home, values society in general teaches, video games, accessibility to guns, the ways that teachers deal with bullying. Everyone wants to point a finger to one specific cause – but there are causes everywhere. Why don’t u all grow up and stop wasting your time pointing fingers and do what u can to make the changes necessary to make a difference. Teach ur kids to be nicer to those who are different- mske the changes in every one of your homes – I would almost guarantee that alone if it was a community wide effort – if bullying was irradicated and we as a society had more compassion and understanding for one another- you’d see a huge drop in these kinds of tragedies. Spend your time being the change you take do much time bitching and debating about.

    70. Great article Dan! What you have touched upon is
      iatrogenesis, one of the leading causes of death
      that no one dares to reveal or discuss.
      Check out- Death By Medicine and Medical Nemesis.
      Ever wonder why the pharmeceutical industry makes the oil industry look like a lemonade stand?
      Caveat Emptor

    71. Interesting. Curious though that (a) the non-cited “Multiple credible scientific studies” refer to side effects and not the purported link between shootings and these drugs and (b) there is no scientific evidence offered in the article itself tying the two together. (I’ve never seen any.) I could be wrong, but I’m guessing all or most of the perpetrators also wore pants. So, are we to conclude pants are also somehow linked causally to these shootings? Bad reporting. Faulty conclusions.

    72. Does anyone else see another common denominator, the ages of these kids! They are so young to be taking these types of drugs! Stop putting young kids on this stuff, it’s not worth it :(

    73. I agree that the title is misleading. Tons of mass shootings have happened that aren’t on this list, which potentially leaves room for the “non-conforming” stories to be excluded thus strengthening the face validity of this claim. The problem is that this isn’t helpful info – it doesn’t help us to get a profile of how to ID people at risk for completing horrific acts of violence (since 99.99% of people who take SSRI’s don’t), just like knowing that most of these folks have a psychiatric disturbance doesn’t help. It’s like saying “they all had brown eyes.” Also, you can’t make distinctions between types of firearms and then say that because there are different types of guns that that makes them unique instances. That’s no different than different sorts of SSRIs that have difference molecular compositions. If you were saying “all these people took X brand/type of SSRI that would be fair. But as a rule of thumb, if you find yourself saying “I don’t know how else to say it” then you’ve likely oversimplified and made a biased connection. If it’s logic-based, it should be able to be explained.
      Anyway, any link between SSRIs and violence should be explored further, and in controlled research (like was done with the SSRI-suicidal ideation/behavior link). Until then, quit your fear-mongering and sensationalism and get people to think in a way that doesn’t involve yellow journalism.

    74. I can tell you only my own experience for sure. A physician prescribed a “trial” of Paxil to treat my chronic depression. For 30 days I OBSESSED about suicide. Not only that but it worsened my insomnia so I got to obsess about killing myself almost 24/7. To his credit he discontinued the Paxil order when I told him about that and advised me to inform any other MDs about this type of reaction to this medication. Paxil may help some people but it was plain and simple the WRONG recipe for me.

    75. Yes, some people may do killings and other ways of destroying themselves but what happened to all of the rest of the slaying that has nothing to do with drugs. Are these stories written by the NRA?

    76. What is need is for the NRA or some other to provide a lawyer to one of victims families who time limit for filing a lawsuit has not expired to sue the drug companies, a suit against them would be so expensive that most law firms would not try it. Only then will this problem be fixed.

    77. OMG, you are onton something! You know what else you could have said?

      “Every mass shooting incident in the last twenty years, and multiple other instances of suicide and isolated shootings all share one thing in common, and its not the weapons used.

      The overwhelming evidence suggests the single largest common factor in all of these incidents is that all of the perpetrators were either actively eating sugar or had been at some point in the immediate past before they committed their crimes.”

    78. I think the people who are mentally having problems need help, but I see that the medications are a problem in violent behavior and in suicides. There are ways to treat depression, ADD, and other mental illnesses or learning disorders that are natural. St John’s Wort can help with Depression, Magnesium and vitamin B6 can help with it too. Magnesium, Glycine, and Lechithin can help with Hyperactivity. Serine can help with focus. These options all have less side effects than drugs, and can help a person live full lives, and live up to their potential. It is a crime that doctors do not tell patients what can go wrong with the medications they take, and they do not tell patients what other options are available to help with their issues. Also, the big Pharmaceutical companies need to be held more accountable by the FDA. It is not ok that drugs are being approved that make people worse instead of better, which is what they should do. If the drug is not improving the symptoms that they were prescribed for, what is the point of taking the stupid drugs?

    79. I’ve been on SSRIs for 25 years and I haven’t killed anyone yet. Neither have I killed myself. People get on SSRI’s because they have a problem with depression not because they are fun to take. You premise is false. Do some more research before you go on a rant.

    80. I freely admit that overuse of psychotropic medications may be a problem, but anecdotal evidence only goes so far. You need to define “mass shooting” or whatever category you want to talk about. Gather comprehensive statistics on the correlation you wish to assert (psychotropic drugs and mass murders), and then provide statistics which indicate how many of the total number of mass murderers used or didn’t use these medications. It you want to assert a causal relationship, you also need to compare the fraction of the total population that uses these medications against the fraction that uses these medications and turn violent. By and by, there do seem to be an awful lot of firearm usage even in your anecdotes.

    81. Please wake up people. NONE of the “mental illnesses” deemed as such by the APA are diagnosed by any biological tests. The USDA has an arrangement with the pharmaceutical industry. When they finally reduced the number of lobotomies they were conducting, (btw, I think lobotomies were one of the most extreme forms of torture they could think of), then they started doing electric shock therapy and then ultimately psychotropuc drugs. Drugs that were made in a chemistry lab to effect the neurology of human beings that you SUSPECT might have an illness based on the symptoms they complain of. Ever wonder why people are depressed in mass? Because the system is set up to not care that it works people to the point of stress and depression so that eventually everyone needs medication to stabilize them and prevent everyone from naturally losing it. Instead, a pharmaceutical company creates a drug designed to CHANGE your neurology — the one biological feature that controls all others. Think about it. If “they” don’t know how a person gets a mental illness and have no BIOLOGICAL testing to diagnose it then how the HELL are you going to give the people drugs to treat an illness that you allowed the APA to invent which? Seriously ~~ they make up the diagnoses and the pharma companies patent medication specifically for that symptom just as fast. If they really don’t know what’s wrong with a person, what do they think they’re treating? Even children in grade school can reason through that crock of hot mess. But you know what? We keep buying, so they keep selling. Supply & demand. Our society is collectively hypnotized and those who resist the hypnotic messages in the media receive strong suggestions about getting medication. The ones who resist the submission are involuntarily committed, often traumatized and drugged into a mental state more appeasing to the oppressive hand that has tormented the “mentally ill in our nation for centuries. We MUST change as a nation or we will eventually see the rotten fruit of this wicked labor. In peace, I came. In peace, I go.


      @Bill Baker on April 1, 2013 at 5:55 PM said:
      What lefties like Havana always trot out is that you can’t have gun violence without guns. You also can’t have heart attacks without hearts, but neither of those statements has any impact on the problem. Take away the guns, people will still do evil things, like they did for a long time before the invention of guns, but the anti-gunners only can see one thing at a time, and should probably avoid bubblegum and walking, as you know that falling down generally involves getting up from the couch.

