Home Resident Killed by Maryland Police Trying Confiscate His Guns

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Anne Arundel County, Maryland – -(AmmoLand.com)- Foxbaltimore.com is reporting that a Maryland resident was killed by police as they tried to enforce a “Red Flag Gun Confiscation Order” at 5:17 am in the morning on Monday, November 5th, 2018.

Information is incomplete at this time but according to Fox Baltimore;

“Anne Arundel County Police are investigating an officer-involved shooting that occurred Monday morning in Ferndale.

Police spokesman Jacklyn Davis said officers responded to 103 Linwood Avenue at around 5:15 a.m. to serve an “emergency risk protective order,” also known as the red flag order.

The man answered the door armed with a handgun and a struggle ensued as officers attempted to disarm the man, Davis said.

During the struggle, the man’s handgun discharged and police fired shots, Davis said.

Davis says no Anne Arundel County officers were injured in the struggle. The suspect was pronounced dead on scene.”

Maryland Governor Hogan disregarded veto requests and signed “red flag” bill (HB 1302) in Spring of 2018. Under that bill as it became law, virtually anyone can ask a law enforcement officer to file an ex parte petition with a state district court judge or commissioner and allege that the gun owner poses an immediate danger to himself/herself or others because (and only because) he or she possesses firearms. If the court issues the order, the police can show up on the doorstep and seize the person’s firearms without notice or warning.

All it takes is a family member, dating partner, or roommate to claim that someone is a danger to themselves or others to have his or her Second Amendment rights stripped away by a secret court hearing.

Right advocates predicted that this new movement of taking your rights with Red Flag Orders might have deadly consequences and called for vetos of this law and others in multiple states.

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    john killen
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    john killen

    Stupid cops following unconstitutional non-laws. So how many citizens are they going to murder before this crap is ovrturned??????

    Thomas R Hartshorn Jr
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    Thomas R Hartshorn Jr

    Unconstitutional and illegal MURDER BY SS POLICE is what it should be labeled.

    Badger52
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    Badger52

    25 yrs ago in another country if such a thing happened the US would be assisting the raid that snatches the Governor of Maryland, and spirits him to the The Hague to stand trial for capital war crimes.

    One of these days – soon – it is going to go differently for the police.

    Jeff winn
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    Jeff winn

    Can some one please explain where is the confusion in this statement.
    “A well regulated militia, being the best security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed.”
    And #2? As in right after #1?

    Al Vrooman
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    Al Vrooman

    The police were in violation of USC 18-242: 18 USC § 242. Deprivation of rights under color of law The Gist: Anyone who, under color of any law, statute, ordinance, custom or regulation, willfully deprives any person of any rights, privileges, or immunities secured or protected by the Constitution or laws of the United States, shall be fined, or imprisoned for up to one year, or both. If bodily injury results, or if the violation includes the use or attempted or threatened use of a dangerous weapon, explosive or fire, the prison term rises to up to ten years. If… Read more »

    Alan
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    Alan

    Al:

    Assuming your reading and understanding of the relevant U.S. Code is correct, the following question looms uncomfortably large and unanswered. How come it seems that the appropriate authority, the U.S. Attorney for that district has not yet instituted proceedings under the applicable section of the U.S. Code. Forgive me if I pose the proverbial dumb question.

    Al Vrooman
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    Al Vrooman

    That is MY question, exactly. Though I got that summation from a web page, I went on the DOJ’s website, and that is the exact wording they had. Maybe it is because the conspiracy is too wide spread, and the ‘movers and shakers’ are above the law??? On another forum, I got the reply that it has been decided that Civil Rights are not absolute. But this is not a question of how far the right goes, it is about conspiring to subvert that right. Which clearly exists, in some form, in the Bill of Rights.

    Al Vrooman
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    Al Vrooman

    I sent a query to the owner of Oregon Firearms Federation. He said they never thought of it before, and is running it by his lawyers. I also sent a query to the US DOJ Civil Rights division, though I don’t expect a response. I am surely not certain about the relevance, but it surely raises some questions, I believe it was enacted in the late 40’s as part of the Civil Rights movement to protect minorities. But the 2ndA is an enumerated Civil Right, and the statute seems applicable. ???

    Alan
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    Alan

    Earlier comment having failed to appear, I will try again. Regarding the portions of the U.S. Code you mention, how come the appropriate authority, the U.S. Attorney for that district seems to be taking no action re prosecution of what appears a clear violation of U.S. Code? MIght I be posing the proverbial dumb question?

