ATF Confiscating Drop In Auto Sears

By Jeff Knox

Registered Drop In Auto Sears, RDIAS
Registered Drop-In Auto-Sears, RDIAS ; ATF says this is a machinegun because it can be used to convert a gun into a machinegun – but it only works in guns that ATF says are already machineguns,,, So this device is illegal because it can convert a machinegun into a machinegun. IMG : Quarterbore.com
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Manassas, VA –-(Ammoland.com)- Agents from the federal Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives, or ATF, have begun confiscating gun parts known as drop-in auto sears, or DIAS.

A DIAS is a simple toggle device which, when installed in an AR-type rifle, along with several other critical fire-control parts, can convert a semi-auto AR into a full-auto assault rifle. 

The devices were originally unregulated, but in 1981 ATF declared them to be machineguns if possessed in conjunction with the other parts needed to make a conversion, but the agency made their new determination apply only to DIAS’s manufactured after November 1, 1981.  Now ATF is apparently using the records of a man who openly sold the devices for decades to track down purchasers and take their property as contraband – with the real possibility of then prosecuting those people.

One of the reasons gun owners tend to be completely opposed to the passage of any new gun laws – no matter how innocuous or reasonable seeming – is the erratic history of interpretation and enforcement of the current gun laws.  This is also why I cringe every time I hear someone who supposedly supports gun rights – from politicians to the head of the NRA – calling for the feds to “enforce the laws already on the books.” The fact is, the gun laws that are already on the books are a labyrinth of confusion and booby-traps full of open-ended mandates, ambiguous definitions, and unbridled bureaucratic discretion.  Many innocent people have had their lives and livelihoods completely destroyed when federal agencies have decided to “enforce the laws already on the books.”

The law that was on the books up until 1981 said that a DIAS was just a chunk of metal unless it, along with at least 3 other “full-auto” parts, was actually installed in a gun without prior ATF approval.  Then in 1981, ATF bureaucrats, at their own discretion and under their own authority, redefined them as machineguns, but in their decree, they included the following exception:

“With respect to the machinegun classification of the auto sear under the National Firearms Act, pursuant to 26 U.S.C. 7805(b), this ruling will not be applied to auto sears manufactured before November 1, 1981.  Accordingly, auto sears manufactured on or after November 1, 1981, will be subject to all the provisions of the National Firearms Act, and 27 C.F.R. Part 179.”

For the following 30+ years, it was widely understood that any DIAS manufactured prior to November 1, 1981, was “grandfathered”  and not subject to the rules regulating machineguns, and that it could be legally possessed so long as the possessor did not also possess either an AR15 rifle into which the auto sear could be installed, or the other necessary M16 conversion parts.  The belief in the legality of DIAS possession was so prevalent that a variety of sources continued publicly selling drop-in auto sears that they claimed were manufactured before ATF’s arbitrary cutoff date.  Such DIAS’s were widely known as “Pre-81 Drop-In Auto Sears” and were routinely advertised in various firearms publications and on-line auction sites.

In 1986, the Firearm Owners’ Protection Act was passed with an amendment forbidding the future civilian transfer of any machinegun manufactured after May 19, 1986.  There was also a provision strengthening the definition of machinegun to include any part designed or intended exclusively for the purpose of converting a gun into a machinegun.  These two provisions meant that possession of a DIAS – even without a gun to put it in or the other needed parts – was a felony, and that a DIAS could only be legally registered by someone specially licensed to manufacture machineguns for the military and law enforcement – and then could only be possessed by a military or law enforcement agency.

The belief that pre-81 DIAS’s were exempt continued in spite of a ruling in 1998 from the US Court of Appeals for the 7th Circuit which declared that the ATF did not have the authority to “grandfather” or exempt pre-81 DIAS’s.  That determination was not widely reported, nor was there any apparent effort on the part of ATF to enforce the ruling.  In May of this year, the determination of the 7th Circuit was echoed, and expanded upon by judges in the Court of Appeals for the 6th Circuit.  I wrote a column at the time warning that not only DIAS’s, but a variety of other firearms and devices that have long been understood to be fully legal, are actually completely illegal (at least in those Circuits) and that the owners of these devices everywhere are in jeopardy.

The fact that the same conclusion has been reached in two different Circuits means that it is very likely that the other Circuit Courts will follow the same line of reasoning and reject any claims of exemptions based on prior ATF determinations.

Now it appears that ATF might be endeavoring to expedite that process as I am aware of attempts by the agency to locate and confiscate pre-81 DIAS devices in the jurisdictions of both the 1st Circuit and the 3rd Circuit.

