“I would personally suggest the gun control groups develop a BATNA to help induce more good-faith negotiating,” Tom H. Hastings, Director of the Peace and Nonviolence Studies, Conflict Resolution graduate program at Portland State University and Secretary for the Oregon Peace Studies Consortium writes in the Lockport Union-Sun & Journal.
“BATNA?” Hastings asks rhetorically (“Best Alternative to a Negotiated Agreement”). “It simply means that, if you are trying to negotiate with anyone, it’s important to not only think about ‘what if these negotiations fail,’ but to let the others know what you will be forced to do in that case.”
What does Hastings believe he’s “negotiating,” with whom, and what will he feel compelled to do if his demands aren’t met?
“My choice of BATNA would be, ‘Look gun rights people, we want to negotiate common sense regulations with you,” Hastings explains. “However, literally every time we pass such measures at the local or state level, you work to overcome the will of the people by challenging those commonsense measures in court, with your lawsuits, and it’s all based on the Second Amendment.”
“So we have a best alternative to a negotiated agreement,” Hastings imagines. “Our BATNA is that we are going to stop all other gun control work and focus all our resources on a campaign to repeal the Second Amendment.”
No carrot, just the stick? Give us everything we demand or we’re going to take even more? Hastings’ use of the term “negotiating” invokes nothing so much as Inigo Montoya’s famous “You keep using that word” line from The Princess Bride.
Here’s a counter-BATNA, Mr. Hastings: No. Your move.
I can’t speak for all gun owners the way you presume to speak for all gun-grabbers, but for, say three percent of them (which would still be millions of us), the only response you’ll get is “We will not disarm.”
We’re not interested in negotiating our rights that you and your fellow travelers have no claim to. Come and take them.
We’re not going to surrender the most egalitarian power-sharing arrangement ever devised by men a lot smarter than you so that useful idiots can ensure the state has an unchallengeable monopoly of violence. Besides, we know from experience that no concession will ever be enough (that’s why they call them “totalitarians”), and we know from nature that if you throw a scrap of flesh to a circling pack of jackals, rather than go away sated they will be emboldened to move in closer.
It’s not like your idea is anything new or original. Google “Repeal Second Amendment,” and you’ll see no shortage of egghead dolts who, like you, believe they’re smart but haven’t thought things through about what demanding the same unconditional surrender from an armed populace will result in. The latest rumblings that come to mind are from California Governor Gavin Newsom going full Orwell with his offensive and absurd 28th Amendment.
I see you were proposing the same subversive, reality-denying nonsense back in 2022, when you even showed you were aware of the potential of “Civil War 2.0. With approximately 400 million guns floating around U.S. society and an armed MAGA-driven polarization met by an increasingly armed leftist radical wing, along with evermore virulent rhetoric and escalating numbers walking around open-carrying war weaponry in public…”
To give yourself some semblance of gravitas, you begin your piece by citing Supreme Court Justice John Paul Stevens, who like you, called for repeal of the Second Amendment. But here’s the thing: Never meant to be an easy task, even if you could get the numbers needed to pass an amendment to the Constitution, repealing 2A would still not remove the right to arms. As the Heller majority noted when citing an earlier decision:
“The very text of the Second Amendment implicitly recognizes the pre-existence of the right and declares only that it ‘shall not be infringed.’ As we said in United States v. Cruikshank, ‘[t]his is not a right granted by the Constitution. Neither is it in any manner dependent upon that instrument for its existence. The Second amendment declares that it shall not be infringed…’”
And it shall not be—some of us will see to that.
So now it’s back to you, Mr. Hastings. Your silly and offensive BATNA is rejected, we’re not interested. Now do your worst. But do one other thing first: If they ever do pass your sick little fantasy, flesh out how you think those enforcing it (certainly not you or your fellow gun-grabbers by proxy!) are going to make it all happen. And since there hasn’t been much original thought offered from your side so far, don’t forget to threaten using F-15s and nukes!
With “progressives,” every day is Opposite Day. So it figures an aging, grinning academic wearing a stupid peace symbol earring is proposing unleashing the bloody horrors of civil war on the people of the Republic, and doing it in the name of non-violence and democracy.
About David Codrea:
David Codrea is the winner of multiple journalist awards for investigating/defending the RKBA and a long-time gun owner rights advocate who defiantly challenges the folly of citizen disarmament. He blogs at “The War on Guns: Notes from the Resistance,” is a regularly featured contributor to Firearms News, and posts on Twitter: @dcodrea and Facebook.
Reminds me of this from Mike Vanderboegh (RIP) from 2014.
“The defense of liberty boils down to this: ‘If you try to take our firearms, we will kill you.’ That was the Founders’ answer. That is ours.” – Dutchman6
https://sipseystreetirregulars.blogspot.com/2014/11/well-well-it-seems-that-i-still-make.html
I find it interesting that Prof Hastings and his ilk keep getting their idiotic ideas posted. Even more interesting is how Hastings presumes to speak for the majority of Americans. My guess is that his only real constituency is the academics and other types who don’t live in the real world and surround themselves with other soy drinking fantasists.
It never fails the CRBs always want everyone to do what they feel is best,and Our thoughts are; Well if you don’t want a gun, don’t get a gun! Why is it they always want to force their opinion on us? We have laws for those who do wrong with weapons, yet they want to control us. Isn’t that marxisim?
(CRBs) Commie Rat Bastards.
I will not surrender my arms to anyone EXCEPT the LORD GOD ALMIGHTY and HE is the one who told us all to be armed in the first place. I will reluctantly donate high speed hole punching implements to anyone who try’s to take my gear. I will absolutely enforce the laws against treason and tyranny should the evil people in government insist. A terrorist in a uniform or a suit is still a terrorist. If you try to take my gear you had better make your peace with GOD first. Come and take it—- and see what happens next.… Read more »
You want to repeal the Second Amendment, Tom H. Hastings? Fine. Replace it with this:
Unless negotiations are confined to laws for punishing criminal misuse of arms and irresponsible gun handling, tell the head gun controller, “go home and make your father a cup of tea,”
The problem with countering BATNA is we lack a communications network and organized groups who would band together like minute men. And if we did, the FBI would label us a violent domestic terrorist group with whatever consequences comes from that. We tend to be individualistic so organization is a real challenge. Of course that could change quickly under a Commie-luh Harris administration. None the less, excellent article David. It’s one of your best.
Again, safety is NOT their goal. Their goal is total DISARMAMENT of the civilian population. It is NOT for the children.
Mr. Hastings does not understand the reason we have the Second amendment is because of tyrants like him . Tom we will not negotiate our rights away without a fight , read a history book about America’s beginning .
We do not negotiate with terrorists. Period. We also don’t negotiate with tyrants. And in the case of the government, both. We don’t care about your scary labels for us, either, Mr. Jack-Booted Thug!
Our response as best articulated by the late great Mike Vanderboegh: