The U.S. Federal Government Has Gone Rogue ~ Treason At The Highest Levels

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“All tyrannies rule through fraud and force, but once the fraud is exposed they must rely exclusively on force.” ~ attributed to George Orwell.

The central theme of our multi-series set of articles on “treason,” and the principal focus of our series, is that treason, as defined in the U.S. Constitution, has been operating at the highest levels of the Federal Government since the inception of the Harris-Biden Administration, on January 20, 2021.

Our discussion here is dedicated to laying out a case for the inference of treason in the legal sense of the word, and not in a mere colloquial, hyperbolic, or pejorative sense. This treason exists in and has infected the whole of the present Administration, and this infection extends to Congress.

The Government under the Harris-Biden Administration is rogue and renegade.

Our central thesis is that the extent of and expansiveness of infection is so pervasive [the Swamp], so dominant, so permeates the Administration that an inference of treason by Government against the Nation, Constitution, and People must be drawn.

Corruption of Government extends to the Pelosi-Schumer-controlled Legislative Branch of Government, working in lockstep with the Executive Branch.

Beyond the present policy decisions indicative of treasonous intent on the part of Joe Biden and other known and unknown individuals who control and manipulate him, the Administration intends to corrupt or control or neutralize the Third Branch of Government, the Judiciary.

The Three Branches of Government have, since the creation of the Federal Government, through ratification of the Constitution, operated as discrete independent bodies—Legislative, Executive, Judicial.

Each Branch is expected to perform its tasks within the confines of the limited powers and authority ascribed to it by the dictates of the U.S. Constitution, always operating in and remaining within its own orbit, its own sphere of influence and activity, as each was meant to.

This Governmental construct was meant not to be a stopgap measure for the Federal Government, but a permanent fixture in it.

The doctrines of “Separation of Powers” and “Co-Equal Branches,” that underlie the Federal Government construct for this Nation, were designed to discourage and forestall, if not prevent, the inception of tyranny in the Federal Government.

Having successfully defeated the tyranny of one regime through armed revolt, the framers had no wish to plant the seeds of tyranny for another through the Government they would create that would, ironically, come from their own hand. So, they gave scrupulous attention to the creation of a Government that would have the best chance of avoiding the tyranny that besets a monarchy—even a Constitutional Monarchy—that England ostensibly had. They sought to create a Government for a new Nation that would best secure for themselves, and for their fellow Americans, and for generations that followed, one conceived in liberty!

The Founders determined that a Republican form of Government would best serve the interests of the American people and would be least likely to turn against the people. They constructed a Federal Government that rejected a monopoly of powers in Government.

The first three Articles of the Constitution attest to the Framers’ intention to preclude the consolidation of legislative, executive, and judicial power in one body. And they hoped that clear division of authority and power would also prevent the accumulation of power in two or all three Branches of the Government.

That structure is now crumbling.

Two Branches of Government—one controlled by the Harris-Biden Administration and the other controlled by the Pelosi-Schumer Congress—are overlapping, embracing each other; converging and merging into each other; operating in unison as a single entity.

The intention of both the present Administration and the present Neo-Marxist-led and controlled Congress is to bring the Third Branch of Government, the Judiciary, the U.S. Supreme Court, into their fold.

And their actions to date demonstrate this maneuvering to consolidate power into one super organ of Government.

If this process continues, there is nothing to stop the Government from collapsing in upon itself, centralizing power of the Legislative, Executive, and Judicial Branches in one Branch even if the trappings of separate, co-equal Branches should continue. It would all be an illusion.

The aim of the present Administration and the Democrat Party-controlled Congress in orchestrating consolidation of power is, as is self-evident, to streamline and to steamroller execution of Neo-Marxist and Neoliberal Globalist policies. Thus, the Government avoids debate among the few dissenting voices in Government that would be able to stop the operations of a rogue Government and avoid accountability to the polity that would justifiably object to and reject those policies.

Further consolidation of all the power functions of Government, if left unchecked, would degenerate into Authoritarianism and eventually to outright Totalitarianism. The Federal Government would have long ceased to operate and function in accordance with Republicanism.

At that point even the vestige of a Federal Government ruled by law and not by men would be dropped, as there would no longer be any need for it.

The citizenry would live under perpetual surveillance: thoughts and behavior strictly controlled; dissent denied; the armed citizenry, disarmed.

The Executive and Legislative Branches of Government are being drained of vitality as they lose their respective independence of function.

The Federal Government is coalescing into autocratic rule.

But whatever the form of autocracy—Authoritarianism, Totalitarianism, Fascism—it all denotes TYRANNY. This Country is treading close to that. And we may already be there.

The legacy Press fails to acknowledge this even as the public recognizes it; is forced to come to grips with it; accept the disturbing, frightening reality of it.

Tyranny is rapidly coming to fruition because—

The Harris-Biden Administration and the Pelosi-Schumer-Controlled Congress do not perceive the Constitution as an essential framework within which they are to exercise their respective powers in a lawful manner. Rather, this Government perceives the Constitution merely as an obstacle, an obstacle to be overridden by Congressional statute and/or by Executive fiat, or simply ignored.


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Arizona

“Guard with jealous attention the public liberty. Suspect everyone who approaches that jewel. Unfortunately, nothing will preserve it but downright force. Whenever you give up that force, you are ruined…. The great object is that every man be armed. Everyone who is able might have a gun.” – Patrick Henry, Speech to the Virginia Ratifying Convention, June 5, 1778

Between this and the former quote, we are very clearly instructed as to how we shall act when confronted by tyranny within our government.

CourageousLion

“Whenever the legislators endeavor to take away and destroy the property of the people, or to reduce them to slavery under arbitrary power, they put themselves into a state of war with the people, who are thereupon absolved from any further obedience.” ~ John Locke (1690)

Arizona

@CourageousLion
Locke is one of my favorites. It is embarrassing we do not even have any charismatic statesmen these days. All but 2 or 3 in Congress are criminal scum.

Quatermain

There is a cure: “When in the course of human events…”

Arizona

“If the representatives of the people betray their constituents, there is then no resource left but in the exertion of that original right of self-defense which is paramount to all positive forms of government, and which against the usurpations of the national rulers, may be exerted… The citizens must rush tumultuously to arms, without concert, without system, without resource; except in their courage and despair.”
– Alexander Hamilton, Federalist No. 28

Henry Bowman

Tyranny is here. It is NOT going to go away. You will not wish it away. Only force of arms and violence of action will remove it. Most who own firearms, by way of cognitive dissonance, will refuse to take up arms until it is too late. No one wants to be the poor SOB who gets killed first, so no one’s willing to lead. Militia organizations are too busy squabbling amongst themselves and poaching one another’s members to provide patriots with a well-regulated militia worthy of the name. Everyone says they’re a patriot till it’s time to do patriot… Read more »

Wild Bill

Are you willing to lead? Have you made preparations to support those that would follow you?
Or are you just trying to manipulate someone?

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Henry Bowman

Actually, yes. I don’t blow smoke. I believe that we can still save this country from these radical marxists and globalists.
As for manipulation, I don’t play games, so… No!

Wild Bill

I’m glad to read that you are willing to lead the revolution and have made logistical preparations for your followers. So what preparations have you made? When is first formation?

Henry Bowman

Bahaha!! Like I would say such over unsecured comms!!
Psst… YOU’RE GLOWING!

Russn8r

LOL. Perfectly describes a score of obvious agents & sock pups lurking on ammoland. Seen this?

https://www.revolver.news/2021/10/meet-ray-epps-the-fed-protected-provocateur-who-appears-to-have-led-the-very-first-1-6-attack-on-the-u-s-capitol/

Amazing article. I already thought ATF/FBI was responsible for the Las Vegas massacre. Best case, an incompetent sting gone bad, and coverup, including leaning on their local b!tche$ – I mean “partners” – to pretend it didn’t stink.

Don’t forget FBI had an informant living with the 9/11 terrorists, knew about the “flight lessons”, and did… NOTHING. Ordered at least one concerned agent to stand down. And what did she do? OBEY

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Arizona

First I heard of the FBI having a roomie with the 911 terrorists. Got a link to articles on that which you can share?

Russn8r

Been a decade since I saw it. FBI had a Saudi CI living with them in San Diego as I recall…Searching Metager w/keywords: fbi 9/11 confidential informant saudi san diego…OK, lots of stuff. E.g.

