Does 40S&W Really Suck?

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U.S.A.-(AmmoLand.com)- For a brief time, .40S&W was quite possibly the most popular service caliber in the United States. Legions of law enforcement agencies chose it for their duty guns, and the civilian market followed suit. Even today, certain demographics still fawn over the forty. However, times are changing. In the early 2010’s the FBI began returning to the 9mm they’d abandoned less than two decades prior, with many others in law enforcement and the citizen world following suit. With this in mind, are there reasons why someone would choose a handgun chambered for .40S&W as their primary pistol in 2022? Let’s find out.

Shortcomings of 40S&W

Slightly More Expensive

The price difference between 9mm and .40S&W has typically been minor over the past several years. However, there has consistently been a difference, with 9mm usually being on the less expensive end of the spectrum. As of the time of this writing, .40S&W retails online for roughly $0.03-0.06 more per round than comparable practice loads of 9mm for cases of 1,000 rounds. This results in roughly $30-60 more per case when shooting .40S&W. Duty ammunition, seems to be roughly equivalent in price between the two, though 9mm enjoys far more availability and a wider variety of options than its bigger brother.

 

These differences in price are fairly minimal but can add up over time. I don’t think a few extra pennies here and there will break most people’s banks, but as belts continue to tighten, the extra expense could prove detrimental for many shooters.

More Difficult to Shoot

One of the biggest issues people have with .40S&W is increased recoil compared to 9mm. As a young shooter with a Glock 23, I had a hell of a time getting used to the sharp snap from the plastic fantastic compared to the mild puff from the Beretta M9 I’d traded away. One of the primary reasons cited by the FBI in their shift away from .40S&W is due to the relatively harsh recoil, contributing to reduced accuracy among their agents. Wanting to quantify this difference, I headed to the range to see how they compared for myself.

Range Time

To get as equal comparison as possible with the equipment available to me, I opted to shoot a Glock 34 in 9mm and a Glock 22 in .40S&W. While the G34 does have a longer sight radius, the difference is fairly negligible in my experience. Both guns were 4th generation Glocks outfitted with factory iron sights, with no modifications.

As expected, my performance was better with the 9mm pistol. However, the differences were far less substantial than I imagined I would see. I fired several drills with both pistols, giving each three repetitions per drill to get an average of performance. To ensure .40S&W had a fair chance, I shot the drills cold to avoid any differences in my shooting.

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I shot some drills to compare performance between 9mm and 40S&W

To top things off, the G22 was significantly more pleasant to shoot than I prepared myself for. This was honestly a shock for me, as my prior experiences with most .40S&W pistols has been very negative in terms of shootability. This of course can be impacted by ammunition selection, and is highly subjective in the first place. That being said, numbers don’t lie. While the differences are fairly minor, there is a distinct degradation of performance when moving from 9mm to .40S&W. Even with this degradation, I wouldn’t feel significantly disadvantaged with of forty in my waistband.

Increased Parts Wear

This is something that the vast majority of shooters will never have to worry about. That being said, it is something to consider for even mildly serious shooters, those buying used firearms, or people looking to adopt firearms for their agency/organization/whatever. Thanks to the increased pressures associated with .40S&W, users will see increased parts wear compared to 9mm and .45ACP service pistols. But don’t take my word for it.

The Glock 34 Gen 5 field stripped.

Recently Greg Ellifritz, of Active Response Training, spoke to common parts breakage on Glock handguns and how to properly maintain them. With experience maintaining the pistols for his agency, and as a national level trainer, Greg has a lot of insight into the subject. Due to this, I asked for his input regarding the differences in parts life between 9mm and .40S&W pistols. Here’s what he had to say:

“My department issued 9mm, .40, and .45 Glocks. I worked on all of them. The .40s would have parts break at 2-3x the rate of 9s and .45s. I think the overall service life is probably pretty equal but you are going to have to do more work to keep the .40s going.”

To add to this, I spoke with Reid Henrichs of Valor Ridge. Reid was the first national-level instructor I trained with back in the fall of 2017. During the course of training, he spoke to the shorter service life of .40S&W handguns compared to their 9mm counterparts. Recently I reached out to Reid for his updated take on the subject. Here’s what he had to say:

“I have seen about 6 pistols blow up on the range, all of them .40 S&W.  Some were using reloads but some were not.  I have never seen a 9mm blow up. In terms of service life of a pistol, the 9mm Glocks have about a 4-5X longer life than the .40.  You will get about 30-50k rounds from a G22/23 and easily 100k+from a G17/19.  The parts that break are the slide and frame.  Small cracks become big ones. In terms of maintenance, they are equal as you need to replace the recoil springs every 5k rounds.  Other springs should be replaced annually. My range gun, a gen 3 G19 has 120K through it right now and is still going strong.”

