Gun Grabbers Demand Unprecedented “Executive Actions”

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Gun control advocates are wasting no time cozying up to Joe Biden demanding he use executive action to ban guns ASAP. IMG NRA-ILA

U.S.A. -(AmmoLand.com)- Although the outcome of the presidential election has yet to be certified – and with recounts, lawsuits, and investigations ongoing – gun control advocates are wasting no time cozying up to Joe Biden, and demanding his “executive action” to restrict access to firearms.

A recent article in Michael Bloomberg’s gun control propaganda arm, The Trace, detailed what it called “7 Ways Biden Could Go It Alone on Gun Violence Prevention.” The article noted that the would-be president’s own website states, “Joe Biden … knows how to make progress on reducing gun violence using executive action.”

“Executive action” in this case means legally-binding steps the president asserts he can take without Congress actually enacting or amending specific laws.

Of course, it’s the constitutional duty of the president to “take Care that the Laws be faithfully executed.” But that merely begs the question of what is a legitimately “faithful” interpretation of the law.

One possible clue that an interpretation of the law is not faithful is when the executive branch suddenly finds a completely novel, and notably expansive, reach to a law that has been on the books for many years. This clue is even stronger when the impacts of this reinterpretation would be felt mainly by the executive’s political opposition. Judged by these standards, the gun grabbers are clearly goading Biden to act as a monarch instituting decrees out of whole cloth, and not merely as an administrator of existing rules.

After all, then Vice-President Biden was supposedly the point man for the gun control push Barack Obama launched during his second term. Obama has made a point of repeatedly emphasizing how the lack of “progress” on gun control was the most frustrating and anger-inducing aspect of his presidency. The Obama-Biden administration spent years searching for ways to unilaterally clamp down on Americans’ access to firearms. Now, however, gun controllers are suggesting that even more, and more dramatic, executive actions against firearms and their owners were somehow left on the table as lawful options.

The Trace article linked to a letter from a coalition of gun control groups suggesting various ways the “Biden-Harris Transition Team” could supposedly use executive authority to diminish the right to keep and bear arms.

Among the dozens of proposals were some that are largely symbolic and unlikely to do much of anything. But others would effectively change longstanding principles of law and even criminalize the possession of firearms that law-abiding Americans currently obtain and own legally.

Obama, for example, was heavily pressured to pursue “universal background checks” by making casual, infrequent sales of firearms subject to a federal firearms dealer’s license. Yet that was a bridge too far even for the Obama ATF. The agency instead released “guidance” on the issue that did not establish the specific numerical trigger for licensing gun controllers had demanded, instead of focusing on the “specific facts and circumstances of [the seller’s] activities.”

The gun control coalition, however, hopes Biden will be more aggressive, urging him to “[f]urther clarify which gun sellers must obtain a federal firearms license from ATF.”

Their letter additionally calls for an outright ban on “ghost guns.” While it doesn’t explain or define this term, it is frequently used by the media and other gun control advocates to describe unserialized firearms, including those that Americans make for their own lawful use. Any attempt to ban such homemade firearms, which have been a lawful aspect of American gun culture since before the nation’s founding, would be a clear overreach.

The Trace article goes even further, urging Biden to instruct ATF to reclassify popular firearms currently owned by millions of Americans as regulated under the National Firearms Act, which requires special government permission and taxation for making, transfer, and possession. This suggestion was based, in turn, on a proposal by the leftist Center for American Progress. The guns mentioned include braced pistols and shotguns with bird’s head-style grips like the Mossberg Shockwave or the Remington TAC-14.

Should such reclassification occur, these millions of gun owners would suddenly be in felony possession of firearms they had previously obtained legally and in good faith. While it’s possible an “amnesty” could be declared – perhaps allowing the owners to register and obtain tax stamps for their guns or even just to surrender them without prosecution – there’s no guarantee this would be the case. Yet even the best-case scenario would still have the gun owners declaring themselves as such to a hostile and disapproving federal government and paying a $200 tax for each newly-classified firearm.

Should any of these scenarios come to pass, persecuted gun owners would have nowhere to turn but the courts. Fortunately, as the NRA has noted repeatedly, one of President Trump’s most enduring legacies has been his progress in reshaping the federal judiciary with appointees who are dedicated to the rule of law and the original meaning of the U.S. Constitution.

Whether this backstop will curb the gun-grabbing ambitions of a possible Biden-Harris administration remains to be seen. But as The Trace article makes clear, their supporters and funders in the gun-ban lobby remain as insistent and unhinged as ever.


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RoyD
RoyD
4 months ago

There are some people who should not have access to firearms. The person who shot the kids at the Florida school was one and here in this story we have another. In these cases, and others like them, I think there were/are people who should be held accountable for allowing those people to have those guns. Prove me wrong.

1-year-old Dallas area girl dies in accidental shooting, teen in custody (msn.com)

JSNMGC
JSNMGC
4 months ago
Reply to  RoyD

Ok, RoyD, I’ll prove you wrong. The Parkland shooting was a massive failure of government employees. The murderer had made many credible threats but was not arrested due to a policy advocated by the Obama administration. He violated existing laws about threatening to murder people. There were paid, armed government employees on site who’s responsibility it was to protect the children. They were complete cowards and failed miserably to do their job. They are still government employees. In your post above, are you advocating for Red Flag laws? If not, what do you think should be done? No new laws… Read more »

RoyD
RoyD
4 months ago
Reply to  JSNMGC

Seems that there were many who knew what he was. And did nothing. “Nikolas Jacob Cruz was born September 24, 1998 in Margate, Florida[72][73][74] and was adopted at birth by Lynda and Roger Cruz.[75] Both his adoptive parents died, Roger at age 67 in 2004,[76] and Lynda at age 68 in November 2017, leaving Cruz orphaned three months before the shooting.[77] Since his mother’s death, he had been living with relatives and friends.[78] At the time of the shooting, he was enrolled in a GED program and employed at a local dollar store.[79][80] Cruz was a member of the Junior Reserve Officers’ Training Corps (JROTC) and had received multiple awards “including academic achievement… Read more »

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RoyD
RoyD
4 months ago
Reply to  JSNMGC

Nice try at deflection there with your last paragraph. When my other reply gets posted it lists some of those who bear, in my mind, some of the responsibility and that should be held accountable. Of course it’s just my opinion.

JSNMGC
JSNMGC
4 months ago
Reply to  RoyD

Not deflection – why do so many people go after guns instead of other things? A Cuban refugee murdered 87 people in NY in 1990 with less than a gallon of gasoline. Do you hold the gas station responsible? Should every purchase of more than 3/4 of a gallon of gasoline be reported to the Federal government? “Some people should not have access to gasoline.” We already have plenty of laws aimed at “keeping guns out of the wrong hands” – we don’t need firearm owners fomenting more government authoritarianism. You can’t stop bad people. You can’t legislate a parent… Read more »

RoyD
RoyD
4 months ago
Reply to  JSNMGC

If nothing else you have defined yourself on this topic and so, in that respect, it has been worth my while.

JSNMGC
JSNMGC
4 months ago
Reply to  RoyD

Yes – I am against never-ending gun control.

Attempts at creating a nanny-state result in the loss of freedoms.

Ansel Hazen
Ansel Hazen
4 months ago
Reply to  JSNMGC

I don’t see any of what Roy has said as going after guns. What I see is Roy saying the people involved are who is responsible. IE: Shitbags like Obama should pay the price for his failed Promise Program along with everyone else involved with that farce. That’s what allowed that piece of shit to be able to kill those kids. We all know guns don’t kill people, shitbags do. Maybe if everyone involved in a program like this one who looks the other way winds up hanging by a rope we would have less of this going on. Sadly… Read more »

JSNMGC
JSNMGC
4 months ago
Reply to  Ansel Hazen

Maybe.