The Informant Who Lived With The Hijackers
https://www.newsweek.com/exclusive-informant-who-lived-hijackers-144439

Pretty sure it was in the 9/11 Whitewash Commission Report. Of course the Global W Bush/Cheney admn’s huge multipurpose smokescreens exploited the carnage & deflected attn from their own gross dereliction & subversion that made 9/11 possible in the first place (preemptive quagmires in Afghan-Iraq, “Patriot” Acts, “Homeland Security”, TSA etc).

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Russn8r

Check it out, 4 instant FBI downvotes.

Wild Bill

It is probably just the four last people that still read your scornful and abusive writing.

Russn8r

“Duh HUH!” – WillTEX/FordWill/Oldman

Russn8r

Right, unlike Will’s foul mouth abuse, which you have no problem with.

Henry Bowman

Don’t forget the Clintons, who had a chance to take down Osama Bin Laden and passed on that. They (and the FBI) were too busy trying to go after patriots – and militia guys in particular.

We see this no matter who’s running the country; focusing on law-abiding patriots while ignoring islamic threats foreign and domestic!

Arizona

@Russn8r
Thanks. Never saw that info back then. What utterly incompetent fools we have working in the US “intelligence” agencies! Good enough for government work, indeed. Not good enough by half for the private sector,

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Russn8r

P.S. You’re welcome.

Henry Bowman

Yep, I know who Ray Epps is. I see memes about him constantly, on Gab.com (a true free-speech social media!)

Russn8r

Calling Ray Epps. Calling Ray Epps.

Long line of enforcer-apologist provocateurs lurking on ammoland with cute sock-puppet legends. Easily triggered by names like Daniel Shaver, Vicki Weaver, Tony Timpa & Don Scott, by principles like jury power & accountability for enforcing unconstitutional, unconscionable orders.

https://www.revolver.news/2021/10/meet-ray-epps-the-fed-protected-provocateur-who-appears-to-have-led-the-very-first-1-6-attack-on-the-u-s-capitol/

Henry Bowman

I call out WB and instantly get at least 2 (sockpuppet) downvotes. How about that.

Henry Bowman

Whatsa matter, WB?? Butthurt much?

Wild Bill

Geez@ This is the first that I have seen of it. I had winter prep work to do!
What is it that you want to know? How to hold a first formation? Just walk out in front of your milling around troops and Yell: FALL IN!

Russn8r

Agt WillTEX/Oldman/FordWill’s upping WB’s legend below. Soon WB will be yapping about his wife, his car, the bull he’s milking, anything except
SAY THEIR NAMES.

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Wild Bill

Vicki Weaver … murdered by FBI agent Ron Horuchi … on orders from his superiors… the prosecution case was removed to Fed Ct… where it was dismissed.
Just saying her name does little good.

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Russn8r

“Bro”? Drop the bong.

Russn8r

That’s right, it does little good when you make excuses for Horiuchi (Just Following Orders) and won’t say the names of those murdered by local enforcers.

Russn8r

Good afternoon, Agent.

Wild Bill

Cut and stacked, baby! If the government cuts off heating fuels, we will have one cold day’s worth. Good exercise, too!

john

Your statement is correct the media will show that those who resisted portrayed to their grandchildren as DOA. Those with the will to continue will be bombarded with propaganda. Those who have been educated over the last 4 decades will follow like sheep into the world of socialism that they have been taught is better. They will wake to marxism wondering what to do and how it all happened. Yes there will be many who stand tall with hopes of more to follow we are along way from that event as only the democrats pledge violence to those that they… Read more »

Henry Bowman

100% agree!!

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Henry Bowman

Bahahahahaha!!! Triggered a snowflake!! FEEL THE HEAT!

Russn8r

Did Agent WillTEX delete and RUN AWAY again?