No Additional Stopping Power

“Stopping power” is difficult to quantify. We can use ballistics gelatin tests to measure expansion, penetration, and more, but those aren’t a 1:1 comparison of performance against a living threat. We can spend days cherry-picking examples of X round performing perfectly or Y round underperforming. This goes for caliber debates, preferred defensive loads, and even different bullet weights within the same caliber and brand. What truly matters here is good shot placement with a quality round.

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Veterans of the 2004 SHOT Show or serious H&K nerds will get this reference.

We’re not here to focus on anatomy today, so we’ll instead discuss what advantages, if any, .40S&W holds of 9mm in the realm of “stopping power”. Turns out the differences between most service calibers are negligible. Whether you’re shooting a 9, 40, or 45, penetration and even expansion are often comparable with quality defensive ammunition. Several studies have been conducted on this, such as those from Doctor Gary Roberts, Greg Ellifritz, and others. If that’s not enough, the FBI speaks in detail about the myth of stopping power, or any perceived benefits of larger calibers in their whitepaper explaining their switch back to 9mm for service pistols. With several leading experts in the industry all coming to the same independent conclusions, this may be a clue.

Of course this means that .40S&W is perfectly adequate for personal protection. Nobody is arguing that point. But is the juice worth the squeeze when the results are the same at the cost of the other issues mentioned above? Is seems like most people are saying no.

Benefits of 40S&W

If you’ve made it this far, you’re probably thinking that I hate .40S&W. If you asked me a few months ago, the answer would’ve been yes. That being said, I’m not as opposed to it now as I was in the past. There certainly are some benefits to the round. What are they?

Competitive Edge

Some competitive shooting bodies offer different divisions for different calibers, typically based off of Power Factor. In simple terms, Power Factor is bullet weight multiplied by velocity measured in feet per second. Theoretically, a higher power factor means higher recoil. Baselines are established for different power factors, ensuring that shooters don’t load severely underpowered ammunition for an unfair advantage.

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USPSA/IPSC scoring zones for Major and Minor power factor. Circa the September 2021 USPSA rule book

USPSA has two Power Factors, Major and Minor, with Major offering more points for hits outside the A-Zone of the target. This leads many shooters to choose Major, allowing for a little more grace for thrown shots. An easy way to make Major Power Factor is to use heavier bullets, which is often thought to produce lower recoil than choosing higher velocity rounds. A bigger bullet is easier to make heavier. As such, we see .40S&W dominate Limited division in USPSA, allowing for Major, while also providing improved capacity over something like a .45ACP.

Caliber Conversions

Some guns allow you to swap a few parts and convert them into other calibers. My Glock 31, for example, can be easily converted to shoot .40S&W, and 9×19  while still using the same holsters. Often times people tout this as a selling point for guns chambered in .40S&W, as most are readily convertible to 9mm.

However, this is far less common in reality than in theory, and the costs quickly rise. Replacement barrels, sometimes replacement recoil springs, extractors and more, plus the time to swap everything. Zeroing your sights for your new ammunition, ensuring you’re not confusing magazines and ammunition. All of these factors add up to time and money that could potentially be better served elsewhere.

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9×19, .357SIG, .40S&W and more can be fired out of the same gun after swapping a few parts

However, I don’t think this is a lost cause. Caliber conversions are helpful in places where the number of guns you can own are limited. It can also be helpful if you use calibers that require fewer parts to be swapped, such as .357SIG  to .40S&W. Guns milled for optics can also benefit from caliber conversion, saving the user time and money, not having to send another slide off for weeks to months to get custom milled.

The Used Market

As more law enforcement agencies and private citizens dump their .40S&W guns, the market gets more favorable for those looking to gobble up these trade-ins. One department near me actually switched from 9mm to .40S&W within the past few years, buying guns and ammunition for pennies on the dollar. It was savings like this which led my family to jumping on the .40S&W bandwagon back in 2012. This is one of the more valid reasons I see for going the forty route in 2022, though it is temporary at best.

