Massive Gun Control Bill HR7910 Passes House, Bans Magazines and More

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U.S.A.-(AmmoLand.com)-– On Wednesday, June 8, 2022, the House of Representatives passed H.R. 7910, euphemistically titled “Protecting Our Kids Act,” 223 for to 204 against. The bill was passed primarily along party lines, with Democrats and Republicans voting against it.

The bill is a collection of long-standing Progressive efforts to restrict people from having access to some of the most popular rifles and shotguns in the country.

As has become the norm, Progressives are using a rare, emotional event to push sweeping legislation across the finish line, which could not be done through reasoned debate.

This is precisely the opposite of how legislative decisions should be made. It maximizes the power of the Media to control legislation through emotional manipulation.  The Congressional Budget Office lists the primary effects of the legislation. From the Congressional Budget Office (cbo.com):

H.R. 7910 would change federal gun laws by creating new federal crimes and expanding federal firearms regulations. Specifically, the bill would:

  • Raise the purchasing age for semiautomatic rifles from 18 to 21;
  • Ban the import, sale, manufacture, transfer, and possession of large-capacity ammunition feeding devices;
  • Establish new federal crimes for gun trafficking and straw purchases;
  • Require gun owners to meet residential gun storage requirements and establish criminal penalties for violating those requirements;
  • Require registration of existing bump-stock-type devices under the National Firearms Act and bar the manufacture, sale, or possession of new bump-stock-type devices for civilian use; and
  • Change the definition of “ghost gun” and require background checks on all firearm sales.

Having quickly read the bill, this correspondent notes the bill also raises the purchasing age for semi-auto shotguns. The broad language of the bill would have far-reaching effects. From the bill:

 “(B) any semiautomatic centerfire rifle or semiautomatic centerfire shotgun that has, or has the capacity to accept, an ammunition feeding device with a capacity exceeding 5 rounds, to any individual who the licensee knows or has reasonable cause to believe has not attained 21 years of age and is not a qualified individual…”

The bill would grandfather in existing “large-capacity” ammunition feeding devices.  This shows how ineffective this measure would be. There are hundreds of millions of magazines with a capacity of more than five rounds existing in the United States.

In the “gun trafficking” section, the bill bans the gift of firearms between anyone but closely related family members.

The bill would require all firearms, except those legally in existence prior to 1968, to have a government-mandated serial number. Privately made firearms that do not have government-approved serial numbers would become contraband.

The bill places “bump stocks,” into the same category as National Firearms Act items such as machine guns, short barreled rifles and shotguns, and silencers.

The sale of all firearms would require approval through the government before being consummated, essentially eliminating the private sale of firearms.  As all firearms other than those manufactured before December 1968, which were not required to have serial numbers, would be required to have a government-approved serial number installed, this creates a potential registration system.

There are some less prominent parts of the bill. It creates a fund for “buy-backs” of ammunition feeding devices. “Buy back” is an Orwellian term. Most of those items were never owned by the government to begin with, so they cannot be “bought back”.

The bill expands the definition of an “undetectable firearm” to any “major component” which is “undetectable” by the previous standards and exempts government agents from penalties for possession of “undetectable firearms”. This may effectively outlaw composite receivers and may outlaw some carbon fiber barrels with a liner.

The bill mandates “safe storage” of firearms in homes where anyone under the age of 18 is living.

Commentary:

The overall thrust of the bill is to put the federal government firmly in control of the ownership and sale of firearms in the United States, effectively nullifying the Second Amendment.

The bill seems unlikely to pass the Senate. The votes of 60 senators would be required to overcome the Senate filibuster rule.

The danger is some Republicans would cave to the Media pressure to “do something”, which always seems to move toward total government control.


About Dean Weingarten:

Dean Weingarten has been a peace officer, a military officer, was on the University of Wisconsin Pistol Team for four years, and was first certified to teach firearms safety in 1973. He taught the Arizona concealed carry course for fifteen years until the goal of Constitutional Carry was attained. He has degrees in meteorology and mining engineering, and retired from the Department of Defense after a 30 year career in Army Research, Development, Testing, and Evaluation.

