Five Gun Law Myths That Can Land You In Jail ~ Listen Now

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Five Gun Law Myths That Can Land You In Jail ~ Listen Now

New Jersey – -(AmmoLand.com)- In gun Lawyer, Evan Nappen’s most recent podcast he breaks down five gun law Myths that if you fall victim to can land you in jail. Listen now!

Gun Lawyer Episode 25 – Transcript

Gun Lawyer S1 Episode 25

SPEAKERS

Evan Nappen

Evan Nappen 00:19

I’m Evan Nappen and welcome to Gun Lawyer. So today I was thinking about this, and I have got to make sure that my listeners are protected. Lately I’ve been seeing so many cases of law-abiding gun owners being turned into law-abiding criminals, and I’ve noticed that there’s a belief in a number of gun law myths. I want to talk to you today about the five top myths about guns and gun laws that you need to know. There’s so much absolute garbage out there, particularly on the internet. You can see all kinds of things, and it’s just not true. There are people that believe it, and end up getting themselves in trouble. When they are put in that situation of having to deal with a stop or with police, they became vulnerable when they thought they were doing the right thing. Those are the most frustrating things, not just for me to defend, but it’s just sad, because the folks that do this are kicking themselves in the butt for doing it. They are beating themselves up because they can’t believe what they thought was wrong and because they’ve been doing it the whole time.

Evan Nappen 01:56

Let me give you a good example of such a thing. You may have heard that when you transport a firearm, you put your firearm in the trunk and your ammunition in the glove box. They separate it. I had a case just this week, where that’s exactly what my client did. He was coming from a southern state, and he said that’s what his father always told him. Keep the ammunition separate. Well, here’s my advice. Don’t keep your ammunition in your glove box despite what you may have heard. If you keep it in the glove box, what happens? Well, you get pulled over for a minor traffic violation like what happened to my client. What’s the first thing that the police say? “Your license, registration, and insurance.” And what do you do? You open the glove box to get out your paperwork. As soon as you do that, the officer sees ammunition or a magazine. Or a magazine with ammunition. I’m talking about a gun magazine, not Life magazine. A gun mag, a firearm component, a holster. Anything like that in your glove box, they now are going to have arguably probable cause to search your vehicle for other weapons. This is common, particularly in New Jersey.

Evan Nappen 03:35

It now can escalate the whole thing, and before you know it, in New Jersey, you’ll be facing charges for your cased, unloaded handgun that you had in the trunk. You are looking at a Second Degree charge, up to 10 years and State Prison, a minimum mandatory three and a half years, no chance of parole, because you left your magazine or your ammunition or your holster in the glove box. Whereas, if you had simply kept the gun unloaded and not had the ammunition in the glove box, guess what? You most likely wouldn’t have any of this trouble. It’s something that simple. That simple yet it can ruin your life. It can throw you into the judicial system. Where, if it’s New Jersey, your entire life can be ruined. Your career, your family, your hopes and dreams, no joke ruined, imprisoned. Three and a half years, no chance of parole. The Judge has no discretion in Jersey on that. All that, you’re going to face and have to fight. Think of the anxiety, the stress, the cost, all because you put those things in the glove box. You thought it was the right thing to do because you followed the myth. Whereas, if you hadn’t done that, most likely you wouldn’t even have a problem.

That’s how outrageous this is. It is a myth, and these myths hurt good people.

Evan Nappen 05:18

Now look, you might live in a jurisdiction where they have some law that says to put it in the glove box, but I’ve never heard of that. Federal law does not say that, even to transport under Title 18 926a. The ammunition should not be in the same lockbox as your gun. As long as it’s in a separate container and your gun is unloaded, you’re fine under Federal law. It does not ever say in the glove box. Now it’s true, if you had it in the glove box and it was locked, we would argue two separate containers but you don’t want to do that. Put it in its own little locking box and your gun in a locking case. Put it in the trunk or the back of your vehicle, cover it up, and make sure it’s locked. Now your gun is unloaded. The ammunition is separate. Part of being a gun owner today because of the enhanced scrutiny, media bias, narrative, agenda, hatred toward us, and fear mongering by the media, we have to be discreet with our guns. We have to be smart about our guns. You don’t want to become the next law-abiding criminal. So, myth number one is putting those things in the glove box.

