Too Young or Too Old… To Own a Gun?

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Fairfax, VA – -(Ammoland.com)- A common theme among anti-gun extremists is what we often refer to as the “Goldilocks” approach to limiting access to firearms by law-abiding citizens.  Rather than admit that the ultimate goal is to disarm all Americans, those opposed to the Second Amendment create fictional arguments about why certain types of firearms, ammunition, or even accessories should be eliminated.

In the 70s, the goal was to ban handguns.  Since they could be carried concealed for personal protection, they were seen as being “too small.”  That argument fell out of fashion as more and more states passed Right-to-Carry laws that recognized the right to personal protection.

One subset of the anti-handgun hysteria included inexpensive handguns (so-called “Saturday Night Specials”), which were deemed “too cheap.”  When NRA and others pointed out this was an obvious attempt to disarm lower income citizens (who are often at higher risk to being victims of violent crime), the term “Saturday Night Special” faded from the gun-ban lexicon.

Another subset of the attack on handguns came with the introduction of Glocks, and other handguns that used polymers as part of their construction.  These were falsely claimed to be able to pass through metal detectors and x-ray machines undetected, and, thus, “too invisible” to be screened where firearm are prohibited (think airports).  Of course, this canard was quickly dispelled.

Ammunition has been attacked as “too lethal,” “too untraceable,” “too bad for the environment (lead),” “too inexpensive (so tax it),” and any number of other “toos.”

Rifles have been called “too powerful,” “too modifiable,” “too accurate,” “too similar to actual military arms,” and the list goes on.

Boiled down to its essence, after wading through myriad “too this” and “too that” arguments, the just-right “Goldilocks” of guns would likely be a break action .22 rifle, although finding acceptable lead-free ammunition might be a bit difficult.  But anti-gun extremists can still claim they don’t want to ban “all” guns.

The latest approach to “Goldilocks-style Gun Control,” though, seems to be focusing less on what you can own, and focusing more on who can own firearms.  And we don’t mean people with criminal records.

After the horrific tragedy that took place in Parkland, Florida, this year, age became the new battle cry for those seeking to limit gun ownership.  Rather than focusing on the obvious failures at various levels of government to identify the copious warning signs exhibited by the alleged perpetrator, extremists decided to focus on the fact that law-abiding citizens are able to exercise their rights protected under the Second Amendment when they reach the age of 18.  Although responsible young adults regularly leave home, join the military, get married, and begin voting at this age, the anti-gun community has decided this age is too young for one to exercise the right of gun ownership.

Eighteen-year-olds have not been prohibited from purchasing and possessing rifles and shotguns at the federal level, and in the vast majority of states, since the founding of our country.  Nonetheless, because of the violent acts of one individual, we have seen an onslaught of legislation throughout the country that seeks to raise the minimum age to purchase and/or possess rifles and shotguns from 18 to 21.  Because common sense has taken a back seat to raw emotionalism in today’s gun control debate, some of these efforts have seen success.

But being deemed “too young” to own firearms isn’t the only threat to face the pro-Second Amendment community.  There may be a new approach beginning to form.  You might soon be deemed “too old.”

An article by JoNel Aleccia and Melissa Bailey, published by Kaiser Health News (KHN) and PBS NewsHour, has begun making the rounds with a number of media outlets, such as CNN, and it discusses the issue of gun owners who may be suffering from dementia.  Sort of.

Dementia can be a devastating disorder.  It is a category of diseases, including Alzheimer’s, that affects the brain, and its impact on individuals varies widely.  Mild forms can lead to simple cognitive declines, such as slight memory loss, that are little different than one would experience during the normal aging process.  More severe and advanced cases of dementia, on the other hand, can lead to dramatic changes in those afflicted that would require professional health care, and perhaps even commitment to a dedicate healthcare facility.

Of course, discussing the problem of dementia is a conversation worthy of having.  Unfortunately, the KHN/PBS article is riddled with language that sounds like it came straight from one of the gun-ban groups being funded by anti-gun billionaire Michael Bloomberg.  We can only presume it is likely to be used to promote anti-gun policies that focus on prohibition, and ignore reason and constitutional considerations.

The tone of the article (a lengthy one) is set early, when it inaccurately describes our nation with the all-too-commonly heard inflammatory claim that, today, “America copes with an epidemic of gun violence….”  In fact, America’s murder rate has fallen to a near all-time low.  If anything, we have been doing remarkably well since the violent crime peak in the early 90s, with violent crime and murder rates decreasing by about half.

But repeating anti-gun rhetoric is just the start.

Aleccia and Bailey go on to refer to an analysis of Washington state survey data that claims approximately 54,000 residents who are 65 and older have “some cognitive decline” as well as a firearm in the home.  Is this really important to note?  No, because two key facts are ignored.

First, cognitive decline is common among the elderly, and can manifest itself as simply slight memory loss.  It does not mean dementia is present.  In fact, the epidemiologist who analyzed the survey data even “cautions that the answers are self-reported and that people who’ve actually been diagnosed with dementia likely are unable to respond to the survey.”  So now, rather than dementia being the concern, it’s simply old age.

Second, the story refers to these people (again, likely just elderly folks with no known mental disorder) having “access to weapons,” as if that is a concern.  However, they may not even have access.  The survey apparently asked if there was a firearm in the home.  The person surveyed could very well be living in a home that has firearms in it, but not have access to the firearm.  A son or daughter who takes in a parent, for example, could be the person who owns the firearm in the home, and may not allow others access to it.

The authors also seem to lament, “Only five states have laws allowing families to petition a court to temporarily seize weapons from people who exhibit dangerous behavior.”  These are the so-called “red flag” or “extreme risk protection order” laws that are being promoted nationwide.  They generally lack sufficient due process protections necessary for deprivation of a constitutional right and are often rife for abuse.

Furthermore, dementia is not a “temporary” disease.  It has no cure.  If an individual is exhibiting “dangerous behavior,” it is, in all likelihood, going to continue, and probably increase.  All states have a process to seek to have someone’s competency adjudicated or be involuntarily committed, which could result in a more permanent firearm prohibition. And, these laws generally protect due process by allowing individuals to put on their own defense and challenge the allegation before having their rights infringed by the state.

To make matters worse, Aleccia and Bailey also spoke with long-time anti-gun researcher Garen Wintemute, as part of their parroting of the false argument that NRA has stopped “public health research into the effects of gun violence.”  Wintemute is the director of the anti-gun University of California Firearm Violence Research Center, so it is clear that there is research going on.

Ultimately, while the subject of treatment for dementia patients is a very serious issue that deserves more scientific inquiry, using such a terrible disease as a pretext to preemptively disarm elderly Americans is unacceptable.  As we have said many times before, NRA supports any reasonable steps to fix America’s broken mental health system. But if the debate is going to move towards one more Goldilocks argument suggesting that just getting “too old” is reason enough to confiscate firearms, as this article might suggest, then that is a debate we will not bear.

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  • 15 thoughts on “Too Young or Too Old… To Own a Gun?

    1. I am 84yrs old. I am a Life Member of the NRA, Life Member of the NRA Whittington Center, and a Life Member of the 3rd Infantry Regiment “Old Guard Society”, At 11yrs old I bought my own 22lr rifle at a Western Auto store for $10, parent permission not needed, no paper work, just the $10. I carried this rifle to elementary school, kept it in my locker as all my friends did with their firearms. Went hunting after school. This was in Dallas, TX, not a country school. We could catch the Street Car which was on the edge of the campus and ride to the end of the line and start hunting. There was never any shooting in the school and no one was ever injured by a firearm. We had learned about firearms from our parents, in the Cup Scouts and the Boy Scouts.

      What I am hearing is that I was too young to have a firearm and now I am too old to have a firearm. Well, tough shit, I currently have a collection of 300+ replica percussion revolvers(this is down from 1050 two years ago), around ten or so pistols and revolvers, three hunting rifles, four shotguns, fifteen semi automatic military type rifles(AR15-AK47 etc). As the saying goes, “Only from my cold dead hands”, is this going to change.

    2. Soooo, using the logic in the KHN/PBS article, if the elderly all have cognitive issues, then let’s start getting rid of politicians over 65!
      If the elderly can’t be trusted with responsible gun ownership how can the elderly be trusted to make responsible gun laws?

      1. Ginsburg is 85…..She should probably be put down to help stop global warming from every time she opens her mouth!

    3. I din’t think anyone with dementia has
      committed an act of mass murder. Maybe
      a few have committed suicide rather than
      face that end or burden family. A recent tv
      episode of Man with a Plan addressed this,
      and my first thoughts were here we go again
      with another attack front on the 2nd.

    4. SO… this wonderful pair of schweetharts did their work in Washington State. I’d like to know where they got their edjumicayshun. And I’d like to know in what city they live, and who they’ve been talking to inside government in that (or any other) state. Knowing these facors, their bias could the more readily be determined.

      They bring up the issue of DEmentia…. the observable phenomenon of people once of sound mind and good reasoning capacity, gradually losing those qualities. I would like to see someone qualified and capable undertake a similar study bot of folks at the OTHER end of the arc of life….. and I’ll coin a new term to label it: Amentia… the quality of never having developed a sound mind and good reasoning capacity in the first place. We see this on public display with the Parkand “survivors” and their handlers…. HoggBoy and his Darlin Baybee Sister, and that EmmaChik, who’ve been coopted by the Bloomie Gang, given scripts and talking points to parrot, a little help i stage presence and animation when in public, then paraded around on “someone” else’s nickel to forward HIS agenda, one which we’ve seen in action now for at leat a couple decades.

      And if those eedjits are not allowed to have guns, then their handlers oughtn’t be either. In other wrods, end the armed security detail that follows these brats about as does stink on a dead rat.

      I also wonder WHO has paid these two for their “research”. THAT also ought to be telling….

      1. @ Tionico, In retrospect to your post I heard this statement the other day: Gunny says to the Hogg bunch, what do you mean you are going to start a revolution, hell, you can’t even start a lawnmower! A very true statement.

    5. Too young, immature and emotional to own a gun?
      Doesn’t seem they could make a reliable decision when it comes time to vote either.
      Increase voting age to 21
      That should get them angry and motivated enough to fight for rights that have been taken away “for their own good”.

    6. They want to restrict by age? Hmmmm Seems they don’t have a problem with people under 21 using government issued firearms, as well as far deadlier weapons, to defend the country, including nuclear laden alert aircraft, but you can’t trust them otherwise. At 19 I was responsible for the protection of many millions of dollars worth of aircraft and weapons systems as well as the personnel who maintained and flew them. At 20 I was leading men in Vietnam, defending the base I was assigned to as well as the personnel assigned to fly and maintain the air assets based there.

      Feinstein reportedly has a CCW and her own firearm, and she doesn’t trust old people to own and use firearms? Or is it she just doesn’t trust conservatives?

    7. If I am old enough to kill or die fighting for the USA, be dumb enough to smoke dope, get married, vote against the morons in political office I damn well should be able to buy a shotgun to hunt birds.

      1. I disagree with your final statement. You should be able to buy a shotgun, rifle, or handgun for whatever legal purpose you so chose or for no reason at all.

    8. Might review “Agenda 21″….those under 6 and those over age 50 are to be eliminated. Considered by the UN as “eaters” Before this can be completed it requires population to be disarmed. If it were not due to Trump’s efforts, we would already be in a civil war. The commies (democrats) are very well funded….follow the money trail. Who is paying for all these thousands of “ban the gun” tours, travel, and meals. None of them have jobs, they are a rent a mob, nothing more. Now Trump supporters people are being attacked while eating, and at home. We have been a banana republic since Clinton & Obama. The good news is that the NSA is tracking all of them now.