His very first sentence “There are some people who should not have access to firearms” is a typical introductory sentence to pleas for more gun control.

If he was just saying Obama’s policy of “restorative justice” lead to problems, he took the long way around the barn.

RoyD
RoyD
4 months ago
Reply to  JSNMGC

I think you saw what you wanted to see. Some people are like that and there’s no convincing them otherwise.

RoyD
RoyD
4 months ago
Reply to  RoyD

Let me try this. Go to the section labeled “Suspect.” See all the people that knew that he was a danger to the public, and himself, and failed to do what needed to be done. They should have been held to account.

Stoneman Douglas High School shooting – Wikipedia

JSNMGC
JSNMGC
4 months ago
Reply to  RoyD

Why are you so cryptic about what you think should be done? The murderer at Parkland could have been arrested for crimes prior to the murder. I said that in my first post. The government failed in arresting and convicting him before the murders were committed. I said that in my first post. The cowardly government employees that were being paid to protect those children should have been banished from society. They remain government employees. I said that in my first post. You can’t prevent someone like him from killing a large number of people. Gonzalez killed more people than… Read more »

JenIsPsycho
JenIsPsycho
4 months ago

WE ALL NEED TO STICK TOGETHER AND ENFORCE OUR CONSTITUTION AND OUR GOD GIVEN RIGHTS AND PUT GOD BACK #1 IN AMERICA BEFORE IT IS TOO LATE!!!!!! WE CAN’T CONTINUE TO LET EVIL (GOVERNMENT) CONTROL AND RULE US !!!!

Elisa Delaurenti
Elisa Delaurenti
4 months ago

Read their list of demands…. It’s a boondoggle for the racist, sexist, socialist, marxist, communist, social justice, career “victims” in life under the guise of disarming the American people.

Ryben Flynn
Ryben Flynn
4 months ago

Nice picture. Biden looks normal and Harris is a hag. (a witch, especially one in the form of an ugly old woman (often used as a term of disparagement for a woman).

Mystic Wolf
Mystic Wolf
4 months ago
Reply to  Ryben Flynn

Well kamawhamadingdong is in that league, she is a witch just like nasty pislousi, both witches and both have a vapid hatred for the people of this country, kamawhamadingdong only sees the people as criminals so that witch will treat the people in that way. The nasty pislousi does not even see the people so all that witch does is sqwak like some ugly bird.

musicman44mag
musicman44mag
4 months ago
Reply to  Mystic Wolf

I’m sorry but I am the spelling Nazi and you miss spelled Bitch. What is it with the letter W. They made the same mistake when they miss spelled Wrap music when hit should have been Crap.

Knute
Knute
4 months ago
Reply to  musicman44mag

The joke going around back in the day was: “Rap music has everything. The only thing it’s missing is the “C” in front!” 🙂

RoyD
RoyD
4 months ago
Reply to  Knute

True, so true.

Cam
Cam
4 months ago

There are more legal gun owners than all the federal law enforcement and military in the US. They should look at the noncompliance levels of New York safe act and think hard.
If they play this card and after you see the noncompliance people will see the government has no power and will start to decent to anarchy.

Revolutionary war started over a tea tax.

Cruiser
Cruiser
4 months ago
Reply to  Cam

Cam, That is worth repeating. “Revolutionary war started over a tea tax.”

Mystic Wolf
Mystic Wolf
4 months ago
Reply to  Cruiser

T= TAXED
E= ENOUGH
A= ALREADY
And you can bet the taxation has yet to start, quid-pro-joe wants a 15%gun tax added to the regular income tax forms, as gun owners we already pay some of the highest taxes there are, quid-pro-joe pays nothing in taxes.

musicman44mag
musicman44mag
4 months ago
Reply to  Mystic Wolf

Are you talking about the money he got for being a senator or vice president or are you referring to the back door taxes from the illegal gains he has made from kickbacks from Solindra, Tesla, Iran the chineese and other countries collected through his relatives.