Evan Nappen 06:39

I have heard a variation of this myth. I had a client who was driving around Jersey, and he had his Buck knife on top of the dash. Full size Buck knife. I asked him, why were you driving around with it up there? Well, he was told that as long as you have it in the open exposed on your car, you’re okay. And I’m like, that’s just an invite to be arrested. They look and see my big knife. Now, please arrest me. It’s a myth. Just the opposite. Granted, no one should be arrested for these things. They are victimless crimes, but it doesn’t matter. It’s not how it runs. It’s not how it operates. You’ll get dragged into the system on this. You do not want to have that happen.

Evan Nappen 07:24

Speaking of knives, here’s another myth, and it is one of my favorite myths. How many of you heard someone ask, ” hey, what’s the blade limit size on a knife? What’s the blade limit size? And let me tell you right now, the blade limit size of a knife is not the width of a fat cops palm. Okay? Not the width. No. How many times have you seen them say, “Let me put it against my palm and see. There is no palm knife law. No such thing. It’s a myth. This palm stuff. How many times have you seen that? Oh, look, it’s bigger than my palm. Well, that’s nice. Either you’ve got a small palm, or I’ve got a big knife. It doesn’t mean crap under the law. Nothing. So, please, this myth of blade length is wrong. Some jurisdictions do have blade length laws. Some jurisdictions do. I get that. But if they do, it is a measurement in inches. A measurement in a specific quantity that we recognize and can establish. That’s the amazing part about it.

Evan Nappen 08:52

Maybe your jurisdiction has a three and a half-inch blade length. Maybe it does, and you need to know that if you are in that jurisdiction. But it is not this weird palm thing that you see or hear all the time. Not at all. Interestingly, in New Jersey, as bad as they are, they do not have a blade length limit. It’s not about blade length at all. Length doesn’t matter in Jersey. No, it doesn’t because it’s not about that with knives. Know the jurisdiction that you’re in and what matters. But know for a fact that these other stories and weird things like palming your blade and all these are just nonsense. No basis whatsoever for that. You want to know the facts because if you have the screwed up information, you can end up in trouble. Maybe your jurisdiction does have a blade length, and maybe your palm is bigger than the blade length list. If you are doing this palm thing, all you are doing cities is setting yourself up for a problem. So, don’t do that. Be smart, be smart.

Evan Nappen 10:08

Take another myth, and it’s a myth that I understand. It is common in a lot of people believe it, but it’s not true. I’m sure most of you probably recognize this, but you would be surprised how many people don’t. I get case after case of people who didn’t know this. There is no national reciprocity for a carry license. I think there should be. Of course, you know, driver’s licenses are recognized in every state. It is not an illogical step to think that my gun license is recognized in all the states. It is a state that made it legal for me. In fact, they have given me this license after they ran a criminal background check and done things that never happen to get a driver’s license. You were not given a criminal background check and fingerprinted to get your driver’s license. But you were for your carry license if you live in a jurisdiction that issues carry licenses. So, it’s not a far leap to think that well, why wouldn’t all the states recognize my carry license? But they don’t. They don’t.

Evan Nappen 11:17

For example, New Jersey recognizes no other state’s license whatsoever. If you come to Jersey and you are transporting your handgun, thinking that you’re covered by a carry license from another state, you are not. Many people have suffered terrible consequences because they believed in the myth of reciprocity. It does not exist. That was Shaneen Allen’s mistake. She didn’t understand why her Pennsylvania license was not recognized. I’ve had case after case where individuals who come from another jurisdiction, believe that Jersey would be fair and reasonable and would, of course, respect a license from another state. But they don’t, and the charges are incredibly serious. Again, Second Degree, up to 10 years in State Prison, minimum mandatory three and a half years, no chance of parole. If you get convicted of that handgun, even though you have a carry license from another state, the judge has no discretion. Period. You are getting three and a half years as a minimum in State Prison. Think about how draconian and insane New Jersey’s law is, and how many folks unwittingly fall for this trap. In New Jersey, it is really bad news. So, you do not want to fall for the myth of reciprocity.

