Some Republicans Now Want Gun Confiscation

Opinion. Senate Judiciary Committee to Hold Hearings in Favor of Gun Confiscation. Let’s Generate a Massive Outcry Against Gun Confiscation Orders in the Senate!

Republicans Now Want Gun Confiscation
Republicans Now Want Gun Confiscation

Washington, DC – -( It’s been said quite often that Republicans are the “Stupid Party.”

Well, the party of stupid has struck again, and “Exhibit A” is the Republican Chairman of the Senate Judiciary Committee — Senator Lindsey Graham of South Carolina.

Based on what Graham is doing, one would think he’s planning to forfeit control of the Senate to the Democrats and to lose the White House in 2020. Because he is holding a hearing to promote the nastiest form of Bloomberg-sponsored gun control.

As it turns out, Graham and his new “best buddy,” anti-gun zealot Senator Richard Blumenthal (D-CT), are scheduling a hearing on Gun Confiscation Orders — sugar-coated as “red-flag laws” — on March 26 of this month.

Gun Confiscation “red-flag” Orders were drafted and are being promoted nationally by Leftist anti-gun billionaire Michael Bloomberg.

They would allow an angry relative or the police to make a telephone call to a judge. And, based on that telephone call, the judge can issue an order stripping you of your Second, Fourth, Fifth, and Fourteenth Amendment rights — all without your knowledge.

The first thing you would learn about it is when the SWAT Team arrived at your door in the middle of the night — ready to ransack your home and, if you resisted, to arrest or shoot you.

Let’s make one thing perfectly clear: Gun Confiscation Orders would not have stopped ANY mass shooting in American history — and they do NOTHING to reduce homicides, suicides, crime, or mass shootings.

Gun Confiscation “red-flag” laws have been proven to be ineffective:

  • They were in effect in Connecticut at the time of the Newtown shooting in 2012.
  • They had long been in effect in California during the Thousand Oaks massacre last year.
  • And they were in effect in Illinois during the Aurora shooting earlier this year.
  • In fact, criminologist John Lott has conducted the definitive study of Gun Confiscation Orders.

He found that red flag laws have been an utter failure when it comes to lowering crime rates:

  • They do not reduce homicides;
  • They do not reduce suicides;
  • They do not reduce mass shootings;
  • They do not reduce crime of any kind; and
  • They may even INCREASE the incidence of rape.

So if red flag laws don’t make people safer, what are they good for? In short, they are just another effort by gun-hater Bloomberg to “put points on the board.” To date, only two key Senate bills imposing Gun Confiscation Orders have been introduced (S. 7 and S. 506). But more such bills are expected.

So now is the time to contact your Senators and demand that they oppose this dangerous legislation.

In Liberty,

Michael Hammond
Legislative Counsel

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  • 121 thoughts on “Some Republicans Now Want Gun Confiscation

    1. Senator Graham
      You’re treading on dangerous ground. Obama invites hordes of dangerous refugees into the country and now you want to take away the guns we use to protect ourselves. You’re a special kind of stupid, aren’t you

    2. Great you are opening the door for some foreign country to put a hit on us, knowing they have taken our firearms away. Think you political fools.

    3. So if and when a judge decide to tell the police they can show up my door to take away my gun they better remember when i show up at there door. I will not be looking to take away there gun I’ll be looking for pay back

      1. Roy, it’s easy to be angry, but we (all Americans) must use our heads whether we are gun owners or not. Making comments that allude to anger and pay back (whatever that means) will not help our case to prevent the loss of our Second Amendment and the ultimate end of our Constitution. The Second is the hinge on which our country will remain free. It is our ONLY defense!

      1. Why not? Graham is a RINO. He has always been more left then right. He is gone with the Democrats and his voting so many times it’s pathetic! Oh he has stood up a couple times and made himself to look like he’s a tough conservative. When you look at his record he is a fluffy puppet of the Democrat party.

    4. I like Graham but he’s losing me with this. But why should he care? I’m in California.

      He’s kicking off his 2020 re-election campaign in South Carolina with Mike Pence on March 30. Please, if you’re in South Carolina, tell him in person, call his office, whatever you need to do — tell him he will lose if he doesn’t come to his senses on this issue.

      1. They need to be dragged out of bed at 3am and sat down in front of a Military Tribunal convened in their front lawns. Seems to me that they are in violation of:
        1) The Second Ammendment of the US Constitution.
        2) Felonious Perjury Laws
        3) 18 USC 241
        4) 18 USC 242
        5) TREASON–In collusion with others, they are waging a war against the Constitution, which they took an oath to uphold.

        And I am not a lawyer. I am willing to wager that a good lawyer could comb thru the law books and find a myriad of laws these muscreants are breaking. Seems to me that some should be punishable by death. I woyld think that if a few were seen swinging from a rope, the rest would shut up and move to another country they would prefer over the USA.

        1. Agreed. They are violating the Constitution they swore to uphold…. and I believe they will create a rebellion if they try to take guns away from we citizens. History shows that if a government can get control of the citizens’ guns, it has control of the citizens. We’re ready, ‘guvmunt’, are you?

        2. You are absolutely correct in the (5) bullet points above.
          This CRAZY shit is getting way out of control.
          I say lest stand up as ONE USA Patriot and use the laws they created that they want to use against us.
          Yesterday I read that a Representative from Hawaii wants to abolish the @Second Amendment.
          If they so much as try there will be Hell To Pay for there stupidity.
          III % Patriot

        3. We have the right to sue them personally just like they are doing to Trump and it is Lindsey Graham and Marco Rubio the two or more Republicans that support this law.

    5. THE ERPO will be used do deny Americans all their constitutional rights. Gun confiscation is the beginning. Social Media reviews are next. Denial of all freedoms for political reasons is the ultimate goal. Hitler, Stalin, Lenin and other despots all used an individuals mental health as reason to detain, imprison, and kill. Once democrats seize power guns will be the first things to be banned History is ones best teacher.

      1. You are dead on historically accurate. We’ve been free for so long we can’t envision that here. CDC documented in late 1990s that gun use to protect and stop crime, dwarfed their use to commit crimes. These results did not match their politicised narrative so they Buried these results.

    6. I haven’t read all the comments but the article is about as gdamn clueless a pile of words as I’ve seen in a lonnnnnnnnnng time
      You idiots whining about these red flag bills need to educate your dumb asses about the reality of untreated mental illness
      And then go look into all these mass shootings SURPRISE if the shooter is not some mooslime jeehawdi then its some fuckup
      who has been causing serious trouble for months if not years before completely going nutters and shooting people

      1. You are an absolute fool and likely a Democrat who dosent know the first thing about the issue.
        What you prefer is to unarm every American citizen . You simply don’t understand the 2nd amendment, don’t even know that Hitler confiscated all guns from its citizens. When that happened, all the Jews and anyone who opposed the government were sent to concentration camps. They came to get you in the middle of the night with their boot in your face . .

        1. Spot on Myrna. I’ve been a Republican since the day after JFK was killed and LBJ started our downward slide toward destroying our country with entitlement slavery of his ”hreat society” because JFK was the last (and possibly the first and only) thinking Democrat. Now Senator Graham seems to have lost his marbles. As you so wisely point out, the second amendment was created when the Founders realized that it was the only way to resist another Hitler or our own government might take a giant step backwards and subjugate its own people. Unfettered gun ownership of firearms by legal Americans is the only way to keep us free.

      2. Hey wks why you expose your low I.Q. And ignorance when all you can do is limit the thrust of your comments to the use of four letter words. Shame on you.

      3. @ecks why

        Since you have decided to out yourself as prime moron number 2 here, follow your own advice.

        We are well aware of the reality of untreated mental illness. After all, you and Green Watch Dog are the picture perfect examples of that dilemma facing the country, not just the Ammoland comment Section.

        You’re welcome. 🙂

      4. Some truth in it, but it is “throwing the baby out with the bath water”, penalizing good, lawful citizens in such a drastic manner, when the reason for the action by law enforcement can be bogus, untrue, a vendetta, THAT IS PLAIN FUCKING INSANE. It does NOTHING to avert criminals from their acts, in fact takes good people out of any equation involving self-protection, or intervention in criminal acts happening to others. Draconian, and evil.
        What this really is: Carte Blanche to pick off gun owners, one at a time. That way, no one cares, because we all go about our business and generally don’t care what happens to the other guy. In time, our numbers diminish, until there are no longer enough of us to come together and resist, as per the intention of the Second Amendment, a tyrannical government set on full disarmament of citizens.
        We damned well better open eyes and ears soon, and start giving a damn about “the other guy”, so we can defend each other, having strength in numbers to put up a resistance that will not go quietly. As veterans who experienced true combat will tell you, we survived the hell of fighting by backing each other; this will be no difference. It may come to violence, something these arrogant politicians seem to ignore. That is an even worse situation, because they must assume we will take a knee and surrender meekly in the face of great power that they can bring to bear. Is that really who we are? Are they right? If faced with the possible loss of our life, how many of us would actually “stand our ground”, and fight to keep our guns? That is a key question.
        We are facing a potential civil war, having to resist against fellow Americans who are charged with the dirty work behind these “red flag” travesties. Knowing you are truly innocent of any wrongdoing while being targeted by a corrupt, tyrannical government must be horrific, terrifying. I would NEVER have suspected those we elected would turn on us this way. It is the epitome of evil.

        Oh, by the way- ecks why – a lot of us are NOT idiots. If there are a few dufus types among us, we just carry them along, and hope they don’t sink the ship by acting like, well, idiots. It’s our society, good, bad, whatever.

      5. @Ecks why…..
        About 450 people in total have been killed by mass shooters in this country, since its inception. And there is a strong correlation between SSRI ingestion and those who go nuts. Most shootings have occurred by people on SSRI’s. . I am sorry for those 450 people who were killed, but the 2A is more important to the rest of the law abiding gun owners. Many more than that are killed in car accidents but I don’t see you TRAITORS p*ssing and moaning about car ownership, or drivers lisences for young people, who cause most of the accidents. And doctors cause 250,000 deaths per year. Why don’t you get your panties in a knot about that ? It’s because you are TRAITORS attempting to disarm the American people, and that what your agenda is, sh*thead ! If you were so concerned about “the safety of the children”, you wouldn’t belong to a political party that will abort a baby even after it is born. Who do you think you are fooling. COME AND TAKE THEM, BOZO ! We will NOT comply, and the only way you will get them is one bullet at a time.

      6. Everything you just used in your argument has nothing to do with our rights. If someone wants a person dead, they will use something else if a gun isn’t available. But having guns keeps us free. Wake up and look at all the countries with no gun rights. They are being persecuted, as they have always been persecuted. You are the flaming idiot if you think otherwise. You are the kind of person who will be responsible for the death of thousands of people because of your backward, dumb thinking.

      7. I don’t own a gun but with your logic maybe I should. This country has gone bat shit crazy. There is nothing wrong in our Constitution. If something happens to me I will go down fighting. I don’t want it but I won’t blindly look the other way.
        Liberty or Death.

    7. If government spent half as much time on CRIME CONTROL as they do on “gun control”, America would be a much safer country

      Time For A New Government for The United States of America

      Governments exist to support the rights of the people. Governments exist only through the power of the people that they represent. When a government fails to grant rights to the people and removes the involvement of the people, the people have the right to change their government in a way that will allow for their unalienable rights to be protected.
      Governments should not be overthrown for trivial reasons; as it is not typical for people to change a system that they are accustomed to.

      However, when the people have suffered many abuses under the control of a totalitarian leader, they not only have the right… but also the duty to overthrow that government and upgrade that government to work equally for ALLthe people of The United States of America!!

      One of the biggest problems with the U.S. Government is that it is now designed for two parties and it should be designed for three parties in order for the Government to work for all The People Equally!

      For decades now these two parties have been fighting for government control and costing ‘WE’ The People Trillions in Tax Dollars for these two parties to continually fight for who they think is right and who is wrong and who gets control… it has been very very costly in both money and lives and it has to stop and stop now!

      It would be nice to have a government where you don’t have two parties fighting over who has the right to tell you how to live your life. A government designed to work for you, the people, as it was intended and not for rich to get richer! Term limits of six years on ALL public office… including the U.S. Supreme Court. Never re-elect anyone. Public is a brief civic duty, not a career.

      Alternate the election of President, House, and Senate every two years so we would always have experienced people in office. Make voting simple and easy by voting online with a unique ID and Password issued by the Voter Registrar. People without Internet access can go to a polling station. Non-citizens are never allowed to register to vote or receive any benefits.

