.224 Valkyrie vs. 6.5 Grendel: The Ultimate Battle of 1,000 Yard AR-15s

.224 Valkyrie vs. 6.5 Grendel: The Ultimate Battle of 1,000 Yard AR-15s
.224 Valkyrie vs. 6.5 Grendel: The Ultimate Battle of 1,000 Yard AR-15s

U.S.A.-(Ammoland.com)- Your AR-15 is a ton of fun at close range. Punching holes in cardboard, demolishing milk jugs, pure semi-automatic joy as fast as you can take aim and pull the trigger. But you get no respect from the precision bolt-action rifle shooter at the range who says, “you can’t hunt with that thing anyway,” or “you can’t hit a barn door at 700 yards.” He throws you a smug look before settling in behind the wood stock of his prized bolt-action. When he fires, there’s a pause of silence, then “tink” as you hear the steel ring from THAT gong. The one you never even try to hit with your AR-15, the one that’s 1,000 yards away.

But, what if your AR-15 was capable of a one-shot takedown of game animals all the way up to the biggest mule deer in North America? What if your AR-15 could shoot in semi-automatic with sub-MOA accuracy to 1,000 yards and beyond? In 2018, you can! That precision bolt-action shooter is going to be annoyed when you’re ringing that 1,000-yard gong with your AR-15 three times faster than he can. But how?

6.5 Grendel – a Hunting Cartridge that Surprises Everyone

In 2004 Alexander Arms released the 6.5 Grendel, developed by putting a 6.5mm bullet into a necked down 7.62×39 casing. The 6.5 Grendel was designed for hunters to use on deer-sized animals out to 300-400 yards, beyond the effective range of any .223 Remington hunting ammo. The effectiveness at hunting was quickly overshadowed by Grendel’s surprising accuracy. Excellent sub-MOA (less than 1” spread at 100 yards) groups are easily obtainable. With the right barrel length and bullet combination, 6.5 Grendel is capable of supersonic flight past 1,200 yards.

ODIN Works 18" 6.5 Grendel Type II Intermediate Length Complete Upper - 15.5" M-LOK Rail
ODIN Works 18″ 6.5 Grendel Type II Intermediate Length Complete Upper – 15.5″ M-LOK Rail

.224 Valkyrie Takes Flight

.224 Valkyrie is the hot new caliber everyone is talking about. Federal Premium Ammunition released the Valkyrie in 2017, derived from a 6.8 SPC casing necked down to accept .224 caliber bullets. Valkyrie utilizes a smaller, lighter bullet than 6.5 Grendel, and it’s shape takes advantage of everything learned about bullet design in the 14 years since Grendel was released. Federal developed a new round that is twice as aerodynamically efficient as the 5.56 NATO round. The .224 Valkyrie boasts supersonic flight beyond 1,300 yards with less wind drift and drop than comparable rounds at the 1,000-yard milestone.

American Defense 22" .224 Valkyrie Universal Improved Carbine Mod 2 Rifle - 15" M-LOK Handguard
American Defense 22″ .224 Valkyrie Universal Improved Carbine Mod 2 Rifle – 15″ M-LOK Handguard

Let the Battle Begin!

The Primary Arms Battle E-mail Series takes you through side-by-side comparisons to help you choose which round is best for you. As we compare the two we have chosen several categories that will assist you on your buying decision.

Head to Head Ballistics

Bullets lose all chance of accuracy when they slow from supersonic to subsonic speed. The 6.5 Grendel and the .224 Valkyrie were designed to extend the range of the AR-15 beyond 1,000 yards. They each take a very different approach. The Grendel uses a heavier, longer, and fatter bullet measuring .264” in diameter that maintains supersonic flight past 1,200 yards. The Valkyrie uses a .224” diameter bullet that is longer and heavier than the .223 and stays supersonic past 1,300 yards.

Reading ballistics data isn’t for everyone, so we will keep it short and simple (ample data exists on each round and can be easily searched). Our discussion on the ballistics of the two rounds starts with their Ballistic Coefficient (BC). In layman’s terms, BC is a number that measures a bullet’s aerodynamics; for comparison purposes bigger numbers are better. Beyond BC, wind drift, bullet drop and terminal energy are all important factors in determining which is the better round.

Federal Premium Ammunition produced a study comparing different calibers of their Gold Medal ammunition.

* based on independent calculations

Long range ballistics are the Valkyrie’s song. With similar BC and outperforming 6.5 Grendel on wind drift and bullet drop, .224 Valkyrie takes a slight edge here. It’s easy to see, however, that both calibers leave even the best .223 Remington match grade bullets lagging. While the .224 Valkyrie appears to be more accurate based upon the ballistics chart, the success is countered by the heavier 6.5 Grendel’s delivery of nearly 40% more ft-lbs of energy at that distance. Which caliber is best for you will be determined by your use and ultimate requirements.