Evan Nappen 12:52

I will tell you another myth. This is one that you’ll hear at times when you talk with folks about self-defense. Some guy will say, “Oh, well, if I shoot some guy outside my house, I’m dragging them back in.” Like what is he now a houseguest? Or, “if I shoot some guy, I’m gonna plant a kitchen knife in his hand or a weapon. I got a throw away, and I’m gonna put it right in his hand.” Listen, it is a myth. Never, never mess with the scene. Don’t do it. It’s that simple. Because it will get discovered. It will get figured out. They are going to see the drag. They are going to see the blood. They are going to find prints, and they are going to do DNA. I mean, come on. When they determine that you screwed around with that, you have lost all credibility. You have really screwed yourself. Never do that.

Evan Nappen 13:52

Instead, have good counsel. We will deal with what the truth is, how you defended yourself properly under the law, and why you were threatened with serious bodily injury or death. And were in fear of those things. Establishing it and defending on the truth. Not trying to change the scene. Because then you won’t be able to effectively defend yourself. You will be cut down at the knees when the prosecutor is nailing you on messing with the evidence and the scene in front of the jury. Not good. Plus, you could even be charged with doing such things. So, no, don’t do that. It doesn’t matter. If they fall outside, they fall outside the house. If they had a weapon or not but if you thought they did, we are going to make that clear. You do not plant one.

Evan Nappen 14:52

These kind of myths can cost you dearly. So, don’t believe any of that stuff you see and hear. Stick to what I’m telling you here. I don’t want you making these mistakes. When we come back, I’m going to tell you about what happens when you have that police encounter and one of the biggest myths about how to deal with that encounter, should you need to.

Evan Nappen 15:22

For over 30 years, Attorney Evan Nappen has seen what rotten laws do to good people. That’s why he’s dedicated his life to fighting for the rights of America’s gun owners. A fearsome courtroom litigator. Fighting for rights, justice, and freedom. An unrelenting gun rights spokesman, tearing away at anti-gun propaganda to expose the truth. Author of six best-selling books on gun rights, including Nappen on Gun Law, a bright orange gun law Bible that sits atop the desk of virtually every lawyer, police chief, firearms dealer, and savvy gun owner. That’s what made Evan Nappen America’s Gun Lawyer. Gun laws are designed to make you a criminal. Don’t become the innocent victim of a vicious anti-gun legal system. This is the guy you want on your side. Keep his name and number in your wallet and hope you never have to use it. But if you live, work, or travel with a firearm, that deck is already stacked against you. You can find him on the web at EvanNappen.com or follow the link on the Gun Lawyer resource page. Evan Nappen – America’s Gun Lawyer.

Evan Nappen 16:13

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Evan Nappen 16:43

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Evan Nappen 18:12

I want to tell you. These times are very challenging, and I’m sure you are seeing the issues that we have to face. A lot of things are going against us, and there is a lot of movement against our rights, a lot of action. I’ll even use the word “conspiracy”. I am not talking black helicopters. But plainly, the media is not our friend, and they are trying to suppress us. So look, help keep a fellow gunner from becoming a law-abiding criminal. Tell them to listen to Gun Lawyer, visit my website at Gun.Lawyer. We have .com but I’ve got lawyer and it’s Gun.Lawyer. What I would really love for you to do is take a look at our Inner Circle. It’s right on the website. Sign up for the Inner Circle. That is my way of communicating with you, and you are going to get the inside for me. I will give tips and tricks and insight and fun. Sign up. It’s free. That way I still have the ability to communicate with you as it gets tougher and tougher to do so.

Evan Nappen 19:15

This microphone and this podcast are important. It’s a way for us to communicate with one another to protect our Second Amendment rights and fellow gun owners. It helps me communicate with you to touch base so you know what’s going on. Big tech doesn’t care about our rights. They don’t like us and want to shut us down. The Inner Circle is how we can stay in contact despite their efforts. These big issues, executive orders and this clarion call to take away our rights are real. It’s just amazing how these mass shootings happen right now when there is a big push for gun laws. You know, it’s like you could set your watch by it. It is so predictable. But there it is. So, we really have to deal with this. Please subscribe to the podcast. Join my Inner Circle, and get the word out. I am depending on you.