Henry Bowman

Yep! what a chickensh!t

RK-ARBALEST QUARREL

Henry Bowman, thank you for your remarks. Tyranny is here in the United States. You are saying it; we have said it; and many Americans know this to be so. There is no doubt the present Harris-Biden Administration and the Pelosi-Schumer-led Congress are corrupt, compromised, and tyrannic. Our sacred Right to Keep and Bear arms WAS and IS MEANT TO protect the security of a Free State from dangers emanating outside the Nation AND to protect the security of a Free State from threats emanating from within, as well, i.e., through the insinuation of tyranny in the Federal Government, directed… Read more »

Henry Bowman

Agreed, but the answer is not to do nothing. I know that feds regularly comb the comments section looking for “low-hanging fruit” so they can pad their arrest quota. But we all know that the ‘Tree’ is incredibly thirsty and long overdue for a very torrential watering. We cannot fear the reprisal of tyrants and their Jack-Booted Thugs. If we cower for fear of reprisal and adverse propaganda, then the tyrants win. More people are aware of what’s REALLY going on than you know, and they see for themselves that if we wait much longer, our Republic (which is already… Read more »

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Wild Bill

Doing nothing is one end of the spectrum. Armed revolt against the various governments (all at the same time) is the other end of the spectrum. Since you will not declare violent armed revolt and take the leadership roll, yourself … then what is the plan?

Russn8r

Will you SAY THE NAMES of people murdered with impunity by enforcers, people like Daniel Shaver, Vicki Weaver, Tony Timpa, Donald Scott, the Branch Davidians, Ashli Babbitt? If not, why not?

Wild Bill

What the hell does just saying someone’s name do? Armed rebellion, capturing betrayers, executing marxists deepstaters would do some good. But who will lead the rebellion? You, Russ? You, Henry?
The first one to assume the leadership roll will be in the US Marshalls lock up in four hours or less.
I have a better idea. Lets think up some new, ingenious, and legal ways to resist!

Russn8r

Point is, Agents & Enforcers won’t even SAY THE NAMES of their victims let alone agree to be accountable for Just Following Orders, enforcing unconstitutional-unconscionable laws & decrees, flat out murdering folks like Daniel Shaver.

“Qualified” Immunity. “N-word, please!”

Your hypocrisy is transparent.

Whine to mommy about me playing rough, pretend you can’t see WillTEX’s foul-mouth thug posts next to yours, even replying to yours. Claim you want ingenious legal ways to resist, while downvoting posts on Jury Power. Dv posts about abuse & murder by enforcer. Who do you think you’re kidding, pretending you’re on our side?

Wild Bill

You think that Agents and Enforcers, whomever they might be, won’t say the names of their victims? That is just silly. Did you get that by interviewing them?
Do you also believe that vampires can not see themselves in a mirror?

Your entire post is replete with erroneous assumptions.

Russn8r

You’re the Only ‘Only One’ here who ever said a name, but you made excuses for the Enforcer.

Who do you think you’re kidding, Agent?

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Wild Bill

My concise, diplomatic, and clean reply is awaiting approval. It will probably take until no one can remember what the thread was about.
Thanks ammoland

Russn8r

Thanks, Agent.

Henry Bowman

Hey there glowboy… Did you miss the memo? I do not discuss plans etc. over open comms. You will not bait me. You can GTFO now.
And IDGAF if your 3 or 4 sockpuppets downvote me and Russn8r. Grow a brain and grow up!

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Wild Bill

I think that you have no plans, nor the military experience to make ware fighting plans. I think that you lack the financial means to support Evan a small military unit.
I think that all you can afford is to manipulate some foolish person into doing what you want.

Russn8r

You’re making too many assumptions there, Agent.

Wild Bill

Really? Fill in the blanks, then!

Russn8r

Up above you whine about my assumptions, then you make a bunch. That’s the issue here, Agent.

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Wild Bill

If you can make assumptions, then I can make assumptions. In fact, I bet lots of readers have read your words and made assumptions about you.

Russn8r

Then stop the hypocritical crying about assumptions & insults. The coy good-cop bad-cop act with your pet chimp WillTEX is transparent.

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Henry Bowman

Dude, you’re the one glowposting and trying to manipulate, and that is why I will not engage with you again. ‘You are dead to me’
Bye, Felicia

Finnky

Is that a picture of Swalwell’s favorite violence prevention approach?
Kill them all preemptively so that none may engage in violence. Peace through death.