      In a True Peoples Government there would be three parties only, “Democrats, Republicans and “WE” The People or in other words a True Peoples Government that will work for all with zero parties in control. The change would be the top 3 positions in the government, ie… President, Senate and House of Representatives.

      Starting with the Presidency, no more one party as President and Vice President.

      All three parties run for president, one becomes president and the other two becomes senior vice president and vice president ie… the winning party becomes president, first runner up becomes senior vice president, and the third runner up party becomes vice president.

      No more One Party Presidencies, all Pardons, Security Issues, Firings, Wars, and true National Emergencies would now have to be approved by two of the three parties in this office!

      The Senate will have 150 members, 50 Democrats, 50 Republicans and 50 Constitution Party and this will be always! One of each party from each of the 50 states. The Senior Vice President would the President of the Senate and tie-breaker.

      The House of Representatives will have 450 members, 150 Democrats, 150 Republicans and 150 Constitution Party and this will be always! Three of each party from each of the 50 states. The Vice President would preside as Speaker of the House.

      Now there is no reason to fight for control of The United States of America and the elected officials can now work taking care of our country as it was meant to be when the Constitution of The United States was created Of The People! By The People! For The People!

      “We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.”

      All elected officials would be paid the average wage of the people they represent. Example: The 2017 nominal median income per capita was $31,786. The mean income per capita was $48,150. The Census Bureau reports those in the Current Population Survey, Table PINC-01. Real median household income was $61,372.

      Move all federal retirement funds to Social Security. Make elected officials, and federal employees, retire on the same system as the rest of Americans.

      Abolish property tax, Federal and State Income tax and go to a flat tax of 10% on consumer purchases collected at point of purchase. Retain just enough Revenue Agents to make sure businesses remit all tax dollars to the treasury departments. (3% to Federal, 3% to State, 2% to County, and 2% City) If God can get by on 10% so can government.

      Replace the Federal Reserve System (a privately owned loan shark operation which has never been audited) with a United States Treasury System operated by Americans for Americans. Exchange Federal Reserve Notes for U.S. Treasury Currency backed by gold and silver reserves. Put a cap on spending and reckless borrowing.

      The Two Houses of Congress
      Congress is divided into two chambers, the Senate and the House of Representatives. The Senate is sometimes called the upper chamber and the House the lower chamber because the Founders thought that different sorts of people would be elected to these two bodies.

      While a census of the nation was not completed until 1790, the U.S. Census Bureau estimates that there were about 2.5 million people living in the United States’ original 13 States in 1776. Since then the nation has grown to more than 300,000,000 people in 50 states. Jul 3, 2016

    8. Any Demos reading the above comments have a big smile on their faces . Here we are fighting between ourselves. Just the type of disorganization antis relish.

    9. Ammo Land Viewers,
      As you may be aware, ERPOSs have passed in 14 states, with over a dozen states that have an active bill introduced . One bill has already been signed into law so far this year! These orders are designed to protect our loved ones while protecting law abiding citizens their right to bear arms. Some do oppose ERPOs’ and unfortunately, they will never accept or understand their importance: That is to save lives, and ensure the safety of Americans from harms way. I and the majority of Our People of this nation support ERPOS, along with our President and the NRA with conditions.
      This will be the last comment I will make on this particular post. I think it best to move on. We all as Americans strive to MAGA. Thank you.




      2. So by your line of thinking, since 17 states currently have Constitutional Carry laws, it should be nationwide. Now that’s something to get behind. The states stepping up to protect Constitutionally protected rights, not attempting to strip people of their God given rights. GWD you are free to give up everything for a false sense of security. As has been famously said, anyone willing to give up liberty for security, deserves neither. Stick your head back in the sand troll. Molon Labe!
        You are welcome.

      3. @Green Watch Dog

        Your lies wont fly here, sorry.

        ERPO’s are not about MAGA, they are about Making Americans Slaves Again.

        ERPO’s will never ever save lives. They are going to cost lives. Americans have a right to self defense and to keep and bear Arms. KEEP, and bear. There is no guaranteed right to safety.

        If you truly want to make America safer, go jump off a cliff and save the nation from your Stupidity.

        We will not comply.

      4. They need to be dragged out of bed at 3am and sat down in front of a Military Tribunal convened in their front lawns. Seems to me that they are in violation of:
        1) The Second Ammendment of the US Constitution.
        2) Felonious Perjury Laws
        3) 18 USC 241
        4) 18 USC 242
        5) TREASON–In collusion with others, they are waging a war against the Constitution, which they took an oath to uphold.

        And I am not a lawyer. I am willing to wager that a good lawyer could comb thru the law books and find a myriad of laws these muscreants are breaking. Seems to me that some should be punishable by death. I woyld think that if a few were seen swinging from a rope, the rest would shut up and move to another country they would prefer over the USA.

      5. The Answer: 3am Military Tribunals for the TRAITOR politicians who write these laws, on their front lawns. They broke their oaths. Cut off the head of the snake. GWD and his ilk will either put a sock in it, or run to another country to spread his UN Small Arms Treaty commie crap.

      1. Graham owns two AR15’s .Wonder if he will give them up. I can tell you this, he will lose in his next run for senate seat if takes a stance against the 2nd amendment. I am truly ashamed of him for his move to the far left on gun rights. MONEY TALKS !!!!!!!!!!!!!!! < 15 if you count them

      2. I always knew he was a pinko pantywaists faggot. He forgot to keep a stiff upper lip and a tight arseh*le. Betcha he has a fat Swiss account full of money he got for selling us out over the years. He should have gotten an envelope at Poppy Bush’s. Funeral, too. But don’t worry Lindsey, it’s never too late !

    10. So I can make a false claim against my neighbor and have his rights violated even if it’s temporary without any due process.Where does this even remotely seem plausible?By the way I would never make such a claim.

      1. Yes, then the person is guilty until they prove themselves innocent. There’s $100K in lawyer fees. After that the innicent person has to sue to get their arms back. Another $100K. (Only if the local authorities don’t destroy them first!