Evan Nappen 20:21

Now, we are talking here about what kinds of things you need to know to protect yourself. As a criminal defense attorney for over 30 years, defending folks that I   lovingly call law-abiding criminals, because they are law-abiding citizens who have been turned into criminals by these ridiculous gun laws, I have seen our rights play out and the reality of these rights. So, what I’m going to tell you is a myth that I see frequently. I want to tell you what you need to know so you don’t ever have this problem.

Evan Nappen 21:01

Some folks actually believe that if you have a problem and the police want to talk to you about it, that you can lie your way out of the situation. Let me just say, that’s a heavy duty risk, and frankly, it’s a myth. Generally speaking, you’re not going to succeed. In fact, they would love for you to try because lying to the police is a crime. So, you cannot lie to the police. If you do, you can be prosecuted simply for lying to the police, even if the underlying reason they were investigating you proves to be nothing. Zero, doesn’t matter. Your lying to the police is now a separate criminal act. You cannot lie to the police, but, and this is not a myth, the police are allowed to lie to you. You may say, hey, that’s not fair. Well, doesn’t matter, fair or not. It is how it works. The police have a license to lie. They can lie about things in their investigation to try to glean information out of you. I have seen this happen, and the surest way to not have a problem is by not lying. Because you cannot lie to the police does not mean that there’s nothing you can do. Oh, there is something very, very important that you can do. What you can do is keep your mouth shut. That’s right. You have a Fifth Amendment right against self-incrimination and you have a right to counsel. So, you have a right to say nothing. So many people seem to have a hard time doing that. But that’s what you need to do.

Evan Nappen 23:13

You need to say, “I’ve nothing to say and I want to talk to my lawyer first.” Always invoke that you want to talk to your lawyer. By asking to speak with your lawyer and not saying anything. Guess what? You are not going to fall for the myth of lying to the police. You are not going to incriminate yourself over some offense that you don’t even know you’re incriminating yourself over because you didn’t even know it was an offense. I get those cases, too. I cannot tell you how many times people say, “I didn’t know that was illegal. I thought I was grandfathered. I thought it was okay. I thought I was doing the right thing.” I understand all those things. I do. I get it. But talking is what becomes the biggest problem in your case. Police have a right to lie to you, but you do not have a right to lie to them.

Evan Nappen 24:13

You need to keep your mouth shut and not inadvertently say anything that can be twisted against you. Because you are innocent, and I have seen that it’s the innocent person, which makes it incredibly tragic, because they said things that are now being used against them, even though it really wasn’t them. I have had those cases. If they just kept their mouth shut. So many times through so many cases that I’ve had over 30 years of criminal defense. I look back, and I say where was the person’s mistake? They couldn’t shut their mouth and just ask for their attorney.

Evan Nappen 25:00

Many times in these criminal cases, your future hinges on one choice. Whether you’re choosing to put that ammunition in your glove box. Whether you have chosen to speak to the police. Whether you have chosen to think that a knife shorter than your palm is okay, and you’ve never even looked at the actual laws in your jurisdiction. When you choose to bring your gun and carry it into New Jersey, assuming that your license is going to be respected and honored. Those choices and that myth believed, if you will, ends up making people miserable, and put into a world of problems that they never thought they would end up in.

Evan Nappen 26:00

Remember, you cannot and should never lie to the police. You should not talk to the police either. Because you always have that right to say, hey, I want to talk to my lawyer first. That’s what smart people do. Because by talking to your lawyer, your lawyer cannot incriminate you. Your lawyer can speak for you and find out what’s going on. What you say to your lawyer is confidential, attorney-client protected speech between you and your attorney. This is the smart thing that folks do. You need to be smart and not fall into these traps.

