Every Mass Shooting Shares One Thing In Common & It’s NOT Weapons

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Psychotropic Drugs
Nearly Every Mass Shooting In The Last 20 Years Shares One Thing In Common, & It's NOT Weapons
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Manasquan, NJ –-(Ammoland.com)- Nearly every mass shooting incident in the last twenty years, and multiple other instances of suicide and isolated shootings all share one thing in common, and it's not the weapons used.

The overwhelming evidence points to the signal largest common factor in all of these incidents is the fact that all of the perpetrators were either actively taking powerful psychotropic drugs or had been at some point in the immediate past before they committed their crimes.

Multiple credible scientific studies going back more than a decade, as well as internal documents from certain pharmaceutical companies that suppressed the information, show that SSRI drugs ( Selective Serotonin Re-Uptake Inhibitors ) have well known, but unreported side effects, including but not limited to suicide and other violent behavior. One need only Google relevant keywords or phrases to see for themselves. www.ssristories.com is one popular site that has documented over 4500 “ Mainstream Media “ reported cases from around the World of aberrant or violent behavior by those taking these powerful drugs.

The following is a list of mass shooting perpetrators and the drugs they were taking or had been taking shortly before their horrific actions.

The list was compiled and published to Facebook by John Noveske, founder and owner of Noveske Rifleworks just days before he was mysteriously killed in a single-car accident. Is there a link between Noveske's death and his “outing” of information numerous disparate parties would prefer to suppress, for a variety of reasons?

I leave that to the individual readers to decide. But there is most certainly a documented history of people who “knew to much” or were considered a “threat” dying under extraordinarily suspicious circumstances.

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From Katherine Smith, a Tennessee DMV worker who was somehow involved in helping several 9/11 hijackers in obtaining Tennessee Drivers Licenses, and was later found burned to death in her car. To Pulitzer Prize-winning journalist Gary Webb, who exposed a CIA Operation in the 80's that resulted in the flooding of LA Streets with crack cocaine and was later found dead from two gunshot wounds to the head, but was officially ruled as a “suicide“, to Frank Olson, a senior research microbiologist who was working on the CIA's mind-control research program MKULTRA.

After Olson expressed his desire to leave the program, he was with a CIA agent in a New York hotel room and is alleged to have committed “suicide” by throwing himself off the tenth-floor balcony.

In 1994, Olson's sons were successful in their efforts to have their fathers body exhumed and re-examined in a second autopsy by James Starrs, Professor of Law and Forensic science at the National Law Center at George Washington University. Starr's team concluded that the blunt force trauma to the head and injury to the chest had not occurred during the fall but most likely in the room before the fall.

The evidence was called “rankly and starkly suggestive of homicide.” Based on his findings, in 1996, the Manhattan District Attorney opened a homicide investigation into Olson's death but was unable to find enough evidence to bring charges.

As I said, I leave it to the individual readers to make up their own minds if Noveske suffered a similar fate.

On to the list of mass shooters and the stark link to psychotropic drugs.

  • Eric Harris age 17 (first on Zoloft then Luvox) and Dylan Klebold aged 18 (Columbine school shooting in Littleton, Colorado), killed 12 students and one teacher and wounded 23 others, before killing themselves. Klebold's medical records have never been made available to the public.
  • Jeff Weise, age 16, had been prescribed 60 mg/day of Prozac (three times the average starting dose for adults!) when he shot his grandfather, his grandfather's girlfriend and many fellow students at Red Lake, Minnesota. He then shot himself. Ten dead, 12 wounded.
  • Cory Baadsgaard, age 16, Wahluke (Washington state) High School, was on Paxil (which caused him to have hallucinations) when he took a rifle to his high school and held 23 classmates hostage. He has no memory of the event.
  • Chris Fetters, age 13, killed his favorite aunt while taking Prozac.
  • Christopher Pittman, age 12, murdered both his grandparents while taking Zoloft.
  • Mathew Miller, age 13, hung himself in his bedroom closet after taking Zoloft for six days.
  • Kip Kinkel, age 15, (on Prozac and Ritalin) shot his parents while they slept then went to school and opened fire, killing two classmates and injuring 22 shortly after beginning Prozac treatment.
  • Luke Woodham, age 16 (Prozac) killed his mother and then killed two students, wounding six others.
  • A boy in Pocatello, ID (Zoloft) in 1998 had a Zoloft-induced seizure that caused an armed standoff at his school.
  • Michael Carneal (Ritalin), age 14, opened fire on students at a high school prayer meeting in West Paducah, Kentucky. Three teenagers were killed, five others were wounded.
  • A young man in Huntsville, Alabama (Ritalin) went psychotic chopping up his parents with an ax and also killing one sibling and almost murdering another.
  • Andrew Golden, age 11, (Ritalin) and Mitchell Johnson, aged 14, (Ritalin) shot 15 people, killing four students, one teacher, and wounding ten others.
  • TJ Solomon, age 15, (Ritalin) high school student in Conyers, Georgia opened fire on and wounded six of his classmates.
  • Rod Mathews, age 14, (Ritalin) beat a classmate to death with a bat.
  • James Wilson, age 19, (various psychiatric drugs) from Breenwood, South Carolina, took a .22 caliber revolver into an elementary school killing two young girls and wounding seven other children and two teachers.
  • Elizabeth Bush, age 13, (Paxil) was responsible for a school shooting in Pennsylvania
  • Jason Hoffman (Effexor and Celexa) – school shooting in El Cajon, California
  • Jarred Viktor, age 15, (Paxil), after five days on Paxil he stabbed his grandmother 61 times.
  • Chris Shanahan, age 15 (Paxil) in Rigby, ID who out of the blue killed a woman.
  • Jeff Franklin (Prozac and Ritalin), Huntsville, AL, killed his parents as they came home from work using a sledgehammer, hatchet, butcher knife, and mechanic's file, then attacked his younger brothers and sister.
  • Neal Furrow (Prozac) in LA Jewish school shooting reported having been court-ordered to be on Prozac along with several other medications.
  • Kevin Rider, age 14, was withdrawing from Prozac when he died from a gunshot wound to his head. Initially, it was ruled a suicide, but two years later, the investigation into his death was opened as a possible homicide. The prime suspect, also age 14, had been taking Zoloft and other SSRI antidepressants.
  • Alex Kim, age 13, hung himself shortly after his Lexapro prescription had been doubled.
  • Diane Routhier was prescribed Welbutrin for gallstone problems. Six days later, after suffering many adverse effects of the drug, she shot herself.
  • Billy Willkomm, an accomplished wrestler and a University of Florida student, was prescribed Prozac at the age of 17. His family found him dead of suicide – hanging from a tall ladder at the family's Gulf Shore Boulevard home in July 2002.
  • Kara Jaye Anne Fuller-Otter, age 12, was on Paxil when she hung herself from a hook in her closet. Kara's parents said “…. the damn doctor wouldn't take her off it and I asked him to when we went in on the second visit. I told him I thought she was having some sort of reaction to Paxil…”)
  • Gareth Christian, Vancouver, age 18, was on Paxil when he committed suicide in 2002,
  • (Gareth's father could not accept his son's death and killed himself.)
  • Julie Woodward, age 17, was on Zoloft when she hung herself in her family's detached garage.
  • Matthew Miller was 13 when he saw a psychiatrist because he was having difficulty at school. The psychiatrist gave him samples of Zoloft. Seven days later his mother found him dead, hanging by a belt from a laundry hook in his closet.
  • Kurt Danysh, age 18, and on Prozac, killed his father with a shotgun. He is now behind prison bars, and writes letters, trying to warn the world that SSRI drugs can kill.
  • Woody ____, age 37, committed suicide while in his 5th week of taking Zoloft. Shortly before his death, his physician suggested doubling the dose of the drug. He had seen his physician only for insomnia. He had never been depressed, nor did he have any history of any mental illness symptoms.
  • A boy from Houston, age 10, shot and killed his father after his Prozac dosage was increased.
  • Hammad Memon, age 15, shot and killed a fellow middle school student. He had been diagnosed with ADHD and depression and was taking Zoloft and “other drugs for the conditions.”
  • Matti Saari, a 22-year-old culinary student, shot and killed nine students and a teacher, and wounded another student, before killing himself. Saari was taking an SSRI and a benzodiazapine.
  • Steven Kazmierczak, age 27, shot and killed five people and wounded 21 others before killing himself in a Northern Illinois University auditorium. According to his girlfriend, he had recently been taking Prozac, Xanax, and Ambien. Toxicology results showed that he still had trace amounts of Xanax in his system.
  • Finnish gunman Pekka-Eric Auvinen, age 18, had been taking antidepressants before he killed eight people and wounded a dozen more at Jokela High School – then he committed suicide.
  • Asa Coon from Cleveland, age 14, shot and wounded four before taking his own life. Court records show Coon was on Trazodone.
  • Jon Romano, age 16, on medication for depression, fired a shotgun at a teacher in his New York high school.