    9. The anti-gun crowd which accepts military personnel carrying firearms in combat fails to recognize that many of those vets are under 21 years of age. The left trusts them to defend the nation with far deadlier weapons than are available to the public, then claims anyone under 21 can’t be trusted with a firearm.

      At 19 I was armed and protecting nuclear laden alert aircraft, nuclear weapons in storage, and nuclear weapons in transit between storage and the aircraft. Further, I was charged with protecting the personnel who maintained those weapon systems and their families, as well as the base and it’s facilities.

      At 20, I was defending a base in Vietnam’s Mekong Delta, including the personnel assigned there, and the war fighting systems, including aircraft of the USAF and USN. I was leading men in combat and we were all armed. We used weapons far deadlier than anything we can purchase at the local gun store.

      At 21, I was on patrol in the City of Seattle as an Armed Forces Police Officer.

      Yet, those under 21 can not be trusted to purchase and handle firearms in a lawful manner. That makes no sense.

      The same could be said of older people. Feinstein reportedly has a CCW and a gun. many others do as well. Many older Americans the lefties would prohibit from firearms possession are veterans.

    10. i`m 71 and a viet vet. i legally carry, & did draw the pistol once. Neighbor lady beating down our front door in a hysterical, out of control state of mind. I tried to pull her in house cause she said HELP ME !, several times. I pulled gun . I honestly thought someone was after her.. Turned out,her husband was trapped under his pick-up when it fell off jack stands. I got my floor jack&got it lifted. He survived. Point is, if someone WAS after her, I was prepared. No, don`t try to disarm me. It will not end well for all involved. Sound threatening? No, it`s intended as a warning. Like a rattlesnake rattle. Average response time for law enforcement in our area is roughly 20 min. – 1/2 hr. and longer. We`ve been robbed, vehicles rifled thru during night. I`ll just keep my gun, thank you.

    11. Once it was a given that most elected and non-elected appointed officials had a level of intelligence and aptitude to that job competently. Putting aside if that were wealthy or backed by the wealthy or not. The ignorance that has been instituted by the many changes in schooling which has been allowed and done by design is the culprit, in short today we not only have a much more ignorant public but also a much more ill-educated legislative system. Dumbed downed judges, mayors, representatives, senators and a few presidents since the mid nineteenth-sixties.
      Our nation has been seriously harmed by manipulative globalists, communists and a exponentially growing apathetic public, rich, middle-class or poor. I see it amongst low to average, above average and highly intelligence individuals.
      We are and always have been the most studied, adaptable, observed, controlled and manipulated species on this planet with most advances in tech leading towards this end is more apparent than ever before.
      The over zealous, the very religious, communists and even the psycho/socio-pathic wealthy by so-called birthright or not seek absolute control over everything from behavior to labor to food/water and all resources which includes the peoples ability to protect themselves, family, livelihood and destiny. It’s all about control and removing the notion of choice.
      Our founding fathers did their best during their time to create a document delineates what is, what has happened and what should never be. The powerful, wealthy, ignorance and apathy brings us all into today’s USA. Many, many people have failed us, our descendants, the nation and themselves.
      Too old or too young?… is just another means to an end. Where has WISDOM gone!?

    12. This thinking of age being a qualifying factor to own a firearm is just so much bovine scat. Trump is going to appoint constitutional chief justices to SCOTUS. When there are enough right thinking constitutional judges on the court they will start to hear cases where states that have passed anti 2nd amendment legislation will be struck down. Previously
      SCOTUS was and still is packed with anti Second Amendment judges who refuse to hear these cases so illegal and anti constitutional laws are allowed to stand when states pass them. I predict that this will soon change and more anti gun loony left lie-berals heads will explode.

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