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Time Runing Out to Comment On ATF’s Disastrous Proposed Rulemaking

Virginia Citizens Defense League

Virginia Citizens Defense League

Covington VA --( For those of you who are not familiar with the issue, the ATF is proposing to modify the regulations governing NFA applications for trusts, corporations, and other non-individual legal entities.

If you are not a NFA collector, you might be tempted to ask “Why should I care?”  The answer is that the proposed rulemaking will have disastrous consequences for collectors, the firearms industry, and ultimately the Second Amendment itself.

The Issue

Current ATF regulations require an individual applicant to comply with a number of requirements that ‘legal-entity’ applicants are exempt from.  The most important of these is the requirement that applicants get ‘approval’ from their local chief law-enforcement officer (CLEO) before an application may be submitted.  This is known colloquially as the ‘CLEO Sign-off.’

In many jurisdictions, the CLEO will not sign the form which acts as a complete and arbitrary ban on the acquisition.

That’s where the NFA trust (or other legal entity) comes into the picture.  Currently, legal-entity applicants do not need CLEO Sign-off.  This allows applicants in those jurisdictions where the CLEOs will not sign to avoid the de-facto ban that individual applicants face.

The proposed change wants to do away with this option.  It would require that all ‘responsible persons’ of a legal entity complete the same requirements that individual purchasers must currently complete including the process of securing a CLEO sign off which would subject legal-entity applicants to the same arbitrary bans that CLEOs have been using against individual applicants.

But it doesn’t end there.  The proposed change would also require that any new ‘responsible person’ of the legal entity submit a form  5320.23 along with fingerprints, photographs, and CLEO sign-off within 30 days of assuming their position with the legal entity.

What Can You Do To Help?

The rulemaking process requires that the public and those affected by a proposed rule have an option to comment on the proposed rule.  This is known as the ‘notice and comment period.’  The notice and comment period for this proposed rulemaking ends on December 9th.

We need you to make your voice heard.  At the bottom of this article is a link that will take you to where you may submit your own comment.  The following are suggested comments you might consider:

Suggested Comment #1

Rulemaking which imposes such a significant burden upon both citizens and industry should not be undertaken lightly.  Here, we have burdensome rulemaking which has the potential to damage or destroy segments of one of America’s few growing industries and it is not based upon an identified problem.  Rather, it is based upon mere conjecture.

Suggested Comment #2

ATF’s assertion in the proposed rulemaking that a disqualified person might form a trust or other legal entity in order to avoid undergoing a background check runs counter to current ATF directives.  Since 2009, ATF has required that the responsible party who picks up an NFA item from a dealer pursuant to an approved Form 4 and tax stamp complete a 4473 form and undergo an individual background check prior to taking possession of the NFA item.

Suggested Comment #3

NFA items are expensive, already heavily regulated, and virtually unheard of in criminal hands.  In fact, there have only been two crimes committed with NFA items during the last 79 years and both of those were crimes committed by law enforcement officers.  This despite the fact that there are over a quarter of a million legally owned pre-1986 machine guns in the ATF registry and untold tens of thousands of AOWs and suppressors.

Suggested Comment #4

The ATF stated in the proposed rulemaking that they had complied with the Regulatory Flexibility Act.  However, there is no indication in the proposed rulemaking that the needs of small businesses were considered. Instead, the ATF took a ‘one-size-fits-all’ approach to regulating which will have a devastating impact upon the many small businesses that supply the NFA market.

Suggested Comment #5

The proposed rulemaking intrudes unnecessarily upon the sovereignty of states by interfering with the lawful uses of trust instruments for legitimate estate planning purposes.  In addition, the proposed rulemaking demonstrates a complete lack of understanding of the many ways that a trust might be used to pass assets on to one’s heirs.  By defining the term ‘responsible person’ so broadly as to include beneficiaries, one finds oneself having to contemplate the absurd possibility of fingerprinting, photographing, and securing CLEO sign-offs for unborn children.