    83. Stupid XXX article. Would these guys have committed mass murder without easy access to weapons? No. Every other western nation has problems with depression and drugs but doesn’t have multiple regular mass murders. Why is that? Easy access to guns.

      And fix your XXXX drug problem too!

    84. Ummm, how about making sure mentally unstable people don’t have access to guns? I live in Australia, a perfectly safe country with gun control and strict regulation on medication . How about fixing both problems eh?

    85. I have been on psychotropic drugs for 30 years and have never been suicidal, homicidal or violent in any way!

    86. Excuse me, they were all involving weapons. Take away the weapons and they might slug you or do something mean like stick out their tongue, not KILL YOU.

    87. I’m seeing a false cause fallacy here.

      Maybe it’s more like this…

      People who are likely to cause mass murder have mental problems.

      People who have mental problems are on mental drugs.

      It’s like saying:

      All people who have heart attacks were taking heart medication so it must be the heart medication.

      It’s true there are issues with these drugs if they aren’t carefully monitored, but there are a lot of people who DEPEND on these drugs to live normal lives.

      A close relative of mine is one of these people who, without them, almost killed himself and almost ruined his entire family through psychotic episodes. Without the mood STABILIZING drugs he was a very mean, nasty, uncontrolled, psychotic person… on them, he’s like his old self. He’s borderline genius, family-man.

      This scare mongering based on assumptions and not factual evidence is DANGEROUS to the many people in this country who have legitimate mental illnesses who are scared or struggle with the stigmitism of being diagnosed with a mental disorder.

    88. I am assuming by the title of the group you belong to that you are are also in favor of everyone being able to carry guns to protect yourself according to the amendments. Hopefully you also noticed that guns were used in the majority of these incidents. Perhaps better gun control would help, too?? You are also in favor of legalizing marijuana and drink a far amt of alcohol. People who have never suffered from depression, anxiety and other mental health disorders need to keep your opinions to yourself. Nobody wants or cares about your opinion!! I bet you are the type that uses “only natural” supplements, too!! Are you a chiropractor Abd tree hugger, too??

    89. OKAY. So lets take a real life look at this. It’s about 100 times more likely that the mental issues /instabilities that these people had were the things to cause their acts, not the drugs. These drugs have had extensive testing, and have helped way more people than they have hurt. I’m certified in pharmacy, so I just a little bit know what I’m talking about.

      The ‘unlisted’ side effects of these drugs (violent tendencies, suicidal thoughts) are ALL listed in the booklets that are REQUIRED to be given to EVERY SINGLE PATIENT taking these drugs. The thought is that if you are depressed enough that you can’t even get out of bed and you are prescribed an SSRI or anti-depressant drug, if you don’t give it enough time to work, it may give you the energy to get out of bed, but not make you feel better. Therefore, giving you the energy to go do something terrible like harm someone, or yourself. That’s why when these drugs are prescribed, the person taking the drug AND/OR the parents of the person taking the drug are WARNED ABOUT these side effects. That’s also why when these drugs are prescribed, therapy or scheduled return visits are recommended. So that your therapist or doctor can make sure that they are working the way that they are supposed to be, so they can make sure that you aren’t taking to little or too much, to make sure that the SSRI they have you on is the one that you need that will work best with you, etc. ALL medication regiments like this take time. (Just ask cancer patients.) If you take an SSRI and go shoot up a school 7 days later, there is no possible way to prove that SSRI is at fault because it’s barely had time to fully effect your system.

      While I agree that it isn’t okay to just blanket treat these illnesses and throw prescription drugs into patient’s open mouth and whichever ones stick are the right ones, it’s also definitely not okay to blame drugs that have proven to help with these issues.

      I take SSRIs and I’m not about to murder anyone.

    90. Also, shout out to Phoenix Coleman up there for saying that these illnesses that I’m sure a lot of us commenting suffer from are made up by pharm companies. That’s a great way to spread the love and make someone who actually is clinically depressed feel better about their situation. Good job there, bud.

    91. Interesting. A supposition until now, a correlation may be plainly visible if we look. Often we point out that the country was awash with guns throughout most of it’s history, but never suffered massacres on this scale until maybe twenty years ago or so. About the time that Ritalin became parent-in-a-pill. I think that if we correlate the times these drugs were made available to market against the time when school shootings and other violence began to manifest, we’ll see a clearly drawn corresponding line.

    92. I definitely understand the outcry of doctors prescribing these medications very easily, especially to teenagers. I can tell you from my own experience that Paxil and now Lexapro for anxiety and can tell you I couldn’t live without them.
      Perhaps these drugs have a strikingly different reaction for other people. The question is how do we monitor or prevent it?

    93. My sister sent me the link to this article when she knew that I was considering putting my fourteen year old daughter on antidepressants. Eventho I have never would have considered doing this is the past I started to feel that I might have to. I did some research on line on Prozac and other meds they use for adolescents and all of the studies said the same “study subjects had increased suicdal/homicidal thoughts when on the meds and caused impulsivity…..Not to mention all the other horrible side effects like nausea, diarrhea, heads aches, and the list goes on. I realized then that there’s really no good reason to put my child on any of these meds. After reading this article that solidifies my decision. Children and adolescents bodies are still growing and developing they are not hormonally stable. No psychiatrist has any business giving meds like these to young people.

    94. we don’t let blind people drive, we don’t let minors drink, why are we still allowing crazy people access to firearms?

    95. Thanks for your thoughtful consideration in regards to this article. I believe what the point being made is that the side effects verses the benefits are not being considered. Therapy is a wonderful tool in helping people work through issues. Suppressing the issues with medication is dangerous. Meaning these Serotonin boosters were designed for short term use to help relieve people in a manic state under constant observation and care of a Dr. That’s not the way they are being distributed. I have friends and acquaintances whom been prescribed these pills years ago and there still on them without observation. In my fellowship, I have seen countless suicides and all have been on theses pills for years. The problem starts with the pharmaceutical companies, government and a civilization that is afraid to be accountable. Sad as all hell!

    96. You need to go back and verify your facts to ensure that you are not playing into the, “Coincidence? I think not,” mentality. Mental health is very under managed, in this country. We need to begin addressing the stigma that is perpetuated by articles, such as this, that create an image of people caring for their brains as if they are to be feared. The brain is another part of the body. It can get sick and may need treatment, but if people are afraid to communicate their concerns or issues with their doctor, they will hide it and then find themselves sicker than before. It isn’t necessary. Although written with great intent, I am assuming, I question what exactly the purpose was. To instill fear? Point the business end of the problem somewhere other than guns? Think about the motive.

    97. I have seen lists like this with all sorts of claims around them. I have yet to see sources for the “facts” given. I am not calling you a liar, just saying that without any way to verify what you are saying, nobody is going to listen.

    98. The writer forgot to mention one thing. The reason these people are on psychotropic drugs is that they are mentally ill.