Evan Nappen 26:40

The belief about law enforcement’s job and what their responsibility is, is distorted by way of television. So many times I’m watching a TV show, you know that my family was watching, and they’re investigating this suspect. He is there talking across the metal table, yackety Yak, and I am like shut up. Get a lawyer. Shut up. Oh, my God. It’s frustrating because if you’re ever read your rights, that’s not a myth. If you are read your rights, fireworks should be going off and the flag should be flying. The alarm bells should be ringing. If you are ever read your rights, and that you have the right to remain silent. Remain freakin silent. Okay, you just got hit with a train by these rights in your face, and you’re like, Hey, can I buy a ticket on that train? No. No, you were read your rights. That’s it.

Evan Nappen 27:56

If you are ever read your rights, there’s no more excuse. It just boggles me. The police read you your rights, and then the person says, “Oh, fine. Now I’ll talk to you, and I don’t need a lawyer.” Why do you think they read you your rights? Because you do need a lawyer, and you do need to shut up. It could not be more blatant. But you know what? Television conditions you. “Oh, you don’t have to worry about those little rights things. Everybody just talks. If you don’t talk, you must have something to hide. You must. No, that is not how it works. Not how it works at all. Not at all. If you are ever read your rights, that is absolutely the last stop sign before the cliff. Okay, that’s it. If you go through that stop sign, you are going down, down, down into that gully, and you are going to crash and burn. That is your final warning right there. The guardrail at the end of the road, and you just went right through it. No problem. Oh, la dee, da dee da. No. I cannot emphasize it enough. The bottom line myth is that you can ignore when your rights are read to you. Do that and you will pay the price. Absolutely.

Evan Nappen 29:32

Never waive your rights. Demand your attorney. Then and only then, if your attorney advises you after thorough consideration and that defense counsel that knows criminal law and your situation tells you that you can waive your rights and do this or that, fine. But short of that. No way. You have nothing to say, and I want my lawyer.

Evan Nappen 29:59

This is Evan Nappen reminding you that gun laws do not protect honest citizens from criminals. They protect criminals from honest citizens.

Speaker 3 30:08

Gun Lawyer is a CounterThink Media production. The music used in this broadcast was managed by Cosmo Music, New York, New York. Reach us by emailing [email protected] The information and opinions in this broadcast do not constitute legal advice. Consult a licensed attorney in your state.



About Evan Nappen

Known as “America’s Gun Lawyer,” Evan Nappen is above all a tireless defender of justice. Host of the praised “Gun Lawyer” Podcast, author of eight bestselling books and countless articles on firearms, knives, weapons history, and the law, a certified Firearms Instructor, and avid weapons collector and historian with a vast collection that spans almost five decades, it’s no wonder he’s become the trusted, go-to expert for local, industry, and national media outlets. Called on regularly by radio, television, and online news media for his commentary and expertise on breaking news, Evan has appeared on countless shows including Fox, CNN, Court TV, WOR-New York. As a creative arts consultant, he also lends his weapons law and historical expertise to an elite, discerning cadre of movie and television producers and directors, and novelists. He also provides expert testimony and consultations for defense attorneys across America.

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Get Out
Get Out
16 days ago

Always ask for a lawyer if being questioned.

Roland T. Gunner
Roland T. Gunner
16 days ago

Sounds like the problem is New Jersey.

Arizona Don
Arizona Don
1 month ago

 I live in Arizona one of the most gun friendly states, if not “the” most friendly gun state, in the US. Consequently it is difficult for me to understand why anyone would live in a state like NJ, NY, Illinois or even California and I’m certain there are others.   Arizona has always had open carry. Back in about 2009 Arizona had concealed carry with a permit too.  Still the Phoenix valley was rapidly becoming the kidnap, car jack capital of these United States. Something had to be done. For that reason the legislature passed and our governor signed into law constitutional carry in 2010.   Almost… Read more »

Procky1
Procky1
1 month ago

This is why, after residing in NJ for 30 years, I moved to TX 4 years ago. I’m an FFL with a perfectly clean record – but couldn’t get an LTC. In NJ you have to be a criminal or a politician (I know – it’s redundant) to carry. I was sick of living in a communist state. Last one out pls turn out the lights.