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Green Mtn. Boy
Green Mtn. Boy
4 months ago
Reply to  Cam

And was kicked off in earnest with the crowns raid in the powder houses in Concord and Lexington,Come Git Some.

Knute
Knute
4 months ago
Reply to  Green Mtn. Boy

Lexington and Concord are really good examples for us today. The Colonists lost the battle when the British fired “the shots heard round the world”. They dropped a few (I think maybe 4…) colonists with the first volley, and the Patriots broke and ran into the woods. The British, thinking that the fight was over, and that they were victorious over the “rabble”, reformed for the long march back to base. Which turned out to be an all-day march while under constant fire from the surrounding trees. The British suffered more than 50% casualties in that ‘victorious’ action. It doesn’t… Read more »

Neanderthal75
Neanderthal75
4 months ago
Reply to  Cam

Actually, it started when Redcoats came to Concord and Lexington to confiscate ammunition and firearms from the colonials, so that they could not resist the British military.

The British military was there to enforce illegal laws which were nothing less than tyrannical and dictatorial.

The tax on tea was simply an example of the tyranny.

Cheers from the Oil Patch in Central Wyoming

Laddyboy
Laddyboy
4 months ago
Reply to  Cam

Taxation Without REPRESENTATION along with the Red-coats trying to CONFISCATE Americans’ powder and ARMS along with its equipment is the “SHOT HEARD AROUND THE WORLD”.

Cruiser
Cruiser
4 months ago

To all gun grabbing traitors.

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Oldmarine
Oldmarine
4 months ago
Reply to  Cruiser

Any attempt by Gun Grabbers should make all gun owners BAND together and do the following. The more owners the better > Charge Politicians with violating their Oath of Office. Both a State and Federal Felony. > Charge grabbers with Criminal Reckless Endangerment. > Charged grabbers with Attempted Murder. > Charge grabbers with Attempted Genocide. > Charged with willful personal harassment. > Sued for Violating our Constitutional rights. Ask the judge if he owns a gun, if not then he is unqualified to set as JUDGE. Get them into Court then ask the Jury if they own a gun, if… Read more »

Montana454Casull
Montana454Casull
4 months ago

Executive orders are not laws and must be constitutional . If they are not constitutional then it’s our duty to ignore them . Good luck signing those orders and getting Americans to abide by them Joe ! Not going to happen !

Elisa Delaurenti
Elisa Delaurenti
4 months ago

Exactly. Most folks don’t understand that EO’s have no teeth and can not be enforced. Joe Blow and his Ho can pound sand up each other’s manholes.

JSNMGC
JSNMGC
4 months ago

Executive Orders are different from “executive actions.” Executive Orders can simply be reversed by the next President. Executive actions, such as Trump’s “Presidential Memorandum” ordering the BATFE to redefine the meaning of words not only by-pass the legislature but also engage the Administrative State. They are much more difficult to reverse – lawyers get involved and defend the Administrative State.

Knute
Knute
4 months ago

Esp. not going to happen in Montana. Except for maybe the “California Triangle”, of Kalispell-Colombia Falls-Whitefish. And maybe Missoula. Hard to say what all those deluded left-coasters there will do, but whatever it is, it’ll likely be both stupid and unlawful.

Swany
Swany
4 months ago

The problem with confiscation is it takes to long and a hard time getting “law enforcement “ to risk their lives taking guns away. A fast approach is going to get a fight they will have a hard time winning. It will be ugly and bloody on a political and physiological front. They know we will fight. It will look bad to them politically and my opinion is they are not ready to risk it. Be prepared though because they are shady as hell and the shit storm can start anytime. They will continue with the stupid legislative tactics because… Read more »

JSNMGC
JSNMGC
4 months ago
Reply to  Swany

They will be perfectly happy with tens of millions of un-arrested felons. They will arrest and confiscate at their leisure – and only the people they don’t like.