Missing from list… 3 of 4 known to have taken these same meds…

  • What drugs was Jared Lee Loughner on, age 21…… killed six people and injuring 14 others in Tuscon, Az
  • What drugs was James Eagan Holmes on, age 24….. killed 12 people and injuring 59 others in Aurora Colorado
  • What drugs was Jacob Tyler Roberts on, age 22, killed two injured 1, Clackamas Or
  • What drugs was Adam Peter Lanza on, age 20, Killed 26 and wounded 2 in Newtown Ct

Those focusing on further firearms bans or magazine restrictions are focusing on the wrong issue and asking the wrong questions, either as a deliberate attempt to hide these links or out of complete and utter ignorance.

Don't let them! Force our elected “representatives” and the biased media to cast a harsh spotlight on the issue of mental illness drugs. Don't stop hounding them until they do. As the antis say, “even if it saves just one life,” it is worth doing.

More articles, commentary, and information by D. Roberts available at That Every Man Be Armed.com


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Meme
Meme
11 months ago

I think everyone has valid opinions. However, I think it’s easier to place blame elsewhere than to accept fault. There is an increase in mass shootings because parents don’t want to parent. So the minute they dont want to deal with their child, pharmaceutical companies and doctors have made it easier to medicate. Taking gun rights away wont solve anything. And I’m sorry but saying Guns kill people is like saying #2 pencils fail test. Its absolutely ridiculous. Saying it’s the medications isnt right either. I was told to take SSRI’s and when they wrote the perscription they made it… Read more »

Capt. Blaze
Capt. Blaze
7 months ago
Reply to  Meme

DR. BROWN: “…in our discussion. But think about this. If, if you are in a rough-and-tumble situation, somebody hits you too hard, you know what that feels like. So you’re not going to hit, in general, hit somebody else too hard, because you know what it feels like. And that’s the roots, for example, of an empathic response. And the thing that — none of the murderers I studied engaged in normal rough-and-tumble play. Absolutely none.” we learn empathy, trust, irony, and problem solving through play — something the dictionary defines as “pleasurable and apparently purposeless activity.” Dr. Stuart Brown… Read more »

DroopyDrew
DroopyDrew
11 months ago

I can remember when I was in high school those of us who was sportsman had our guns in our gun racks in the back window of our trucks, Buck knives on our hips and not one, I repeat not one school shootings back in those days. It’s all in how you are brought up and your teaching at home. God, Family, Country and Community.

Izzy
Izzy
11 months ago

OMG! This is such bullshit. It’s articles like this and the crap on the media that has everyone thinking that if you have a mental illness and are taking medication you’re liable to go off at any minute and start killing people. It’s evil people that do this shit….EVIL EVIL EVIL Evil people….and if you pay attention to the news … and not just mass shootings … assholes that have been handed everything and get trophies regardless if they win or lose… age ranges 18 to 29 Those are the ones! Not mentally ill people Not people on medication…regardless of… Read more »

Will Flatt
11 months ago
Reply to  Izzy

Actually, it is people who GO OFF THEIR MEDS that end up going berserk and doing stuff. It’s been like this for 20 years ever since SSRI’s started getting prescribed routinely. One cannot take this stuff daily for a long time starting in adolescence and then quit cold turkey and think you’ll be fine. But you’re right… it’s not about guns, it’s not about meds or mental health as a whole. It’s about evil people doing evil deeds, knowing full well what they do is WRONG. And the one good thing Trump said in the aftermath is that YES, WE… Read more »

Youknowwho
Youknowwho
11 months ago
Reply to  Will Flatt

You’re right, it is evil(satanic imo) people doing this shit. Problem is that when people have problems and end up at a shrink’s office, the docs are way too quick at giving SSRI drugs with side effects of more depression and suicidal thoughts. Shrink Dr Peter Breggin doesn’t agree and addresses this in his book Medication Madness…and comments on.shootings from Columbine up to 2009. Also wrote Talking back to Prozac. He’s not popular with the drug pushing docs. https://breggin.com/medication-madness/

Wild Bill
Wild Bill
11 months ago
Reply to  Izzy

@Izzy, I thoroughly understand your being “… so sick of stigma.” I, as a gun owner, am also sick of stigma. I am sick of being punished for what others do. I am sick of having to argue, politic, and donate because of what others do. I am sick of having to prove that I am not a bad person because I own guns. I am sick of certain groups continuing the lie that it is just a matter of time before I go off, just because I own guns. I am sick of having my Civil Rights infringed, abridged,… Read more »

DroopyDrew
DroopyDrew
11 months ago
Reply to  Wild Bill

Preach it BROTHER!!!! Preach it!!!!!!

Wild Bill
Wild Bill
11 months ago
Reply to  DroopyDrew

@Droopy, Let us pray.

TheBadGuy
TheBadGuy
11 months ago
Reply to  Izzy

It should go without saying, but there’s one incredibly significant detail that’s being missed here and elsewhere. That is, of course, the original diagnosis of a MENTAL HEALTH disorder in the first place which led to a regiment of psychotropic drugs. Ergo, the cause is not the drugs themselves, though they may exacerbate mental health issues. You cannot, in good faith, separate the diagnosis and treatment. This is not a “chicken and the egg” scenario. The focus should not be on guns or on drugs, but on the actual root causes of mental health disorders and the United States’ complete… Read more »

Deanna and Tom
Deanna and Tom
11 months ago
Reply to  Izzy

I hope we can all agree, that people who are drunk do different things than when sober. While not everyone is effected in the same way, some are very happy while others become mean. But just like alcohol has an effect, so do medications. Again, not all medications are the same nor are the people reacting to those are the same. Those who do have a mental illness should not be looked as bad people instead of people who need help. Too often this results in more drugs or different drugs. And while patients sometimes complain about side effects there… Read more »

Ron
Ron
11 months ago
Reply to  Izzy

It’s not guns and it’s not drugs. It’s ALIENATION. It’s EMASCULATION–the way they’ve cut the balls off of young men. It’s also LACK OF HOPE. Young men are deeply alienated. Look at the number of women in college; in positions in college. Look how men are attacked with charges of “toxic masculinity,” etc. You men, in the media [TV, movies, etc.] are depicted as idiot; bafoons; WEAK. I don’t know who’s behind it, but it’s been happening now for many years. There’s a lack of hope, young men seeing that a college degree is becoming meaningless, IF one can afford… Read more »

Capt. Blaze
Capt. Blaze
7 months ago
Reply to  Ron

DR. BROWN: “…in our discussion. But think about this. If, if you are in a rough-and-tumble situation, somebody hits you too hard, you know what that feels like. So you’re not going to hit, in general, hit somebody else too hard, because you know what it feels like. And that’s the roots, for example, of an empathic response. And the thing that — none of the murderers I studied engaged in normal rough-and-tumble play. Absolutely none.” we learn empathy, trust, irony, and problem solving through play — something the dictionary defines as “pleasurable and apparently purposeless activity.” Dr. Stuart Brown… Read more »

22sapphire22
22sapphire22
11 months ago
Reply to  Izzy

https://youtu.be/l0V_HhYt5So Hey Guys! First off I want to say my heart and condolences goes out to the victims and their families of Dayton, Ohio and El Paso, Texas. These are awful tragedies that should never happen, and people are lost that didn’t deserve to be. I have seen some alarming things on my social media and on the news regarding mental health and mass shootings. I even saw President Trump blaming mental illnesses behind the mass shootings, so I wanted to make a video on that. I know there is a huge stigma surrounding mental health or being on psychotropic… Read more »

Colorful Anomaly
Colorful Anomaly
11 months ago
Reply to  Izzy

Izzy, I am not replying to you, but I can’t find the place to post a new comment. First of all, let’s examine the logic of the title of the article, “Every Mass Shooting Shares One Thing In Common & It’s NOT Weapons.” By very definition ALL shootings share weapons as pretty much the only thing in common. In order for there to be a shooting, there has to be a gun or other implement capable of firing shots. That is the single common denominator. Before people jump on me and assume I’m saying that guns “cause” shootings, slow your… Read more »

None
None
11 months ago

Wow, this is a terrible article and very mis-leading:
– title claims that “all mass shooters” have one thing in common
– article itself at least says, “most”, nbut then,
– the data are not related only to “mass shootings”; the so-called list
– includes shootings with just a single victim
– includes murder by other weapons

Actually, I did notice one thing they all have in commons: they’re guys. Now, I’m a guy, so I don’t want to stereotype or shame guys, but… what’s going on?

Rosie
Rosie
11 months ago
Reply to  None

well NONE, you did not read the info very well, there are several females listed in the stats. agreed that there is really no way to be certain, but there is a valid point to this article especially when you couple these type drugs to the need of youngsters to constantly validate themselves with social media, selfies, telling everyone that will listen to them just how wonderful they are, very shallow. if this was researched I do think there is a correlation to all of this. look at the timelines for the increase in attacks and senseless killings compared to… Read more »

Kathy D
Kathy D
11 months ago

How can anyone possibly state with 100% certainty that every single person responsible for a mass shooting was on psychotropic drugs? Unless you have access to each and every perpetrator’s medical records you are making a erroneous and dangerous assertion because it takes people down a wrong path if the goal is prevention of further tragedies. Here’s one infamous mass murderer who absolutely positively was not on psychotropics: Columbine killer Dylan Klebold – here’s his autopsy report to show he had nothing in his system: https://www.columbine-guide.com/columbine-autopsies-harris-klebold By the way Klebold was 17 not 18 as you have claimed here. Eric… Read more »

Will
Will
11 months ago
Reply to  Kathy D

@Kathy,no one can say that with 100% certainty,because to do so would be a 100% lie.

Rosie
Rosie
11 months ago
Reply to  Kathy D

you are correct but you honestly don’t think this has something to do with it?, we all should be looking for answers and solutions. think these thru. I have set in many active shooter conferences and round tables, I tell you that authorities knew of the columbine idiots for 18 months before they acted, their hands were tied, but they all knew.
I could share my opinion here but why?. it is apparent that you already have your mind made up, my guess………… very young and very impressionable by the media antics.

alejandroak47
alejandroak47
11 months ago

I wonder who wrote this lousy article about 1 common thing is drugs? the NRA??
other common things are:
BULLETS
FIRE ARMS
WHITE FOLKS
AMERICAN NATIONALITY
and in the UNITED STATES OF AMERICA
the same drugs are sold to at least 30 million Americans none Americans,
the same drugs are sold worldwide but the mass shootings is only in the USA
and, if there is record kept for the last 20 years, WHY ARE THESE DRUG USERS BEING ALLOWED TOP BUY WEAPONS???
TOTAL BS ARTICLE

YourWorstEnemy
YourWorstEnemy
11 months ago
Reply to  alejandroak47

I think what you really meant to say is: I wonder who wrote this accurate article about 1 common thing is drugs? the NRA?? other common things are: VIDEO GAMES LIBERAL EDUCATORS WHITE FOLK VICTIMS FAILUE TO TEACH AMERICAN GREATNESS and in the UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, one of the safest places in the world. the same guns are sold to at least 30 million Americans and not one harmed anyone. the same drugs are sold worldwide with even more mass shootings are all over the world and, if there is record kept for the last 20 years, WHY ARE… Read more »

Rosie
Rosie
11 months ago
Reply to  alejandroak47

your facts are skewed and to be frank, wrong, there are more shooting around the world than the media reports, and “your worst enemy” said it correctly.

RoyD
RoyD
11 months ago
Reply to  alejandroak47

Another person who obviously did not learn anything in school. Pity really.

JD
JD
11 months ago

‘First’ it was Gilroy, Cal. Garlic Festival 7/28/19 ( 4 dead, 12 injured ) then, El Paso mass shooting 8/3/19 ( 20 dead 2 dozen injured ) & now Dayton Ohio on 8/4/19 ( 9 dead, 26 injured ) …. FACTS,… RAW Facts : Something like 90% or more of mass shooters in the last couple of decades are one of two things 1) they are found to have been some sort of social outcasts, and on mind altering psychotropic drugs 2) they are very often radicals from ‘the Democratic side of the aisle’ and are never “an NRA member”… Read more »

canadian pharmacy
canadian pharmacy
1 year ago

General Dope Far this by-product

Frank from UIowa
Frank from UIowa
2 years ago

Some of you think that there’s no link between anti-depressants and school shootings; to those people, I ask, where were all the school shootings before anti-depressants were being prescribed wholesale to school children?

HIPPA MATTERS
HIPPA MATTERS
2 years ago

So no links to the statements of the doctors saying they prescribed these drugs to said shooters? Oh right, wouldnt happen since HIPPA would cause them their licenses… Or how about links to their PARENTS saying they were taking these. Funny how I see none of this, otherwise, its a FUCKING BLOG WITH NO EVIDENCE TO BACK UP ITS CLAIMS! LOL

Margaret
Margaret
1 year ago
Reply to  HIPPA MATTERS

How bout maybe big pharma. This is true cuz i have lived it. So fuck off who knows NADA. Margaret

LibertyHound
LibertyHound
11 months ago
Reply to  HIPPA MATTERS

HIPAA only “matters” and applies to some patients, not to all. Patient privacy, it seems, only matters when the GOVERNMENT desires it. Having to explain that to you ensures me you have, but only one agenda and that is to undermine our right to protect ourselves. It also would appear you have a lust for allowing the practice to continue, which is as disturbing as what us happening.

Capt. Blaze
Capt. Blaze
7 months ago

In those days schools had shooting ranges. They were not Gun-free zones.

Toaiva Te'evale
Toaiva Te'evale
2 years ago

Too many figures. Could you make a graph of some sort?

Bob Strauss
Bob Strauss
2 years ago

Multitudes of people in other nations are on many different anti-psychotic medications as well. The incidence of guns involved in soooo many deaths in our society probably disproves the idea that drugs are the problem.

YourWorstEnemy
YourWorstEnemy
11 months ago
Reply to  Bob Strauss

New Zealand Shooter: Drugs
Norway Shooter: Drugs
France Shooter: Muslim and on Drugs

It is not just an America thing. USA is still the safest place in the world.

Rosie
Rosie
11 months ago
Reply to  Bob Strauss

most countries around the world have removed most of the guns, however, they still have incidents with shootings, that is a fact. HOW? they removed the evil gun!…………… hmmmmm sometimes you just cant stop the lunatic, they will use knives, trucks, explosives, fire, acid, guns and you know it, it just doesn’t fit you talking points.

Hmmmm
Hmmmm
2 years ago

Classic correlation vs causation confusion.

Is it that – mentally unstable people tend to take SSRI’s, and the same mentally unstable people tend to go bananas and shoot people?

THis article waste 3 pages to show that mass shooters and SSRI takers can be correlated. To show the causation, you have to show that same normal perspms suddenly becoming mass shooters having taken SSRI. Politics aside, this is a basic logical fallacy.

Rosie
Rosie
11 months ago
Reply to  Hmmmm

simple question………..have you seen the TV ads for some drugs in this class?………….. in the fast talk toward the end of the ad, they tell you the side effects…………….. ever listen to them?
better yet, have you or anyone you know used any of the drugs listed? they have been prescribed in my family. not good results with family members.

research. with an open and non-biased mind

Merovie
Merovie
2 years ago

So . . . every mass shooting actually has two things in common?

Kris Naillon
Kris Naillon
2 years ago

It looks like enough of a connection to me to at least look into. If violence is a potential side effect why is anyone on them. I am sure they have helped many people but when people are dying we need to look at everything. Not just harsher gun laws.

The David
The David
2 years ago

And many, if not most, also show a clear and apparent history of warning signs and actions, to which parents and/or the community paid no attention!

Bill C
Bill C
2 years ago

It lists forty-five hundred cases. What about the millions of people these drugs have helped? One could argue that without the drugs, many more would commit such acts of violence or self-harm.

Southerner
Southerner
2 years ago
Reply to  Bill C

The name of the article is “Every Mass Shooting Shares One Thing In Common & It’s NOT Weapons” not the benefits of psychotropic drugs. The author did not say that psychotropic drugs caused the mass shooting. He is merely pointing our what the mas shooters have in common and raising the question of a possible link. There is something else that many of the shooters have in common as well. A lot of shooters come from single mother homes. Or in the case of Stephen Paddock, the Las Vegas shooter, his absentee father was either in jail or on the… Read more »

Patricia Warnock
Patricia Warnock
2 years ago
Reply to  Southerner

I think the predisposition, abusive family situation, breakdown of the family, absentee fathers who should be the spiritual family leader, He teaches the children godly principles such as respect, responsibility, kindness, compassion, and honesty. Alcohol and other illegal drugs or a combination of some of these are generators. Many times the child’s behavior is due to some of the above, which leaves a parent to decide that prescribed “drugs” will solve the problem. Where God is not present, evil moves in to fill the vacancy. Without hope, nothing else matters and there is no respect for self or others.