    11. Uhh c.schummer thinks hitler was great.wonder how many rhinos he shhok hands with and left some george soros $$$ in their palms? Change must happen quick before we drown

    12. Dear God,,,PLEASE LET THE SUPREME COURT GET HOLD OF THIS….ITS ALL UNCONSTITUTIONAL. Red flag is the VERY same thing HITLER did in Germany…having neighbors tell on other neighbors….Now with such a possible law will mean you are guilty of anything PRIOR TO BEING innocent……wow…wow…NEEDS TO BE STOPPED NOW….

      these sort of laws if ever put in place will cause a civil war in this country…

    13. Wow. I had thought he was one of the few that had some common sense. That he would not disavow his oath to defend the constitution of the United States. With turn coats like this, who needs demoncrats/socialists?
      While you can bet they are reading our mail here and logging our opinions, we must speak up. I figure this is a lot like John Hancock signing the declaration of independence so large that a blind man could read it. It is obvious to me that the second war for independence is on it’s way. If this were 1776 the rounds would already be flying. If world history is a lesson to be learned, the repeal of the second amendment will either cause the fall of the United States as a whole or it will cause one of, if not the, bloodiest times the world has seen to date. Freedom is worth living for, defending, killing for, warring for and even dying for. Tyranny and treason are worth fighting against, killing against etc. There is a legal, righteous penalty against treason and tyranny.
      Anyone who has any common sense should be stockpiling guns, ammo, food, water, clothing, survival gear etc. It appears that the government will not be standing up for what is right, defending our GOD given and constitutionally protected rights and freedoms, but will likely be actively hunting us down, robbing us of our freedoms and rights, incarcerating those it can capture and killing those it cannot. I would rather have peace but NOT at the expense of freedom.
      If someone is worried about their neighbor bearing arms, maybe they should visit a shrink or, better yet, visit a Church. It is what is inside people that makes them afraid.. They have no right to disarm their neighbor unless there has been a substantiated threat to their person. There MUST be witnesses to the threat and there MUST be SEVERE penalties for those who lie about any threat. Just as a tree is known by it’s fruit so are people known by their words, actions and inactions. Someone who shows up at my place to deprive me of my arms, ammo, magazines, gear and GOD given rights is no better or different than Bin Laden or his ilk. You will get the response I would give to any other terrorist attack. It doesn’t matter how you are dressed or who you say/think you are. If there must be war, let it happen in my generation so my children may know peace. I want peace, you want peace. Life is comfortable enough here in the States that loosing some freedom seems of little consequence but that is a socialist lie that has enslaved most of the world. If we surrender our second amendment rights, you can bet the rest of our rights will soon follow. Next comes slavery, starvation and no hope of anything better without armed resistance.
      Like at Boston and Concord, “they” get the first shot, or attack, or attempt at intimidation but after that, it’s on. Civil disobedience when possible. If forced???? Arm up, carry on.

    14. ERPOs are nothing but a smokescreen for gun confiscation.

      If the person is a threat, control the person, not things.

      If a person is a threat, why are only firearms confiscated? What about knives, gas cans, automobiles, ropes, and every other thing that can be used to harm oneself or others.

      This is America, the law is supposed to be that the state proves you guilty, not that you have to prove yourself innocent, at your cost.

    15. Graham is nothing but a buffoon. He is a rino by heart and a useless big mouth in the senate. He has never been a conservative. While you S Carolina gun positive people are looking for a Constitutional Carry vote, I have to ask you what the hell will you do with it if your cheesy senate mole takes your rights away by passing a national red flag law. Get your priorities straight. It is more important to maintain the rule of law THEN go after the condiments you desire. It is really too bad we have to be faced with this, but it is what it is. Florida is an almost gone state due to the snowbirds but put Rubio
      out to pasture, he is Cuban anyway and is trying to make the US like Cuba. Another buffoon.
      To GWD, you are a sickening specimen of a creature created by democrats and as full of it as a Christmas turkey. I don’t mean any disrespect to a turkey but your brain must be much smaller.

      1. Tom Cat,
        Have to disagree with you on this one. I admire Senator Graham. As he is a moderate Republican, I liked it when he compare himself with Reagan-style political values. A Republican with a sprinkling of independent values. In the next few years, expect our ERPOs to be adopted by more states. I know it is somewhat of a thorny issue with you and others, but with the majority majority of bipartisan support it should go national.

        1. @The Green Watch Dog

          Doesn’t matter if you disagree or agree. Graham is as far from Regan as Obama is as far from JFK. Graham is not moderate. The correct term is progressive.

          Again, ERPO’s are unconstitutional no matter who or how many support it, it is still illegal and violates constitutional law. That is fact, not because I say so, but because the Constitution says so. You would have to completely Amend and Repeal the entire Bill of Rights to make ERPO’s legal.

          And if you try to force it on us, you are going to achieve two things. You are going to get cops and innocent people like Gary J. Willis killed, and you are going to start a civil war.

          I’ve asked over a dozen times so far, and you have always avoided directly answering because you are a coward. How many millions of people are you willing to murder to force illegal ERPO’s on the country? If only 1 out of 10 gun owners like myself resist, that number comes out to 10-15 Million.

          How many million are you prepared to murder, you lying coward?

          1. The revelator,
            What do I have to do to you to absorbed that your hero, Gary J. Willis had a weapon in hand fighting with law enforcement? Oh, I know what you mean: Anyone who brandishes a weapon should be supported by the right to bear arms. Out at a sporting event, at a drive by, robbing grandma, robbing children of their girl scout cookies, or at a residence where law enforcement officers attempting to serve a warrant: Lets support our “Right To Bear Arms.

            1. @Green Watch Dog

              Even More attempts at lies, amazing.
              Robbing Grandma, Girl scouts, and shooting up a sporting event? Seriously, you are equating the second amendment to breaking the Law via theft and mass murder.

              You have succeeded in reaching a new level of severe mental retardation. Congratulations.

              Gary Willis had his gun in his hand. Can you prove he pointed it at the officers? No you cannot. He had a grip on it because he was not about to turn it over.

              But here is the biggest lie you are trying to push right now. Warrants produced by secret courts specifically to violate the Constitution. They are not legal and therefore not enforceable. Any police officer attempting to enforce a law that is in violation of the constitution is breaking the law. If a homeowner shoots three in self defense he is justified in doing so provided he has not committed any other crimes prior to the incident. It’s the same as Miranda Rights under Due Process. If Police break the law to obtain evidence, it has to be thrown out of court. You personally hate that the Constitution forbids this because you want your opinion to limit other peoples freedom.