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While not much cheaper, my local shops do sell used .40S&W guns for less than their 9mm counterparts

Unfortunately, a lot of these were bought up during the initial panic of 2020, when thousands of people decided it was time to buy a gun. That being said, you’ll still occasionally come across new trade-ins from time to time. Most people don’t shoot their guns that much, so snagging a gently used .40S&W will likely serve you well for a long time.

Final Thoughts on 40S&W

With modern bullet technology there is not much reason to choose .40S&W over a modern 9mm load. While it certainly performs admirably, and is widely available, it’s just not ideal in 2022. Maybe one day we’ll see a renaissance in bullet technology like we’ve seen with 9mm in the past few years, rocketing .40S&W back to the top of the game. Think about the pros and cons listed above, and decide what is right for you.

Author’s Note: Thanks to Greg Ellifritz and Reid Henrichs for their insight and support with this piece. Give them some love and support.


About Dan Reedy

Dan is an Air Force veteran, avid shooter, and dog dad. With a passion for teaching, he holds instructor certifications from Rangemaster, Agile Training & Consulting, and the NRA. He has trained with Darryl Bolke, Mike Pannone, Craig Douglas, among several other instructors, amassing over 400 hours of professional instruction thus far. In his spare time you’ll find him teaching handgun, shotgun, and less lethal classes.

Dan’s work has been published by Primer Peak, and The Kommando Blog, and he has been featured as a guest on Primary & Secondary.Dan Reedy headshot

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Boom

Uh. No. The FBI discontinued using it due to the poor performance of their FEMALE agents while using it. People that probably shouldn’t be agents in the first place…mainly due to extremely poor upper body strength (specifically hand & arm strength), problems making fast, complex decisions under high pressure, lack of logical thought, and the permeating virus of emotional context in everything they do….and not to mention all the other wonderfully useful things they bring to the table.

…jus saying.

Wild Bill

Someone had to say it! Welcome to the site.

Pioneer

I don’t own a Glock. They just don’t fit me. As a (retired) police officer I used a S&W 4006 in 1994 to defend my life and that of my partner, with terminal ballistics and ammo (Win silver tips) as advertised. I’m thoroughly pleased with the two .40’s that I own. Springfield XDm and S&W 4006.

Do they have heavy recoil? Yup; physics.
Are they heavy? Yup, get over it.
Do they work? Yes they do.

Wild Bill

I like the .40 also. I have an HK USP LEM and a Smith and Wesson M&P 40 from the performance center.

Jaque

This article is BS. The only thing that matters is the end effect. Did my my shot neutralize the threat. Square range competions against static targets of paper are not valid representations of what happens in a gunfight. Being an ace target shooter does not make one the winner in a gunfight. The .40 vs the .45 vs 9mm vs the .32 vs the .22 matter only if the shot incapacitates the target. The bigger the hole gives the bigger chance of bleedout and the greater probability the target goes down. The FBI lost its focus long ago as it… Read more »

Rob

Yet another story looking for a purpose. Same old jumping on a tired subject when the muse is away. There must be newer material out there; keep looking. Bottom line is: shoot what you can shoot accurately and keep practicing with it.

Mike11C

Articles like this are just exercise for your brain. They give you someone’s opinion that you can evaluate for yourself. You’re absolutely right, shoot what fits you and your needs.

Nightowl490

In 24 years of being a LEO and 18 of that Detective, I’ve carried department issued .357 Sig, .40, .45acp and will retire carrying a 9mm. I’ve observed damage and finality from all. They are all excellent and lethal in their own way. I’ve seen the last 3 get stuck in a headrest of a vehicle as well as go from trunk to dashboard. In the words of Clint Smith, I’ve never seen anyone shot with a .40 that I’d want to take their place, (Mr Smith was referring to the 5.56, but it applies.) love the comments.

Wild Bill

Welcome to the site!

Greg K

If your semi auto is, “Sharp, unmanageable, and/or breaks slides and frames” it’s not the caliber; it’s the light recoil spring. You need to match the recoil spring to what you’re shooting for ammo, period! Ft/lbs out = ft/lbs Back on the slide. Felt recoil is mostly a derivitive of the left over energy of the slide contacting the slide stop.