Cat
Cat
2 years ago
Reply to  Bill C

Agree. And high percentage of these people had issues that, even without the drugs, could have prompted their behavior.

John Pack
John Pack
1 year ago
Reply to  Bill C

You miss the “marginal impact” concept. Adding more guns to our society doesn’t make all gun owners go on a rampage — but it might affect some crazies on the margins. Ditto for psychotropic drugs. Taking them doesn’t affect the average person, but it might affect those on the margin.

The correlation is strong enough that I suggest any parent who wishes to use or place their child on these medication be required to surrender all firearms permanently.

Rosie
Rosie
11 months ago
Reply to  John Pack

WHAT!? permanently?………… see, that why folks disagree with gun control, you believe it will correct this problem over night, and it won’t. we have a social issue in this country, a disconnect, there are many reasons and actions to feed this social cancer for a lack of better term. it will not be legislated away, we have over 1800 laws pertaining to guns across our country, Chicago, strict gun laws, and they kill each other daily, do you even know how many were killed last year in Chicago?……this past weekend alone……….headline………”59 shot, 7 fatally in Chicago weekend shootings”. As of… Read more »

Michelle
Michelle
2 years ago

This focuses on school related shooters. There are a plethora of other shooting incidents relating to gun safety though. If EVERYONE that shoots is on drugs, then maybe we have an even bigger problem. Since we know that everyone shooting is not on drugs, maybe this deflection has it’s merits, but the problem still remains. You don’t leave a fire burning because the fire truck hasn’t arrived yet, you try and douse the flames immediately, before you have to call one. The shooting is still occurring and as long as the school’s are still without protection it will never end.… Read more »

Ollie
Ollie
2 years ago

Bullshit !!! It’s guns….dance your little denial dance, but it is still guns!
Every parent whose child kills others with a gun, should be persecuted to the full extent of the law. As a parent, the responsibility is yours !!!!
Just wait until it’s your child’s body exploded by a hi-powered gun…
We aren’t talking a hunting rifle here…we’re talking mass destruction..
May god forgive you, for i cannot !

Jeff Dingman
Jeff Dingman
2 years ago
Reply to  Ollie

You are an idiot I can set a gun on the table in front of you and NOTHING WILL HAPPEN. Now someone picks up that gun another story. It’s the person behind the gun period!

Smarter than Ollie
Smarter than Ollie
2 years ago
Reply to  Ollie

Hunting rifles are higher powered than the guns I think you’re talking about. Do your homework before you go on your rants. I forgive you though. It’s just ignorance. That can be fixed.

John
John
2 years ago
Reply to  Ollie

The % of people who owned guns was higher 100 years ago. Machine guns could be bought without a permit or waiting period. But the the number of mass shootings before the 1990s was close to zero.

What’s new? The drugs for one. School teachers, rather than doctors, who prescribe drugs, for another.

Susan
Susan
2 years ago
Reply to  John

And God taken out of the classroom. There you go…list complete.

Brian Holmes
Brian Holmes
2 years ago
Reply to  John

It’s true. Starting in the late 80s early nineties. The decay of modern society and the internet age.

Rosie
Rosie
11 months ago
Reply to  John

social media and the internet, the need of the lil darlings to have immediate gratification, entitlements, selfies, all of this started when? yep, about the same time frame.

Christy
Christy
2 years ago
Reply to  Ollie

So the .22 I have or the 9mil my husband has (both of which are locked up and UNLOADED in the closet) can load themselves and walk out of my house and kill someone? Wow!! Thank you ever so much for enlightening me! How can I ever repay you?!

Logic
Logic
2 years ago
Reply to  Ollie

There are no hi-powered gun being used. The guns you’re talking about ARE illegal. Yet Illegal or not, criminals will still get them. What ever they set their mind to. And if not them, they will use something else. It is a mental health issue. Address that. Disarming people leaves them as sitting ducks to psychosis like this. And frankly, Id blame ignorance like yours if my child were harmed by the mentally ill because they or I were unable to properly and equally defend themselves. -mass destruction… grow up and stop following the bs propaganda. SMDH.

Dave
Dave
2 years ago
Reply to  Logic

The fear mongering (from both sides of this argument) is causing confusion and worthless arguments. No one (at least no one rational) is saying to ban all guns, and confiscate the ones out there. That is just stupid and nonsensical. The changes people are asking for are reasonable regulations that might just prevent the mentally ill/person with a checkered history from getting a firearm. And closing the loopholes that allow anyone to get one, say, at a gun show, without proper vetting. I don’t think that those requests are unreasonable. Might take some getting used to for some, but if… Read more »

James
James
2 years ago
Reply to  Dave

Many politicians and other gun-haters are calling for gun bans. Saying they aren’t is either an outright lie or ignorance. As far as the non-existent “gun show loophole” is concerned, that was invented by Bloomberg and his ilk. ALL guns bought from any dealer, at a gun show, online or in a store, runs a NICS check on the buyer. If you can find an example of a private citizen transfer of a firearm that was used in a mass shooting you should buy a lottery ticket. Just like the non-existent “assault weapons” is a made up term to scare… Read more »

Michael Mastroianni
Michael Mastroianni
2 years ago
Reply to  Dave

I’m not sure your reason or background for claiming no one is coming for your guns. The proposed legislation around the country is mountainous. Mostly from politicians and wealthy people who are protected by the very same guns. Perhaps the talking point is orchestrated. Perhaps just a like minded sentiment. I doubt it’s the latter. When a gun kills something, it’s actually doing what it’s designed to do. In e hands of a good, rational person, it saves lives. When drugs do he very same, they not only do the opposite of what they are claimed to be doing, the… Read more »

Gunner Asch
Gunner Asch
2 years ago
Reply to  Ollie

Ollie …you are an idiot of the worst sort. There are 180 million+ gun owners in the US who own over..over 400 million firearms. If “Its da guns!!”…we wouldnt be at the lowest crime rate in the past 50 yrs. You sir..are an idiot.

Joe
Joe
2 years ago
Reply to  Ollie

Go buy a gun set it on your table, yell and scream at it make sure it is loaded and see if it shoots you. If not, tell me it’s guns!!

Dee
Dee
2 years ago
Reply to  Ollie

Really? You honestly believe that young people, teenagers, on their own are capable of these tragedies? Unbelievable….

Vicky Totino
Vicky Totino
2 years ago
Reply to  Ollie

I completely agree with you. Nobody blames the parents and they are the responsible ones. The child is a minor and has a brain that is under developed. It is the parents job to raise their children to be contributing members of society. They should not jump to giving them drugs to do the parenting for them. What parnet does not know that something is bothering their kid? An oblivious one!

glen
glen
2 years ago
Reply to  Vicky Totino

if a ”child”
breaks into your home, steals your gun, goes out and shoot someone..are you responsible? that seems what you are saying

Susan
Susan
2 years ago
Reply to  Ollie

Why do these moronic trolls get to post this crap? What shall we do with these knife-wieldiding, Allu Akbar! Muslims?

Wild Bill
Wild Bill
2 years ago
Reply to  Ollie

Ollie is an ignorant, propaganda pusher. Get a real job Ollie. You don’t need this low paying troll stuff. The president has made it possible for you to find work that really pays, if you want it.

Ann
Ann
2 years ago
Reply to  Ollie

How stupid are you? Used to be kids had guns in their gun racks in their pickup trucks in the parking lots of schools around the country, yet there were NO school shootings. I don’t remember what age our daughter was when she received her first gun. In most areas kids take gun safety courses and are around guns on a regular basis… hmmm… no mass shootings. None of our guns or any gun owned by friends have gone out and shot anyone. Guns are most definitely NOT the problem. Many incidents have been stopped by armed citizens but you… Read more »

Wild Bill
Wild Bill
2 years ago
Reply to  Ollie

@Ollie, Sweep all research and evidence into the garbage can by a single epithet, and declare what you want to be the correct answer. What a tyrant. King Ollie the First.

Don
Don
2 years ago
Reply to  Ollie

To quot Shane ” A gun is a too just like a ax a hammer or a shovel. It is only as good or bad as the man using it” Got that Ollie.Also your forgiveness is not wanted or needed.

Will
Will
11 months ago
Reply to  Ollie

@Ollie,it must be idiot hour on Ammoland because here you are ! One more time real slow,inanimate objects don’t do anything good or evil. A person has to manipulate a trigger to make “the tool” discharge. Do you understand now,Ollie ?