LEO envious of that 16 year old driving a nicer car than he will ever own and the 16 year old does not act subservient when stopped? Look out dad.

Highlight a state legislator’s voting record to the electorate? No knock warrant served on you.

save2A
save2A
4 months ago
Reply to  Swany

Obviously you’ve never been in a firefight. Someone probably should separate you from any firearm. We aren’t living in a movie. I can tell by how you “talk” you’d mess your pants if they came for your gun. You talk “we” but I guarantee they will know who and how many, and if just one shot is fired, no matter by whom, you and all of “we” will perish. Now, back to reality, JSNMGC is correct. They have not got enough courts or prison space for that matter to do anything about tens of millions of newbie felons. Do you… Read more »

cav2108
cav2108
4 months ago
Reply to  save2A

Obviously you’ve never been in a firefight”? Everything depends on how strong your beliefs are, and what you are willing to risk dying over. Having previously “been in anything” might temper those beliefs and willingness, but isn’t necessary to act on them. By your reasoning, you should just roll over for a rape if you have been raped before, or never having been raped before you have no idea how to defend yourself. Does that describe you? Probably.

Oldmarine
Oldmarine
4 months ago
Reply to  cav2108

Save2A is one of those people that rather be on their knees instead of standing up.

Jonesy
Jonesy
4 months ago
Reply to  cav2108

Live Free or Die. Death is not the worst of things.
Gen. John Stark, I believe.

Boom
Boom
4 months ago
Reply to  cav2108

What’s up Battle? I was in the 2-108.

SEMPAI
SEMPAI
4 months ago
Reply to  save2A

I can smell a POG a mile away, usually sporting (grunt style) or ( Punisher ) shirt with a Hillbilly Beard you know him? lots of people served here Mr 2A and if I have to pick one back up the USCCA ain’t going to be able or have the means to represent ANYBODY sooo enjoy your video.

gunnerdd517
gunnerdd517
4 months ago
Reply to  SEMPAI

first fight i was in,i discovered in myself, a determination to end the threat while feeling extreme anger. i survived. reading the comments, im reminded of the battle of Athens,Tenn.. those folks replaced words w/action. lot of wordy words here. thats about it.

Swany
Swany
4 months ago
Reply to  save2A

Quite obviously you know nothing about me. As I know nothing about you other than you judge too quickly.

Swany
Swany
4 months ago
Reply to  save2A

Quickly without getting on a high horse. I’m 56. Lived in Illinois most of my life. Had my FOID card at 19. Father was a police officer. I’m a better marksman than him. I’ll stop there.

JSNMGC
JSNMGC
4 months ago
Reply to  Swany

Most police officers can’t shoot worth a shit. The few that are good will be the first to tell you that most can shoot worth a shit.

Swany
Swany
4 months ago
Reply to  JSNMGC

Agreed

JSNMGC
JSNMGC
4 months ago
Reply to  Swany

Sounds like your father was a good man.

Swany
Swany
4 months ago
Reply to  save2A

Last comment I’ll make. After reading what you said a few more times I have realized that even thought you have pretty much come off as a complete asshole to me , I would still have your back. It’s how I was raised. Stick together with my fellow patriots. Band together with common goals. I can guarantee anyone that knows me would be happy to have me with them in a shit storm. I’m willing to put my life on the line to defend my family and my country …are you? I’ve made peace with my maker and GOD knows… Read more »

gunnerdd517
gunnerdd517
4 months ago
Reply to  Swany

not a problem. ” foreign assets “, well practiced in subjugation of citizens, would be called in and joyfully begin.

Swany
Swany
4 months ago
Reply to  gunnerdd517

The blue hats have been in the back of my mind. If we are on the same page.