Russn8r

Sounds like Islam, “Peace through submission”

Henry Bowman

Yeah, that’s Swalwell, and he will never get my guns.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SRr5ur5oCZw

Quatermain

Note at what point the Mel Gibson character started his “patriot shit”.

Henry Bowman

Yeah, there’s a lesson to be learned there.

Arizona

All too often in history, people did not employ physical violence soon enough in their own defense. Standing at the edge of the pit, disarmed and weak from malnourishment is far too late. While being herded onto train cars, disarmed and surrounded by brownshirts is too late. Alone, as a dozen door kickers flood your home is too late. The time to fight back and defend liberty is before you lose all chance of successfully defending yourself. That’s the time, before the tyrants are too strong to beat, yet that is when all others will question your judgement, saying it… Read more »

Henry Bowman

That’s exactly where I was going with this! Thanks. This reminds me of what Winston Churchill said; “If you will not fight for right when you can easily win without blood shed; if you will not fight when your victory is sure and not too costly; you may come to the moment when you will have to fight with all the odds against you and only a precarious chance of survival. There may even be a worse case. You may have to fight when there is no hope of victory, because it is better to perish than to live as… Read more »

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I Haz A Question

“The doctrines of ‘Separation of Powers’ and ‘Co-Equal Branches,’ that underlie the Federal Government construct for this Nation, were designed to discourage and forestall, if not prevent, the inception of tyranny in the Federal Government.” I must firmly disagree with the oft-misused belief that the three branches are co-equal. They are not, and were never designed to be. In fact, the Judicial branch was intended to be the least of the three, in order to keep the possibility of judicial tyranny in check. For the first century and a half of this nation’s history, SCOTUS met within the Congressional Capitol… Read more »

RK-ARBALEST QUARREL

Thank you for your remarks. You assert, “I must firmly disagree with the oft-misused belief that the three branches are co-equal. They are not, and were never designed to be. In fact, the Judicial branch was intended to be the least of the three, in order to keep the possibility of judicial tyranny in check. For the first century and a half of this nation’s history, SCOTUS met within the Congressional Capitol building, and didn’t even have its own building until 1935.” With all due respect, your essential assertion, a presupposition, that the Three Branches of Government are not co-equal,… Read more »

Cruiser

We do have two Governments, the one you see operating in plane view which we see on the MSM & C-span, and the one actually running the country, a “Shadow Government” run by Globalists.
Rest assured, we have a militia, it may not be well regulated at this time, but when the time comes, the Patriots will step forward and defend the Republic. The majority of Veterans as well as current Service members will keep their oath.

CourageousLion

I’m holding my breath. If we haven’t had the militias back in force and effect since 1905 with all the crap in between then and now, you are hoping for something that just isn’t happening. Sure we have a bunch of candidates for militia members, but there is no organization and their is no regulation. Without the leaders of the “states” getting off their duffs and getting one going, good luck. I understand that Texas is the only state that actually has a state militia that isn’t part of the unconstitutional standing army.

USMC0351Grunt

Texas has what is called the Texas State Guard. Even with their structure they are usually restrain to only administrative and medical duties to avoid any liabilities.

Tank

And that’s why the unconstitutional invasion of privacy & NDAA/Patriot Acts were all implemented. Digital tracking of our thoughts – comments & cell phones have been weaponized as sophisticated tracking devices & data collection of our habits.

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Tank

Shadow Government aka Deep State are is the Masonic COG (Continuity of Government) put in by Ziggy Brzezinski in 1979 under Carter as the “ SES” Senior Executive Service the Keystone. Also known as the Hidden Hand. It’s open source info & can be easily researched & found to verify.

john

You can not defend against treason in our current political arena in case you have not been keeping up with the all the players elected in Washington no one gets to go to jail. They form committee after committee hold useless hearings lay blame using taxpayer money to protect each other. They are using the left for political gain and propaganda as they own the media the news slants there way. They have and who are they? let’s give them a name Gobalest the very folks that have bought you climate change authors of the Great Reset.org. They fund world… Read more »

CourageousLion

The world is being run by PSYCHOPATHIC CONTROL FREAKS.

Wild Bill

Yeah, we sent all our idiots to Washington so that we did not have to be around them… maybe … we should not have done that.