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Arny

So my response from Pat Toomey got flagged. Or was it about naming companies that helped to influence Del elections ?lol

swmft

guess the umbrella stand by the door with a rifle and twelve gauge is not to their liking

RC

Where did the 18Y/O get the monies to purchase two very expensive AR-15s , 3000 rounds of 223 and a Ford F-150. That is the head of the snake. Why is it these shooting seem to occur when the Democrats wants to enact new gun laws. Why do we have increase more street shooting for no reason. No gang activity just spray rounds.

Arny

It was his grandmothers 2012 F-150 after someone ran the plate. But the other questions remain unanswered. And I read it was a 1,000 rds of ammo. Suspected stolen credit card from family member is a guess. But how did he use it without raising a few flags from someone is odd. Hell my bank flags my card when I use it out of state. But with credit cards I have yet to have this problem. And I have never let someone else use my CC, so I’m not sure if it would flag them or not.

swmft

banks are funny citi let a 22.500$ charge from dell on my card and flagged me for a 1.25 coffee and doughnut on cape cod the dell was a drop ship to Russia and that they let go through needless to say I dont use citi for anything

Twodoor

For the guns and ammo he bought them using the money he earned working at Wendys. He lived with his grandmother. Easy enough to save up money even with a fastfood job when you have no bills. He had been planning this for quite some time. This has been in ALL of the news sites. Of course probably had credit card as well. That’s easiest way to buy something on internet.

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Russn8r

Thanks. Got a source/link for that? I’m sick of conspiracy theories that fail to consider Occam’s Razor alternatives, no self-skepticism, no research, speculation & guesses become assumed facts in the same post, then forwarded endlessly by the kind of chumps who fell for Q-anon then for provocateurs on 1/6. Often the enemy doesn’t even have to psy-punk us, since we do it for them. It’s hardly surprising that an 18-yr-old living off granny could easily save enough for the guns, ammo etc, and that a psycho with no kids – committed to planning a massacre he knows will be last… Read more »

swmft

because he was working he would have gotten the government money too , and you can bet they dont want that pointed out , a friend of mines son received two checks that he got because the school job he was doing for his scholarship was shut down with on line only he actually had to go to work for one semester and was almost only one beside campus police there
im glad none of these nuts have figured an ar10 would kill more and go through walls and other barriers making for larger field of kill

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Russn8r

Good point on the “free” gvt covid cash. I forgot about that.

swmft

there are several interviews with former coworkers from the wendy’s the best info says he bought 375 rounds of ammo which would have been some type of bulk ,as 223 or 5.56 is normally sold by 20 count packs most of that was left in a backpack second gun was left in truck so whatever ammo he had on him was likely what fit in the mags he bought no reloading
the bbc article seems to be the best written and researched

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Russn8r

What bbc article?

swmft

he got money from the last government give away there is part of it, if he worked any after he turned 16 he got both giveaways

Arny

That does seem logical. But I’m ALMOST 100% sure I read he used a credit card to purchase the firearms. I’ll see if I can find the article. If the article is 100% factual. So how did he get a CC ?

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swmft

they target school age people ,have been for years , if his parrents cosigned when he was 14 when he turned 18 would have crazy good credit likely as much as 10,000. have a friend who’s daughter got in credit trouble that way she was good when she was at home when she went to collage ran up almost 40k and little of that was school debt so bankruptcy followed graduation she is 10 years out now and does not have one cc

Chuck

Hopefully, it dies in the Senate. Otherwise, Democrats could very well trigger Civil War 2.0. This bill and its provisions are clearly Infringements on the 2nd Amendment.
I do believe it’s time for We the People to put DC in order. Clean the Septic Tank it has become.

swmft

would take some awful strong caustic soda to clean up dc ,and a vat the size of Delaware

Lysander Spooner

Or we could just, you know…not do any of that. We could also stop recognizing their authority altogether. I mean, that’s what the guns are for right?

Arny

No they just for hunting & self defense, SOMETIMES according to my Senator. lol Dear Michael, Thank you for contacting me about the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives (ATF). I appreciate hearing from you. Like many Pennsylvanians, I have long been a supporter of the Second Amendment. Americans have an individual right to bear arms for self-protection, hunting, and recreation. During my time in the Senate, I have consistently defended Second Amendment rights. For instance, I have voted against a ban on certain semi-automatic firearms and for national concealed carry reciprocity. That said, I also believe that firearms… Read more »

StLPro2A

For the umpteenth time…..Politicians with laws never stop bad guys with guns. They only control the good guys, which is their true agenda.  The late Col Jeff Cooper commented in 1958, “Killing is a matter of will, not means. You cannot control the intent by passing laws about the means.”  “That is why our masters in Washington are so anxious to disarm us. They are not afraid of criminals. They are afraid of a populace which cannot be subdued by tyrants.” – the late Col Jeff Cooper. If we are going to punish the innocent for the crimes of the guilty,… Read more »

swmft

not just politicians but out of control “civil servants”need to hang

3manfan

It’ll die in the Senate.