Jaque
Jaque
4 months ago

There is an alternative to submission, and court challenges. One example was the Boston Tea Party. It led to the creation of this once great nation. Besides, for a court case there has to be an injured party, which means folks whose arms have already been registered, taxed, confiscated and/or who are rotting in prison after being convicted for posessing a dozen awful 30 rnd magazines or a dangerous AR15. Perhaps millions of them rotting in FEMA camps guarded by PLA soldiers. A Biden Regime presents many dangers for freedom loving American patriots. Open borders, A buddy relationship with Iran… Read more »

YourTruth
YourTruth
4 months ago
Reply to  Jaque

+1

MikeTX
MikeTX
4 months ago

Remember all those Feral judges who blocked Pres. Trump’s Executive Orders? We can have Trump-appointed Feral judges block a presumed Pres. Biden’s Executive Orders, too. See how that works??

musicman44mag
musicman44mag
4 months ago
Reply to  MikeTX

That will only work if we don’t take the high road. Republicans tend to be Christians and always want to do the right thing and support the, two wrongs don’t make a right clause. We really need to break that mold and play dirty just like they do, take pages from their play book and impeach joe kamaltoe the minute he lies taking his oath and says so help me Allah on obummers coran.

JoeUSooner
JoeUSooner
4 months ago
Reply to  musicman44mag

Might never makes right, that is true. But might is always required to enforce right.

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tetejaun
tetejaun
4 months ago

In 2016, 43% of registered Republicans voted. In 2018, 37% of registered Republicans voted. In 2020, it appears about 54% of registered Republicans voted. I guess drinking beer, eating Cheetos and watching bassetball was just TOO IMPORTANT than to vote for Freedom for those 46% Republican Limps. You deserve the communist country the democrats demand. You didn’t canvass votes, you did not go door to door explaining why a Republican U.S. is better than the Marxism democrats demand. How many of you let your kids vote communist democrat without any repercussions? How many of you have kids with rings in… Read more »

JSNMGC
JSNMGC
4 months ago
Reply to  tetejaun

I voted for Trump in 2016 and 2020, but I understand why some Republicans who believe in the 2nd Amendment did not in 2020. In many cases it had nothing to do with apathy. In fact, it was just the opposite – they were pissed. They were highly motivated to not vote for Trump (luckily they did not vote at all). I’ve posted it before, but on 2/28/18 (just over a year after he was elected), Trump advocated for lots of gun control and bragged that he would be much more effective at getting it done than Obama. What did… Read more »

tetejaun
tetejaun
4 months ago
Reply to  JSNMGC

WOW! You really drank the SAF, GOA and CCRKBA Kool Aid. Trump offered NO gun controls. If you are whining about when he said “To heck with the laws, just take the guns”, Feinstein and Schumer were sitting next to him. Had YOU READ HIS BOOK, you would know it is his style, he offers WAY MORE, yet not in contract, just words, and judges their reaction. If you recall, Feinstein had her first orgasm and Schumer had tears in his eyes. Trump ferreted out EXACTLY who they were. Unlike rat Kenyan Obama, Barr is NOT Trump’s personal pit bull.… Read more »

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JSNMGC
JSNMGC
4 months ago
Reply to  tetejaun

You may want to try calming down and get the facts. Have you watched the 2/28/18 bipartisan meeting on “gun violence?” Have you read the White House transcripts of the meeting? Here’s a small excerpt: SENATOR MURPHY: There is no other issue out there in the American public today like background checks. Ninety-seven percent of Americans want universal background checks. In states that have universal background checks, there are 35 percent less gun murders than in states that don’t have them. And yet, we can’t get it done. There’s nothing else like that, where it works, people want it, and we can’t do it. THE… Read more »

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cav2108
cav2108
4 months ago
Reply to  JSNMGC

You don’t really think criminals buy their guns with a background check do you? Are you that stupid? That makes as much sense as saying vehicle thefts are decreased by the requirement to have a driver’s license. And, no, you don’t need a license to BUY a car either, or to operate it on your own property, or to build a car that you operate on your own property, even when you are 8 years old.

