Did Shelter in Place Save Lives or Cost Them?

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U.S.A. –-(Ammoland.com)- Covid-19 might kill 100 thousand of us in the US, but maybe not. We still have hope that it will kill far fewer. What we do know is that putting 200 million people under a relaxed house-arrest costs lives too. We have to ask if shelter-in-place saved lives or cost them. Who gets to decide that more young addicts committing suicide was worth it in order to have fewer old people die in nursing homes?

You want us to do what?

The entire discussion rests on shifting definitions. At first, we were told to “flatten the curve”, and that made sense. The mortality rate from the virus and from every other disease would skyrocket if our hospitals were overwhelmed and couldn’t take new patients. Fortunately, we flattened the curve really well. Once our medical facilities had some breathing room, then shelter in place didn’t save lives.

That is when some politicians announced that we needed to keep the disease from spreading. Diseases like this coronavirus are not easily contained. They spread as easily as the common cold, since many cold viruses are also coronaviruses. Did those orders serve a public health goal, or were they serving a political goal of putting the politicians in front of the news cameras? There isn’t data that they saved lives.

Died with the virus or because of the virus?

To make the entire question harder to understand, we also starting fudging the numbers. You might already know that many men die with prostate cancer, but not from prostate cancer. It is unclear how we should record it when a person who has several diseases and only a few years left to live dies with the coronavirus. Some deaths were recorded as being from the novel coronavirus while the patient could also have died from the seasonal flu which caused similar symptoms. The early numbers have large error-bars and overcounted the lethality of Covid-19.

We made the illness worse.

We’ve seen some very strange information coming from New York City. One bad practice was to move seriously ill patients with the virus to nursing homes to recover. These patients no longer needed critical care in a hospital, but they remained infectious. Many residents of these nursing homes are elderly people who are very vulnerable to the virus. That may explain the unusually high number of deaths that we saw among old people in New York city while we didn’t see that rate of lethality in other cities.

There are other medical costs.

Telling a hundred million people to stay home has secondary effects that go way beyond toilet paper. We told people with serious health problems to avoid medical treatment so we could make room for the flood of Covid patients. That flood never came. Instead, we had people die of heart failure or of cancer while they waited for medical treatment. Treating the entire USA the way we treated New York City was a mistake.

Does social distancing save lives?

It isn’t clear that mandated social distancing and shutting down schools and businesses actually saved lives. Sweden and South Dakota never issued stay-at-home orders. Their rates of infection were not much different from other states. Some were better, and some were worse. Japan had extraordinary success by isolating their vulnerable population and issuing voluntary health recommendations.

It is hard to measure the benefits of lockdown. It is relatively easy to estimate the costs.

Isolation is dangerous.

There are a number of other fragile populations that politicians put at risk with lockdowns. As of yet, we don’t know the cost in human lives. We kept mental health patients from seeing their therapists. We kept addicts from attending their support meetings. We know that a regular schedule helps people keep their life on an even keel. Feeling useful at your job helps you feel like your life matters. People adapt, and therapists and addicts developed schemes to work around the edicts for social distancing. We don’t know how many more people relapsed or committed suicide because stay-at-home orders removed their support network. We do know that we made more addicts and more suicides.

The human cost of unemployment.

Politicians put 15 million people out of work. That increased the unemployment rate by 8.2 percent. Earlier, we’ve seen the opioid death rate increase by 3.6 percent for each percent increase in the unemployment rate. We had about 114 thousand people die in 2018 from drug overdose and suicides. That number increases to about 192 thousand when we include deaths due to alcohol. If deaths due to alcohol abuse and suicide are as sensitive to unemployment as drug overdose deaths, then government mandated lockdowns might have killed an additional 57 thousand people. We’re not sure yet, and I hope it is less. Far less.

That doesn’t mean that mandatory stay at home orders failed. It means we have to see about a 40 percent reduction in the rate of death due to Covid-19 after states and counties impose lockdowns, or else the stay at home orders could cost more lives than they saved. We’re not seeing that sort of reduction in illness yet.

