BREAKING
Robert Leider, a Scalia Law professor & Second Amendment legal expert, has officially replaced Pamela Hicks as ATF’s new Chief Counsel. https://t.co/Z5BboQaOFV pic.twitter.com/qqZGsMpZ55
— Gun Owners of America (@GunOwners) March 19, 2025
The Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (“ATF”) unveiled its new Chief Legal Counsel.
Robert Leider will take over duties as the top lawyer of the ATF. The appointment is a sharp change of course from former Chief Counsel Pamela Hicks. Ms. Hicks’s views on guns were in line with groups like Everytown and Brady. Mr. Leider takes a more liberty-based approach to guns. The appointment of Leider to the position saw an outpouring of joy from gun rights activists.
Mr. Leider was an assistant professor at George Mason University, Antonin Scalia Law School, where he taught a class on the Second Amendment. Before becoming a professor, he worked for powerhouse law firm Arnold & Porter Kaye Scholer, LLP. He also clerked for Supreme Court Associate Justice Clarence Thomas. Mr. Leider lists his interests as the right of self-defense and the Second Amendment.
Mr. Leider has written extensively about gun rights with articles tackling such cases as Harrel v. Raoul. Raoul challenges the Illinois “assault weapon” ban. Mr. Leider believes that the law is unconstitutional and should be struck down. He claims that semi-automatic firearms are protected arms. Mr. Leider also highlights that the Second Amendment is not just about an individual right to keep and bear arms for self-defense. He argues that all arms useful for military service should be protected arms.
“Underneath this debate over which “arms” the Second Amendment protects is a critical dispute about the contemporary purpose of the Second Amendment,” Leider wrote. “Illinois is essentially arguing that the Second Amendment exclusively protects individual self-defense against crime. The State understands Heller to have divorced entirely the right to keep and bear arms from the Second Amendment.”
Mr. Leider has also argued against the “Gun Free Zone Act.” The “Gun Free Zone Act” would have made any property within 1000 feet of a school a “sensitive area.” He argued that the law would strip Americans of their Second Amendment rights just because they live near a school. He claims such a law would fail a Bruen test and be unconstitutional.
Mr. Leider also has penned articles that advocated the stripping of qualified immunity from those state officers who resist the Supreme Court’s Bruen ruling. If qualified immunity was removed from these state officers, it could open people like New York State Governor Kathy Hochul to legal action. States have passed laws inconsistent with Bruen since SCOTUS ruled on the case.
“In former may issue states, gun owners will face substantial legal risks when exercising their rights,” Leider wrote. “But the legal risk may not only be on private citizens. Despite strengthening qualified immunity in recent years, the Supreme Court has not shielded government agents who willfully seek to violate the Constitution. New York, New Jersey, Maryland, and California may find that, in bringing down the heavy hand of the State against individuals who exercise their Second Amendment rights, their own police officers will get hit by the blow. “
Mr. Leider also believes bans on the open carrying of firearms violate the Second Amendment. He states that everyone should have the right to open carry. Out of all the changes made to gun control since Trump took office, the appointment of Leider to the Chief Counsel position might be the biggest.
About John Crump
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I encourage everyone to read Robert Leider’s scholarly works before making judgments. I would suggest everyone take time to watch this video with Mark Smith and Robert Leider:
While this is great news, keep in mind he is the ATFs lawyer, he’s not in charge. Big changes need to be implemented by the person in charge.
After watching the video Brian posted, I’m concerned about Leider. Mark Smith made much more sense than Robert Leider, to this legal layman. For one, Leider argues at approximately 46min, that Amendments “develop over time”. I don’t see how anyone can read the Second Amendment, and see how it means anything different today, than it did, when written. This “develop over time” idea, in concerning. It reminds me of the “living and breathing constitution” idea. Leider at about 51 minutes, argues that we should look at the Second Amendment in the context of our society was in 1868. I don’t… Read more »
I will judge Leider on his actions because I believe in the old “time will tell” saying.
It would seem a move in the right direction but I will reserve judgement until the actions of the ATF and DOJ prove they are worthy of support. 31 days and yes they would be ashamed.
We shall see , I do not trust any lawyer to protect the American people’s rights .
We will see. I’m not a sports fan so I don’t excite that easily.
Proof is in the pudding
No public official should have qualified immunity for blatant assaults on basic liberties. That is how we go after deep state operatives who use Jim Crow era tactics to suppress your rights and render them moot by bureaucratic fiat.
Dear Ms. Hicks,
I hear President(?) Maduro is looking for counsel for his Death Squads,
You should apply, and cite your record with the ATF.
This is big! Really big!!!