Thousands of people are now at extreme risk for possessing Drop in Auto sears that ATF has explicitly told them it is legal for them to have.

Confiscations of drop-in auto sears could be just the tip of the iceberg, as ATF could start going after other “grandfathered” items such as open-bolt MAC and KG type pistols, Browning “G Series” Light Rifles, and certain other guns and devices.  Anyone who owns one of these devices should seek qualified legal counsel immediately.  Anyone who is contacted by ATF inquiring about such devices should refer them to counsel and also contact The Firearms Coalition to let us know about it.

As I have said before, while the rhetoric surrounding gun control always talks about targeting criminals and public safety, the reality is that enforcement of these laws is always aimed at regular gun owners whose only crime is believing that they are committing no crime.

The target of gun control isn’t criminals, it’s us.  The objective of these laws is to make us criminals and make lawful gun ownership too difficult and dangerous to attempt.

About:
The Firearms Coalition is a loose-knit coalition of individual Second Amendment activists, clubs and civil rights organizations. Founded by Neal Knox in 1984, the organization provides support to grassroots activists in the form of education, analysis of current issues, and with a historical perspective of the gun rights movement. The Firearms Coalition is a project of Neal Knox Associates, Manassas, VA. Visit: www.FirearmsCoalition.org

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matt

I noticed everyone read it but noone is bringing up the fact that this is part of the NRA’s fault. Most gun owners are tricked or berated into believing they are fighting for your rights….. They are fighting for nothing expect to get richer. It sickens me to see gun shop owners and friends throw tons of money at the so called NRA only to see countless more gun laws passed. State after state falls to government gun grabs while more and more law abiding owners join and throw money at the NRA in a long lost hope that there… Read more »

RED

I bought an AR 15 – steel body – autosear in 1980. It has no serial numbers – never been put together. Still in package. I just found it after all these years.

I bought then because I knew it couldn’t be confiscated once bought – “grandfathered” (I was hoping to eventually buy an AR 15 but could never afford). Now I would like to sell. Is my autoseat not only worthless but also a potential legal liability?

skans

Reference the picture of the golden looking DIAS. A registered DIAS is a registered machine gun. It can legally be installed in any number of AR-15 host type guns because no modification to the serial numbered receiver is required. There’s nothing all that special about it. The same is true for lightning links, FNC sears and other devices made and registered before ’86 that can be used to make certain specified guns fire full-auto. The device is not illegal because it doesn’t convert anything – by definition, the RDIAS IS THE MACHINEGUN!

David Ackley

I can’t begin to tell you how sick this makes me, all gun bans are a complete infringement of of rights. I’m a law abiding citizen with a full time job and a productive member of our once great society. I feel these gun bans are just obscene. If I want to buy an assault rifle or parts like drop in auto sears I should be allowed. A guns a gun!!! Regardless if it has full-auto capability. I feel I need to step up and be heard. The only way to be able to even be within throwing distance of… Read more »

Joshua Bressel

I have a RDIAS, and thanks to a broken trigger pin, the sear hinge got notched. It isn’t working well, anymore. Does anyone know where I could go, to get the part repaired/replaced? I’d rather just send the hinge, pin, and spring, than have to deal with nightmare transfers of the body.

Al

A.T.F.& E. changed their own rules on the DIAS & then busted a guy in Detroit who sold them at Gun Shows & in SHOTGUN NEWS . I bought from the Detroit guy & had the agents tracking me down in upper Michigan who threatened me with the old Federal Warrant – Federal Prison Time & a whopper fine,because I had a machine gun part-really I dont have a machine gun. Just AR rifles in different caliber’s!!

Steve

I didn’t know that about pre 81 DIAS.. hers what I ponder though… what would be the point if wining an auto seat that you couldn’t own a gun that it could be used in. Is there any way around that or paperwork/taxes that could allow you to use the pre 81 sear in something?

Walt Reinheardt

Good grief, Vito Vitale. I’m not sure what it was about, but THAT was some rant. =)

privateer 1776

Study the history of the English colonies on the North American continent that happened on April 19th, 1775. The day soon cometh that this “history” shall repeat itself. As the good book says, “Let those who have been warned warn their neighbors”. Keep yer powder dry folks……

David

I ordered one of the auto sears, 3 weeks ago, haven’t got it yet. Maybe I should send it back when it comes in, and not open the package . I do not want to go to jail for a hobby. Looks like if it was a federal crime to own them. how can a person make and sell them and not get arrested ? Maybe we are getting the Chicken Little complex.