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EXACTLY!

swmft

even m14 can have same problem if recoil spring is bad, I remember they had a lot of problems when 40 first came out with “sharp” recoil ,I think wolf started making various tensions at request of police armorers,many city departments dumped the 40 due to inability of female officers to control muzzle flip, mine has a recoil spring that looks like a wound cable works great, have the same type of spring in desert eagles and 1911s do not remember where I bought them and the extras are in Ziploc baggies marked for the gun no numbers
big help

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Greg K

Wilson Combat and Wolff are tops. In particular Wolff has great solutions. Here’s an example.
Built a 1911 in 10mm. When I got the recoil springs 24#, 26# and 28# Wolff sends the recoil spring with a firing pin spring to match, so that the pistol won’t slam fire. Also, when I had problem with feeding due to faster slide, they sold me 10mm Colt Elite Magazine springs so that the rounds were in position when the slide engaged them. It’s all about timing…

Deplorable Bill

The 40 S&W is a modern version of the old 3840, a black powder round offering the same basic ballistics. Most factory powered loads make major caliber which is 170, 000. This means you get more points vs a minor caliber round in shooting sports like ipsc or idpa. The 40 has a weird, sharp, recoil impulse compared to 9mm and 45 acp. I find it difficult to explain that but, if you shoot it you will see it for yourself. For that reason I would not recommend it to new or newer shooters. Bullets kill by vital tissue damage… Read more »

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Yep, the .40 makes bigger leaks then the smaller ones and the .45 makes bigger leaks. The 50 AE makes really big leaks and the 500 S&W makes the biggest leaks of all handguns! As for the comparison to .40 black powder, I’m not convinced that it is a modern version of the 38-40. One is for a revolver or lever action. The second from the left is 38-40. The one to the left of it is 40 S&W. To the right are .44 special and .45 ACP.

Deplorable Bill

Sir, if you can look up the ballistics of the 3840 you will see it matches the 40 S&W. Same diameter of projectile, same weight and same velocity. Yes, there are variations in the 40 ammo but it does match. If I could carry a 50 Desert Eagle I would.

Arm up and carry on

swmft

with the hogue grips and scope ten inch barrel great hunting gun , have the 440 corbon conversion too you do need big hands but fits mine

Wild Bill

I have one Winchester, and two Colts in 3840. Never shot them, though.

Bill

For accuracy and comfort, why wouldn’t a person just carry a .22? That almost seems to be the argument, here. Fancy new bullet shapes to the side, which make the 9mm a modern super-weapon, does it make any difference that the optimum game weight calculation for 9mm reaches around 40 lbs., while that calculation for a .40 S&W reaches around 80 lbs.? This seems a good method of calculation, yet almost no one ever seems to mention it. Shot for shot, with all the same placement, articles like this leave me wondering whether people really believe that throwing a pebble… Read more »

DonnyDucko

The problem with the 22 is reliability. When you pull that trigger it needs to go bang 99.99999999% of the time and the 22 can’t do that.

james

Have police trades S&W and Glock for 9, .40 and .45 and Beretta Px4 Storm in .40, first time from 9 to .40 the recoil was noticed as expected, I don’t feel it much anymore. Folks getting out of the .40 traded for 9mm ammo round for round, I did real good there. Also like .357Sig, got a case before I even owned the P229 in .40, put factory barrel in it and shoot both. USP in .40 also a real sweet pistol, very comfortable, also a police trade.

Platemaster

I’ve been puzzled ever since the FBI report came out. If the 9 is just as good as the 40 where does all the extra energy go? Does it go to just damaging the frame and slide and felt recoil and the bad guy feels nothing more?

Wild Bill

The think about the Fat Boy Institute is that they never tell the truth. Everything that they say or do is to support an agenda.
The 9 might be just as good as the 40 because they need to hire and retain more women agents for statistical reasons. Oh and welcome to the site.

Wild Bill

Most humorous.

Sam in New Hampshire

Black Hills .40 caliber Honeybadger uses 115 grain bullets, and is a gamechanger with regard to recoil, while also (reportedly) offering excellent terminal ballistics/”stopping power.” Shooting it in my Glock23 feels like shooting 9mm.

Wild Bill

Good to know! Welcome to the site.

Mike11C

Have you tried Civil Defense ammo? Their .40 boasts a 60 grain lead free frangible bullet with a muzzle velocity of 2,000 FPS. I can tell you that they will splatter a cantaloupe at seven yards.

Deplorable Bill

It works very well in a shield. I would not want to get hit with it.