    Richard Tater
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    Richard Tater

    Because it’s the People’s Republic of Maryland

    Alan
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    Alan

    Al:

    In a response, you noted that “it had been decided that Civil Rights were not absolute”. Decided by who, whom or what? Please clarify. Thank you.

    Old Codger
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    Old Codger

    Have you EVER heard of a LEO – at ANY level – being prosecuted under 18-242? Me either. There are other statutes whereby one may sue the LEO(s) involved civilly. Where/how would one go about finding out if any LEO has ever been prosecuted (successfully or unsuccessfully) under 18-242 or sued (successfully or unsuccessfully) under the statutes authorizing civil suits?

    Shari
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    Shari

    It is with great sadness I read this article. I am sad for the man dying, for his family, for the circumstances, and for whatever happened that made the situation come to the conclusion it did that day. I am a God-fearing concealed carry female who loves her country, is an Army vet, works hard, and loves her husband with everything she has. A deplorable…and one who’s oath will never expire. HOAH!! That being said, I will never give up my guns to anyone. I will also never give anyone the fuel to WANT to take away my guns. Those… Read more »

    Russ Parker
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    Russ Parker

    Very well said. Thank you for your service and thank you for your continued patriotism. I stand with you!

    Linda
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    Linda

    Thank you for your selfless service to this country. You and your brothers in arms protect us and we should not take it for granted.. It seems so many people here seem to take the freedom, you have helped us keep, for granted. When it’s gone they will be the first ones to cry & complain. No more I-pads, I-phones, watching what they want on TV, no freedom of speech, etc etc.. As it is this country is on the brink of loosing all we take for granted.

    Hide Behind
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    Hide Behind

    While we bullshit and play “How Smart I Am”, nothing but words and no solutions. Those arrayed against gun owners daily flaunt their disregard of any Constitutional restrictions and people lose their Rights, get the shit beaten out of them for not complying,.and most of all, you have Police, who claim to be Americans, “Just Following Orders”.. We are in the midst of a civil war and the enemy are those residents allied with our government; wether by Laws and rules by State, county, city, and even to the Supreme Court itself. We gun owners are damn near in full… Read more »

    Bill
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    Bill

    It won’t surprise me that the next time somebody tries a 5AM no knock assault on someone’s home that the knockers get shot, maybe killed. Who would not answer the door with a gun after it is knocked in by “someone” claiming to be the cops? I wonder how many home invasions happen just this way? Sooner or later the second war of independence will start like this, just as it did the first time— at Concord– when the Britts (the ruling authorities at that time) tried to disarm the public. Obama bin laden, pun intended, sold more guns than… Read more »

    Charles Moore
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    Charles Moore

    Here’s a Biblical principle for you (and everybody reading this); it actually PERFECTLY sums up the meaning and purpose of the Second Amendment. Best read from the KJV.

    Read Psalms 149:5-9.

    Note that the “two-edged sword” was the “assault weapon” of the day.

    Michael H
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    Michael H

    If cops are banging on your door, it’s foolish to answer with gun in hand. There is nothing secret about the initial hearing. They are ex parts meaning the petitioner, who might be a disgruntled ex girlfriend or mom concerned for her suicidal adult child, presents a one sided case for why the respondent gun owner should have his or her firearms removed. After the order is served, the respondent HAS DUE PROCESS by having a hearing to show that the petitioner was lying or wrong or whatever. If the Petitioner fails to meet his or her burden to show… Read more »

    Alan
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    Alan

    You mention that “while these types of laws are subject to abuse they probably save lives”. While your assumption might be correct, it is however simply your assumption. While “lives might be saved”, the following question looms uncomfortably large. Regarding the fact that these laws WILL be abused, no question about that, this Maryland affair being just a single example of ordinary abuse, if not criminal abuse, What Price Glory, or in other terms, how much “abuse” are you willing to accept in the hope of possibly saving lives? Oh by the way, at what point do you say ENOUGH?

    Al Vrooman
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    Al Vrooman

    Part of the Left’s argument against the death penalty is that “we cannot risk the death of even one innocent person”. So much for that mantra!!.