Arizona Don
Arizona Don
1 month ago
Reply to  Procky1

Texas needs to pass a constitutional concealed carry law.

Roland T. Gunner
Roland T. Gunner
16 days ago
Reply to  Arizona Don

We have been trying for a decade, but some “Rinos”, not so much.

Roland T. Gunner
Roland T. Gunner
16 days ago

And all the bitching and moaning by LEOs is nothing but illogical, disingenous, bankrupt arguments.

CourageousLion
CourageousLion
1 month ago

Wow…seems to me that any New Jersey cop that would arrest someone for the crap he is talking about needs to be shot. Because he is obviously a traitor to his oath of office. You can’t swear to uphold SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED and then turn around and cage someone for 3 1/2 years by INFRINGING. Seems to me that the psychopathic control freaks that run New Jersey need to be watering the tree of liberty. Come on New Jerseyens…show the rest of the country how it is done.

Last edited 1 month ago by CourageousLion
Arizona Don
Arizona Don
1 month ago
Reply to  CourageousLion

As long as these socialist democrats control NJ it will never change!

Cruiser
Cruiser
1 month ago

The biggest myth is you can trust a lawyer to tell the truth.

Ryben Flynn
Ryben Flynn
1 month ago

As to the glove compartment, South Carolina: SECTION 16-23-20. Unlawful carrying of handgun; EXCEPTIONS. It is unlawful for anyone to carry about the person any handgun, whether concealed or not, except as follows, unless otherwise specifically prohibited by law: (9) a person in a vehicle if the handgun is: (a) secured in a closed glove compartment, closed console, closed trunk, or in a closed container secured by an integral fastener and transported in the luggage compartment of the vehicle; however, this item is not violated if the glove compartment, console, or trunk is opened in the presence of a law… Read more »

Arizona Don
Arizona Don
1 month ago
Reply to  Ryben Flynn

Good but not enough!

Neanderthal75
Neanderthal75
1 month ago

My takeaway from the article?

Never set a foot in the Democratic People’s Republic of New Jersey, or New York, or Hawaii, or California, or Illinois!

For that matter pretty much anywhere on the East Coast.

The other take away that I have?

When cops stopped being peace officers and became law enforcement officers, I stopped trusting them.

Cheers from the oil patch in Central Wyoming

CourageousLion
CourageousLion
1 month ago
Reply to  Neanderthal75

Maybe the cops need to see the error of their ways and change. thickredline.org

Arizona Don
Arizona Don
1 month ago
Reply to  Neanderthal75

Well I certainly will not set foot in NJ and living in Wyoming I suspect you will not either.

Happy Everafter
Happy Everafter
1 month ago

My hat’s off to any LEO, the job is tough enough, particularly in ‘these trying times’ when for example we find big city DA’s telling a police force to stand down. I have many cop relatives. Their favorite line is: “Arrest them, let the courts figure it out.” Cops are the first line of law enforcement. But there is no way any cop can learn the 5 million laws. They don’t have enough training time to learn them all. So “traffic” cops get taught many traffic laws, and perhaps some peripheral rules, but they are human. Some may eventually believe… Read more »

hippybiker
hippybiker
1 month ago

Boot licker, you are!

Superman
Superman
1 month ago
Reply to  hippybiker

Head up arse, you are!

CourageousLion
CourageousLion
1 month ago

WOW! What a bunch of drivel. You must have lots of dirt on your tounge from licking the boots of those “law enforcement” slime in your family.

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Finnky
Finnky
1 month ago
Reply to  CourageousLion

@CL – Well his last paragraph is probably true. In blue states most cops do seem to believe that they are “the only ones”. Even here in Texas there are some with that attitude, primarily in blue havens such as Austin and Houston – but they do exist even here. Fortunately most cops here appreciate LTC holders enough that I have heard from many friends how they were let off from a traffic stop with admonition that they should have been carrying rather than a traffic ticket. As for boot licking – I took the post as an explanation for… Read more »

CourageousLion
CourageousLion
1 month ago
Reply to  Finnky

I was a cop for about 10 months. Never made it past probation because I turned in a Sargent for sexual miss conduct and a fellow officer who took half of a kids marijuana for himself and arrested the kid for the other half. I’m convinced that to BE a cop you have to be able to “enforce” the “law” or else you will be kicked off from the force somehow. The higher ups won’t put up with your “discretion”. Not if they catch you. The ONLY viable approach I see is thickredline.org They will have to “revert” back to… Read more »

Superman
Superman
1 month ago
Reply to  CourageousLion

Did another shopping mall hire you?