    99. Simple phrase explains why this article is misleading and comes to a false conclusion: Correlation does not imply causation. Simple example that follows the author’s line of logic:

      Hey, did you know that scientists found a common factor with all rainstorms over urban areas: UMBRELLAS. Scientists observed that during 95% of rainstorms over urban areas, nearly every person had an umbrella. UMBRELLAS MUST LEAD TO RAIN.

      And don’t call me some leftist. I just don’t appreciate being lied to. I gaurantee I own more guns than most people on this site.

    100. I don’t need facts to believe that these drugs can cause this behavior. when I was 14 I was put on Paxil, after taking them for two months, I tried to kill myself. The withdraws where Hell, I was so sick! Later they stopped prescribing Paxil to teenagers b/c like me a lot of other young people were trying to kill them selves. I’m 28 now, never before or after stopping the Paxil have I attempted to kill myself. I don’t take any thing, I was just having a hard time adjusting to be a teenager, All the hormones. All I really needed was some guidance.

    101. Fine, so it’s not guns, it’s mental illness.
      Why aren’t we doing something about it, like Canada does?
      Well, here’s this same publication arguing against restricting purchasers with mental illness from buying guns.

      Which way do you want it?
      Here’s the law in Canada, which the NRA will fight tooth and nail here-
      Criminal and Psychiatric Checks

      According to section 5(1) of the Firearms Act, “[a] person is not eligible to hold a licence if it is desirable, in the interests of the safety of that or any other person, that the person not possess a firearm.”[38] Therefore, “[a]n applicant for a firearm licence in Canada must pass background checks which consider criminal, mental, addiction and domestic violence records.”[39] Besides criminal checks, in order to determine eligibility under the Act, authorities must consider whether within the previous five years the applicant

      has been treated for a mental illness, whether in a hospital, mental institute, psychiatric clinic or otherwise
      and whether or not the person was confined to such a hospital, institute or clinic, that was associated with
      violence or threatened or attempted violence on the part of the person against any person; or

      has a history of behavior that includes violence or threatened or attempted violence on the part of the
      person against any person.[40]
      In addition to background checks, “third party character references for each gun licence applicant are required.”[41]

      Applicants are screened using a two-tiered process. According to a 2010 evaluation report on Canada’s Firearms Program, “[t]his process entails submitting an application requesting that the applicant provide detailed personal information; when this application is assessed by the CFP, special attention is given to those applying for a Prohibited and Restricted Firearm License.”[42] Moreover, all applicants are also “screened on an on-going basis through the provisions of ‘continuous eligibility’, a monitoring function that has a licensee ‘flagged’ for a review of their license should a matter of public safety arise after they have obtained their license.”[43]

    102. You’ve stumbled upon a problem related to the general behavior of the SSRI, and it is not a secret. The warning pops up every time you prescribe one. It’s also mentioned in all of the television commercials. This is not as subversive as you think it is.

      SSRI drugs are noted for slow onset. During the adaptation phase a patient will only notice one change- more energy. The drug will not impact the patient’s feelings of depression for several weeks after beginning treatment. So what you get is a depressed person with loads of newfound energy. This is the reason for the sharp rise in violent behavior in the weeks following the initiation of treatment. If the patient stays the course, things get better.

      The drugs are contraindicated for children and teenagers. They get prescribed sometimes when the problems are so significant that the doc doesn’t have anywhere else to turn. Kids with problems get the big drugs, not the other way around.

      Where is the list of SSRI patients who had suicidal and homicidal tendencies upon which they did not act? That list is longer.

    103. Obviously a connection here, but I wouldn’t blame the drugs themselves per se. It always comes back to the parents. There are many broken homes with parents more concerned about themselves than their children. Not raising them with morals. Not teaching them right from wrong. And as quick as “Johnny” acts up, rely on drugs for a quick fix. If parents would only build a relationship with their children early on. Teach them love and respect for others, spend time getting to know what their interests are, teaching them to work hard, etc. etc. these horrible events would be very rare.

    104. Provocative article. Emotional issues cause us to want to point the finger. Human nature always wants to justify and explain abnormal behavior. Rational thought does to apply to the irrational mind. Perhaps our author is on to something. Particularly if we study
      Mass shooting with teens or early twenties on psychotropic meds. Is it the meds or the child rearing?

    105. All this conclusively indicates is that “nearly all” of these people had symptoms of mental illness, which isn’t surprising. This logic is a little backward. People who are criminally ill & go on medication were ill to start with. Of course they’re going to have that in common. You know what else I bet “nearly all” the offenders had on common? Eating meat and owning jeans.

      This is pretty irresponsible journalism. I hope the people being helped by medication don’t see this & stop taking their meds without consulting their doctors, because that could *actually* cause a serious & widespread problem.

    106. It,s not the drug it,s those problems you go through when stop taking cold turky,there’s where the problems start,all narcotics does this ,with draws,halucenations start and danger begin,s or suicidal. It,s thanking hour better and stop taking them,it is a drugs you can’t just stop at once. Slowly lower the dose a little bit at a time .ten years taking haft that time to stop them.controlled withdrawal. God bless those that don’t cold turkey.and God help those who do.

    107. Having worked as a nurse, many of these medications have side effects as bad if not worse than the initial problem the patient complained of. If you see a psychiatrist, he will prescribe a medication much more often than not. He is more worried about his license and insurance premiums than ill effects these meds have. If he does nothing, he is open for a lawsuit for lack of care. Most patients feel that a pill cures everything. They don’t want to wait for prolonged therapy, they want an instant cure NOW. Most drugs take 7 to 10 days to build up a therapeutic level in your system. Impatient clients take more medication than prescribed to hurry along the level, drink alcohol while on these meds, which reverses the effect of them. They discontinue them suddenly, when they really need to be tapered off these meds. Some forget to take them on a regular basis, causing more harm than good. It can take a long time to get dialed in on the proper med with the correct dosage. Sometimes they need to try other medications in addition to the initial drug prescribed or substitute a new med for an ineffectual one. Every patient is different but no one should think that there is an INSTANT FIX.

    108. Humanbeings are complex beyond the full understanding of anyone on this comment board. We are all damaged. Each of us struggles, in one way or another. Some of our issues come from chemical imbalances and some from negative/traumatic life events.

      To be honest all of this is a rather large waste of time and energy. That is unless someone here has the instructions on how to create a free wonder drug that will treat every unique patient without any side effects? (Insert adderall joke).

      Jokes aside, come on people. Let’s take the energy we put into things like this and aim it towards actual positive human connection. No I’m not a hippie. So many of the people in the list above considered themselves outsiders. I can’t create a drug to cure depression but I know taking a moment to be kind to a stranger won’t end in a mass murder. I’m not saying being nice will solve any off these issues absolutely. However it would be more productive then arguing on a message board that everyone is going to forget about in a week.

      This should be about helping people, not a platform to push against gun control.

    109. I woke up on 6 Jan with no voice. Had a previous bout of laryngitis in October 2012, where I wasn’t taken seriously at my Dr until 12 days with no voice, when they did blood tests and gave me antibiotics – recovered completely.

      What happened to me on 12 January I will never forget and I just have to write this down, to raise awareness of the terrible impact I felt from taking steroids.