    Alan
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    Alan

    Oh by the way, one additional thought. DUE PROCESS as an AFTERTHOUGHT doesn’t do it, as in my view at least , DUE PROCESS COMES FIRST. DUE PROCESS IS NOT AN AFTER THOUGHT, NOR SHOULD IT BE.

    Heed the Call-up
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    Heed the Call-up

    Michael, there is no due process when you or your attorney is not present when the decision to confiscate your firearms is made. The police don’t come announced to your door to take your firearms. When the “temporary” time-frame has ended, you are then required to go through another background check before your firearms are returned to you. Also, the police have no time-frame on when they are required to return your firearms, nor under any obligation, by law or otherwise, to return them to you in the same condition they received them. Police are not known for safe and… Read more »

    Grim
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    Grim

    Nicely said.

    Alan
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    Alan

    Well said sir, very well said. That noted, I wonder as to the following. While the forces of Law and Order, so called, are obviously culpable, they would likely have the shield of Qualified Immunity to hide behind. Someone, for some reason, started the affair by reporting an allegedly dangerous situation to them. I would think that “civilians” do not have the benefit of the above mentioned Qualifid Immunity, civilians being responsible for their actions. Assuming that the identity of he or she who started this ball rolling could be discerned, I imagine that legal action could be brought against… Read more »

    Old Codger
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    Old Codger

    No act is illegal (or unconstitutional) unless the perpetrator is apprehended, tried AND CONVICTED! If the perpetrator(s) is(are) not apprehended, tried and convicted then the act ipso facto is not illegal – FOR THEM. Clearly, rather than being held to a HIGHER standard, our civil “masters” (and their minions) are held to a much Much MUCH LOWER standard.

    ColRon
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    ColRon

    Truer words never said.
    I suggest that the readers here on this site have an appropriate alarm system to wake you up at any hour during the day/night for a house invasion….bad guys or the police. There are thousands of home invasions by LEOs throughout the country annually. Look it up. Many of them have no warrants. Our rights are trashed in most of these invasions.

    Badger52
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    Badger52

    Other commenters have hopefully disabused you of the notion that being found guilty beforehand without due process (which must be a 2-way street or it isn’t), then having to prove your innocence after the fact, should exist in any free & transparent circumstance. If they haven’t then, frankly, you have picked your side. The statists love to concede “possibility” for abuse of yet another law where government tries to legislate human behavior (a fool’s errand) but argue that greater good is served “if it saves even one life.” How much liberty are you personally willing to forego? Someone saw you… Read more »

    John S Stagg
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    John S Stagg

    If you live in a state which has been taken over by nazi thugs it is time to get out. States like maryland and california are opening themselves up for mass shootings by criminals who obtain guns illegally and kill a lot of innocent people. States where everybody owns a gun make it very hard for criminal murderers who are let out by liberal judges and obtain guns illegally to harm anyone. The liberals know this but don’t care because their goal is to do what all dictators do, take away your ability to defend yourself and then take away… Read more »

    ayy
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    ayy

    You’ve lost it if you think the nazis are the thugs here.

    Heed the Call-up
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    Heed the Call-up

    ayy, well, the Nazis were Socialists, and the current crop of elected Democrats are Socialists, so the comparison fits when the laws and actions match.

    Wild Bill
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    Wild Bill

    @Heed, apparently” ahh ” can not recognize a similitude, a parallel, or a comparison, when he comes across one.

    Michael Fallon
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    Michael Fallon

    If due process had been followed, instead of in secret, so the gun owner would know beforehand, and had a opportunity to defend against the action in court, this death could have been avoided. It is why i think Red flag laws without due process, is unconstitutional. I hope this case goes to Federal court.

    Al Vrooman
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    Al Vrooman

    To this end. It is now Dec 8. Has anyone seen a follow up to this they can post?? It is mostly, and conveniently hidden on national news.

    joefoma
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    joefoma

    These ‘red flag’ laws should send up a red flag to all gun owners. If anyone can just call the police and have them come out and confiscate your weapons everyone is at risk of losing them. Until the snowflake, anti-gun activist, or housewife has to appear before a judge and risk committing perjury the calls will be made. Until the judges act based on facts, not on an abundance of caution or anti-gun sentiment the warrants will be issued. It won’t be long until every gun owner is embroiled in a legal battle for the return of their weapons,… Read more »

    Alan
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    Alan

    Has an action at law, aka a law suit been filed against the police? Has any sort of court action been instituted against the originator of the problem? I do not know how much success would be achieved by either of the above mentioned, however it seems worth having a look at, this being my view of the thing.

    John McNair
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    John McNair

    Here’s how you deal with laws like this. Get the name and address of every police officer, judge ect and file a complaint. When they are overcome then the law will be ignored.

    joefoam
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    joefoam

    The law should have never been enacted as written. Whoever is registering the fear of potential violence should have to stand in front of the judge and make their case, not make a simple phone call to police, that way if it’s discovered that the claim was false the accuser will have to stand trial for perjury. A crazy girlfriend called the police on my neighbor, my neighborhood was full of squad cars and cops were everywhere with their rifles slung. My neighbor was walked out of his house, cuffed and put into a squad car. The police questioned him… Read more »

    Joe Skelton
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    Joe Skelton

    Maybe you could get the names of all the police officers and then call and report that they have a gun and may be a danger to someone

    Heed the Call-up
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    Heed the Call-up

    Joe, yes I have read that suggestion elsewhere. I suspect that a judge would automatically dismiss such a case because the accused is a LEO – don’t expect fair/just treatment. That does not mean that the LEO isn’t a danger, just not typically to him or other LEOs. However there was that case several years ago, I believe in CA, where an officer did kill other officers and he was hunted down and killed.

    Wild Bill
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    Wild Bill

    @joefoam, Cities have lots of money. If their police make an illegal arrest, then it can be like winning the lottery. The key is a skillful and avaricious lawyer. Consult, “Causes of Action” vol. 9 at 42 USC 1983.

    joefoam
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    joefoam

    That’s one option, however municipalities have enacted laws to protect themselves from such lawsuits. It is a long, arduous task to take on the gov’t. You’ve heard the phrase ‘you can’t fight city hall’ I’m sure. And if you are dead it really doesn’t matter does it?

    Alan
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    Alan

    You might be dead. What about survivors?

    Wild Bill
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    Wild Bill

    @joe, Well, the municipalities can not protect themselves from federal lawsuit, and it is true that it takes a long time, but the rewards are great.
    A fellow close to me prosecuted his reverse-discrimination lawsuit for ten years (including the appeal) and three months. He had to spend $18,000 of his own up front, but received $300,000, a forced promotion, and back additions to his retirement plan.
    If the plaintiff is dead, then it does not matter, but his estates and relatives can to punish the offending municipalities on his behalf.

    Jack Mac
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    Jack Mac

    I do not know how many judges, LEOs, and politicians consider all armed citizens as Red Flags; I do know that there are to many. People that hold their rights against them are also deemed Red Flag “deplorables” best eliminated.
    Then disarmament would be less dangerous. Defendants are told that they knew or should have known the results of their acts. LEOs are aware of this.

    Alan
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    Alan

    Seems that altogether to many judges, law enforcement types and politicians fail to realize that there are more of us, the citizenry whose patience they sorely try, than there of them, and quite possibly that the sorely tried patience, above mentioned, is best left unstrained, a concept that seemingly has escaped their attention. Regarding the serving of warrants at 5 AM, who is the idiot who wrote the manual on such proceedure, and is the demonstrated failure of common sense a prerequisite for obtaining such employment?

    William Burke
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    William Burke

    Dammit, people, it’s “TOO many, not “to many”! “To many liberals, the Maryland gun confiscation law seems reasonable.’

    That alone should make you shy of using the word “to” improperly. It’s your language; do you want the Chinese being more proficient in it than you are?

    FEAR THE GOVERNMENT THAT FEARS YOUR GUNS.

    Heed the Call-up
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    Heed the Call-up

    William, with tablets and “smart” phones, they frequently auto-correct after you have spelled the word. I have noticed where I missed auto-corrections on posts, too. We are just human, but the technology isn’t.