JSNMGC
JSNMGC
4 months ago
Reply to  cav2108

cav2108,
Go back and read what I wrote.

Murphy and Trump want universal background checks.

I do not.

JSNMGC
JSNMGC
4 months ago
Reply to  tetejaun

Why do you say:
“Barr is NOT Trump’s personal pit bull” and then go on to say
“Your ignorance of the function of U.S. government and of
things, in general, explains your ignorance.”

You do realize that the BATFE reports to the Deputy Attorney General, who reports to Barr – right? Barr is responsible for the regulations of the BATFE. When Lombardo started her efforts to change the rules on braces, all Barr had to do was pick up the phone. He is directly responsible for that organization.

Oldmarine
Oldmarine
4 months ago
Reply to  JSNMGC

I would love to go to court to enforce ” NO Infringement ”
The easiest thing to enforce by simply asking questions of just what that means.

JSNMGC
JSNMGC
4 months ago
Reply to  Oldmarine

ok

JSNMGC
JSNMGC
4 months ago
Reply to  tetejaun

It’s a bit difficult to understand the points you are making, but do you really believe that when Trump advocated for Red Flag laws, Universal Background checks, raising the age to purchase a rifle, etc., and promised to take care of bump stocks himself, what he was really doing was ferreting out Schumer and Feinstein’s views on gun control? Were you unaware that those two have been quite vocal over the last several decades in their desire for never-ending gun control? He wasn’t ferreting-out anything. Trump was assuming he had the votes of the Pro 2nd Amendment voters and now… Read more »

cav2108
cav2108
4 months ago
Reply to  JSNMGC

“Agreeing to” something is not the same as “advocating for” something. Ask Santa to bring you a dictionary.

JSNMGC
JSNMGC
4 months ago
Reply to  cav2108

It’s not a good idea to advocate for laws that are exactly the opposite of what your base desires.

He was begging for more gun control. Have you watched the meeting?

https://www.c-span.org/video/?441884-1/president-trump-calls-comprehensive-gun-bill

He told the legislators not to be afraid of the NRA – go ahead and pass the bills.

In addition to all the other laws he asked them to put in one bill, they wanted bump stocks banned. He told them not to worry about that – he would take care of it himself and he did.

JSNMGC
JSNMGC
4 months ago
Reply to  cav2108

It’s not a good idea to advocate for laws that are exactly the opposite of what your base wants. Have you watched the meeting? https://www.c-span.org/video/?441884-1/president-trump-calls-comprehensive-gun-bill He was begging for more gun control. He told the legislators not to be afraid of the NRA – to go ahead and pass a bill with numerous gun control laws in it. He told them not to include any pro-gun compromises like national reciprocity on concealed carry because that would cause a fight and the bill wouldn’t pass.  When they asked about bump stocks, he told them to not worry about it – he would take care… Read more »

JSNMGC
JSNMGC
4 months ago
Reply to  tetejaun

tetejaun: Kind of tough to argue, once you actually look at it, isn’t it?

I think a lot of people hear Trump say things like “the Democrats are going to take away your 2nd Amendment rights” and assume Trump is pro 2nd Amendment.

If the Democrats had a majority in the Senate, a comprehensive bill (like Trump was begging for on 2/28/18) would have been created and passed and Trump would have signed it.

JSNMGC
JSNMGC
4 months ago
Reply to  tetejaun

You wrote: “HAD YOU READ HIS BOOK, you would know it is his style, he offers WAY MORE, yet not in contract, just words and judges their reaction.” Yeah, he’s one hell of a negotiator, isn’t he? What did he get us in return for giving up bump stocks? Nothing, other than establishing a precedent for the next president to use the Administrative State to enact more gun control. What did he get for us in return for allowing Lombardo to go forward with more rule changes on her own? Nothing, other than further encouragement. We all know Trump is… Read more »

Oldmarine
Oldmarine
4 months ago
Reply to  JSNMGC

The way I see it is that your opinion has analyzed the information in one of at least four different options.
Easy to find four different people opinion on that.