      Awoke on Sunday 6 January with laryngitis again, had absolutely no voice, but felt OK, and able to do chores etc.

      Monday no better – worked from home but still felt OK.

      Tuesday – voice wavering – went to Grey London but did about 6 hours work before returning home – phoned Dr and got an apt for Thursday 11.15. I was beginning to feel quite ill and very short of breath.

      On Wednesday I felt awful so came home from work, and struggled through the afternoon.

      Thurs – woke up, felt terrible but was thankful for Dr apt. Walked in – she apologized about October 2012 incident and wanted to quash this quickly so gave me a prescription for amoxicillin, a steroid inhaler as breathing was very shallow, and STEROIDS – 20 mg Predisilone for 3 days. No discussion about side effects, or glaucoma etc. She checked my temperature, heart rate, blood pressure, glands and prescribed blood tests for thyroid and an ultrasound scan.

      I was prescribed 4 x 5mg predisonole tablets for Thurs, Fri and Sat – read up about side effects, but felt OK on Thurs. By Friday I was manic, twitching, pacing, no sleep, anxious, thirtsy, starving, panicked, pacing, hyperactive – can almost say that had I been at a roof party in a house or near a train, or main road I would have killed myself.

      Effects became worse on Sat AM – so I didn’t take the 4 x 5mg tablets until Sunday. I then drove myself from W10-W1 to get my hair tinted – Had windows down as was such an amazing day – music blasting as was high as a kite and felt very happy – singing at top of voice with no voice and probably sped at 85 mph with no realization – scary.

      Parked, paid for parking, went into Starbucks for a coffee – the caffeine made me even more hyperactive and couldn’t sit down whilst in the hair salon. Paced up and down whilst hair was setting.

      Prior to that I had seen a pair of shoes for my new boyfriend which I bought for £199 on sale.

      Left hair salon – found myself in Chanel buying a handbag and Wallet for £3k. Explained to cashier that I had been ill and she actually asked me if I was of sane mind to make the purchase. I thought I was ….. and she explained that I could only have a credit note if I decided that they weren’t right so she wanted to ensure that I was aware of that.

      Drove to meet Carla in Maida Vale as was starving – she told me I was manic and not normal.

      Came home and tried to rest but just paced the flat for hours. Liesa arrived – showed her my purchases – she showed me hers – sort of calmed down over dinner and some red wine.

      Slept for a few hours.

      Woke up at 9am finally and went to get my nails done in salon and then met Amie and Liesa for lunch at Pizza East. Drank Prosecco and felt better, as the alcohol actually calmed me down.

      Returned home to try and sleep – no change and paced the flat again.

      That evening I went to Portobello House – the most amazing reaction feeling I have experienced. Totally high and elated, as they had a cabaret night and was dancing and singing and having a great time. I had gone with my ex boyfriend Sean, but he left me there at 10pm as was annoyed that I was talking to anyone and everyone and ignoring him and dancing and singing. He thought I was high on Cocaine and very drunk.

      He emailed me the next day telling me so. I was mortified as wasn’t really aware of my behavior and that day I woke up feeling soo ill. I went back to Dr on 1st waiting list for walk in – she apologized and checked me over, but said there was nothing she could do and I just needed to rest. She prescribed more antibiotics, 500mg of amoxicillin and another steroid inhaler, BP 179/100, heart rate 90 bpm. I felt panicked and anxious. She sent me home, without stating that the steroids could have made me feel like this.

      Spoke to parents and Carla and Liesa but I don’t hugely remember and drove home.

      Nora my cleaner came over and actually said I should sit down and have a glass of red wine, as it may calm me. I did and felt a little less anxious.

      My friend Tara came to stay and we had a chinese takeaway and good chats – felt calmer

      Awoke the next day after ½ valium and 9 hours sleep.

      I didn’t know that you are not supposed to mix alcohol and valium as that can kill you, as was explained by a physciatrist to me on 18 February, my birthday.

      The following day I went shopping to Moschino and Primark and spent another £5k.

      On the Sunday when I spoke to my parents, I was putting on my boots to go out – didn’t know where I was going or why – they persuaded me to stay in.

      Had I been at a party – rooftop, open space I may have jumped off through deliriousness.

      Managed to work from home and spoke with 2 ENT specialist who assured me there is nothing wrong with me – withdrawal symptoms from nicotine and steroid should never have been introduced. I nearly killed myself in 72 hours based on nothing.

      I left the Dr surgery believing that I had an overactive thyroid as had lost 6 pounds in 9 days and have tripled my food consumption I went on a steroid trip which I will NEVER FORGET – for no reason that has cost me 4 week of my life – be warned – they are not to be taken lightly or messed with. I lost a further 5 pounds in weight.

      By Thursday I was completely bi-polarly manic, and my dear friend Carla came round and urged me to see a private GP for an alternative opinion.

      I walked in and briefly described laryngitis and steroids, and he diagnosed steroid physcosis immediately. Said I would feel very high and then very low, but that I would recover, he couldn’t give me anything for sleep as the steroids over ride absolutely everything, so would eventually get back to normal.

      He got me into an ENT specialist from Monday and I was checked out and she confirmed that there was nothing wrong with me, but I had a lot of congestion. She also confirmed that steroids and a steroid inhaler would clash and not make me feel very well.

      On Tuesday I popped into Specsavers for an eye test as I felt my vision had become impaired – they urgently referred me to an Eye Specialist at Moorfields due to high pressure in eyes – caused by steroids – at no point did my Dr ask me about glaucoma history in family as steroids should never have been prescribed to me as my great grandmother was blind and grandmother had acute glaucoma.

      I had to have urgent laser surgery to avert a bout of acute glaucoma!

      I wrote a letter of complaint to my Doctors surgery and the practice manager called to discuss, but denied having lost my forms.

      I had to go to the surgery to collect my forms and had a massive rant at the useless receptionist there who just was not taking me seriously.

      Pru Health forms finally faxed through later that day as I had requested 3 weeks previously.

      I had a call with Pru Health about how ill I had been and they approved most of my claims retrospectively.

      Blood tests Thursday – all clear.

      Ultrasound Scan revealed nodules on thyroid which are also causing discomfort in voice.

      Laser Surgery on eyes – received all clear 2 weeks later

      ENT specialist – tablets and nasal spray for 6 weeks – on them for another 3 months – speech therapy recommended.

      I went to see a Physciatrist on 18 February as was due to fly to Sydney on the 20 February with my new boyfriend and he needed reassurance that I was mentally able to fly. I had had 2 breakdowns over the 4 weeks, whereby I drank the best part of 3 bottles of wine and smoked 40 cigarettes, and cried on my friends. They believed that I had become and drug addict and an alcoholic.

      My oldest friend phoned my parents to tell them so. She did it out of the kindness of her heart, but nobody believed me that I wasn’t taking drugs, which hurt me even more. I was physchotic and also had disbelieving friends, as my personality had changed sooooo hugely from the steroids.

      The physciatrist confirmed that I was mentally well, but suggested counseling as need to process the whole experience.