Tom750
Tom750
2 years ago

What about the doctors and psychiatrists who prescribed these drugs? Who are they? Do they have any ties to intelligence or mind control programs? Why hasn’t anyone done an in depth survey of these people???

glen
glen
2 years ago
Reply to  Tom750

I actually believe that is the case to get us to give up our guns. I had classified clearance in my years in the service and believe me, it’s not at all impossible nor untrue

merrie
merrie
2 years ago

All you have to do is read “Behold a Pale Horse” he spilled all the govt secrets to include experimenting with OUR Children…

Sickntired
Sickntired
2 years ago

I’m amazed, although I shouldn’t be by now, at the lack of any knowledge of HOW SSRIs, SNRIs…, actually function in the adult body! Do some research, and learn! I do know, and they only assist the receptors, in the synaptic gaps between neurons, in functioning more correctly. They help prevent the neurons that release neurotransmitters, such as serotonin, norepinephrine, dopamine…, from the reuptake of what they have just released! For the neurotransmitters to perform their necessary physiological functions, they must cross the synaptic gaps, and be uptaken by the receptors on the other side. Some people have neuroreceptors that… Read more »

Susan
Susan
2 years ago
Reply to  Sickntired

Well said, my friend! Some people can’t critically think on their own (David Hogg, for example) who haven’t had the life experiences to see what’s actually going on here. A lot changed when they took God out of the classroom.

Amy SMITH
Amy SMITH
2 years ago
Reply to  Sickntired

Some people, 10 to 15% of Caucasians, can not metabolize psychotropics. Speaking of reading & learning, why don’t you trot over to your medicine chest & read your insert, where it shows on almost all psych drugs that dosages must be greatly reduced or serious adverse events, including suicide or homicide will result.

Susan
Susan
2 years ago
Reply to  Amy SMITH

@AnySMITH. Where in Sam Hill did you get THAT stat about Caucasians?? You couldn’t be more uninformed.

Amy Smith
Amy Smith
2 years ago
Reply to  Susan

Actually I am very well informed, and like I said, it is a new boxed warning on the inserts, so all you have to do is unfold the insert & read it. There is a test for this condition, and the test is completely reimbursable under Medicare & Medicaid. I am working to mandate the test in Colorado before prescribing psych drugs (and some others, like beta blockers). It could go a long long way to reducing or eliminating these tragic events without circumventing anyone’s civil or human rights. It is a new warning – ask your pharmacist to see… Read more »

Robert Garcia
Robert Garcia
2 years ago

Since columbine there have been 27 plus school shootings in the United States where students shoot students this only happens in the United States. Only in the United States are young boys being drugged by our government and our school system because they don’t act like girls. These little bottles of psycho tropic calmness and happiness , have small print that says may cause thoughts of suicide. suicide is the wrong word it’s homicide. Big Pharm. knows all about this so, they keep updating the drug, different drug different name. The psycho tropic drug Ridlen gave us Columbine. Our children… Read more »

Susan
Susan
2 years ago
Reply to  Robert Garcia

You can’t blame big pharma on this one. Check the prescribing information (PI). All those SSRIs and other and antidepressants have a minimum age to prescribe as 18. No, you cannot blame big pharma on this one – you need to look at the AMA. Many doctors think they’re God and think they can fix anything. Many times they go off label in order to “see” if something will work as they’ve tried everything else. It’s easy to blame big pharma as the manufacturer of Th these drugs. It’s like blaming the NRA which is also totally ridiculous. Think before… Read more »

cat
cat
2 years ago
Reply to  Susan

pharma benefits docs who prescribe their drugs…

Susan
Susan
2 years ago
Reply to  cat

Not anymore! There are tight nooses around pharma to not promote outside the guidelines. They who do, do so at their own peril and loss of much more profit than what they would get from a handful of prescribers.

Ya'aqov ben Ya'aqov
Ya'aqov ben Ya'aqov
2 years ago
Reply to  cat

Exactly! Doctors receive financial “kickbacks” for prescribing many of the propolactics. Seriously unethical conflict of interest.

Wild Bill
Wild Bill
2 years ago

The MDs get free seminars in Hawaii, the Bahamas, various Pacific Island resorts and other exotic places from big pharma, too.

Dorothy
Dorothy
2 years ago
Reply to  Robert Garcia

Robert Garcia..I absolutely agree with you. Astutely put. We have become a Nation under Drugs..we are growing so dependant on whatever the pharmaceuticals vias vie, the psychiatrists who decide these labels with drugs to match…decide so by a Show of Hands! Nothing ” scientific” about these ” disorders”, including ADHD…and the massively misdiagnosed..” Autism”, all if which comes with Schedule 11 ..highly addictive drugs! For what. Because the jud didn’t raise his or her hand!! Has too much energy?!! Didn’t turn in their home work on time…makes mistakes! Well…gee..who doesn’t! Teachers point these senseless fingers at kids..because they..and some parents…don’t… Read more »

Brian Rothman
Brian Rothman
2 years ago

What I would like to know is how long was each of these drugs studied before being approved by the fda,and what was the finding by these drugs companies which I wouldn’t trust. Because they put profit before lives ,it’s worth the financial payout in class action suites in the end .

Mepluribusunum
Mepluribusunum
2 years ago
Reply to  Brian Rothman

Sadly, these tragedies go back to the physicians, not big pharma. There are enormous guidelines in testing and promoting SSRIs and other antidepressants to clinicians, but they don’t always take our advice. Sometimetime physicians will prescribe “off label” which is giving a drug where it is obviously contraindicated. In this case, most of these kids are under 18. None of these drugs are indicated for children under 18. Do a little homework. The AMA lobby is a lot bigger than big pharma and the NRA, combined.

Mepluribusunum
Mepluribusunum
2 years ago
Reply to  Brian Rothman

A minimum of 10-15 years. That’s for the original compound when the drug first came to market. I can’t speak for generics. They don’t have to study the drug, just copy it.

Joyce Dahlberg
Joyce Dahlberg
2 years ago

Ok I do not wish to upset anybody. I have been in those shoes. The term suicidal by cop was even in my mind before the term became known. No I did not kill anybody but the urge to hurt self and others (mostly wishing lots of death to occur) around me was beyond awful. In 2015 as I was sitting at another mental health apt the counselor said “we must not be dealing with something from your youth. After 27 years in that mental health detaining field I said to myself “this doe snot make sense” I am following… Read more »

coffeebot
coffeebot
11 months ago
Reply to  Joyce Dahlberg

I think this demonstrates there are causes which have nothing to do with medication, gun access, or socio-economic influences.

Bob Willbee
Bob Willbee
2 years ago

Interesting comments for the most part. Mental health is like any other industry. There are books which claim it’s all a bunch of B.S., such as Thomas Zaaz The Myth of Mental Illness to the many that claim we are all insane in our own particular way. One thing I do know is that most of the recent “mass shootings”(and don’t be like the media and give a totally bogus number right after a tragedy without doing due diligence) should have been stopped by information that SHOULD have been in our vaunted so-called DATABASE but didn’t get there somehow. Do… Read more »

Jim
Jim
2 years ago

I was a full-time teacher for 35 years. I had a number of students who were on Ritalin or similar drugs. Many of them complained that they felt funny after taking it—they didn’t like how they felt. Some even commented that they didn’t feel like themselves and did all they could to avoid taking the drug. Secondly, I was a high school basketball and had an assistant who had depression problems. He was on a drug to deal with it but at some point the prescription was affecting him in strange ways. One morning he killed himself. The night before,… Read more »

Douglas S.
Douglas S.
2 years ago

I have seen what these phycotropic drugs do to people. An individual becomes addicted to them and when they miss two or three days due to cost they begin to have meltdowns. Instead of people coping with their problems today society and physicians say lets medicate them. Guns have not changed for several decades and yet drugs have, makes you wonder what is the real culprit here.

Tracy-Jean Rossouw
Tracy-Jean Rossouw
2 years ago
Reply to  Douglas S.

Drugs are one spoke in the wheel. Dangerous weapons readily accessible is another. Fatherless households is another. It seems obvious that all the issues need to be addressed. But the fatherlessness didn’t kill the victims, the drugs taken neither. The bullets did.

Jim R
Jim R
2 years ago

So we should take cars off the road because drunks kill people with them?

Dave
Dave
2 years ago
Reply to  Jim R

No, but they should be registered and regulated and not have dangerous people driving them. Nothing is fool proof but that doesn’t mean you don’t stop trying.