    Madianto Gloria
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    Madianto Gloria

    they don’t care, it is in play by design,we will be dancing with the devil soon , or should i say,- the music is about to start .Remember the war on drugs, the motives were all noble and then there were needed for more autonomy and more power and guess where it is today, with asset forfeiture and all that now can be exposed to the clutches of such system, from the use and miss-uses, error or not they will get it any way. Finally we all-r- potential suspects of something ,it is all a matter of perspective or circumstances,… Read more »

    Old Codger
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    Old Codger

    “Seems that altogether to many judges, law enforcement types and politicians fail to realize that there are more of us, the citizenry whose patience they sorely try, than there of them” Or as I prefer to put it; The ratio “Indians” to “Chiefs” will always favor the “Indians”. The corollary to that is that a large enough group of REALLY POed unarmed serfs can bring down a fully armed and armored Knight. They will not do so easily or without bloodshed but they CAN do it. As Stalin so insightfully put it, “Quantity has a quality all its own” “Regarding… Read more »

    bvdon
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    bvdon

    Seems like many in law enforcement are eager to have a confrontation. The simple and safe way would have been to quietly wait for the person to go out of the house (for food, job, etc). The worst plan is try and force their way into his home with many police AND the person having arms available.

    Alan
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    Alan

    Re the numerous adverse comments seen on the latest in Lawenforcement Escapades out of Maryland, I wonder as to the following. How many come from Maryland residents, and perhaps even more important, how did the complaining parties vote in elections past?

    Terence miller
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    Terence miller

    @Alan Your a fucking retard if you think voting works. Keep drinking the flouride you fucking sheep.

    Alan
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    Alan

    Terence Miller

    My technical as in engineering background leads me to pose the following question. Please think carefully prior to answering, assuming that you might be capable of providing an adult response. EXACTLY what sort of action do you recommend? Note, adult discussion, if you are capable of such, is preferable to childish imprecations and shouting.

    Thanks.

    joefoam
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    joefoam

    So what EXACTLY does your background have to do with this subject? Are you trying to impress the readers of this blog with your expertise in engineering? Are you one of the elitist snobs that want to dictate how everyone conducts their lives? You are more than willing to specify how we are respond to your comments, what else do you want to control? As for how the incident was handled, if the reports are true, and the man had laid down his weapon, the police had deescalated the situation and it should have ended. However the police allowed the… Read more »

    Alan
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    Alan

    I have no desire to exercise any control over whatever it is that you do or say, so long as it does not impact me. I simply stated that I would hope a discussion could be had, absent personalities entering therein. Unfortunately, that might not be the case here. I leave the soap box to you.

    William Burke
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    William Burke

    If you stop voting they think you’re a surrender monkey. Like you.

    Joe
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    Joe

    I agree with Terence. The odds of positively affecting one’s own outcome by voting have to be less than the odds of winning the lottery, worse still, are the odds of being able to even predict what vote will positively affect ones outcome.

    Voting is what the ruling class created to pacify the masses and to accept being ruled again, after the masses figured out that the define right of kings is hogwash. The purpose of voting, today, remains to prevent the people from revolting and ending the state.

    Alan
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    Alan

    Joe:

    Noting that you find the political process, voting for instance useless, correct me if I’m wrong, what do you suggest instead.

    Joe
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    Joe

    I suggest an American (or a worldwide rather) spring. Let’s peacefully overthrow the states of the world by refusing to participate. A state is a criminal organization. We don’t need a criminal state to be proud of our people. The state is not us. The state is not America. There have been places, like Ireland, that have lived stateless with a civilization for 1000+ years. While European countries were constantly overthrowing one another and their people were living with parasite kings, Ireland was stable and their society operated in a non-coercive way. Taxation is theft. Steal from someone, a portion… Read more »

    Al Vrooman
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    Al Vrooman

    I believe it was Joe Stalin that said: “you may vote, but WE count”.

    TexDan
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    TexDan

    Excellent comment. I agree, how did those who are getting the boot up their keesters vote. Everytime I read about things like this occurring, I also ask myself, how did that individual and their family vote? As far as T.M. comments, that is exactly the problem, putting their heads in the sand and bitch and moan. We have to vote, we have to vote as a block, no matter what only vote for pro-gun Republicans. Or, we will get the government we deserve, much like Maryland and etc. Votes do count and I aint no Sheep for stating this. I… Read more »

    Dhebes
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    Dhebes

    I’m not sure if voting is working anymore. This last election, I feel there was major voter fraud committed and its ongoing. How the hell do these democrats keep finding ballots that only are for democratic candidates!?!

    Nomad
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    Nomad

    @law abiding citizen, here is THE LAW : Your Right of Defense Against Unlawful Arrest “Citizens may resist unlawful arrest to the point of taking an arresting officer’s life if necessary.” Plummer v. State, 136 Ind. 306. This premise was upheld by the Supreme Court of the United States in the case: John Bad Elk v. U.S., 177 U.S. 529. The Court stated: “Where the officer is killed in the course of the disorder which naturally accompanies an attempted arrest that is resisted, the law looks with very different eyes upon the transaction, when the officer had the right to… Read more »

    joefoam
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    joefoam

    You can cite chapter and verse all you want, but the fact remains a judge signed a warrant, it was executed and will certainly occur again. The cops will be let off as they were ‘only doing their jobs’.