      I have just returned from a 25 day holiday which did me the world of good. I am back to normal again – thank god, but some people never recover and are mentally ill for the rest of their lives. If I wasn’t as strong as an ox and a fighter, I fear that I may never have recovered, and this is why I wrote this down.

      Please help me raise awareness of the damaging affects of steroids. I urge everybody to withhold from taking them ever, unless you are seriously ill. I had a virus, and was not at deaths door, but felt poorly. I nearly died from the medication, not the virus.

      I am due to start counseling on 28 April, to digest and process and get over this awful nightmare that I endured.

      Thanks for reading this.


      Romilly Endacott

    110. I used to take Adderall, Concerta, and strteria for my ADHD growing up. I tried committing suicide to many damn times to count, my senior year of high school I quit taking them altogether. Due to being on the ADHD meds since 4th grade I now have depression but I sure as fuck will not take anymore pills given to me by the government. Oh another thing my mom did have me switched off of Concerta Havanna because I was becoming way to violent and abusive, laughing when things died when it wasn’t even funny. So if you want to say this is a lie please take everything I write and stuff it up your ass because THE DRUGS DO FUCK UP YOUR MIND SO BAD YOU HAVE A MENTAL SNAP. Now which my past use of those drugs I always stayed away from anykind of weapon (I’m from Chicago where finding illegal guns is just as easy as finding gum on the street). I didn’t acquire a weapon and kill no one, so you are trying to blame guns for the killings, stand offs and whatever else you can try to blame guns on when it wasn’t even relevant to THIS article, so you hide behind the oh so truthful government and the lies while we all see the truth. TAKE IT FROM SOMEONE WHO KNOWS HOW THE DRUGS ACTUALLY WORK!!!

    111. Ok gun nuts – these drugs are only available by prescription – at least they are only *supposed* to be available by prescription. You want to blame the drugs and not the guns? Suppose we regulate access to the guns the same way we do to the drugs and see what happens to gun violence problems. Deal?

    112. Correlation does NOT equal causation. Clearly those taking psychoactive drugs need them for some chemical imbalance in the brain. Is it not more likely that the neuropsychological conditions of these people are driving them to commit these heinous acts, as opposed to the medication they take?

    113. This shows a correlation between mental illness and mass murder, not a causation between prescription medication and violence. I think we can all agree that someone who attempts mass murder has mental health issues.

    114. I agree with that MrGoodHands, I think that whenever a household member is prescribed one of these pyschotropic drugs, they should be required to produce a sponsor, someone able to do an investigation into the possibility and ease of access to a firearm. I think that fault for this situation is far broader than we realize, I know that if any member of my household was taking medication for anxiety, extreme depression,or other problem, I would make a special point of making sure that there was no way for them to gain access to any of the guns that I own. Plus all of my firearms are stored…with a trigger lock, inside a gun safe…in a locked room. Everyone can take a little more responsibility in my opinion.

    115. Ritalin is not an SSRI. It is a totally unrelated medication, a stimulant, used to treat Attention Deficit Hyperactivity Disorder.
      And maybe what all these people had in common was not the medications they took to treat their psychiatric illness, but rather the illnesses themselves. Clearly, in these cases the medications didn’t help, but it’s quite a leap to say they caused the murders and/or suicides.

    116. I am very glad I no longer live in the USA. Seems things to have gotten pretty crazy since when I was growing up there during the 60’s and 70’s and played on city streets without fear. Blaming shootings on the medications alone is missing the point. Since most of the mass shootings involve relatively young people, yes, the fact that these drugs do warn that teenagers and children be carefully monitored for suicidal tendencies or unusual behavior while on them is a warning to be heeded. But many people are helped by SSRIs. My life was saved by Prozac, but not before 2 years of trial and error and minimal relief. To say these drugs are harmful is misleading as there are many people who would agree that without these drugs they may not have survived or would have become more and more ill. No, I never felt violent or suicidal while taking SSRIs. But I did feel suicidal and hopeless before starting on them. I was a person who avoided antidepressants like the plague. For 10 years I struggled with therapy and alternative medicine only to find that I was sinking lower and lower. When the Prozac finally kicked in after 2 months, I remember feeling ‘myself’ again and free. Not hyper happy or up in the clouds. Just normal and able to function again. I am very grateful I got help in time. My only wish is that I had sought help sooner and had not been so scared by all the reports on these drugs causing so many problems. The few side effects certainly outweigh the benefits.
      Maybe if the author of this article had researched his theory by including other countries where people take just as many SSRIs and are not out killing or committing suicide to the degree that happens in the US, maybe another reality would become apparent.
      Finding a solution to avoid these needless deaths is more important than proving who’s right. It could be easy access to weapons, the medication, mental illness, societal influences or a combination of all of the above. We need to be looking at the BIG picture and stop bickering about the details.

    117. Dan, have you considered that it is not the SSRI or other drugs that are complicit here, but rather the conditions for which the people are taking the drugs? If not, it is certainly the elephant in the room, and needs attention. Your correlation is exactly that, a correlation, and does not imply causation. Anyone who has taken basic statistics knows that. I am not a “leftie” or anti-gun person, as my Springfield XDM .40 will show, but have you talked to any mental health professionals in writing this articles, or are you just throwing together “facts” as if they anything to do one with the other? Seems to me you arew simply trying to detract or deflect from the roles firearms play in these tragedies. No offense to responsible gun owning citizens or the NRA, but this hypothesis is really reaching and flies in the face of more comprehensive data. I think Johnny above is much closer to correct here. PS – I am a mental health professional, though I do not prescribe meds.

    118. There is a huge difference between correlation and causation. Is there a correlation between use of therapeutic psychotrophic meds and acts of violence? Perhaps. But, as Bobby Henderson so famously proved, there’s a correlation between the drop in the number of pirates worldwide and the rise in global temperature. As Johnny already stated, correlation does not imply causation. Equating the two is an attempt by a (typically) lazy mind to see a connection that isn’t there. Does it hold up to scientific scrutiny? Absolutely not, but neither do a lot of other things that people believe. No sin there.
      Where this article veers into the realm of irresponsible pseudo-journalism is the thinly-veiled attempt to demonize the medications that these people are prescribed in an attempt to control their condition. In an earlier comment, the author challenged anyone to list the specific comments that he made indicating that “the drugs made them do it”. He then smugly waited for someone to point them out. Of course, that is a Sisyphean task, because he never actually came out and said it. However, by asserting that “nearly every mass shooting event” in the last twenty years was committed by someone who was either on, or had recently been on, therapeutic psych meds, he certainly seems to imply it. He then ups the ante by wondering what drugs three of four others were on. Did he come out and say it? Of course not; he’s not that stupid. But the implication is pretty clear to anyone with even a shred of intelligence; the second paragraph of this screed indicates that pretty clearly.
      He then delves deeper into the asinine by mentioning ‘multiple credible scientific studies’ (without citing even one) that demonstrate that SSRIs can cause violent or suicidal behavior. Duh. He then goes on to insinuate that pharmaceutical companies have somehow covered up this information. Has the author ever read the literature that comes with, say, Paxil or Zoloft? It’s there, in black and white. I mean, it’s on Wikipedia, for Pete’s sake. There’s no mystery there; it’s a known quantity.
      While I agree that antidepressants may be overprescribed, by linking these drugs to acts of violence, the author creates a quasi-credible strawman to give a rallying cry to those who seek to make this about more than violence and the non-human accessories thereto. Maybe we should make it about the mental health issues that are in evidence in nearly all those cases.
      On second thought, nearly every one of these incidents involves one common factor; they were committed by men. Maybe we should just outlaw testosterone…

    119. While nearly all of the mass shootings involved these drugs you say, I say all of these shooters breathed air. By your cause&effect analysis wouldn’t that be the real cause?