Starkwood
Starkwood
11 months ago
Reply to  Dave

So..cars and trucks are regulated, registered, drivers are tested and issued licenses and still…people die from drunks and reckless drivers. So guess that was a success, How about we look at the social reasons for most murders…lack of conscience. moral upbringing. sense of right and wrong. intact family structure. Heterosexual family structure Discipline taught in the home. Self control taught in the home. Personal responsibility taught in the home. When a few of these are missing, the risk increases that when things get really hard to deal with, someone will strike out in violence out of frustration, anger, or mental… Read more »

TheRevelator
TheRevelator
11 months ago
Reply to  Dave

Because we all know what happens if we look at where that lack of conscience and where it leads back to, or more importantly “Who”. That’s why they wont let that be the subject of purview.

Maryland
Maryland
2 years ago

No the bullets didnt, the shooter did. Bullets have to have a shooter to do the killing.

V Lutton
V Lutton
2 years ago

Doctors put kids on what they call drug “cocktails” a mix of medications for some disorders. Some of these medications are stated by the manufacturers not to be used by children. They are prescribed anyway. The brain is growing until age twelve I believe. Maybe some scrutiny needs to be applied to looking into medication practices?

V
V
2 years ago

Doctors put kids on what they call drug “cocktails” a mix of medications for some disorders. This is common practice. Some of these medications are stated by the manufacturers not to be used by children. They are prescribed anyway. The brain is growing until age twelve I believe. Maybe some scrutiny needs to be applied to looking into medication practices?

Dana Cook
Dana Cook
2 years ago
Reply to  V

Actually the human brain is not fully developed until around age 25.

Janek
Janek
2 years ago

Meanwhile high school aged kids are being organized to publicly lambast politicians (primarily Republican) for inaction. The one fact these kids overlook is school shooters are of and from their generation. Does anybody put the blame where it belongs?

Merdith
Merdith
2 years ago
Reply to  Janek

Yet not all people who take these drugs for mental health disorders create MASS SHOOTINGS.

Dan
Dan
2 years ago
Reply to  Janek

The link between mass shootings and psychotropic drugs is not nearly as strong as the author wants it to appear. Take his list of “mass shootings.” It’s an impressively long list – there around 45-50 bullet points there. But as you read down the list you’ll see that most of the listed events aren’t mass shootings at all. Many of them involve suicide attempts and attacks on family members. Since 1999, we’ve had 121 mass shootings in the United States. His list includes just 13 of them. Not very strong evidence of causation.

Rick Zuber
Rick Zuber
2 years ago
Reply to  Dan

I have compiled a list of 80 shooters that were all on psychotropic pharmaceuticals. Some were using several different types.

Steve
Steve
2 years ago

False Flag be careful not to go to Alex Jones territory.
“To Pulitzer Prize winning journalist Gary Webb, who exposed a CIA Operation in the 80’s that resulted in the flooding of LA Streets with crack cocaine and was later found dead from two gunshot wounds to the head.”
Did the Russians write this to discredit gun owners???

Vicki L Warrick
Vicki L Warrick
2 years ago

Just because the medications were prescribed does not mean that the drugs were TAKEN correctly. Compliance is a huge issue with psychotropic medications. Even in a controlled inpatient situation, Many checks are done to be sure the patient is actually taking the medications and not tucking them in between their check and their gums or somewhere else..The only sure way to know that the medication is being taken is to give it IM or IV and that is not feasible in any situation. And taking the medications erratically or doubling when a dose is missed can cause a rise in… Read more »

Gerr
Gerr
2 years ago

Legalized bribery, The American way

Tom
Tom
2 years ago

Actually the NRA only spends about 10 million a year on all political activity. A paltry sum when compared to organizations like the Teachers unions.

Heather Brenner
Heather Brenner
2 years ago

And the single biggest-spending lobbying group in DC is the pharmaceutical companies. Who get about a 10,000% return on every lobbying dollar spent

Susan
Susan
2 years ago

WRONG. You would think so because you’re uninformed, but Planned Patenthood and the teachers unions cough up the most cash when it comes to making policy. Big pharma had the clamps put down on them some 15 years ago. Big pharma did not cause this boy to pull the trigger. Read any PI (prescribing insert) for any of these drugs and you’ll see the are indicated for 18 years and older. You’ll have to tackle the AMA (Mexican Medical Association) lobby on this one.

Jan
Jan
2 years ago

It would be interesting to see a study done on all of the named above to see what, if any religious practice they had. My sense is an absence of God in one’s life can easily lead to feelings of hopelessness and despair, especially in our world today.

Rick Zuber
Rick Zuber
2 years ago
Reply to  Jan

Jan, you need to realize that these people are not sane. Morals, reason logic, and empathy are not a part of their world. They have no meaning because their minds and not functioning like a normal persons.

Jan
Jan
2 years ago

It would be interesting to see a study done on all of the named above to see what, if any religious practice they had. My sense is an absence of God in one’s life can easily lead to feelings of hopelessness and despair, especially in our world today.

SuperG
SuperG
2 years ago

It used to be that the mentally ill were institutionalized, given a treatment plan, then observed as to how that plan worked on them. If it didn’t, then another plan was developed and the patient was monitored closely. Then when they were stabilized, they were slowly reintroduced back into society. Our current system of out-patient mental health care is a farce.

J Ferg
J Ferg
2 years ago
Reply to  SuperG

You are right. In the state of California in 1995 several of the state hospitals for the mentally ill were closed down. Only the most severe were transferred to institutions that could house them. The others were released into the public with very little monitoring. California has a very high homeless population, a large number of them have mental illness to some degree. The state hospitals for the mentally ill need to be reopened so the mentally ill can be taken care of since most of them can’t take care of themselves. Give them a home, a safe place to… Read more »

Ben
Ben
2 years ago

Joy to all

Eat wiser..Yu be happeeee

Darrell Smith
Darrell Smith
2 years ago

Ther’s an issue with this that may be a huge problem that is yet unforseen amongst Congress. If they start delving into the use of psychotropic or antidepressants by gun owners and decide “Hey we can’t have this. We’re gonna have to take their firearms since their on these medications for safety.” What are they going to do about law enforcement officers that are on those same medications? I know SEVERAL of them that are on them. I don’t think citizens are gonna be to happy to have their rights taken away while others get a slide…..

Wild Bill
Wild Bill
2 years ago
Reply to  Darrell Smith

@Darrell Smith, The pivot point in your hypothetical is the words, “We’re gonna have to take their firearms…”

Buttermaker
Buttermaker
2 years ago
Reply to  Wild Bill

Great! Another Bull Shit article blaming medicine on Mass Killings.

Nottinghill
Nottinghill
2 years ago
Reply to  Darrell Smith

The Gov’t Agency Heads (FBI, DOJ, State Dept.), MSM and the US Congress are on D R U G S & SSRIs. They should be tested and then summarily fired. Starting with Feinstien and Pelosi then ending with Reid and Ryan. @DS; @WB and @Buttermaker: Pivoting is my buttocks with a ‘runny-one’ in their liberal BS traitorous mouths and the Rinos too including those in Florida. We’ve known since Columbine that US schools needs no less than ‘TWO ARMED Guardians’ and/or teacher/staff, brave and trained in schools especially in the ALL Blue “No Gun Zones” Near the main entrances and… Read more »

Chris
Chris
2 years ago

Obviously this is a biased article. There is a drug problem and there is a gun problem and something has to be done.

Aardvark
Aardvark
2 years ago
Reply to  Chris

Chris, there is a drug problem, but in this case it is perpetrated by the pharmaceutical companies and the psychiatrists. There isn’t any more of a gun problem than there is a car problem, or a doctor problem, or a hammer problem, or a trampoline problem. If you confiscate guns from law abiding citizens, you only create additional defenseless citizens, which will embolden the criminals. Guns are being manufactured on the black market in South America on a consistent basis. Do you think you could stop those illegal guns from being smuggled here anymore than they have stopped the illegal… Read more »

Traci
Traci
2 years ago
Reply to  Aardvark

Amen

Jeffrey Kaplan
Jeffrey Kaplan
2 years ago
Reply to  Aardvark

Amen and amen!!

Nani
Nani
2 years ago
Reply to  Aardvark

I used Prozac for over 20. I am a gun owner. I have never killed or pointed a gun at anyone.

Wild Bill
Wild Bill
2 years ago
Reply to  Nani

@Nani, No one is pointing a finger at you.

Sam W.
Sam W.
2 years ago
Reply to  Chris

There is a problem killing our young people IT IS NOT GUNS.
IT IS DEPRESSION! the sooner we realize that drugs are not the answer to depression the sooner we can find a cure. The whole gun control debate is a distraction from the real problem of suicide killing our kids. These shootings were not for thrills but for suicide.

Dana
Dana
2 years ago
Reply to  Sam W.

The cure is really quite simple…JESUS. Whether or not certain people want to admit or believe it doesn’t matter. It’s the truth.