JSNMGC
JSNMGC
4 months ago
Reply to  Oldmarine

I don’t understand the point you are trying to make.

cav2108
cav2108
4 months ago
Reply to  tetejaun

The problem is that ALL of us will also get what THEY deserve.

Oldmarine
Oldmarine
4 months ago
Reply to  tetejaun

There is a GREAT difference between Republicans with guns and those without guns.
Twins that are nothing alike.
Those with guns stand up for their rights, those without guns really can’t make up their minds.
If this were not true then this would not be a Republic instead of a Democracy.
In a Republic you can defend yourself against the Government and in a Democracy you can not.
The forefathers were very much afraid of a Democracy, to much like a Kings Rule.

JSNMGC
JSNMGC
4 months ago
Reply to  Oldmarine

Many people (Republicans and Democrats) who own guns vote for politicians who pass more gun control laws. Sometimes there is no choice, unfortunately.

JSNMGC
JSNMGC
4 months ago

Trump set the precedent.

The NRA supported the move.

My guess is Biden is going to put a hard core, Anti 2nd Amendment person in charge of the BATFE and have them redefine the meaning of words to implement more gun control because legislation might not make it through the Senate.

“Watch um,” approximately what percent of LEOs do you estimate think like you do (i.e., will enforce new gun laws against people they don’t like)?

Last edited 4 months ago by JSNMGC
tetejaun
tetejaun
4 months ago
Reply to  JSNMGC

So, you believe Trump is anti-gun just like SAF, GOA and CCRKBA claim because the BATF (NOT TRUMP!) banned that plastic toy bump stock? Do you need that toy bump stock so you can play Rambo because you were too cowardly to join the military? Tell us about how you went door to door canvassing votes, or do you actually believe the lies that Trump and the NRA are anti-gun? How easily you are swayed to hate those who actually support our Freedoms. You read the lies from the cheap seats and you BLINDLY believe them. Did you even vote… Read more »

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JSNMGC
JSNMGC
4 months ago
Reply to  tetejaun

tetejuan Wow, just saw this response. You sound very emotional. I don’t hate Trump – I voted for him. I didn’t get my information from SAF, GOA, or CCRKBA. I got my information about Trump from Trump. You make a lot of assumptions. Here’s what I believe: Trump does not have a lifelong foundation of principles relating to the 2nd Amendment. In his book, The America We Deserve, he wrote “I generally oppose gun control, but I support the ban on assault weapons and I also support a slightly longer waiting period to purchase a gun.” Trump pandered to the… Read more »

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Autsin Miller III
Autsin Miller III
4 months ago
Reply to  JSNMGC

Well written and cogent thoughts. It would have been interesting to see how President Trump would have treated the 2A community once he no longer needed us. Since he would have been unable to run for a third term, as soon as he was re-elected we wouldn’t have been as important to him as before. We won’t know of course but if he does run for 2024 I hope we hold him more accountable. Kudos to him for his judicial appointments for sure though.

JSNMGC
JSNMGC
4 months ago

Thanks. Trump has done a lot of great things – judicial appointments (as you mentioned), international trade agreements, international climate negotiations, international military arrangements, eliminating unnecessary regulations, a good start on the tax code, “right to try,” and others. It’s also refreshing to see a Republican stand up to the media and big tech. I was concerned about his second term when it comes to gun control after all the comments he made. Unfortunately, when it comes to firearm rights, we never get to choose between good and bad only bad and worse. I really don’t see that changing. tetonjuan… Read more »

JSNMGC
JSNMGC
4 months ago
Reply to  tetejaun

I don’t have a bump stock, never had a bump stock, I have never seen a bump stock, and I don’t want a bump stock. However, I support the right of others to own them.

Do you believe people that have AR15s are doing so because they want to play Rambo and they are too cowardly to join the military?