Winner: .224 Valkyrie

THE DEER HUNTER

If you want to hunt larger animals such as deer or mountain goats, 6.5 Grendel is for you. Make no mistake, 6.5 Grendel packs a wallop. At 300 yards it has more than double the kinetic energy of a .30-30 cartridge, and almost 4x the energy of a 75 grain .223 Remington hunting load. Because the bullet weighs so much more, Grendel doesn’t rely on velocity for its terminal effect on animals, so you don’t lose much effectiveness by choosing a 16” or 18” barrel. Grendel makes for a lightweight, handy hunting rifle that can be carried all day long and fired standing or from a hasty supported position. Valkyrie runs into a problem Grendel doesn’t have: many states have laws banning hunting medium to large game with .22 caliber cartridges of any kind, with no exceptions.

Winner: 6.5 Grendel

VARMINT VAPORIZERS

Almost all .224 Valkyrie barrels are 22-24” long to maximize velocity. Due to its smaller bore shooting a lighter bullet, .224 Valkyrie rifles exhibit much less recoil than 6.5 Grendel—up to half as much, depending on the loading. It’s no wonder that prairie dog hunters are anxious to try Valkyrie. 6.5 Grendel responds to the challenge by demonstrating its flexibility, with dedicated varmint loads available. Federal’s example features a 90 grain boat-tail hollow point bullet screaming out of the barrel at 3000 fps muzzle velocity. 6.5 Grendel is right at home when hunting hogs or coyotes.

Winner: Draw

THE 1000 YARD GONG

What if you aren’t hunting and you just want to ring that gong at 1,000 yards? Both calibers will get you there. Many shooters regularly take 6.5 Grendel to 1,000 successfully. However, .224 Valkyrie exhibits generally less bullet drop and wind drift than 6.5 Grendel, recoils less, and doesn’t cost more to set up or to shoot. It may not have much kinetic energy to spare at 1,000 yards, but Valkyrie flies better than any other cartridge developed for the AR-15.

Winner: .224 Valkyrie

Parts Availability, Conversions and Complications

With a 14-year head start on the market, there are more offerings of Grendel parts across a wider range of prices and configurations; .224 Valkyrie has a lot of catching up to do. At a minimum, both the Grendel and Valkyrie require a different bolt, barrel, and magazine when compared to a standard 5.56 NATO AR-15. Most enthusiasts choose to buy or assemble a dedicated complete upper in one caliber for easy interchangeability with their favorite AR-15 lower.

Ballistic Advantage 20" 6.5 Grendel Type II 1:8 DMR Rifle Barrel
Ballistic Advantage 20″ 6.5 Grendel Type II 1:8 DMR Rifle Barrel
ODIN Works 6.5 Grendel Type II Black Nitride Bolt Carrier Group
ODIN Works 6.5 Grendel Type II Black Nitride Bolt Carrier Group

Safety Note: Choosing 6.5 Grendel comes with an added complication. There are “Type I” and “Type II” bolt/barrel specifications out there, and you CAN NOT mix and match parts for each of them without risk of damage and/or injury. Type II is by far the most popular configuration, but pay attention to what you are buying! A Type I bolt won’t chamber rounds in a Type II barrel at all. Even worse, a Type II bolt mated to a Type I barrel will create excessive headspace and result in a rifle that is dangerous to fire.

Faxon Firearms 20" .224 Valkyrie Rifle Length Gunner Barrel
Faxon Firearms 20″ .224 Valkyrie Rifle Length Gunner Barrel
Cryptic Coatings 6.8 SPC / .224 Valkyrie AR-15 Bolt Carrier Group - Mystic Silver
Cryptic Coatings 6.8 SPC / .224 Valkyrie AR-15 Bolt Carrier Group – Mystic Silver

The magazine styles differ slightly, but both include shallow reinforcing ribs and modified followers. Grendel shooters benefit from years of magazine design refinement—6.5 Grendel mags are reliable, durable, and affordable. Valkyrie uses 6.8 SPC magazines which vary widely in price and quality.

Winner: 6.5 Grendel

FEEDING THE BEAST

Surprisingly, when it comes to match grade ammunition, the brand new .224 Valkyrie is not measurably more expensive than 6.5 Grendel. Match grade ammo prices for either caliber are pretty comparable to .308 Winchester. The bottom line is that quality match-grade ammo is more expensive than mil-spec or surplus 5.56 NATO, no matter which path you take. Expect to pay somewhere between $1.15 and $1.25 per shot for the good stuff. Range grade and plinking ammunition exists for both calibers at about $0.50 per shot.