Roland T. Gunner
Roland T. Gunner
16 days ago
Reply to  CourageousLion

You were scrubbed nefore completing probation, for turning in a bsd cop? Oh, really? Thats what the civil service paperwork says?

Superman
Superman
1 month ago
Reply to  CourageousLion

‘Tounge’? And by the way. ‘Doctor’ Robert Higgs is the typical liberal punk who is the FIRST ONE to phone 911 whenever he hears a bump in the night and expects an IMMEDIATE response by the police.

Markeb2800
Markeb2800
1 month ago

When it comes to dealing with police, the truth will not set you free. If they say they will be easier on you if you talk, they are lying. Only speak to your attorney.

Superman
Superman
1 month ago

Then why don’t YOU become a police officer and show us all how it SHOULD be done? Put up or shut up.

hippybiker
hippybiker
1 month ago
Reply to  Superman

Another useless “Boot Licker”!

CourageousLion
CourageousLion
1 month ago
Reply to  Superman

Maybe because he wasn’t born with the psychopathic control freak gene?

APG member
APG member
1 month ago
Reply to  Superman

Police have no duty to protect citizens: please google Lozito vs. NYC, DeShaney vs. Wennebago Co, Castle Rock vs Gonzales & Warren vs DC. The judiciary has ruled they are supposed to protect “society at large” and those individuals in custody. Except when ANTIFA comes to town, or you are Jeffery Epstein….

Superman
Superman
1 month ago
Reply to  Superman

Which shopping mall were you employed as a ‘cop’?

Superman
Superman
1 month ago

A LAWYER claiming police officers lie? HAHAHAHAHAAAAAA!!!!

Markeb2800
Markeb2800
1 month ago
Reply to  Superman

They are allowed to lie to us. Lying to them is a crime….

Terry
Terry
1 month ago
Reply to  Markeb2800

I see Clark’s point, but, I gave him a thumbs down anyway – just because I don’t like him.

CourageousLion
CourageousLion
1 month ago
Reply to  Terry

I gave you a thumbs down just because you’re an idiot.

Finnky
Finnky
1 month ago
Reply to  Superman

For professional lairs (proper spelling of lawyer) and cops, truth is used to gain credibility for their lies. Point was that many have been conditioned from a young age to respect law enforcement, follow instructions, and believe everything they say. When dealing with a member of the general public, cops are legally allowed to lie and often blatantly do so in order to elicit desired responses. Lawyers have been trained to mislead through omission or redirection. Outright lies to their client or in court can get them fined, disbarred or even jailed. Thus they are generally quite truthful – even… Read more »

Last edited 1 month ago by Finnky
PMinFl
PMinFl
1 month ago
Reply to  Finnky

Good point, but remember that most politicians are lawyers.

Superman
Superman
1 month ago
Reply to  Finnky

Blah, blah, blah. Peddle your B.S. someplace else.

Finnky
Finnky
1 month ago

I still believe the “fat cop’s palm” myth. If you meet a corrupt (fat) cop, whatever you are doing is “legal” if you put enough cash in his fat palm.

I suspect that bribery is the root of that myth.

I’m too cheap to properly bribe anyone, and if I tried I’d have have met an honest cop.

Last edited 1 month ago by Finnky
Superman
Superman
1 month ago
Reply to  Finnky

Then why don’t YOU become a police officer and show us all how it SHOULD be done? Put up or shut up.

hippybiker
hippybiker
1 month ago
Reply to  Superman

You’re still a “Boot Licker!”

Superman
Superman
1 month ago
Reply to  hippybiker

As if a ‘hippybiker’ has ANY credibility…..