Big George

I know, I know...The NRA...BUT…there is a good article from the NRA Prez regarding armed citizens here and the citizens of Ukraine in the current (July?) Rifleman Magazine.

pureamericana

IMHO , seems the Democrat Party more concerned about an armed population that could take the country and remove corrupt Communist minded
politicians . Americans will not comply at some point when we realize what the (D) party is all about.

2gats

Pass it. Pass full confiscation. Move to the end game.

so the F*** what?

reap the whirl wind.

2gats

BRING IT ON NOW, That my children will live in peace.

swmft

I haz a lawn mower and willing to cut asses

uncle dudley

The democrats and a few rino’s that voted for this bill is like the old farmer who closed the barn door after the cow already got out. kind of late.
With somewhere near 400 million firearms in the U.S. all the new laws on the books will not stop a crazy person from getting their hands on a particular gun and committing a horrible crime.
We don’t need any new laws just enforce what’s already there.

Big George

When I used to lecture CJ at our local State University, I’d have all the students stand up from their desks, and tell them that all desks were now banned by the U.S. Congress as ‘AD’s’…ASSAULT DESKS! It made a quick point for my talk on ‘gun control’!

swmft

how long did it take the first ,but there are thousands of desks all over campus? light to come on

swmft

the number given is based on sales after 1968 so all that came before is free-float guns that have changed hands in families and traded or sold between friends ,how many bring backs from ww1 and 2 korea and nam my dad filled a b17 he and a few friends they were not the only ones , have a friend on rosebud reservation with a f4d it is in flying condition bet non of that is counted. there was a standoff in 1974 that the government blamed on insolent Indians the natives will not be made slaves bet they are… Read more »

Happy Everafter

The RINOs are more afraid of what some moronic marxist might tweet than their own constituents…

Country Boy

“The state must declare the child to be the most precious treasure of the people. As long as the government is perceived as working for the benefit of the children, the people will happily endure almost any curtailment of liberty and almost any deprivation.”
― Adolf Hitler

Roland T. Gunner

I don’t believe for a minute that we who love our guns and our freedom are in the minority, but even if we were; what hsppened to the premis that our Constitution protected the rights of the minority from being voted away by the majority? I don’t care how many hairy legged, hair on fire, fearful suburban soccer moms don’t think I need a “weapon of war”, it’s my right to have them; all of them, as many as I want.

Arizona

Burn down the phone lines to the capital. Tell your senators to block every gun restriction, ban, magazine restriction or ban, red flag law, age changes, BGC changes, etc. it isn’t a gun issue, but a lack of insane asylums and failure to use current laws issue. And FJB

Roland T. Gunner

Senator John Cornyn does not give a rat’s ass what his constituents here in Texas want (or dont want). His offices stopped answering the phones to silence dissent.

Mac

Cornyn sucks. He is a Dem in disguise selling himself as a centrist, centrist my backside. Get rid of this worthless jerk.

totbs

Yeah, that’ll work with Patty Murray and Maria Cantwell of WA ST. NOT!

JSNMGC

You can call and influence people in other states. Have you called Lummis? Her vote will affect you and she is listening to phone calls. Cynthia Lummis (senator from Wyoming) ran on being 100% pro firearm rights. It didn’t take long for her to waver: https://www.businessinsider.com/gop-senator-uturn-gun-law-stance-after-being-flooded-calls-2022-6 She is open to being influenced by phone calls. You can reach her staff at:  Senator Cynthia Lummis (202) 224-3424   The person may indicate that Lummis put out a statement indicating the CNN reporting was false. That’s not true. The CNN headline was misleading, but the words were true and Lummis did… Read more »

john

Republicans have already caved the democrats need to be stopped. There is not one congressman or women talking about how the legal system as failed with the democrats soft on crime, Protecting the leftist flat earth progresive has become all they care about.