    120. Mental health issues, or medication issues. No way of knowing as this is is correlational information at best. I would agree with one implication that you’ve made…………much more attention, resources, awareness and funding for mental health are sorely needed.

    121. First of all, a gun is not capable of killing an individual. A person behind the trigger is. @Havana — if you’re going to subtly point out that guns were the main TOOL used in killing these people, please, also, point out the fact that the sledgehammer is just as capable of doing the killing. Or the butcher knife. I hate it when people like to blame inanimate objects for people’s actions or poor decisions. “Oh, the money made me do it!” “The gun was the reason why I killed that person; not because it was premeditated or anything!” Jeez. And secondly! Dunno how reliable this article is when proper English is used correctly! There is a difference between “then” and “than”! I promise! Ask any Elementary school teacher! All media should be taken with a grain of salt. Tone should be considered, audience should be considered and most of all, PURPOSE should be considered. Watch for bias. It’s better to be skeptical and erudite THAN to be gullible and misinformed. THEN! You won’t sound ignorant discussing topics such as these touchy ones later. (See what I did there?) ;)

    122. What needs to be remembered is that if all of these people were prescribed these medications, they were having emotional problems in the first place! They were already unstable, so you can’t make the assumption that they killed because they were on the medications. They may well likely have done it anyways. As a person who is on medications, I feel that I can speak on this issue.

    123. what about the virginia tech guy? You didn’t list him. According to wikipedia it’s considered one of the deadliest mass shootings by a single gunman world wide.

      Not trying to snark or anything. I actually believe you are on to something but omitting one Seung-Hui Cho I felt was a pretty big omission.

    124. The only way we will know for sure if the serotonin uptake inhibitors are causing people to commit suicide and violent attacks against other people at a higher rate than these people will commit suicide and attack other people because of their underlying mental illness will be to conduct a very large placebo controlled double blind clinical trial in patients with these mental illness and run the studies for an extremely long period of time with an enormous study group. Since the shootings are rare the number of patients involved will be enormous and quite costly. If older tranquilizers and antidepressants are not thought to have these adverse effects they could be used in place of placebo so that all patients are offered some therapy rather than having a placebo group. However if older antidepressants also may cause suicide and violent behavior the difference between the rates in an older med group versus a newer serotonin uptake inhibitor group may not be statistically different which could mean both groups have the drug-induced problem at similar rates or the drugs used in both groups are not causing the suicides and violent behavior and the rates being seen in both groups are due to the underlying psychiatric diseases. There are concerns about the ethics of leaving seriously depressed patients on placebo however if these drugs really are dangerous and causing suicide and violent behavior like mass killings perhaps a placebo controlled trial could be performed with intensive patient followup to
      prevent actual suicides and violence by detecting early manifestations of these reactions. Perhaps the study could be limited to severely depressed institutionalized patients only where they would already have the intensive monitoring to prevent actual harm to themselves or others. If a new drug with dissimilar mechanism of action to SRI’s is discovered and shown effective for depression this new drug could be substituted for placebo in the two armed double blind trial and the trial would not have an ethical problem.

      Other drugs have had similar charges against them about causing more harm than good. Aspirin once daily was prescribed to prevent a first
      heart attack and used for many years. Finally a very large NIH clinical trials was performed against placebo and it was shown that Aspirin causes as many or more patients to die due to serious GI bleeding than were saved by preventing a heart attack. Use of aspirin for primary prevention of heart attacks is no longer considered appropriate therapy. Similarly many anti-arrhythmic drugs were shown to be very effective at blocking VPDs and they were presumed to prevent life-threatening arrhythmias like V. fibrillation and V. tachycardia. Initial trials showed the drugs had some pro-arrhythmia effects including perhaps causing some deaths but certainly making the rat e of VPDs higher than before treatment rather then suppressing them. A large NIH study finally showed the anti-arrhythmic drugs were causing more deaths due to serious cardiac arrhythmia than in patients treated with an implantable pacemaker which really was saving patients; lives.

      In none of these instances was there a conspiracy of the drug companies to market dangerous drugs. It was a case of not being able to conduct the definitives trials than show an effect on long term mortality for quite some time due to the enormous cost of these types of studies until finally NIH funded the study and it was performed.
      Demanding mortality studies for all new drugs would be so costly and time consuming that it is feared that requiring them for all new drugs would probably block the development of many new drugs just because pharmaceutical companies can’t afford to do these enormous studies. Patients would feel that effective drugs were deliberately being kept off the market by drug companies if this were the case.

    125. There are 60,000,000 people in the US that have recently taken or are taking psychotropic drugs. Ask not what causes someone to do such violence, but ask what restrains the people that don’t do such violence. This is the key. Tell people why they should not do this type thing. Perhaps many others are acting out their resentment in other ways. Really what all these have in common is uncontrolled anger and resentment.

    126. There’a definitely an interesting question raised by this article, but like too many of the articles on both sides of the gun debate, it oversimplifies. To say that, because psychotropics may well be a factor, one should simply ignore the role of firearms in these shootings is not a logical train of thought.

      If people would stop pointing fingers at one another and focus on the issue, something might happen. In contrast to what this article states, advertised side effects of psychotropics include depression, possible psychotic behavior, and so on, and in my opinion they are over-prescribed to a degree which is in itself a form of insanity. However, one cannot ignore that presumably the drugs were prescribed because the shooters already had emotional or mental problems.

      Furthermore, one cannot ignore that many if not most were under the age of 18 and using weapons belonging to parents or other family members. Irresponsible gun ownership plays a large role. Frankly, I believe that if you have a depressed teen with serious behavior issues in your home and you also keep firearms there, you are stupid, insane, or both.

      Many of the other firearms were acquired at gun shows or on the internet, with woefully inadequate or non-existent background checks, most notably the Virginia Tech shooting. There is a definite need for closer regulation here. The simple fact is that, Second Amendment or not, some people simply should not have access to firearms. These include those with a history of various mental illnesses. Our forefathers never intended that we should arm lunatics.

      And then there is the possible role of violent movies, TV and games, the problem of absentee parents, and so on and on. To try to treat a complex problem as a single-issue situation is polarizing and counterproductive.
      The tendency to try

    127. My wife and I did a tv show 3 years ago presenting the same facts as the above article.The “hate”mail was overwhelming!Why?Two fold.First you are going to be hated by the liberals who want us to believe guns are the problem and want them banned.Part of the “anything but personal responsibility generation”.I guess if we “ban”mattresses we will also stop prostitution.Secondly is the sad fact that you put your finger on what is become the “first love”of America’s masses;”no more pain or sorrow feel good drugs!”This billion dollar industry promises “miracles”in a bottle to all who will step up and swallow.The “gaping whole”in the American physique(mind)and soul has been predictably created as a result over the last several decades by a departure from clear thinking,clean living and yes “absolutes”of what is right and wrong.ITS TIME for us to unapologetically return to the faith of our fathers and the God of all mercys in Christ our Lord!