              I do Support the right to bear arms, unlike you since you are supporting infringements against that right. You’re a lying coward who can’t answer the question that has been posed to you, and you hate that you can’t beat the arguments I have made against you.

              You are never going to change our minds here, and we will never comply with any ERPO law because those laws are criminal. Go Screw yourself, it seems to be the only thing you have balls enough to do as a lying coward. 🙂

            2. @ The Green Watch Dog

              Oh, and I decided not to wait for your next lie.

              See, What I just said about defending your home and property even against police when they break the law to enforce things that violate the constitution, there are already court cases that have defended that idea, and money awarded to the victims.

              I’m also the son of law enforcement, my father, mother, grandparents, and extended family working in every field of law enforcement from local, county, military, and federal levels. So no, any claims you make to try and paint me as anti LEO wont work either. 🙂 Enjoy

    16. The revelator,
      He is either grossly misinformed, intentionally deceives others, or both. He leaves out key issues whenever debating an issue.
      An example is the tragic death of Gary Willis. According to the police, The subject of the protective order, Gary J. Willis, answered his door with gun in his hand. He initially put the gun down next to the door, but picked the weapon up again. A fight then ensued over the gun according to a police spokeswoman. One of the officers struggled to take the gun from Willis, and during the struggle the gun fired but did not strike anyone, police said. At that point, the other officer fatally shot Willis, police said. The revelator, in a post below, writes how poor Gary was shot without cause.
      According to The revelator, anyone who has a gun, has the right to point his weapon at anyone, especially at police without just cause.
      Let us all pause and support The revelator. Show him the way to understanding.

      1. Howwwllll r ya doin 2day GWD?

        Ya still barkin up the wrong trees?

        @ REV doesn’t need my help to defend himself, but I do have one question for you!
        “Does your ass ever get jealous over all the shit coming out of your mouth?”

        We need a super pooper scooper for you and all your friends GWD.. Can’t hardly move a foot with out step-in in it!
        I’ve seen you have some reinforcements around here too.. those anti-Semitic, Jew hating, anti-2A supporters…
        All of them are trapped in their own corrupt philosophies! They pretend to be your friend, just long enough to lure you into a dialog, and drop their shit bombs..
        Guard your hearts people they love to attack/offend, and spiritually hook you, so they can reel you in like a fish for dinner!

        .. Liberty or Death!

        1. @Walter Goddard

          Yeah, the lying little pipsqueak has his soggy diaper all knotted up because he hasn’t been able to win an argument against me since he started back in December.

          You can almost hear his whimpering little mewls mixed with the spattering of his tears as he pounds out his pitiful replies with two fingers, waiting for mommy to come change his nappy. lol

          1. LMOA..

            Does that mean we have to keep wiping his chin, ignore his shit spewing grin, and feeding him organic Bloomburger pudding?
            …I draw the line at changing diapers though lol

            .. Liberty or Death!

        2. @Walter….You should get your facts straight before you make ignorant statements. KHAZARS HAVE NO SEMETIC DNA. Their ancestors never dipped a toe in the Holy Land (Palestine). They are not descended from Abraham. You are deluded in your thinking. It is the Khazarian Mafia that is behind the gun control movement.

          1. You probably believe, that I should be honored, to respond to your trash!
            Ronnie would say, “here we go again”!

            While I just dropped my drawers to honor you @ THC, answer this question while you’re crowing at the “moon”…
            Does your A** ever get jealous over all the Sh** coming out of YOUR MOUTH?

            Yeah, I love you Too!

      2. I’m curious, who is it that you think that you are fooling? You’ve always lied with your sourcing and misstatements. Initially you were an obvious left wing troll. Then you tried to pretend that you were a thoughtful middle-of-the-roader. Now it looks like you’re pretending to have a religious side. You’ve gone from being minimally amusing to being disgusting. You are not fooling anyone.

        1. @Dave in Fairfax

          Oh yes. GWD cries himself to sleep each night repeating “Ammoland Readers like me no matter what anyone says” over and over in a fetal position.

          Yeah, he started the Religious aspect back in January, thought if he used the word “Christianity” as a shield it would keep people from pointing out his lies. Twice now he has been schooled on this using Scriptural quotation. More than happy to provide both comments I wrote on it if you like. Per usual, he was unable to argue against either, and instead slunk off with his tail between his legs.

      3. @ The Green Watch Dog

        Wow, more lies from GWD, no surprise there. Lets examine them, and especially what GWD did not quote from the article.

        “According to The revelator, anyone who has a gun, has the right to point his weapon at anyone, especially at police without just cause.”

        Here is how this lie works. It’s a Strawman. Present only the idea that Gary Willis had a gun and then present the idea that he pointed it at police. One Problem with that, No where in the article he is quoting does it ever say Willis “Pointed his gun at police.” Insinuating that he did as a means of saying how horrible Willis was and myself for mentioning him is the main lie at this point.

        What it does say, according to the spokeswoman Jacklyn Davis, is that a Fight insued over “control of the gun”. Here is what the police stated timeline wise.

        1. 5:00 AM police bang on the door with an illegal confiscation order. Why is this important? Because people normally aren’t showing up at 5 AM in the dark for a friendly Visit.

        2. Willis shows up at the door with gun in hand and opens it to see who is banging on it. Again, from point one normal people don’t bang on a door in the dark at 5AM when most folks are waking up.

        3. Seeing the police, Willis puts the gun down because he is a law abiding citizen.

        4. Police inform him of the Red Flag order (This is were the police statements start to sound a little shady, as they claim he reclosed his door and picked his gun back up, then reopened the door. If you have any sense of “Understanding, which GWD does not, you would understand once the door is closed you don’t open it back up and make yourself a target if that is what happened. It’s pretty clear this is a false statement made by the police)

        5. Gary picks up his gun, “Irate” that someone is going to take his property when he has broken no laws. Would you be “Irate” or upset if someone showed up at your house and told you they are stealing your TV and electronics with you having no say in the matter? Gary’s reaction was justifiably normal.

        6. Police force their way in, putting hands on Gary to implement the ERPO by force, even though it is illegal for them to do so.

        7. Gary maintains his grip on his hand gun, and as police are trying to pull it from him by force, it discharges not hitting anyone.