    Darcmac
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    Darcmac

    “Only doing our jobs” = “Only following orders” – the same defense the Nazi soldiers presented when captured at the concentration camps.

    Al Vrooman
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    Al Vrooman

    They would be in violation of USC 18-242, and could be sentenced to 10 years in prison. Same goes for whomever conspired to issue the illegal order: 18 USC § 242. Deprivation of rights under color of law The Gist: Anyone who, under color of any law, statute, ordinance, custom or regulation, willfully deprives any person of any rights, privileges, or immunities secured or protected by the Constitution or laws of the United States, shall be fined, or imprisoned for up to one year, or both. If bodily injury results, or if the violation includes the use or attempted or… Read more »

    Joe
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    Joe

    Wow, Nomad.

    That’s a lot of good information.

    Nomad
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    Nomad

    @brick, IT WAS HIS SISTER, THEY HAD A DISPUTE, AND SHE CALLED THE COPS. I WONDER HOW THAT IDIOT FEELS NOW THAT SHECKILLED HER BROTHER OVER SPITE …

    Aneriproud
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    Aneriproud

    Another DEMORAT PLOY TO IMPLENWNT ERRADICATION OF GUN OWNERSHIP. RED FLAG

    Alan
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    Alan

    I believe the term Qualified Immunity might come to mind here, otherwise known as yet another legislative miscarriage, putting it politely, likely more politely than is deserved. Seems as if there is a lot of important information lacking here though.

    lawabidingcitizen
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    lawabidingcitizen

    My thought is this… if armed, uniformed and recognizable police officers come to your home, hear them out and cooperate with their demands. Once the situation is deemed “safe”, then demand an explanation. If the officers aren’t cooperating, then request a supervisor and demand an explanation. Once explained, if you dont agree, say no more and contact an attorney. The field police officers are between a rock and a wall, what are they supposed to do, refuse a lawful legal order from a supervisor? If it’s an illegal arrest, then you’ve got grounds for legal action. Any misconduct, error in… Read more »

    Jason
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    Jason

    Seizure of guns due to red flag laws are /the same as an arrest. This gun owner was not subject to arrest. As many other said and you either didn’t bother to read or chose to ignore, when dealing with a seizure of property warrant officers should call in advance to talk to the individual not show up in the early morning like you are looking for 1 of America’s Most Wanted.

    If you’re going to preach get the crux of the matter right. And without details of what happened your hypothetical assertions are a waste of time and space.

    Donald
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    Donald

    Code is not Law.

    Legislation not in harmony with the constitution is void

    Wtf

    Alan
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    Alan

    There is most certainly something in what you mention. That said, it strikes me that we still come back to the following. The individual retains basic rights until, based on proven actions, they have demonstrated otherwise. Seems to me that in this case, as well as to many others, such demonstration is conspicuous by it’s absence. As to claims by line police officers that “we were following orders”, that sort of dodge didn’t go very far at the post WW2 war crimes trials. It shouldn’t go very far today either.

    BillyBob Texas
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    BillyBob Texas

    Well, we don’t know IF that picture goes with this story…..but using a sledgehammer to knock on one’s door is not a ‘visit by the police where you will get a chance to “hear them out” and be able to cooperate with them.

    Heed the Call-up
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    Heed the Call-up

    law abiding citizen, one thing you fail to understand is that with a warrant, there will not be time given for discussion and understanding. You comply or they bust in. Since the officers knew he was armed, and they were there because he was supposedly dangerous, you believe they would be “reasonable” and take time to “discuss” the warrant with him? They saw he was armed and immediately got their buck cheeks puckered, attacked him, then shot him – exactly as those opposed to this law stated would happen. The photo isn’t misleading, it clearly states it is a “file… Read more »

    Mark Koernke
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    Mark Koernke

    They deserve to be shot and they will be. No, the photo is right on. It depicts the police state and their real mind set. The “rank and file” are very rank and LIKE what they are doing. They get to steal and keep peoples property. There is a click in every cop shop that is the worst of the worst and will do any dirty deed. That is who was on that mans front porch at 5:15 am . A swine with a mission and a killer…a pack of murderers. I have been doing radio for decades. This is… Read more »

    Lance Worton
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    Lance Worton

    A law is not a law if it violates the Constitution of the United States. Just another excuse to dearm the American people, and take us into Socialism/Communism…

    JR
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    JR

    Thing about that is too many people impersonating officers to make this applicable. The police should have backed off when he answered the door with a firearm. He is in his own home … If he then becomes threatening towards the officers then they have the right to deadly force. Calmly present the warrant and go from there. This was a breach and clear mission.