CourageousLion
CourageousLion
1 month ago
Reply to  Superman

Again…Maybe because he wasn’t born with the psychopathic control freak gene?

Superman
Superman
1 month ago
Reply to  CourageousLion

How old are you, twelve? Or is that your IQ score?

Finnky
Finnky
1 month ago
Reply to  Superman

@Superman – I was quite late to the firearms lifestyle. By the time I took my first real shooting class I was already beyond the maximum age for admission to police academy in Texas. I’m unhappy about this as I would love to volunteer with our sheriff’s office for simple reward of national LTC under LEOSA. I know that some would consider that being an “bad cop” and other’s that desire to have legal nationwide carry makes me a bootlicker. To some extent both charges would be correct as I have no desire to seek out violence or conflict with… Read more »

PMinFl
PMinFl
1 month ago
Reply to  Finnky

Is there anything you can say or do to prevent me from giving you this ticket??I was a truck driver for more than forty years, I heard that question more than once.

22Chuck
22Chuck
1 month ago
Reply to  Finnky

Best idea IMHO is stay out of Jersy forever along w/ ILLinois..

Been many yrs snc I was to NJ-never going back alomng w/ Maryland.

ILLinois a ‘successful passage’ ios when my shoes never touch ILLinois.
When travelling near fill up the gas tank, emty my tank, get a burger and start across ILLinois-at speed limit, till across. Dont spend a dime in ILLinois.

APG member
APG member
1 month ago

The myth is that your government (law enforcement agents in particular) respects your civil right to protect yourself and or family with a tool. Every single one of the “crimes” described had NO VICTIM; no matter, it is off to the federal rape cage to join a racist gang for you. Mere possession of ammunition or magazines is not a crime, and should not even be considered reasonable suspicion much less probable cause. That it is, is proof that we do not live in a free society! No reciprocity for concealed carry license across state lines? The constitution says nothing… Read more »

CourageousLion
CourageousLion
1 month ago
Reply to  APG member

The test of a right is this…IF there were no government, could I do this act without damaging someone in their life, liberty or property? If the answer is YES, it is a right. Driving is not a “privilege”. It is a right. The liars and pshchopaths that run the states will tell you otherwise because the fees pay their glorified welfare recipient salaries.

APG member
APG member
1 month ago
Reply to  CourageousLion

Of course driving is your right Son. The point is, driving is not specificaly described in the constitution or bill of rights, as such it has absolutely been reduced to a privilege.

RoyD
RoyD
1 month ago

Oh, ok. LOL!

nowr2run
nowr2run
1 month ago
Reply to  RoyD

Myth 1 – You have a right to a fair trial, LIE. Myth 2 – Police are your friends, LIE Myth 3 – If you just tell the truth you’ll be fine, LIE. Myth 4 – Your lawyer will always fight for you, LIE. Myth 5 – WILL NOT BE IN FRINGED, LIE. Myth 6 – You have a right to a lawyer, LIE. After they throw ur ass in jail. Myth 7 – Police go by the law, LIE. Myth 8 – Come outside we just want to talk to you, LIE. Myth 9 – Police are always there… Read more »

hippybiker
hippybiker
1 month ago
Reply to  nowr2run

You are absolutely correct! Especially about Myth #10! Please refer to Warren vs DC Metro Police second circuit court 1981. The decision by the court held that the Police are under no obligation to protect anyone. Please also take notice of the was the massive riots by BLM and ANTIFA have been handled. I rest my case.

JoeUSooner
JoeUSooner
1 month ago
Reply to  hippybiker

The Supreme Court, over a 180-year span, has ruled eight (8) times that police protect “society in general” but NOT any specific individual within the society.

CourageousLion
CourageousLion
1 month ago
Reply to  nowr2run

#11 is only true if you are not willing to SHOOT anyone, badge wearing or not for INFRINGING on your rights. ANYONE who would cage you for a victimless act is your ENEMY. PERIOD.

Last edited 1 month ago by CourageousLion
Finnky
Finnky
1 month ago
Reply to  CourageousLion

Same for #12. To misquote pirates of the Caribbean, dead cops shoot no dogs.