        8. Seeing that Willis will not surrender to them STEALING HIS PROPERTY, police at this point shoot and kill Willis.

        9. After Gary’s is killed inside his own home, simply because he owned firearms and refused to let the police confiscate them without him having committed any crime at all, The Police Chief Timothy Altomare said that Gary’s death was a perfect example of a ERPO law working “as intended.” Here is his direct quote after he said that.

        “If you look at this morning’s outcome, it’s tough for us to say ‘Well, what did we prevent?’” he said. “Because we don’t know what we prevented or could’ve prevented. What would’ve happened if we didn’t go there at 5 a.m.?”

        Gee, ya think? You don’t show up when it is dark outside as a way of intentionally provoking a confrontation so you can say later that “Surprise was needed”. Also, “Even though he committed no crimes before, we cant be sure we didn’t prevent something”. Third, Claiming that anyone who resists, even though ERPO’s are breaking the law and it is criminal for police to try and enforce them, will be killed and that that “is the proper outcome of an ERPO.”

        This is Green Watch Dog’s way of saying if you try to tell him no about him wanting to control your rights, he is empowering people to break…. Sorry, splinter is his new favorite word.. Splinter your door and shoot you in the head because you dared to tell him no and used facts like the constitution to prove it.

        Guarantee the lying little pantywaist is rubbing his palms together at the idea that he could make an anonymous call to send someone to my house to shoot me in the head.. Oh wait, he already did admit to that last week. 🙂

        1. Anyone who tries to break down my door is there to kill me and my family. They will think John Wick and Carlos Hathcock somehow bred. A jury can sort out the survivors.

      4. @ Green Rat Fink Byte
        You argue just like the progressive you are. We are law abiding citizens who know the rights we are endowed by our creator includes being able to defend ourselves against all enemies, both foreign and domestic. When someone arbitrarily kicks your door in with guns drawn that is a point of defence that we are endowed with. If you are one, and you have said so, that calls the cops and gets their adrenalin up then you are a swatter and a murderer by your actions. Rev. has been trying to explain the many Amendments to the Constitution that is being broken by these red flag laws but you are to thick headed to understand. This country is not Venezuela or any of the other countries that are plundered by a power hungry dictator. IF THAT IS WHAT YOU ARE LOOKING FOR, YOU NEED TO LOOK OUTSIDE THIS COUNTRY. You are no smarter than any of us and , in fact you are a stool pigeon and a progressive. You keep trying to change people’s minds into being the same as you, misery loves company, and you don’t want to be alone. Please take note that I said we are law abiding citizens of the United States of America and that we have defended this country before and will again because we have taken an oath to do so. You, I’m sure not so much.

    17. To the NRA administration, those gun owners who don’t support the fight for the 2nd Amendment, to the 2-faced politicians and those who advocate following the “rules” of the broken corrupt election system we have, I quote Samuel Adams, “If ye love wealth better than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, go home from us in peace. We ask not your council or your arms. Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you. May your chains set lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that ye were our countrymen.”

      1. @JPM

        Nice to see That quote again. It’s what was in my mind during the previous weeks when I told Green Watch Dog “That he may be a Citizen of the US, but he is not an American”

        Remember also Alexis de Tocqueville
        “When the taste for physical gratifications among them has grown more rapidly than their education . . . the time will come when men are carried away and lose all self-restraint . . . . It is not necessary to do violence to such a people in order to strip them of the rights they enjoy; they themselves willingly loosen their hold. . . . they neglect their chief business which is to remain their own masters.”

          1. @Mart3

            Well, it may have been a rerun. History repeats itself my friend.

            We went to war over confiscatory taxes, government over regulation/oppression, and confiscation of arms. Looking like round 2 is coming up.

    18. I’ve worked in mental health for over 20 years. These actions are already on the books in all 50 states in one form or another. I’ve enacted 100’s of them myself. You are being fooled if you think it’s a new thing.
      These jokers are just rebranding, and extending in some cases.
      More evidence for the case of using honey instead of vinegar. Stop cussing and threatening people in the fight to protect our rights, or you might be getting the proverbial knock at your door. Then what good will you be to anyone? Use your noggin, fight the fight from within.

      1. THANK YOU!
        You’re exactly right!
        Cussing and jumping up and down and making threats and big movements with your arms through a debate DESTROYS your credibility to others. We’ve got to out smart them at their own game. Calm down, keep temperament in check and STRIKE! (With debating words and facts)
        Hopefully the ill-educated masses will wake up and see the truth.

      2. So Cliff, you’re advocating rolling over and playing dead and using the same busted system that created the problem in the first place to fix it? You’ve enacted 100s of gun confiscation orders yourself? Sounds like you’re the one needing mental health assistance. You’re obviously on the wrong side of this debate, you’re a troll or you’re just not too bright and belong in the Democratic Party.

    19. It passed the full Congress, but the Senate let S.446 – Constitutional Concealed Carry Reciprocity Act of 2017 sit with no activity for a year.
      Then in December 2018 the Republican Senate just simply continue to do nothing, and the day for National Constitutional Concealed Reciprocity expired.

      1. I’ve seen football bats, 3 dollar bills and sissies that are straighter and more masculine than Graham. He was “butt buddies” with McCain and now it looks like he’s been swappin’ spit with Bloomberg and is finally “coming out” showing his true colors as a closet Democrat and liberal.

    20. Message to all Congress Personnel: If you pass these stupid “Red lag Laws” we will vote you out of office at the next election. Your replacements will have to repeal / undo the stupidity.

      1. We should have realized this past mid-terms voting DOESN’T work. It doesn’t matter any longer who we vote in, someone has got them by the balls either through blackmail, personal threats or other ways to force them to go along with the anti-Constitutional bills being passed.

    21. Lindsey Gram-nasty has always been a most worthless RINO,not surprised by his move in the least,I was rather suspecting it.
      Some yahoo in a post about a month ago told me I was clueless when I posted that Graham would do just what he has ,now who is clueless.

    22. I support what the National Rifle Association (NRA) supports on this issue as well:
      As stated by Jennifer Baker, spokesperson for the NRA:
      “Nobody wants dangerous people to have access to firearms, which is why the NRA supports risk protection orders with adequate due process protections and ensure those adjudicated to be dangerously mentally ill receive treatment. The NRA believes that any effort should be structured to fully protect the Second Amendment rights of law-abiding citizens while preventing truly dangerous individuals from accessing firearms. We will only support an [Emergency Risk Protection Order] process that strongly protects both Second Amendment rights and due process rights at the same time.”
      Overwhelmingly, the majority of Americans “Trumps” protecting our loved ones with this life saving issue. I have stated repeatedly my stand on this and I will continue to do so. Our 2nd Amendment President does as well.