    128. Kip Kinkle’s father called the Doctor’s office on Friday and told them that the new medication he had been put on was causing him to be worse. He was told that the doctor was gone for the weekend, to bring him in on Monday. By Monday both hos parents were dead and he was on a shooting rampage at school. He was convicted and sent to prison. From all accounts, since his meds were changed he has not been a problem in over 14 years. I am told by another prisoner who knows him that he is a really nice guy. He will never have a life as a result of the wrong meds being given him.

    129. This is what I got out of this article:

      1. In order for these kids to be taking the drugs, obviously there is a history/problem with irrational behavior. The drugs are the symptom, perhaps not the cause of these murderer’s problems in every case.
      The drugs usually aren’t the right answer to the kid’s problems, but sometimes a parent may be at their wit’s end and are uninformed, or be an absent/irresponsible parent and just want a quick fix for their kid’s problem.

      2. While I am fervently opposed to gun control, these examples cite fairly young children doing the shooting. I AM opposed to kids having access to guns, especially if they are recieving psychiatric treatment in any form. Refer back to the previous statemnt about the “Quick Fix Parent” or the one who has just given up.
      If your kid is a minor (like most but not all of the tragedies listed above), and you or a court or a school feels the need to make you put your child on psychotropic drugs, it stands to reason that you just don’t make weapons available.
      I completely understand that if a kid wants to find a gun, he will find one somehow, somewhere. But still, in that case, the parent is letting their kid run around, with friends whose parents have accessible guns (if your kid is messed up and on these meds, I would check out his friends and their parents and ask the right questions), or their kid is out there with enough cash to buy a weapon on the street.

      I am as against gun control as the next person (born and raised in Texas), but when it comes to my kid, as a parent, there needs to be a lot more oversight there. Yes, kids should be taught to respect and learn gun rules early, but if for some reason, they are doing things or feeling things badly enough to warrant treatment, just for safety’s sake, I would lock the guns up. I would also be a lot more viligant about whose houses they were hanging out in, talk to friends’ parents, ask them to do me this favor and put them away while my kid is there, etc.
      Parents can’t control everything, and I realize that not all parents are as vigilant as I would be. But at least I would know I did what I could.

    130. Many people are helped by antidepressants. Making a case that all/most of these killings had one thing in common as an indictment of an entire class of proven, helpful drugs is irresponsible. Another thing most of these killings has in common – they are all male killers…therefore should we ban men? Women, please don’t answer that rhetorical question!!

    131. Wait, did you guys read the title????
      “Nearly Every Mass SHOOTING In The Last 20 Years Shares One Thing In Common, & It’s NOT Weapons”

      I believe that SHOOTINGS require weapons. Null point.

      Also, as a mental health provider, I can say that this author has an opinion (that he is free to share, of course!), yet has not provided adequately fact-checked material. We all want answers, but it’s never a single blame.

    132. OK this isn’t a representative sample of the general population nor a representative sample of people who have used anti psychotics or SSRI’s. It is only a sample of people who were so screwed up that they thought it was OK to take a gun to school or somewhere else and shoot people. It is also only a sample of US citizens, and those with easy access to guns. Also this “study” doesn’t seem to be cited anywhere else. The conclusion shouldn’t be that Guns are good and SSRI’s are bad. The conclusion is that people with mental illnesses should receive appropriate treatment and should assessed properly vis a vis their access to guns. I have no proof for this article, but when I read this bullshit I am reminded of the nonsense about psychiatry preached by scientology. Regulate guns and there will be fewer shootings – simple.

    133. If you pay attention to the “cases” quoted her the majority of the shooters and or suicides are kid 17 and under. I agree there has not been enough testing on these drugs on kids to understand how they work… But I have been on SSRI drugs for many many years as I am manic depressive with anxiety disorder And my doctor has always been good to tell me side effects as does my pharmacist and I look them up myself…
      These drugs are vital to some of us so we can just function on a daily basis. I know I would be bed ridden if I were not on my meds..I still have suicidal ideas but it is part my illness.

    134. Makes sense…another good reason why background checks are so important before buying firearms.

    135. “One need only Google relevant key words” pretty much indicates how accurate I think this is.

      Anyone can Google a bunch of statistics and make a bunch of false assumptions based on them. When are people going to starting taking responsibility for their actions instead of blaming everything but themselves?

    136. so blaming the medication is simply the answer? blaming guns is simply the answer? there is no simple answer to these tragedies. Many of these individuals committing these crimes are young children with undeveloped brains. Now add psychotropic medication, which by the way is an unheard of amounts for young teens, is not the only answer. The doses of medication are affecting the brain which in turn causes the outrageous side effects. What one may believe is the right thing to do to escape pain and suffering is not what majority of society would say is right. Does it have a role, yes probably. However that being said, every medication that was mentioned within this article I have been on, and in extreme amounts to battle my many bouts with depression. So if SSRI’s, antipsychotic medication and anti-anxiety pills are to blame than why have I not committed a mass tragedy and taken my own life? Instead I turned my disease into a passion to help others and am currently pursing a PhD in Clinical Psychology to help children believe they are good people in a dark place. The medication is not the sole cause of blame. Perhaps we should be turning our attention to how these children walked into these dark places. How about we take some action upon the first warning signs instead of sit around and point fingers at guns, drugs or media. Lets put the children first for once so we can have a brighter happier future.

    137. All that tells me is that most of the people in the cases you cited were mentally ill. Did you know mistakenly treating a schizophrenic with an antidepressant can lead to a psychotic break. Did you know many of our jails have more people who are mentally ill and never received treatment that actually bad or evil people. Many crimes and horrific acts of violence could be prevented if only families and the medical community could place these people in the hospital for observation if they feared they might lose control or do something dangerous. But individual freedom ACLU and lack of government and insurance funding prevent pre-emptive care. This also tragically fills our jails and the ranks of homeless people.

    138. Woah! I thought that if psychotropic drugs were common in nearly every mass shooting over the last 20 years that all of those shooting would have two things in common…drugs AND weapons.

      And to think, this whole time I thought that the only way me, my friends, or other innocent people could be killed in a mass shooting was if there was a weapon involved! Boy was I wrong! Silly me!

      Oh wait…this sadly titled piece was written by a staunch gun supporter, for a website called ammoland, and doesn’t list any credible sources?

      See, I too encourage people to make up their own minds, yet also encourage the people that want a potentially more helpful and objective opinion on the topic to not get it here.

      I mean, while one might assume that people crazy enough to shoot a lot of people might be taking something for their craziness. I know I personally have no authority on the subject and have no right to make any assumptions for or against that argument….and while I have no problem with people’s views on either side of this topic, it just bothers me when people write really subjective articles with the intention of making their readers think that they are just reading another quality piece of unbiased journalism.