Putting the fear of law and order with the death penalty for all who chose to attack those that are children the disabled and the defenceless would be a better finish than this legislation.

November 2022 we must win the country back or face a marxist government.

JSNMGC

5 Republicans voted for the bill:

  • Fitzpatrick (PA)
  • Gonzalez (OH)
  • Jacobs (NY)
  • Kinzinger (IL)
  • Upton (MI)

1 Republican did not vote:

  • Hollingsworth (IN)

https://clerk.house.gov/Votes/2022245

Stag

Over the past two days the following traitors voted to violate their oaths and our rights.

Ken Calvert-California
Brian Fitzpatrick-Pennsylvania
Anthony Gonzalez-Ohio
Chris Jacobs-NY
Dave Joyce-Ohio
John Katko-NY
Adam Kinzinger-Illinois
Nicole Malliotakis-NY
Maria Elvira Salazar-Florida
Chris Smith-NJ
Mike Turner-Ohio
Fred Upton-Michigan
David Valadao-California

This includes the red flag bill voted on today.

JSNMGC

Thanks.

I’ll add that Cynthia Lummis – WY (hard to write that) is on the waiting list. She needs to issue a statement and indicate she has considered the input from people calling her office and has decided she does not support any further restrictions on firearm rights.

For those people who would like to spend 5 minutes to influence her, her staff can be reached at:

Cynthia Lummis
(202) 224-3424

Stag

Done

JSNMGC

Thank you!

When I called the staffer indicated that Lummis was correct, a lot of calls had been received requesting more gun control (far more than the number of calls urging no further gun control). She was evasive about the truth to the CNN article, but then she came right out and indicated Lummis is listening to the people who call and may support some form of gun control (she didn’t call it that).

Russn8r

Check out the gun grabber bot posse downvotes on ACTION posts.

JSNMGC

No comment at this time.

Cruiser

So, one coward (Hollingsworth) did not vote at all?

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JSNMGC

He didn’t vote. I don’t know if he abstained or if it was an excused absence.

Ope

This bullshit will never pass the senate. No way no how.

Russn8r

Hope you’re right. There’s a lot of traitor RINOs in the Senate.

JSNMGC

The Senate has their own bill thanks to:

  • Cornyn
  • Tillis
  • Blunt
  • Burr
  • Cass­idy
  • Collins
  • Graham
  • Portman
  • Romney­
  • Toomey

The House will probably say the Senate bill doesn’t go far enough.

Red flag laws will be coming to every state that doesn’t have strong state legislators (the “encouragement” from the federal government will probably include financial incentives). This was something Trump suggested in 2018.

john

We have learned that when it comes to voting those on these list can not be trusted. Election Fraud & voter fraud is now the new political elites way of not having to reach across the aisle.

Russn8r

The “shuffle” & “hustle” games they play are still there. Uniparty decides who can/will vote for & against to get it done with minimal backlash.

All Ds can vote for. MAYBE not Sinema & Manchin, even Tester, in pro-gun states with elections soon enough for heavy backlash.

Recently reelected RINOs like Cornyn with 6yrs left can vote for it & count on us forgetting.

RINOs planning to retire don’t give a flying F, can’t be relied on.

If they really want it they can get 60 cloture votes. Worse, only need 51 to eliminate filibuster & pass by simplemajority.

Last edited 17 days ago by Russn8r
JSNMGC

I met Lummis three times in person prior to the Republican primary and each time asked her questions about policy. I was one of six people who, together, interviewed this candidate prior to the primary. His answers were less equivocal than those from Lummis, but I did get the impression he was saying what he thought we wanted to hear: https://ballotpedia.org/Bryan_Miller Since he was willing to go on the record with good answers, we supported him. We went door to door handing out summaries of his policy positions (we created the position papers based on the interview). He was doing… Read more »

Russn8r

How many X must he betray the USA-1st pro-gun base till Trump-worshipers wise up? Oz for F’s sake?

DeSantis/Noem 24

JSNMGC

Trump endorsed Hageman as well and, so far, she has not commented on the remarks by Lummis (despite some encouragement to do so).

Russn8r

Downvoters LOVE being betrayed by RINOs, PROVIDED they’re Trump-endorsed RINOs.

JSNMGC

[Chuckle]