      1. @The Green Watch Dog

        You support violations against the Constitution along with the NRA… Big Surprise. As has been pointed out elsewhere trump is not “Pro 2a” while he is violating the second amendment and Article 1 Section 1 of the Constitution.

        You are not a Second Amendment Supporter plain and Simple, because ERPO’s are a Violation of the 2nd, 4th, 5th, 6th, 7th, 8th, and 9th amendments. This has been pointed out to you time after time since December.

        The moment you support ERPO’s/Red Flag laws, you are Anti 2A by definition.

        GWD. Still a lying, cowardly Cur.

      2. For those wondering, here is the big lie in this rendition of GWD’s comment this time around via the NRA spokes demon.

        “We will only support an [Emergency Risk Protection Order] process that strongly protects both Second Amendment rights and due process rights at the same time.”

        An ERPO is antithetical to Due Process. To have an ERPO, it must by definition of its action Violate Due process, and the above mentioned enumerated rights from the Bill of Rights. Here is how

        1. The Accused is not informed of the hearing, which is held in secret.
        2. The Accused is not given opportunity to defend himself in court prior to conviction,
        2.1 – This is “Guilty before proven innocent”, a reversal of our legal system and constitution
        3. The Accused is not allowed to know of his accuser.
        4. The Accused is not charged with a crime or convicted prior to confiscation of property.
        5. The Accused is forced to pay costly legal bills to try and get his rights and property returned with no reimbursement
        6. After confiscation, the Accused who is supposed to be a mental danger, is left unsupervised and among society with no arrest
        7. if you say no to allowing entry for confiscation you can expect to be murdered.

        All of the above are violation of due process protections in the bill of rights. You cannot have ERPO’s without violating due process, it is not possible. Anyone who says different is lying through their teeth. How is it lying? Because we already have a process which follows due process, but GWD wont tell you about that even though I and others have confronted him with it previously. It’s called “court ordered mental health evaluation” or “Mental Adjudication”, the process by which a court may order the arrest and confinement of an Individual for examination if they are a threat to themselves or others. This is the due process approved method, But Gun Control supporters like GWD wont tell you about that.

        If you ask them about it, they will more than likely hit you with another lie… “It’s too slow, that’s why we need ERPO’s!” I have not met one who can answer how it is slower to have an individual arrested and under supervision instead of being left in public if they truly are a threat though. Funny how that works…

        Green Watch Dog is about one thing and one thing only. Confiscation and violating the Constitution. His mouth is full of lies, and his soul is evil.

        1. The revelator,
          Let me scold, I mean provide you facts on one issue: The accuser must first fill out a form (with evidence) citing the danger(s) to himself or others. What is called a court of law will then hold a hearing. The judge will or will not agree that the individual is a threat. Their gun will be temporary taken away from their warm hands for a period of time. That time period is @14 days to one year.
          Again, With supporting data from unbiased sources the majority polled supports ERPOs.
          I will admit “The revelator” that the majority of viewers (91%) posting on Ammo Land do not support ERPOs. That error is @ +/- 90%. :))))))

          1. @The Green Watch Dog

            There is a name for that form. It’s legally called “Hear-say”. There is no level maintained on evidence beyond the baseless claim. Under ERPO’s the excuse is “Well they might commit a crime, we don’t know….”

            It’s already claimed its first victim Gary J. Willis, Murdered because he said no and resisted after he opened his door when someone was banging on it at 5AM. So, what evidence was presented to the court. Interestingly enough when asked, “A spokeswoman for the Maryland Judiciary denied a request to see any and all requests for protection orders made at the residence on Linwood Avenue, citing the law, which states that anything related to an order is confidential unless the court rules otherwise.”

            What we do know as the cause comes from his niece, who said her Aunt filed it against Gary because he was an outspoken and opinionated person, and had offended her, so the aunt filed on him to have his guns confiscated. So now a man is dead at the order of a judge when he didn’t commit any crime, he just told the government “You can’t take my rights”

            Now remember, People like me won’t be opening our doors.

            Now I love that you stated a Judge, not a jury, will decide, at a hearing which the individual targeted is not informed of or allowed to be present at. As you just admitted, there is no crime that has occurred, it is just if the judge decides based on one person saying they “Think” possibly with ulterior motives.

            Again, since you seem to know nothing about facts or how they work….
            1. The 2nd Amendment (Keep and Bear Arms)
            2. The 4th Amendment (Security of personal belongings against seizure)
            3. The 5th Amendment (Right to know your accuser, and due process)
            4. The 6th Amendment (Right to act in your own defense, and have your case heard promptly)
            5. The 7th Amendment (Right to trial by jury)
            6. The 8th Amendment (No Excessive punishments~IE losing your rights without committing a crime)
            7. The 9th Amendment (Individual rights may not be infringed upon just because they are not listed in exact detail at any level of Government)

            ERPO’s Violate all of the above, since all of the above restrict the government from acting, ERPO’s are illegal. Thanks to the Supremacy Clause, its not just illegal for The Federal Government to make them, its illegal for the states to as well, and for the courts..

            As stated before, you are a liar, a proponent of gun control and confiscation. It doesn’t matter if you say “We only limit it to a year”(for now), the Bill of Rights says ERPO’s are illegal. Neither you, nor the Government, the state governments, cities, judges, anybody has a right or ability to restrict a person’s rights for a year or even a day without them being charged with, and then convicted of a crime. Pre-emption is forbidden by the constitution, that’s why we have due process.

            Thank you for once again demonstrating your complete lack of honesty, morals, and generally just making an idiot out of yourself as you once again openly admit to the lie.

            1. You are right on brother again it is called our constitution as you so aptly and exactly stated Amen and Amen

        2. I have to totally agree with you Revelator. The laws they are trying to pass make you a criminal without solid proof. Hearsay is not admissible in a court of law now and it should remain that way.
          I really care not what these other posters think if it is against what I believe. As far as I’m concerned anyone that likes anything that makes someone guilty without physical proof is pretty much brain dead. A lot of us defended the ignorant people’s rights to be ignorant and I still stand by my oath even if it was years ago. But that still doesn’t make what they think any smarter.
          I myself have no firearms, not even black powder. But I still want the right to own them without someone seeing me carry it into the house and calling the police because I told them to keep their dog poop out of my yard. And that’s exactly what it boils down to.