    John S Stagg
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    John S Stagg

    Tell that to the jews who were treated the same way by the nazis and ended up in concentration camps.

    Darkest light
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    Darkest light

    You are full of it officer or whatever you are. You and you com-padres are violating the highest law of the land. Further more, Just following orders is not a valid excuse anymore than it was for those Nazis tried and shot after the war for war crimes. “All laws which are repugnant to the Constitution are null and void.” (Marbury vs.Madison, 1803.) Police have no excuse for enforcing whatever they are told and looking at the public as the enemy. You are a liar or deceived,either way it doesn’t matter anymore . You and your cop buddies are the… Read more »

    Badger52
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    Badger52

    “My thought is this… if armed, uniformed and recognizable police officers come to your home, hear them out and cooperate with their demands. Once the situation is deemed “safe”, then demand an explanation. ” Safe for whom? There are any number of circumstances where I might come to the door of my own home armed, gun in hand. I might not grant entry. I might not acquiesce to their demands. No “tough talk” – just fact.. Every legislator who voted for that law, and the Governor who signed it, should be sued for wrongful death, individually & collectively in their… Read more »

    Jeffersonian
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    Jeffersonian

    Three words:
    Wrong Address Raid.

    bigdrumdaddy
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    bigdrumdaddy

    Our local Sheriff, shortly after Obama’s election, (and subsequent discussions re gun confiscation) made a point of telling all federal law enforcement officers – who trained at the one local gun range. The only gun range in the county. He reminded them that, should they embark on no-knock raids in an effort to confiscate guns, it would behoove them to do so in a more pleasant manner. Reminding them that the same men who belonged to the same gun club they trained at, interacted with, and often were neighbors with, knew where their wives & kids were virtually 24/7. And… Read more »

    Alan
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    Alan

    Seems to me that the sheriff was, if anything, being polite to a fault.

    Brick
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    Brick

    So I have seen nothing mentioned about who reported the victim. Who the hell gave this mans information to the court and why? The individuals who reported should be having a day in court to face the family of the victim.

    The man had a legal right as Kavanaugh did to face his accusors. This was a violation of the victims right to due process along with his 2nd amendment right.

    Alan
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    Alan

    It does seem that, absent clear and convincing evidence that the victim was in fact a danger to himself and/or others, the person reporting him as such should be vulnerable to a wrongful-death or wrongful-endangerment suit by the surviving family. If the reporter was a private citizen, there should be no “immunity” theory protecting them.

    Butch Strey
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    Butch Strey

    I think it said someplace that it was his sister. They apparently had a disagreement, she called the police and this was the outcome.

    Fred
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    Fred

    Maybe next time it will be a cop that gets killed

    Alan
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    Alan

    Welcome to Maryland, Police State U.S.A.

    Leon DiJusticia
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    Leon DiJusticia

    I experienced some police brutality first hand when I lived there at the hands of a Baltimore County ‘officer’ who started beating on me because he thought I was somebody else (whom he had it in for). The best police Maryland has are its State Troopers. I never had a bad experience with any of them. The police departments of Baltimore City and the surrounding counties though, do seem to have more than their fair share of individuals on a power trip (and who likely couldn’t get a job doing anything else) who have NO business having deadly authority. I… Read more »

    Stanley Hodge
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    Stanley Hodge

    I liked the INTENT of the law to disarm someone who is showing violent intent but I to have a sister in law who has banned me from coming into her home with a gun because she says it is not safe and feels unsafe sad that they show up at 5am to enforce the warrant

    dava golino
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    dava golino

    WE AS LAWFUL GUN OWNERS TALK ABOUT supporting the Blue line.. why are they not supporting US.