Arm up and carry on

Oldman

I have the Glock 22 and the Glock 23, both with interchangeable 9mm barrels. The G23 is kind of a pain to shoot, because of the barrel jump and it is hard on the hands, so I don’t practice much with it. On the otherhand, the 22 is just fine. My favorite .40 is my Beretta 96A.. It is too heavy to conceal, but it is the sweetest shooter ever.

KDad

I have a hk USP 40 and a Ruger P91DC .40 and they both shoot and work well. My wife likes the Ruger and my favorite is the hk. If I carried much, I might opt for a .380 due to the lighter weight. I have a 357mag Ruger S/S Security-Six from many years ago when I worked for a Sheriff’s Department. It shoots great and I keep it for home defense, along with my two .40 S&W’s. My ammo of choice for both calibers is jacketed hollow points with FMJ for the range.

john

Thank you for your service to our country.

Carry what you shoot well practice as much as you can. Love my 1911 45 ACP daily carry depends on what I am wearing or were I am headed. It’s good to have choices.

Cooter

357 mag is what I carry I have never been a fan of 9mm

Mike11C

I shot a .357 magnum without ear plugs back in the ‘80s and, my ears are still ringing.

Arizona

Which would you rather be shot by? The other one is the one to use.

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A .177 pellet.

nerf ball, even with a vest a “lucky?” shot between the vest and pad or clean under does harm….

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Dogma Factor

Does the 9mm SUCK? Short answer yes if have no confidence in the round as your EDC. I could make up all kinds of reasons just like this author as to why the 9mm sucks. Including all the hyperbole about how much bullet design has made the 9mm more lethal evan matching the performance of the tried-and-true 45. This is just a bunch mind game BS to justify one own option. Don’t you think the very same projectile improvements have an been applied the other calibers including the 40. What doesn’t suck you ask? Well that’s easy to answer! What… Read more »

Quatermain

Short answer: Yes. When I retired I had the option to buy my 40 S&W service weapon at a great discount. Needless to say, I passed. I carry my old off duty H&K 9mm.

Wild Bill

Yeah, I like my H&K USP LEM. A tad small in the hands, but infinitely concealable.

Duane

The 40S@W isn’t going away any time soon there are most likely millions of handguns out and about in that caliber.

Most likely far more then the 41mag, 44mag, 45colt and others that have been around longer.

It handles the job it was designed for well.

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The difference is the cost of ammo more then anything else. As well as availability of ammo. .40 was harder to find when it was available. At least in practice rounds. 9mm is and was all over the place. The other reason is because our society has been taken over by girly men who don’t want to mess up their manicures.

Exactly. Though I will be honest… All this talk about recoil impulse… I can’t even tell the difference… A recoiling pistol is a recoiling pistol to me. I dunno, maybe I’m just not that refined. Oh…yeah…that’s right… IMMA A MUTHAF@$king man… Haha.

Remember when 38 was cheap and 9mm was costly. Soon as the 9mm took off, that was reversed.

swmft

the 41 mag is like the 440 corbon a uncommon round, the other two are common as cordwood. have never been to a range where there was not either a 45colt or a 44 mag and often both present,and that is excluding me

Boom

I don’t think 41 mag is anywhere near as obscure as 440 Corbon. 41 mag is still having rifles chambered for it. 440 Corbin should have made it, but it didnt… Even though I find it better than the new 429 desert eagle. But the 440 is yet another example of a round that died while another took off that shouldn’t have…

warfinge

My first EDC was a Glock 22. I have around 2k rounds through it with no issues. Local cops say the extraction process tears primers and stresses the firing pin creating a potential point of failure with the pin. Every piece of brass that ever ejected from my G22 has a slot torn into the primer. I cannot perceive any detectable wear anywhere except barrel wear from the slide. I own other firearms more suitable for carry but the problem being, I have drilled with the Glock so much, I don’t feel confident with the others. When I shoot 9mm,… Read more »

Stag

I wouldn’t say .40 “sucks”. I just think it’s been surpassed on both sides by both larger and smaller calibers and is now irrelevant. It doesn’t offer anything of significance over modern 9mm when you factor in ballistics, costs, and capacity. It also fails to keep up with larger calibers like .45 and 10mm when the same metrics are taken into account. Sure, .40 is a fine and capable round and I wouldn’t turn down a pistol chambered for it but I wouldn’t purchase one for myself.

Wild Bill

I have about a half a ton of .40, so for better or worse, richer or poorer, in sickness and health … I am pretty much wed to .40!! Pun intended.

Stag

I literally laughed out loud reading your comment! I know exactly how you feel. I have a habit of buying cases of ammo whenever I get a new gun. Needless to say, some of that ammo has been pretty difficult to get rid of. I like to think I’ve learned my lesson when it comes to buying guns in calibers I don’t normally shoot.

Wild Bill

And it happens so fast, too!

Bill

40 S&W is far more powerful than 9mm, and it is more compact (more rounds easily available) than 45. Is this something that one can meaningfully analyze into being untrue or without significance? 2 + 2 = 4, even today, and even with wonderful new technology.

Ansel Hazen

Many of us with 40 S&W pistols bought them at bargain basement prices in order to convert them to .357 sig.

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Yea man…I was loading .357 SIG and looking for pressure signs. You know, flat primers, bulged cases that you couldn’t shove back into the chamber and pull out with your finger…got to this point and decided that the VELOCITY was a pressure sign!! This was with a 125 grain JHP. Backed it off to 1500 FPS.

357 sig is a queer duck , like you saw velocity is the pressure sign, they will go till the chamber fails , no idea why. have seen a 44 mag pushed to 2300 the shell had to be pealed out of the chamber , after mpi gun was still ok! no thanks ,not me, I like my hands. I reload and have been told i am crazy I never have two powders out of the safe at the same time and check that everything is clean before I start better, safe than at the hospital with people searching for… Read more »

Platemaster

I tried reloading for my Glock 357 ~20 years ago. At that time I couldn’t find the right bullet that would allow me to seat it deep enough to obtain proper overall length. What bullet are you using?

Felixd

There is a continuing problem with internet gun writers in that conjecture and opinion are intertwined with selected references that the writers assume is actually data. So goes this story. One can only think this new, electronic era of gun writers has fallen into the same crevasse of paid by the word stories that their print predecessors fell into. The exception with the new writers is that it is easier for them to cut and paste.

Nam62

If the 40 S&W is such a bad cartridge why are the Gun Writer pushing the 10mm? The 40S&W is a 10mm short!!!

Wild Bill

Are you sure that the .40 S&W can be fired in a 10mm?

Knute Knute

It can be done, but it isn’t the same as the revolver rounds like .44 special/.44 Mag or 38special/.357 mag. Revolvers don’t care about the length of the case, so long as it’s the correct diameter and short enough to chamber, because they headspace on the rim. However, autoloader rounds, being rimless, almost all headspace on the case mouth, which obviously then needs to be of the correct length. It can be done, because a shorter case like the .40 in a 10mm chamber, while unable to headspace on the mouth, will sometimes be held in place enough to fire… Read more »

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Wild Bill

So, it can be done theoretically, but as a practical matter … the stoppage rate would make it a less desirable practice, right?

Montana454Casull

I am not a fan if the 40 SW or the 9 mm or Glocks . I pack a 1911 .45 or a 1911 10mm. Both are reliable and will get the job done when called upon. I would recommend a 9mm for a women as a carry weapon though. But saying that I know a little gal that packs a model 629 .44 mag as she is head of search and rescue in griz country . LOL

swmft

I carry 1911s too or 50 ae in back country

Mike11C

I can’t believe someone gave your comment a thumbs down. WTF? I gave you a thumbs up just to put you back at zero.

The Crimson Pirate

My most carried gun is a G23 with a 9mm conversion barrel. Of course the native caliber was .40. I added conversions in 9mm, .357 Sig, and .22 LR, both stock length and threaded, as well as a threaded .40 barrel. No parts other than the barrel needs to be changed for .357 Sig. Only the barrel and magazine need to be changed for 9mm. For .22 LR there is a .22 magazine and a complete upper to swap. The upper swap is quicker and easier than just changing the barrel. The stock length barrels cost me about $100 each… Read more »

Platemaster

I’ve done the same thing with my G31, 357. Love the versatility. I only use the 9mm for qualifying because it is cheaper, but my edc is the 40.

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“I have seen about 6 pistols blow up on the range, all of them .40 S&W. Some were using reloads but some were not. This issue was caused most likely by early extraction. The frame ends up destroyed because of this. It is typically caused by a weak recoil spring. I have seen some full sized SIG P320’s in 9mm as well as .357 SIG blow up because of this. I had a full sized SIG P320.357 SIG blow up TWICE because of this. Of course Gray will claim it isn’t the case and yet sell upgraded recoil springs..WHY? That’s why.… Read more »

the way you wrote that sounds like all your glocks are in 9mm, tell me it aint so mildred!