          1. @Jimbo66

            Succinctly put. I for one, support your right to choose what is right for you, and like you stand by an oath to protect individual liberty.

            Of course it is for that very same reason that GWD is evil, because people who tell him he has no right to control their rights and abilities to make choices for themselves he thinks have to be controlled or killed. I have no qualms or hesitations whatsoever in using any means to defend myself against such people even if they have a piece of metal on their chest.

            I tip my hat to you sir, thank you for keeping your oath.

      3. Hasn’t the SCOTUS already settled this? Our government does not represent the people. Instead of putting anything on a ballot that they may lose the do an end run around us the taxpayers and enact a law that turns people instantly into criminals. Do you really think that they won’t use this law to confiscate law abiding citizens guns? That’s the only guns they know where to find. They won’t confiscate illegal guns because they don’t have the names and addresses of those.

      4. TGWD, and yet none of the ERPOs that have passed provide any due process nor due process protections. So you then must agree that ERPOs are unconstitutional and bad. Our current president is not a 2A president, since he believes in a bump stock ban and ERPOs. You are an E5, based on the scale that Wild Bill spoke of recently.

        1. @Heed the Call-up

          Bingo, good call…

          But seriously, E5???? I would have thought he qualifies as an F6 for sure.

          (For those not as smart as Heed the Call, Wild Bill, and a few others….. Ok, namely the idiot Green Watch Dog lacking in mental facilities as he is, 6 is military slang for your back porch, where Green Watch dog has spent the last three months cramming his head as far up inside of his own as to use his skull in the manner of a womans personal marital implement, hence the letter F designation.) I’m sure GWD will let me know if I need to explain the joke in even simpler terms, precipitated by his usual whining and crying concerning mean language of course.

          1. Thanks for educating me @ Rev..

            I didn’t know what the designations were about 🙂
            The closest I’ve personally gotten to joining the service was taking an entrance exam for the Marines, scoring an 82..
            I didn’t join; and went to work for 4 times minimum wage in 79, instead of becoming one of the few, one of the proud…. Marines!

            1. @Walter Goddard

              My father was in the Corps. I was kept from joining any branch thanks to my two bum knees. Self Deteriorating to the point I had to have my first surgery just after entering highschool. Technically I’m an official 4F. I however have sworn an oath to defend our constitution much the same as our servicemen, against foreign invaders, and especially domestic enemies like Green Watch Dog.

              I’ll let Wild Bill fill you in on his scale system and the meaning behind the E5.

          2. Thanks @ Rev.. I’m responding to you up here, no reply link below…

            I’ll look forward to Wild Bill telling me about it..
            The only similar designations I’ve heard of were for rank…
            Sorry to hear you suffer with bum knees, but you sure do well with the academics.

            I don’t know what my Grandfather’s Naval: Frogman rank was, but I could always count on a swimming lesson during visits. My Uncle’s rank in Germany, was an Army: Master Sgt.. He was spared from deployment to Nam.
            My Mom’s older brother was the Chief Cook on the Admiral’s ship of the fleet. I think my oldest brother, who did both tours in the Persian Gulf, (Desert Storm/Shield), was a Corporal.

            He didn’t get to play with dust devils though.. Too many brains to play with.. So he sat in an air conditioned trailer, in Signal Corp.. programming satellite comms. for Washington-Suadi Arabia. Some of you on here might have known him, if you were over there.

            He’s too damned smart to talk English, walk and chew gum at the same time, but he can speak math like I breathe lol.
            I got an: A in college algebra with a 95% on the comp. final, a B in stats, and I still can’t understand my brother explain short cuts in Algebra..
            He was doing Calc. in the 3rd grade.. The only branch of service he could join was the Army; because he’s legally blind with out his coke bottle glasses lol

          3. Rev, I was using the Intelligence source and information reliability scales, where “E” is Unreliable, lacks authenticity, trustworthiness, and competency. History of invalid information; and 5 is improbable, not logical, contradicted by other relevant information; “F” is reliability unknown, and 6 is difficult to say, the validity of the information can not be determined. That is why he is E5, a liar.

        1. @Robert J. Lucas

          Awwww….. You mean Green Watch Dog will have to go back into the padded room for the men in the clean white coats? Say it isn’t so.. 🙂

      1. I am sorry as well. I voted for this RINO hack the first time he ran and never since. If I hear one more cuckservative ramble on about how awesome Graham 2.0 is, I’ll puke all over them. Big deal, he had a couple of good soundbites at the Kavanaugh hearings. Remember, this POS gleefully voted to confirm Sotomayor and Kagan. He’s also an “F” rated Senator on Conservative Review’s report card. Then there’s the whole Gang of Eight amnesty circle jerk with friends McStain, Marco the fag, Schumer, Durbin etc.

    23. Red flag laws in more than a dozen states remind me of the pitiful General Bernard Montgomery’s Operation Market Garden. Eisenhower allowed his foolishness deemed by most to have been doomed for lack of analysis and planning. It simply overreached. The analogy is red flag laws also reach too far. They ignore the need for psychiatric diagnoses from both the state and the defendant. Failure to require psychiatric reports relegates the decision to judges and law officers regarding whether the accused is unbalanced or not. Amateur diagnoses such as these also are foolish and doomed.

      It would be much more in keeping with U.S. jurisprudence to arrest and detain the accused for 24-72 hours during which psychiatric services could be employed. And if the accused is found to be a danger to self or others, the incarceration could be extended through a trial. If determined not to be dangerous, by diagnoses or trials, accused parties could be released with apologies from the state. Disposition of firearms owned by those found guilty would be decided in the same trial. Normally, they would be awarded to heirs qualified to possess firearms. Of course, if acquitted, any costs to the accused would be refunded.

    24. Bloomberg and et al, have been planning this “firestorm” for quite some time… Can you hear them laughing at us?
      All the courts, and legislators, are being hit at the same time, having been queued for docket..

      Let’s not all get rattled by it.
      We can’t stop it YET, only fight and wait until the dust settles…

      This is just the beginning. Now is the time to plan, work it out, and show restraint with patience.
      Let’s not give them any more “ammo” against us!

      They might even be recording the angry outbursts, to Red Fag us later!

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