Winner: Draw

TWO PATHS TO PERFECTION

A larger, heavier bullet, or a smaller, faster bullet? Those who prefer a proven system, want to hunt medium to large game, or demand a short, handy rifle will find a trusty friend in 6.5 Grendel. Shooters who like to shoot at long range targets, enjoy varmint hunting with a low recoiling rifle, and plan to shoot exclusively from supported positions should give .224 Valkyrie serious consideration. Let your own priorities be your guide—we’ll see you out on the range.


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mike

these articles always make me laugh the 244 Valkyrie is loaded in a 22 inch barrel and uses a 90 grain .563 bc bullet which is one of the highest if not the highest bc bullets for the .224 cal bullet. And is said to beat the 6.5 Grendel but yet the Grendel is handicapped by using a 130 grain .569 bc bullet at 18 in barrel speeds, who writes this stuff. Lets run apples to apples how about a 24 inch barrel, 130 grain Nosler RDF at .615. still going 1447fps at 1000 yards real world measurement out of… Read more »

Dave

It’s somewhat comical to see people conflate wind drift and drop with accuracy. If you run the ballistics software of your choice, you’ll see the “danger space” for either of these cartridges gets very small indeed at 1000 meters – in other words, neither of them is shooting flat enough to get you a hit if you dial the wrong distance by more than a few feet. Wind drift is far more relevant, of course – making the wind call requires far more of the shooter, the drift is much less than the drop, and a bullet that drifts less… Read more »

Curt981

No one mentioning the 130 grain Grendel against the 90 Valk?? Hmm, that stinks, figures don’t lie but liars sure can figure. Let’s get some apples to watermelons comparison or would the drift and drop comparison not look so in favor of the Valk if both were putting 90’s downrange with equal length and twist barrels. Me thinks we would see more comparison in end ballistics,although I don’t have the data at hand to corroborate my hypothesis. Anybody out there have some data to help? Btw, the heaviest I’ve shot is 123 gn Hornady from my Alexander Arms 24″ Overwatch.… Read more »

Jordan

I really like the Grendel. I don’t have any experience with the .224 Val

John

One thing that is a huge factor – the Grendel has an overbore much lower than the .224 valkyrie. Barrel life will be 2-3x longer than the valkyrie

Dave

14 years of bullet design since the Grendel was developed? Seriously? The Ballistic Coefficient and Sectional Density of long skinny bullets has been known since long before WWII. I have been hunting with a 6.5×55 SE Gustav Mauser for well over 30 years. The 6.5 Grendel was developed as a much more effective caliber than the 5.56/.233. Incidentally the .223/5.56×45 has never been a suitable caliber for hunting deer. That of course will bring a plethora of responses defending their ARs. I do have a Howa 1500 Mini Action 6.5 Grendel set up similarly to Jeff Cooper’s Scout Rifle but… Read more »

William

I own both in multiple barrel length and have shot hundreds of rounds from each. For hunting larger game, the Grendel is the ticket. For coyote, the Valkyrie does a great job. For reloading, I like being able to resize 7.62×39 brass for the Grendel. But, I like being able to use my 223 bullets for the Valkyrie (6.8 SPC brass is easy to get for resizing). For SBR or pistol, the Grendel. For over 500 yards, the Valkyrie.

In other words, both have a place and both are great rounds.

Stihere76430

If you run out of grendel brass you can make them out of the 39 brass. With a good set of dies like Hornady you can even swedge the steelcased 39.s down to 6.5
Bn shooting 7.62X39 afew yrs and going to get a grendel barrel for my AR soon i hope

Roger Biggs

so… 224 scores two wins for the same stats (wind drift and drop)? let me explore the stats a little further here.. drop and drift are measured in the same units and can be described as a right angle triangle, the long side of which represents the deviation to point-of-aim. now lets see how that bears out with FEDERALS OWN NUMBERS (conflict of interest is obvious, but let’s give them the benefit of the doubt) 224 deviates 402.39 inches. Grendel deviates 518.73 inches. This is a big difference, and valk really shines! it’s a bit more than 25% more accurate,… Read more »

rxcowboy

Have been a fan of the 6.5’s for ten years (DPMS 260LR), and wanted a Grendel since it came out. Unfortunately, kids college educations, transportation, etc,etc have put a crimp on firearm expansion. However, a couple of weeks ago, Primary Arms ran a special on a 20″ fluted barrel and bolt, so I picked it up. At the price I will be able to get into the Grendel Club for around a couple of bills. Have a busy summer, but plan on getting set up this fall to see if it can do at 1000yds what the 260 can (with… Read more »