He’s more than likely referring to the ‘kaboom’ chamber support issue gen 1/2 Glock factory barrels were prone to.

I’ve seen a couple of GLOCKS that were exploded, I don’t own any of them to this day and probably won’t. But carry what you want but be mindful of what it is that you carry! Same is true of all of the black guns made, bad experience from V/N, and still don’t own one of them, but again your choice, and I won’t condemn them, but I won’t own one

Wild Bill

Hey, willy, long time no hear from!

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There used to be an article at Buffalo Bore that addressed this. I couldn’t find it, but will tell you how I arrived at springs as a cause of problem. Many years ago I bought a Barreta 96. It stung the heck out of my hand and was inaccurate. Talked to my gun guy and he said, “it sounds like it needs a recoil spring.” When we sent the recoil stuff off, we were informed that it had the spring from a 92 in it. Probably around 17#. They sent me a 20# and a 22#. Barreta slides are relatively… Read more »

There is a model or two of Glock that uses an “abbreviated chamber”. I am not sure that it is still being made, but I hope not. In this type, the feed ramp is pushed forward to shorten the length of the pistol, leaving a significant area of the cartridge case not supported by a chamber wall (in 40 S&W – I haven’t seen it in other cartridge types). Since I reload, I have steered clear of this type of Glock, and consequently any Glock at all, since I prefer to shoot 40 S&W as a defensive weapon. I don’t… Read more »

xtphreak

I’m thinking you forgot the10mm being in the FBI mix in about 1991 and being too powerful so they downloaded it to a 180 gr @ 950 fps, about the same as a .40S&W.
Besides the S&W 1076 has issues with reliability in 10mm.

The current FBI 9mm as I understand it is 147gr Gold Dot @ 950 fps.

Wild Bill

So do you like the 45-70, then? I have two of them. The 1884 infantry rifle and the 1876 canine. The carbine is from the so called Custer run (within the serial number series that Custer’s carbines came from). I shot the carbine once … period.
For sale 19 rounds of factory 45-70.

mlnorth

I think you missed a few points. Most of the elite shooters, and many PDs seem to feel that results in 9mm require +P or +P+ ammunition. That blows your parts breakage and wear right out the door. You’re also looking exclusively at Glocks. Pat Sweeney wrote a very thorough book on Glocks, and real-world results seem to mirror his conclusions; they are insanely reliable in 9mm and .45 acp, and pretty weak anywhere else. As to control, I think a lot of it is the gun involved and fit. A HK USP turns a .40 into a popgun so… Read more »

Mike11C

I just got rid of two .40 caliber hand guns. It wasn’t out of disdain for that caliber. It was for a couple of reasons. One being, more recent introductions of 9mm bullets that have better performance than earlier bullets. Like light weight lead free frangible bullets. You can have a much higher velocity with a bullet that doesn’t over penetrate and causes massive temporary wound channels. Another being, ball ammo for practice is much cheaper and more readily available. I can get more range time per dollar spent and, I think we can all agree that practice is pretty… Read more »

Hatman1793

One issue not discussed is bullet weight. Typical 9mm uses 115’s/124’s/147’s. 40S&W *was* 180’s. But improved bullet designs that worked for 9mm also work for 40.
135 grain, 140-145 grain, to 155 grain 40 S&W bullets all make a forty caliber wound channel, slightly increased tissue destruction over 9mm and the snappy recoil is gone.
Most 40’s share the same platform as 9mm. Because of the new lower weight bullets, faster FPS & better performance I, for one, have re-embraced 40S&W.
40S&W doesn’t suck it shines……

Fat Brown Dog

Can’t really understand why everyone is hating on the 40 these days. From a balistical stand point it’s a perfectly good round. But that goes for the 45 and the 9 mm as well. The reality is a Handgun is actually a poor choice for self-defense. I believe the late, great colonel said something to the affect that only a fool would go into a combat situation with a handgun if a long gun is available. If all you have is the 40 then it seems to me it’ll the job just as well as any other self defense caliber… Read more »

Psyko

Not trying to be mean but if your glocks are blowing up get rid of them I’ve put close to ten thousand rounds thru my beretta 96 in the last 20 plus years and have had zero malfunction not even a jam seriously I mean shoot what you like of course but if it blows up I’d reconsider owning it

Last edited 2 years ago by Psyko