Other people with a sharper pencil will generate more accurate numbers than I have. This quick glance is enough to know us we have to be careful. Social isolation costs lives and is only justified once we have evidence it actually reduces deaths from Covid-19.

Until we have that evidence, shelter-in-place orders are political theater.


About Rob MorseSlow Facts

The original article with references is here. Rob Morse writes about gun rights at Ammoland, at Clash Daily, and on his SlowFacts blog. He hosts the Self Defense Gun Stories Podcast and co-hosts the Polite Society Podcast. Rob was an NRA pistol instructor and combat handgun competitor.

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JIAZ

It’s all right out of the Totalitarian Playbook. Create and implement Chaos and Panic throughout the population. Then, under the guise of coming to the rescue, Seize Power.

JIAZ

I actually enjoy “socializing” from a distance.;)

Papa

Wearing a mask now in public even for short periods is giving me headaches,dizziness,weakness,racing heart beat. Watch out for other side effects. I stopped wearing a mask now. Staying at home is healthier for me

gregs

dying with and of the Wuhan virus has seriously inflated rates of deaths. what about the increased number of suicides by people who have no job, income, social interaction, children starving, domestic abuse victims who cannot get away from their abuser with the lockdown. no government employee has lost their paycheck, yet tens of millions of civilians have. their models have been so wrong as to be unusable/worthless. their advise on masks, social contact, and every other marker has been totally wrong. why do these sheeple or lemmings not think for themselves. they have the entire collective knowledge of humanity… Read more »

Tionico

“flatten the curve”? WHAT curve? I knew when that barmy bit of nonsense was first floated it was bogus. Just as I did the announcements that all “non urgent” or ‘non critical” hospital proceedures would be cancelled. Friend of mine was set for some badly needed heart surgery last arch. He is STILL waiting and struggling His daughter is a nurse, working in the facility where he was scheduled. SHE says they are sereiously short of things to do.. no customers. Meanwhile her Dad sits home in quarantine no critical surgery. Sehcdule stuff, then IF all the beds start filllng… Read more »

reno

masks do not stop the spread of the WUHAN CHINESE VIRUS
DEMOCRATS HAVE KILLED MORE PEOPLE WITH THEIR POLICIES OFSHELTER IN PLACE AND PUTTING SICK PEOPLE IN NURSING HOMES
THE GOVERNORS OF NEW YORK, MASSACHUSETTS, NEW JERSEY, ILLINOIS, AND KALIFORNICA SHOU;D BE RECALLED AND ARRESTED

TexDad

Less illness versus… something that didn’t happen? Good luck quantifying that. Yes, we have less illness with more precautions.

You’re right though that isolation and fallen economy has a very real cost in health and lives. I was immediately disappointed in all our talking heads that the conversation wasn’t about balancing all the risks from Day 1.

Ryben Flynn

I read stories of Hospitals with few or no patients and the workers were furloughed and one Hospital closed its doors because no patients. We were hoaxed as to how bad the virus is. 80,000 deaths barely surpasses the deaths from the 2017-2018 flu virus which was 79,400. Just as bad but the Country didn’t shut down over it. The Dem Panic was an excuse to lay the blame on President Trump so they could try and impeach him a second time. Russia didn’t work, Mueller didn’t work, Crimea didn’t work, Stormy didn’t work. I doubt the virus will work… Read more »

Choogie

If you want to find out about this Political Flu Pandemic you should go to News With Views National and check out Reference Guide to Debunking the Political Flu Pandemic. You will learn more there about this flu than most any other place. You will see just what a crock of dung this pandemic really is.

Tionico

has anyone here ever heard any GOVERNMENT entity passing along any recommendations as to whcih common inexpensive dietary supplements one is advised to take to strangthen one’s own immune system to enable it to fight off this virus WHEN it comes your way? For about a buck or two a day, one can easily strengthen their own body to naturally beat this thing when it comes. And none of the supplements have any side effects of note, excelt in extremely rare conditions. WHERE is Fauci, or Birx, telling us what steps WE can take at home for pennies that will… Read more »