Tank

100% true.

“Only the Madman is absolutely sure.”
Robert Anton Wilson (The Illuminatus)

It’s
One big club & We (the People) ain’t in it.
George Carlin

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Russn8r

How about treasonous enforcers who OBEY & ENFORCE unconscionable, unconstitutional laws and orders, who can’t say the names of their victims — such as Daniel Shaver, Tony Timpa, Donald Scott, Vicki & Sammy Weaver, and the Branch Davidians — who get triggered by the principle of jury power, who lurk on gun sites pretending to be our pals?

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CourageousLion

It is those among us who are willing to ENFORCE the insane edicts of the control freaks who really ARE the issue. If they wouldn’t enforce the will of the psychopaths, the psychopaths would have to privatize and be like Ted Bundy. Their edicts would be nothing but ink.

willyd

If it was a Republican he would have been hung already, BUT NOT JOEY BIBEN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Stag

This whole “rogue” thing is ridiculous. Government is doing exactly what it always has which is control people. The only difference is to what degree.

Arizona

Those cowards would never be so bold as to officially declare war on citizens… But they have already met Locke’s assessment, putting themselves in a state of war with us by seizing property and violating liberty. They are about to do it again with 10-40 million brace owners, not to mention homemade firearms. By their actions they lose the right to govern and we have no duty to obey or treat with them as if they have any authority over us.
@wjd

@CourageousLion

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Tank

100% spot on. They do everything based on our consent. Or what the We the People allow them to get away with. Silence is consent. I think your right in what you wrote above. Braces & 80% kits will be the targets & agenda. We have to hold the line, not comply & give consent. Whether it’s legit or not they lie, cheat, steal in their rigged paradigm system. Rape, Pillage Plunder resources for greed & power. They have been stealing elections & stacking the political decks for centuries. It he who counts the votes as Stalin already revealed. FDR… Read more »

Rodoeo

These ‘progressive’s’ will have to suck it up. I know they hate it and would love to abolish it.. I mean it’s so old and everything old sucks so much.

This country abides by the constitution.

USMC0351Grunt

The mass majority of We the people are ignorant of the Constitution and our responsibility and duties as citizens to maintain it. If the country abided by the Constitution we would not have 9/10 of the problems that we have. The only 1/10 of the Constitution that is being abided by is that real estate indicated as the 10 square mile area called District of Columbia.

Tackleberry

And yet that 10 Square mile isn’t square and hasn’t been since 1860. With Virginia’s secession, it reclaimed all of its lands up to the Potomac.

So your 1/10 is much smaller, or did I miss a bit of sarcasm there?

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Tank

And the ruling EL-it’s always throughout twistory use Liberals- Progressives as Canon Fodder to seize rights-
Liberties.Whether is was The Bolshevik’s usurping Czar Nicholas Romanov or French Revolution you will find Progressives – Liberals underneath it all used as the catalyst starting Prairie Fires & Canon Fodder.

Farmer

The answer was given to us by the founders… Convention of States. Article 5 of the US Constitution.

Wild Bill

The States only vote to have a convention. If there were a convention, the Senate would be in charge of the issues and the voting. Would you trust the BOR to a modern Senate?

Russn8r

Bzzz. Agent who cries about assumptions fabs lots of ’em. The Constitution says ZIP about the senate running a COS; nor is it implied. That’d be arrogated power. Might get away with it, might not.

Still, COS is a stupid idea. There’s no constitutional limitation or “pre-pack” option. I don’t even trust state legislators to pick delegates & stick to the Mark Levin script, let alone Senators or “Reps”. Either way bet on a runaway convention.

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Wild Bill

A new reader makes a comment and you slap him in the face right away. His idea is not stupid. He is merely misinformed about how a constitutional convention would work.

Finnky

@WB – I read it as him trying to slap you in the face rather than @Farmer. Not much improvement, but you at least know what how @Russn8r writes and likely shrug him off.

Russn8r

Nice try, Agent. Farmer’s post wasn’t stupid. Yours was. You’re the one who slapped him. You’re the one misinformed about COS. He repeated a bad idea, but it’s not his idea. I slapped the idea, not him, and replied to you, not him.