    Firewagon
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    Firewagon

    After discovering it was the police, “he put his gun down.” Although, still possibly fatal to have held onto it, EVERYONE should choose to “hold onto it,” and send the absolute clear message that ‘removing our “property,” without due process, is going to get DEADLY, and NOT just on one side!

    m.
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    m.

    anti-2a d-rat d-suckers to the rescue

    ALLEN EDWARDS
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    ALLEN EDWARDS

    Man im all for our Law Enforcement Officers,but this new practice is wrong,plain wrong!!

    ALLEN EDWARDS
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    ALLEN EDWARDS

    whoa this IS wrong!

    douglas rhoads
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    douglas rhoads

    That is murder,They came into that mans house and murdered him

    Dan
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    Dan

    That’s just not right!

    Mark Koernke
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    Mark Koernke

    Go watch the mini series “AmeriKa” on youtube. It was NEVER allowed to be rerun anywhere on TV. Not on cable, satellite or network. Then go watch the Russian movie “The Checkist” with subtitles. Get a copy and share. What you see there is what they have planned for here if the leftists finnish what they have started. Organize, arm,equip and train as militia for mutual defense. You will need it. Liberty1775

    Hide Behind
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    Hide Behind

    The 2nd Amendment is but one of 10 Bill of Rights within the Constitution, and its original intent was not just so you could go hunting or protect ones own sss from bad guys, blacks and savage Indians, it was meant to protect the whole Constitution and limit Government Individuals and groups of individuals from within and outside i from abusing the Constitutional powers. Screw the malitia, not since days when peoples malitia was quelled in early days of founding stomped by Feral Armies under Presidential orders has there been any Bill of Rights abuses seen a malita uprising. Seemingly… Read more »

    James Barnes
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    James Barnes

    That “law” treasons the 2nd, 4th and 5th amendments of their sworn oaths and is and act of treason under 18 USC 2381 therefore CANNOT BE and NEVER WAS LAW. Norton v. Shelby County, 118 U.S. 425 p. 442 “An unconstitutional act is not law; it confers no rights; it imposes no duties; affords no protection; it creates no office; it is in legal contemplation, as inoperative as though it had never been passed.” Gomillion v. Lightfoot, 364 U.S. 155 (1966), cited also in Smith v. Allwright, 321 U.S. 649.644 “Constitutional ‘rights’ would be of little value if they could… Read more »

    Bruce
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    Bruce

    All perfectly valid points…
    doesn’t make that gun owner any less dead however…

    Grim
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    Grim

    We must expect to lose a few to defend our rights. If you are not committed, turn in you guns.

    Gideon D. Asche
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    Gideon D. Asche

    that is without the3e funniest and most ludicrous misunderstanding of the law I have ever read. thank you – I’ll laugh all day over that.

    Wild Bill
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    Wild Bill

    @GDA, Your comment is broad and vague. Just what is it that you disagree with?

    Charles Moore
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    Charles Moore

    AMEN!! (We – and all who agree with us on this forum – are now “on their list.”) There is also a RULE in Volume 17 (page and paragraph numbers for which I have forgotten) of American Jurisprudence (the RULE BOOK for courts, judges and lawyers) that also declares, like Norton v. Shelby County cited above, that a law that is unconstitutional is null and void from its’ inception and that no person can be tried or convicted under it, no court or official can charge, prosecute or convict under it AND that its’ unconstitutionality DOES NOT DEPEND UPON a… Read more »

    Charles Moore
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    Charles Moore

    I found the proper citation (it’s been nearly 25 years since I last saw it, so I beg the pardon of all who read the above comment/reply). The correct reference is American Jurisprudence, 2nd Edition, Vol.16, Sec 177 late 2d, Sec 256:

    It can be found by typing the above into most any search engine.

    Bill
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    Bill

    As you point out, it is not even laws and the intent of laws that rule. It is what a society allows to happen. We allow lawlessness and elect leaders who promote lawlessness, and then we expect the laws to mean something? I understand that the Soviet constitution allowed for freedom of religion. Uh, yeah. Clearly, it is not the words on paper than matter, but the substance of the human spirit. If Americans decide to be submissive wimps, the tyrants won’t need to worry a bit what laws and the Constitution say. (Oh, change that from future to present… Read more »

    Alan
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    Alan

    With a view to the above court findings, how is it that the off nding parties, they being the police, will likely get away, without a hair out of place here?

    Donald
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    Donald

    Thank you James