    139. I’m pretty sure countries like Britain, Germany, Japan, Spain, France, Canada, Italy, Australia, Netherlands etc all have mentally ill people who take meds – so why don’t they have mass public shootings, never mind an average of one every 8 days since Sandy Hook?

    140. I had a brain aneurysm a few years back and have always had problems with depression. I am one of those people that are not consistent with taking the antidepressants because I could never find the right thing. And after the aneurysm it all got much worse. I have since had to remove myself from all of these drugs because I get extremely agitated and have problems controlling my anger. It took me quite a while to figure out what was triggering me but I decided to try without them and although I haven’t had all perfect days I definitely don’t have as many extreme bad days as I once did. I don’t believe that this is the answer to our mental health problems but a band aid and a way to make the healthcare system more damn money than they already have. These medicines are poison and I have learned that first hand not by a testimony or some article I read. By living through it daily. But the government has to make their billions some way right?

    141. The simple truth is that, despite all our improved imaging technologies to look at the brain morphology and activity – and our knowledge of its functional areas – as they relate to identification of specific functions by morphology and even genetics … our knowledge of functioning of the brain is still very crude … very granular and gross in nature. Clinicians are pressured by multiple factors including their own desire to find solutions and help, to the economics of the medical system – to friends, relatives, and parents of patients … to find solutions. Usually the only arrow in their quiver that they can deploy for a solution is pharmacological. So they do what they can – and even those few (most will not) who will admit that it is very poor and imperfect as a solution, have no other real options – so they too simply write a pharma prescription. MOST of the pharma dispensed is neither due to true and intractable mental illness nor a solution to it. It is a profitable way of efficiently getting everyone thru a medical office and ensuring ongoing income from repeat visits. Pretty simple really – follow the money.

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    143. Mental health is the avenue to gun confiscation..

      300 million prescriptions for psychiatric drugs were written in 2009 alone..
      Where would politicians and media begin the confiscation – maybe parents
      of children with ADHD, the list is endless….

    144. Maybe it is just me. But when I see careless spelling errors and poor grammar in an article, I tend to dismiss the whole thing… and the author too.

      Someone else posted this… it is the simplest and most logical response to the article:

      Correlation does NOT equal causation.

      The fact that these people were on meds means that someone was trying to help them.

      I’m no fan of Big Pharma’s role in our healthcare system. They are a corruptive force in providing objective care. But it is not their fault… it is our government that allows the exploitive position that is held by the drug companies in this country. As a for-profit business, a pharmaceutical company MUST have their bottom line as their top priority. That means that sales and marketing MUST come before all other concerns, including public health. There is no way to get around this. The only way to keep this corruptive force from influencing public health decisions is to regulate it. We need to work on this… but I have veered off-course from the topic…

      Gun violence, even when perpetrated by folks who are taking similar types of meds, is not the sole fault of the drugs, nor the drug companies, nor the guns, nor the gun makers, nor our schools, nor ad-nauseam. I am not sure why we seem to have a need to have ONE root cause. Guns are not the killers, but, as Eddie Izzard says, they do help. Maybe the drugs helped as well. But let’s use our heads, folks.

      If we can agree that most of the gun violence that has been highlighted here was carried out by people that needed psychiatric help, then I think it is worth noting that they were all being getting it. I realize that a prescription is not evidence of an effective treatment plan for any given person. But it is evidence of doctor’s care. Doctor’s do not write scripts unless a patient comes to them.

      Don’t give up your guns. Don’t give up your meds. Don’t give up on our system.

    145. SSRI’s + Hypnosis = Monarch Mind Control.
      There are hundreds of unsuspecting “patients” waiting for their cue. They will think they are protecting their grandmother from a polar bear as they shoot down innocent “munchkins”. They will remember nothing afterward. Like Holmes & Lanza.

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    147. A significant number of people killing others, especially in mass shootings or other type of murders that get media attention have one thing in common. They have history of mental illness. Today, in the US, it is very unlikely that most of these people would not have had some contact with mental health professionals some time in their past. The nature of mental illness being one that, the more severe it is, the more likely it will affect the person’s rational capacity and prevent them from truly recognizing they are ill. This prevents them from seeking treatment and staying in treatment. More over, treatment for mental illness available is less than perfect. Medicines, psychotherapy all can help but they are not curative but they can make the person less ill and less dangerous to themselves and others,
      (Remember there is no cure for most human ailments and this thought should help us from getting too pessimistic about mental illnesses). Most severely mentally ill do not stay in treatment on their own. Even when they are forced into treatment by courts the results in most cases are less than satisfactory. We cannot blame others for it. It is the state of our understanding of mental illnesses and treatment today. Only our own effort with research into the causes of mental illnesses, especially biological / genetic research and then finding remedies for the factors that are underlying each type of mental illness will result in an improvement in this situation. We need more serious, dedicated researchers, doctors, and other providers to bring about an improvement in this situation. At the very least it will take centuries of effort but each little step in the right direction will be an improvement. it is perhaps the biggest challenge humanity faces today.
      Now, as to medicines being the culprit in these cases – that view point may not be correct in many , if not most cases. Many mentally ill people are brought to psychiatrists or may even initially come to a psychiatrist on their own. But they often do not accept what the psychiatrists say and recommend. For example many bipolar or manic patients
      (who often end up committing crimes) will not accept medicines for bipolar illness or mania as these medicines have a subduing effect which they dislike. Yet they will often ask for and accept medicines for depression or other addictive medicines, They may have suffered from depression in the past and bipolar patients, for good reason are terrified of depressive episodes and they even continue taking antidepressants even when they are in a state of mania and psychosis. They may have seen a psychiatrist months back but then stop going for treatment but continue to take antidepressants when they should not.This is one reason we often here some mass murderers have a history of being on antidepressants such as Prozac. Add to this, Psychiatrists, other care givers, hospitals all being less than competent and dedicated, over burdened, budget cuts, long term stay hospitals closing,poor policy decisions by state and federal governments – all put together and we have the perfect storm of the mentally ill entangled in mass murder scenarios time after time.
      The central piece of this puzzle is often mental illness. In the past a mentally ill person may have ran around throwing punches or pulled a knife on someone. Today a deranged person murders masses of people with a machine gun. The illness and derangement are the same, but the weapon they have access to is different. And that makes the catastrophe much worse.
      Let us think rationally to understand this calamity we are facing. Only we can solve the problem. One step at a time. We need more young people to go into serious research into the etiology and treatment of mental illnesses and to educate the public, especially the politicians about the complex issues involving mental illnesses and their impact on the individual and society. To do that first and foremost we need to become educated and rational thinkers on the subject. Step two is develop capacity to become serious students and researchers dealing with the issue of mental illness in an honest and in depth manner, putting away our pre-conceptions as we study the topic with an open mind to become as competent and effective as we can in dealing with this subject . Always remember: serious mental illness is a brain disorder and a deranged brain cannot judge itself.. There in lies the dilemma of the serious mentally ill.. All other things are important but secondary to these simple facts
      Advice from an old man. (sorry for the typos in this hurried writing from the heart)

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