Wild Bill

Farmer suggested a convention of the states. You wrote, “Still, COS is a stupid idea.”
Pretty clear insult to Farmer and Framer, alike.

JSNMGC

Wild Bill, you are hyper-sensitive to perceived insults between certain people and you ignore blatant insults between others.

It’s interesting to watch.

Wild Bill

I guess that we all call ’em as we see ’em.

Russn8r

Still weaseling, Agent. COS is not his idea. YOUR assumption, however, IS stupid: You claimed the senate runs COS. Now you’re deflecting.

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Wild Bill

The state legislatures applyl for an Article V convention. Congress calls the convention. Sounds like Congress is the host. Many Constitutional scholars (e.g. Michael S. Paulson, Robert G. Natelson, and Michael Rapaport) believe that “The Congress, … on the application of the legislatures of two thirds of the several states, shall call a convention etc, etc” means that Congress is in charge of the convention to propose amendments. Looks to me like Congress calls the tune after the state legislatures have done their part. Finally, the three quarters of the various state legislatures get the final say on amendments by… Read more »

Russn8r

“Many Constitutional scholars believe that…looks to me like…”

BS handwaving. Ain’t in the Constitution. OTHER constitutional scholars dispute. Art 5 Doesn’t say congress runs it. All it says is congress calls it.

Wild Bill

The state legislatures clearly only vote for an Article V convention and clearly only ratify amendments afterword.
The only other entity mentioned is Congress. Thus knowledgable people believe that “The Congress … shall call a convention … ” means that Congress will conduct the convention, decide the issues, and control the agenda.”

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JSNMGC

Will – 11/4/21

“Bill,do you remember 17 days ago when this mealy-mouthed little bitch told you to kiss his ass? Now the little girl is utilizing its very select memory and acting like some do-gooder.”

Reply to Will (“TEX”):

I believe I told Wild Bill to stick his reprimand up his ass.

Roland gave me a small jab and I gave him a small one back. Wild Bill stepped in and attempted to reprimand me. Finnky tried to pile on by saying it was “well-deserved.”

You talk big on the internet Will (“TEX”).

Russn8r

Wild Bill is a very coy Agent. He will never pretend to be offended by his alter-ego WillTEX’s S-mouth thug posts. He will continue to pretend he never sees them.

JSNMGC

Eh, it’s just interesting. Another poster once wrote about Wild Bill being some kind of protector for Will going way back.

Roland and I get along fine – we’ve traded some minor elbows from time to time. It’s no big deal. He is one of the few ex-LEOs who will state a certain percentage of them do bad things and they have a general inclination to “follow orders,” even when they shouldn’t.

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Russn8r

Is WB WillTex’s “handler”? Monkey grinder?

JSNMGC

I think he just feels sorry for Will.

Wild Bill

I like Will. He is genuine.

Russn8r

Monkey grinder speaks.

Wild Bill

You are probably right, but I am too busy to remember it.

CourageousLion

Just like the fixing of the Articles of Confederation took on a new life.

Wild Bill

Although they went beyond their authority to fix the Articles of Confederation, by writing a Constitution, that new Constitution was ratified by the states that existed at that time. But I know what you mean.

Russn8r

And you still think the US Senate runs a COS.

Wild Bill

Participation by the state legislatures is clearly limited, by Article V, to application for a convention and ratification of amendments, afterward. Article V gives the state legislatures no other roll.

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Russn8r

Where does the Constitution give the Senate a “roll”, per your claim, Agent?

Wild Bill

I wrote Senate, I meant Congress. My bad.

Russn8r

Still not there.

Wild Bill

Actually Article V of the Constitution says a lot about a convention to propose amendments, but it begins with the very first two words, and gets obscured with clauses thereafter.

The way that Madisen, Mason, and Hamilton wrote back then make it difficult for modern readers. See also Federalist 85

Constitutional scholars and certainly Congress have historically
understood that Congress’ authority to call a convention, under Article V, is a broad mandate to establish procedures and limits, or lack of limits, for such a convention.

Russn8r

“Certainly.” “Modern scholars.”

Wild Bill

Madisen, Hamilton, and Mason, too.

Farmer

Wow…and I was just hoping to introduce the idea of a COS. Just look at all the free press it has garnered. Some of it wrong, but it’s free!