GodCanSuckMyCock
GodCanSuckMyCock
2 years ago
Reply to  Dana

Fuck you, using a tragedy to try and push your false hope and bullshit religion. If you love God so much, why don’t you kill yourself and join him?

Dana Cook
Dana Cook
2 years ago

I’ hope that immature little outburst made you feel better.

KRAD
KRAD
2 years ago

You will probably be up for homicide charges at some time in your miserable life with that attitude.

God is real…..he won’t suck anything, and you will find out that when you die there is a place for people like you.

You do not cease to exist when your flesh and blood stops working. You will see that when you are burning in anguish and you look across the abyss and you are no longer experiencing the grace and mercy of God….at that time it will be too late.

Jesus is the answer for sure.

Wild Bill
Wild Bill
2 years ago
Reply to  Dana

@Dana, I concur, but there is no profit in that. No pun intended. And McCollum v. Board of Ed. must be repealed. That is the case where Hugo Black, a Catholic hater, fooled the public into thinking that the Constitution requires government and religion to be separate. The First Amendment does not say separation of Church. and State; does not mean separation of Church and State, but, in fact, has always meant the opposite.

Dave
Dave
2 years ago
Reply to  Wild Bill

So, are you saying, that if every child is forced to worship your god in school, school shootings will miraculously drop/stop? And if the separation of church & state is actually untrue, why do most states follow it so well? Are you just smarter than most school districts, or are you just someone desperately trying to push your ideals onto the nation of youth?

Charles Savoie
Charles Savoie
2 years ago

The drug companies are owned by Episcopalian families dating to Colonial times, when it was called the Church of England. In 1770 due to growing hostility with England, they altered their name to Episcopal Church. Then in the 1800s the British opium “trade” in China peaked with 45 million addicts, all required to pay in silver. That’s how England “recovered” so much silver “lost” by England and Europe to China for centuries over the “Silk Route.” Now so much seed capital from the opium business was used to found or buy into Pharma interests owned by The Pilgrims Society, which… Read more »

Sarah
Sarah
2 years ago

I glad to see that most people commenting that most of the killers in this list were young. I was put on SSRI’s in high school for depression, but I wasn’t actually depressed. I didn’t understand my emotions at that age, but I (just like the people who committed these crimes) felt that I should seek help for whatever they were. I took this medication and that medication, none of which made me feel any better and so I stopped trying to medicate and did more intense talk therapy to really work out what it was I was feeling- and… Read more »

coffeebot
coffeebot
11 months ago
Reply to  Sarah

Your experience demonstrates how common it is to take shortcuts in diagnosis. Also, that self reporting is important. The system should be getting better with drug discoveries and behavioral analyses but it seems to be getting worse because of budget. I know this is unrelated, but my wife was first misdiagnosed with asthma and given an inhaler. Then COPD and made to think it was her fault for weight gain. Then lumps were misdiagnosed as breast cancer which propelled her into a depressive downward spiral. Turned out it was sarcoidosis and the previous treatments had nothing to benefit. If we… Read more »

John Chambers
John Chambers
2 years ago

Thank you for showing the common denominator. Snowflake Weenies will also point to “mental illness” as the common denominator.
But we have had the mentally disturbed since the begging of time. That has not changed. What HAS changed is the “cure.”
Not until 50-60 years ago, drug treatments nudged out every other form of treatment. Drugs is what changed.
Good for you for noticing it and proclaiming it!

Anna Diomede
Anna Diomede
2 years ago
Reply to  John Chambers

I’m so glad you said it, the drugs have changed big time, I could tell you for sure that Zoloft is not the same as it was 14yrs ago, when it first came out it was a miracle drug, then when it became generlc it worked so different for me and alot of other people I’ve talk to, pharmaceuticals are Devils in my eyes….

Linda Starr
Linda Starr
2 years ago

What drugs was Adam Peter Lanza on, age 20, Killed 26 and wounded 2 in Newtown Ct?

Yale’s Kathleen Koenig was advised on two occasions that Lanza had adverse reactions to psychiatric drugs prescribed to him – the Celexa and Lexapro.

http://ablechild.org/2014/03/11/new-information-about-adam-lanzas-mental-health-treatment-reveals-multiple-drugs/

Linda Starr
Linda Starr
2 years ago

What drugs was James Eagan Holmes on, age 24….. killed 12 people and injuring 59 others in Aurora Colorado?

Sertraline which is the generic name for Zoloft, an SSRI antidepressant. He was also taking Clonazepam which is the generic name for Klonopin, a benzodiazepine.

http://www.cchrflorida.org/psychiatric-drugs-made-colorado-shooter-violent/

coffeebot
coffeebot
11 months ago
Reply to  Linda Starr

I hope we are not instantly blaming the medication for the behavioral problems. Some of these people were prescribed meds BECAUSE they had behavioral or psychological problems. What if we questioned those who died of cancer but blamed the chemotherapy? They wouldn’t have done the chemo if they weren’t diagnosed with cancer in the first place! With that in mind, I also am suspicious of the susceptibility of patients to suggestion, especially while under the influence of psychotropic drugs. I blame my skepticism on the X-Files series. At one time I was prescribed Zoloft and Klonopin and it helped my… Read more »

J green
J green
2 years ago

So, if these people had not had easy access to powerful weapons, they would not have been able to commit mass murder no matter what drugs they were taking.

connie
connie
2 years ago
Reply to  J green

Obviously you missed the fact that firearms WERE NOT USED IN ALL CASES! In England they have used automobiles and knives to kill multiple people. Wake up! Guns are not the only way to kill!

MASTERMECH48
MASTERMECH48
2 years ago
Reply to  connie

Not clear on what you believe “easy access to powerful weapons” encompasses, but just sitting in the middle of a pile of assorted loaded weapons does NOT justify random shootings, It Is A PEOPLE problem, not weapons of any sort. What you going to say when the terrorists of some P/O’d dude uses BIO agents on a crowd, no shots fires either.

Maxine
Maxine
2 years ago
Reply to  J green

That is such a Ignorant Response. The point is, the Drugs are having psychotic affects on people, seems more on the young! You go to the Root of the problem. Explosive information and what are Legislators should be looking at, with these horrific killings. Its not the Guns.. Seems Politicians always want to protect the Power Money Lobbyist and never protect the people. Only Attack the people with there Constants Gun Grabbing BS..These Type of Drugs Need to be against the law to prescribe.. Seem at least for those under 21 yrs of age, (young Minds.) There is diffidently a… Read more »

Eric S
Eric S
2 years ago
Reply to  J green

So your answer is to restrict a right rather than address the abuse of that right? Like it or not, the first thing you have to consider is the reality of the right to keep and bear. This article isn’t about firearm prohibitions, it’s about the misuse of medications, some of which is believed to be orchestrated by the pharmaceutical companies so as to increase profits. We have a dramatic increase in these events over the last few decades. Why? Gun,believe it or not, are harder to obtain today that they were before 1968. Before 1968 any adult could walk… Read more »

Matt G
Matt G
2 years ago
Reply to  Eric S

@Eric S Great Response!! When I was younger I saw many kids given “medication” for any number of reasons, just because the doctors either were getting paid off by “Big Pharma” or were too lazy to diagnose properly!! Yes, I was one of those Kids!! My “situation” was because I had gotten into a fight with another kid and the school “FORCED” me to go to a Psychiatrist at an “in patient” facility or they would NOT let me back in school!! The doctor immediately prescribed me medications and I was so “Drugged” that I was like a ‘Zombie’!! Gradually… Read more »

VE Veteran - Old Man's Club
VE Veteran - Old Man's Club
2 years ago

This and how the left handles things which pertain to this country are some of the root causes. This excerpt from the article titled “Mass Shootings and the Left’s Culture of Dissidence”. “Left-wing cultural influences, not guns, are responsible for mass shootings. In the immediate wake of the horrific Las Vegas massacre, the left has predictably politicized the event to advance its gun control agenda. Such violence has no place in America, leftists trumpet. But in fact, the left is quite okay with destruction and violence under the right, politically correct circumstances. It’s okay to burn the American flag. It’s… Read more »

Jim Tucker
Jim Tucker
2 years ago

If people would study History ,they would find out that every mass shooting has been comitted by a left wing Demc.