Suggested Comment #6

ATF’s assertion that CLEOs who had been unwilling to sign off on applications in the past would do so in the future based upon changes in the wording of the certification has been proven to be false.  When contacted, numerous CLEOs who have refused to sign in the past have stated that nothing in the new verbiage would change their mind about signing certifications in the future.  The proposed rulemaking would result in thousands of law-abiding collectors being banned from going through the very process that the ATF NFA Branch is charged with overseeing.

Suggested Comment #7

By requiring that any new ‘responsible person’ submit a 5320.23 as well as a CLEO sign-off within 30 days of their appointment, the proposed rulemaking radically intrudes upon the traditional uses of trusts and upon the rights of settlors to manage their estate plans.

Suggested Comment #8

ATF has failed to consider less intrusive forms of regulation that might accomplish the same goals.  By eliminating the CLEO sign-off and narrowing the definition of ‘responsible person’, ATF could still require fingerprints and background checks on the person primarily responsible for a legal entity application without exposing law-abiding citizens to the arbitrary and capricious CLEO sign-off ban.

Suggested Comment #9

Passage of this proposed rule would do nothing to enhance safety but would only place additional bureaucratic roadblocks in front of law-abiding collectors and swamp ATF staff who are already overwhelmed.  The result would be a drastic increase in the processing time for NFA applications and potentially a collapse of the booming suppressor industry.

These are merely suggestions.  You are welcome to pick one or more of the above comments or write your own but now that you know just how significant the issue is we are facing, I urge you to head on over to the page for the proposed rulemaking and make your voice heard!

Thank you!

Virginia Citizens Defense League, Inc. (VCDL). VCDL is an all-volunteer, non-partisan grassroots organization dedicated to defending the human rights of all Virginians. The Right to Keep and Bear Arms is a fundamental human right. Visit:

  • 6 User comments to “Time Runing Out to Comment On ATF’s Disastrous Proposed Rulemaking”

    1. Misti Folse on December 10, 2013 at 1:56 PM said:

      NFA items are expensive, already heavily regulated, and virtually unheard of in criminal hands. In fact, there have only been two crimes committed with NFA items during the last 79 years and both of those were crimes committed by law enforcement officers. This despite the fact that there are over a quarter of a million legally owned pre-1986 machine guns in the ATF registry and untold tens of thousands of AOWs and suppressors.

    2. Buck Crosby on December 11, 2013 at 11:23 AM said:

      Shutdown and eliminate the constitutionally illegal BATF&E . There should NOT be an agency just for controlling LEGAL products like Alcohol , tobacco , and firearms . They need to be eliminated as does the IRS , they are just as discriminatory and out of control .

    3. Bob McKenna on December 11, 2013 at 1:01 PM said:

      Don’t back away from this because you aren’t a collector. Any arbitrary rule creation or changes by the criminal BATFE need to be protested and stopped.
      Thesir “rules” ALWAYS spell danger for all gun owners, not just collectors.

    4. Raymond Miller on December 11, 2013 at 9:20 PM said:

      I received this on Dec. 12,that don’t leave a lot of time to respond to the Dec. 9th dead line. The wheels have fallen off of my time machine so I can’t go back, shucks doggone it.

    5. I received a similar notice months ago. Commenting then. This notice should have been sent on the 1st or the 5th if they really wanted more people to comment! This is basic registration regulations. Because the 2ndA demands the right to own and bare arms. The Feds are using NSA and background checks to establish registration without the consent of the people against constitutional limitations. Right now an ‘entity’ with CLEO can hold in trust guns for individuals which have not gone through a background check, so the gov can have a registration of ownership. In this case I don’t know a solution. If the background checks were not a defacto registration then I would say force the ‘entities’ to require a criminal check before delivery of any firearm currently required to have an NICS. But that’s the whole problem right now. NICS needs to be reformed to do what it was intended to do. NOT create an unofficial registration without any controls on the Feds as to how it is to be used. Right now if the U.N. asked for the list of gun owners, government would give it to them, because it isn’t considered a registration. Obviously no one in the government who has bought a gun since 1986 would be on the list handed over for ‘security’ reasons. But you can bet your last dollar a common citizen would be on it. As a potential international terrorist.

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