Arizona

Having met and worked with a number of senators and reps, I wouldn’t trust a single one to do me the simplest of favors. They lie and perform theater for a living, and will sell out to the highest bidder, sans morals or conscience.

Wild Bill

Nor would I.

Farmer

Perhaps a little more study on your part. You are misinforming the readers. Or perhaps, by design, you wish the status quo to remain.

Wild Bill

I don’t think that I am misinforming anyone. With what do you disagree?

Farmer

Read how a COS works first, then we can discuss.

Wild Bill

There is no guidance in Article V about how an Article V convention would work. All that we know is that two thirds of the state legislatures can call for a national convention for the purpose of proposing amendments or an amendment to the Constitution. What must a call by the state legislature consist of? Who gets to say? Is there a time limit on calls for an Article V convention? So who gets to count the number of calls by state legislatures? Congress does. (Congress has ignored every state legislature call for an Article V convention thus far made.)… Read more »

Russn8r

Bzzzz. The Constitution does not say:

“the Senate would be in charge of issues & voting” -WB

“Congress counts the calls by state legislatures” -WB

“States only vote to have a convention” -WB

Keep dancing, Agent.

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Wild Bill

The books and articles that I relied on for the answer to Farmer are: “Constitutional Interpretation” by Craig Ducat and Harold Chase; “The Living Constitution” by J. Lieberman; “The Heritage Guide to the Constitution” by David Forte and Matthew Spalding; and “The U.S. Constitution, Explained Clause by Clause For Every American Today, by Ray Raphael;articles by Michael Paulson, Robert Natelson, and M. Rapaport; the Federalist 43 and 85; and comments by Hamilton, Madisen, and Mason.

Russn8r

I upvoted you even though CoS is risky for the reasons I stated. The DVs are WB & his Enforcer/Agent pals & sock pups. He is indeed misinforming on CoS. The Constitution neither says nor implies that the senate runs it. States will select delegates that need not be senators. The senate may try to take it over, may even succeed given that all but 2 SupCt “Justices” voted for the 2020 coup d’etat, but that’d be extra-constitutional.

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Wild Bill

Congress, not Senate.

Russn8r

Nice try. Not congress either.

Wild Bill

Ooops, I wrote Senate, but I meant Congress. My bad

Jrod

Remember that there was a time in history during the 1700’s, when the Democrats and Republicans were one entity against the federalist. They pushed the feds to the side and pubs and dems then split in 1824. They have been playing us like a harp ever since. Notice that when a member quits their party, they go to join the other. Rarely, do they join a completely different party say, the green or libertarian. They’ve been in bed with each other forever but behave as mortal enemies to throw off the scent. Look it up folks. We’ve been had!

CourageousLion

That is why I post this quite regularly. And I know it is a bit of a read but it is WHY we are in the predicament we are in right now. There is a reason that “they” don’t listen to the people anymore. There is a reason they ignore the provisions of the 2nd amendment. The reason is that the lynch pins to the Constitution were removed in 1903 & 1913. In 1903 the blatantly UNconstitional Dick Act, which was a blatant act of TREASON, eviscerated states rights with the ending of STATE militias. Those first 13 words of the… Read more »

Arizona

This gets added to the list of abuses we have suffered. Americans are largely ignorant of the 1913 treason, our monetary system, fractional banking and how inflation is tax by another name. Not enough space to get into militia.

Tank

100% true.

Tank

Spot on & 100% true.

Qui Bono?

Hyperbole, paranoia, and deliberate disinformation. You’re encouraging the demonization of fellow citizens with different views, and inciting calls for violence against elected officials?!? “…get a rope!” THAT’s Treason. Enough BS already! This is NOT the American Way. This is Fascism in disguise.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CpCKkWMbmXU

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CpCKkWMbmXU

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AYkhlXronNk

And, no, I don’t expect to change many minds, but it would be irresponsible not to try…

Tank

Since 9-11. The towers were symbolic representations of Masonic Pillars of Neo-Roman Empire being destroyed. Just incrementally getting worst & more obvious.

Russn8r

…get a rope! TEX”
-“Will”

Seems you forgot which sock puppet you were using again, Agent.

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