MGroff
MGroff
2 years ago
Reply to  Jim Tucker

Nowhere in any of the news coverage of any of the Mas killing did I ever hear about the Political Affiliation of the Suspects, except maybe one or two That I just remembered! Of those 2 people had Republican Party Affiliations and another person was known to have Democratic leanings! The few others where any “political affiliation” was mentioned, those who did the Killings had ISIS Ideology and had “converted” to Extremist Ideology!! But the rest, to my recollection, it was NOT Mentioned whether they were “Right wing” – Republican or “Left Wing” – Democrat or had any other Political… Read more »

Gunner Asch
Gunner Asch
2 years ago
Reply to  MGroff

Ft.Hood shooter Nidal Hasan – Democrat, and muslim Adam Lanza – Liberal, hated Christians Columbine High School freaks – too young to vote but came from very liberal families Virginia Tech shooter, Seung-Hui Cho – liberal freak Virginia Tech decapitater – liberal Colorado Theater shooter James Holmes – liberal Live on air Roanoke VA TV station shooter Vester Lee Flanagan – liberal Navy shipyard shooter Aaron Alexis – liberal Arizona Gabby Giffords shooter Jared Loughner – Liberal, hated Bush The DC snipers back in 2003 – Liberals Chattanooga TN Marine Recruiting center shooter – Muslim democrat Ted Kaczynski (the Unabomber)… Read more »

Whocares
Whocares
2 years ago

This site and a lot of people who post on this side are very funny to me at times I wonder if this guy would have been Asian ,Latino,Arabic , black or any other race other than an older white gun owner, retiree who owns property I wonder how this would go I wonder if the justification would be as epic as it is now.? I wonder what he be called words like thug, terrorist ,Criminal? I wonder would the focus stay on the shooter or continue to jump from the gun on to the drugs and every other thing… Read more »

F Riehl, Editor in Chief
Admin
Reply to  Whocares

Whocares, We could not say it anymore louder than you “the 2017 Las Vegas shooter, in fact all of these shooters were ABOSULOUTLY murderous thugs, criminals and terrorists!!!” . (mic drop)

Aardvark
Aardvark
2 years ago

And yet, news has broken today that the shooter was taking anti-depressant drugs, as were almost every mass shooter in America other than gang members or Islamic Terrorists. I agree, this guy was a domestic terrorist, to plan something like this out, but he may also have been sent over the edge by drugs.

CWT
CWT
2 years ago
Reply to  Aardvark

A criminal? From the moment he pulled the trigger. A murder? Without question. A domestic terrorist? Not without a cause behind the plan and as of yet no agenda has been found. Ft. Hood, San Bernardino , the Pulse Night Club and the Charleston church shooting were all acts of terrorism. Aurora and Sandy Hook were nut cases killing people. If something comes up that points to his having an agenda I will gladly revise my thinking. For now he is just a murderous POS.

CWT
CWT
2 years ago
Reply to  Whocares

A thug is someone whose lifestyle revolves around violence and crime. Funny thing is none of the non-white people I know come close to fitting the description but three or four whites do. Terrorism by definition is an act of violence committed for political gain. Criminal and murderous POS fit this guy perfectly. If some agenda is discovered I’ll add terrorist to the list.

Aardvark
Aardvark
2 years ago
Reply to  Whocares

I don’t know how you read that anyone is trying to “justify” what this guy did. He terrorized and murdered people; that makes him a murderous, terrorist. This article just brings up the fact that almost ALL domestic mass shootings, other than those perpetrated by gang members or Islamic Terrorists, are committed by people taking psychotropic drugs that had been prescribed by “medical professionals”. This is THE problem with this type of mass shootings, but the left and the media will completely ignore it because the big pharma companies pay their way, and dealing with the real problem would do… Read more »

Lisa Lazarus
Lisa Lazarus
2 years ago
Reply to  Aardvark

That is what I read. What are you reading? It’s a rich white guy, so it’s ok according to FOX news. They said they had nothing bad to say about this guy….thus a breeding ground for more of him. Just like slavery, shooting unarmed Black men, and they find every reason to justify it. White people want all Black people dead, when that happens you will only mass murder yourselves, but that is ok with you as long as you die with your gun in your hand. Why not hug a person, not a gun.

Maxine
Maxine
2 years ago
Reply to  Lisa Lazarus

Most all Black Shootings are Black on Black. I don’t know of any White People who wish Blacks Dead or anyone for that matter. But what I do Know, There is separation in this Country like never before. Blacks calling for Murder of Police and White People. Get your facts straight first. It was that Black Fake Leader and the Raciest Demorat party which Continues to lie and lead the Black race down the wrong path. Using them like they always have for there voting poll. Wake up

Toni Schroeder
Toni Schroeder
2 years ago
Reply to  Maxine

How true. These nutty black racists think all whites hate them, the way they hate us. If he understood how little whites care about race, it would ruin his day. We really don’t care what color a person’s skin is. We all bleed red. There is no conspiring against those of color. Obama is the one who started this nonsense, because, being Kenyan, he hates ALL Americans, black and white. He was raises as a communist and a Muslim, his entire being was programmed to take down America. And a civil war would do it. And FYI, who started the… Read more »

Charles Savoie
Charles Savoie
2 years ago

So when do families and survivors of rampages file class action lawsuit against Pharma titans, and against the news media for intentionally failing to cover this problem? Also named as defendant, the American Psychiatric Association. If you’ve heard how the 1 percent owns so much, Pharma is part of why. The one percent of the one percent is where money concentration reaches obscenity. I document it at a site where you find nothing to buy http://www.silverstealers.net and it’s about much more than going off silver coins in 1965.

Lisa Lazarus
Lisa Lazarus
2 years ago
Reply to  Charles Savoie

When it’s one of there own, they will blame every one but the killer.

John
John
2 years ago

This is definitely something to look at. My sister was placed on Wellbutrin and several others after having pain issues and they began killing her with these drugs. They wouldn’t listen and she tried 3 times to commit sucide. Never had any problems before these medications. She shot herself in the head this past May and died. Doctors and pharmacists are nothing but legal drug pushers. They killed my sister

Aardvark
Aardvark
2 years ago
Reply to  John

Sorry for your loss John. You are correct in blaming the drugs. My wife and I work in health care with disabled adults that mostly have mental disorders. We have researched many of these drugs and their side effects. For some people, I will admit that these drugs may be the only answer in controlling their symptoms. But for many people, especially with less severe disorders, these drugs can drive them to suicidal or homicidal thoughts and actions.

Lisa Lazarus
Lisa Lazarus
2 years ago
Reply to  Aardvark

Blame everything, but the use of a gun.

glen
glen
2 years ago
Reply to  Lisa Lazarus

we can blame their fingers. let’s all cut off our fingers and there will be less shootings

Helen Hobson
Helen Hobson
2 years ago
Reply to  Aardvark

Aardvark, you said it, these psychotropic drugs can really mess with your brain, suicidal thoughts and intensifying depression, not everybody has success with these drugs. Trial and error to the point of saying f’ it. Mixing these drugs can be deadly, Xanax is widely prescribed patients aren’t aware of the side effects everybody has a different body chemistry which causes a different reaction to these drugs. Anybody who takes these drugs needs to keep in close contact with their doctor and share information. The mass shootings are horrific and destroy so many lives.

canadian pharmacy
canadian pharmacy
3 years ago

General Dope Here this outcome

laurie
laurie
3 years ago

I have thought this for a while and I am sure I would be called crazy for it. I have this “belief” that the One world govt types are behind all of this. My thinking goes something like this…….. “they” need to create in all of us “fear.” They also need to create how we should respond to such fears…….. they need to be able to control us. So “they “make situations where young children are placed on these drugs…young adults and adults as well. Then these people are “groomed” in a sense. “They” know which ones they can count… Read more »

Lisa Lazarus
Lisa Lazarus
2 years ago
Reply to  laurie

Im a phlebotomist and we do blood drives. Black school no ones on meds, white school the majority are. One girl was given meds, because her brother died. If Black kids in Chicago were given meds for that, we would all be on drugs. Chicago is still a segregated school system. We have a lot of undiagnosed mental illness and white people are all diagnosed with some form or another. White people don’t believe in discipline, because they live in a world that lets them get away with murder. When will you realize love and let live is the answer.… Read more »

Diane Venning
Diane Venning
2 years ago
Reply to  laurie

You are not crazy about what you think is going on with the mefdicating of people and the gromming of them to trigger something in them to do these mass shootings. Many people are seeing thru this. And I know what you mean by protecting your daughter from the doctors who want to put her on drugs. Don’t let them Ii have had the same issues with raising our grandson with a few issues he has had

Adrianos
Adrianos
11 months ago
Reply to  Diane Venning

As a pro-2nd amendment and someone in Medicine, I can say this is a lot of broad brush strokes and misinformation. This is the equivalent of saying everyone that drinks will drunk drive and kill someone. Not to mention, you strip half of the US gun owners if you prevented these patients from owning guns.