What the Hell is an Oath Keeper?

By Jim Pope, Captain, Columbus Police Department, Columbus, GA

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USA –  -(Ammoland.com)- I recently had my first article published on Ammoland.com titled “Personal Defense Weapon for Everyday Police Carry”.

The comments started coming in. Some positive, some negative.

What surprised me was that there some positive and negative from both what I perceived as conservative commentors and liberal commentors. How could this be I wondered.

A couple of things became abundantly clear from the comments.

One, people were making assumptions about me as both an individual and as a police officer and these assumptions were apparently based on their preconceived notions about people that are pro- gun and law enforcement in general.

So, allow me to clear up a few things. You will not find anyone more pro-gun than me. I do not believe in background checks, waiting periods, the notion of Class III weapons requiring ridiculous controls and Federal stamps, etc. It took me 5 months to get my SBR and I’m still ticked about it.

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The government sure didn’t take 5 months to cash my $200 check. The government has no right to impose a three-day waiting period on me to decide what church I want to go to. So what the hell gives them the right to pick any other God given right that our Founding fathers chose to assure the government could never interfere with and impose restrictions on. Gun control has never worked and cannot work by design. Criminals will always have guns because they will get them illegally. I believe that’s why we call them criminals.

Last, the right to bear arms has nothing to do with hunting, sporting or collecting. Our founding fathers viewed it as an insurance policy against oppressive government. I hope this makes my opinion abundantly clear as far as how I feel about guns and that is directly related to the discussion about “Oath Keepers”.

Second, apparently one particular commenter is playing a game and basically trying to get me to say that I would refuse to obey an order from higher authorities to confiscate guns from law abiding citizens. In other words, I’m an “Oath Keeper”. I had no idea what the hell that was and I consider myself pretty informed on these issues. I had to google it and of course they block most of the conservative material about it just like Facebook does so I had to be picky in my readings. It sounds like to me the Oath Keepers are doing pretty much what our founding fathers did. They are swearing an oath to defend the now existing constitution and refusing to obey clearly unconstitutional orders designed to create a police state.

Sounds like a plan to me.

Here is what Abraham Lincoln thought about the issue:

“The people — the people — are the rightful masters of both Congresses, and courts — not to overthrow the Constitution, but to overthrow the men who pervert it.” – “Abraham Lincoln, [September 16-17, 1859] (Notes for Speech in Kansas and Ohio)

Our own Declaration of Independence states : “…when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government”.  Granted gun confiscation in and of itself is not living under despotism but it is the first necessary step and history is replete with examples of just that.

Look at the opposition to the Oath Keepers group;

  • The Democratic Party
  • Anti-Defamation League
  • Southern Poverty Law Center, etc.

This list sounds like an invitation list to the let’s destroy everything that is traditionally American, good and holy in the traditional Judaeo-Christian sense movement. These people have been on the wrong side of history on most major issues as far back as their existence. They claim to do good while they breed hate and contempt for average decent citizens that love this country, and love our Judaeo-Christian heritage and actually care about our national security.

Look at what they did to Joseph McCarthy who by the way was completely vindicated by the release of the Venona Papers after the wall came down. Research it if you don’t believe me. Anne Coulter wrote about it. I don’t have time to get into it in this article. That is for another day.

The only real difference with today’s Democratic party is that Obama is placing Muslim Brotherhood members and/or sympathizers in state department positions instead of communists. You say “to-may-to”, I say “to-mah-to”. If these people are opposed to it, then “Oath Keepers” must be on the right track. There are a few examples of good being done by these groups opposed to “Oath Keepers” but I’m sure if you looked hard enough you could find something that Hitler did that was actually good.

Lets’ look at who supports this organization:

, damn good Americans if you ask me.

Oath Keeper
Oath Keeper

These people advocate limited government, lower taxes, maximum freedom of the individual, they are pro-gun and pro-constitution on any issue you could think of. Like all organizations of this nature, you will inevitably get a few of the Tim McVeigh types that attach themselves to it. People like the one that is trying to get me to say I’m an Oath Keeper or that I share their views will use this one nut job that joins the group to claim that all members are like that. They will paint me as the nut hiding in a bunker, eating MRE’s and waiting for the apocalypse.

It wouldn’t surprise me if this person was paid and trained to troll pro-gun sites to try and get someone to say something that they could twist and turn into fuel for the fire. Wow, now I sound as paranoid as one of those guys hiding in a bunker with tinfoil around my head. This is the same old dribble that liberals come out with daily because they cannot win these arguments on an intellectual level. As conservatives, we don’t need to twist truths, tell lies, etc. simply because we are right and our beliefs are validated by history itself.

So, that brings me back to the question of would I confiscate guns from law abiding citizens when ordered to do so by higher authorities or would I like “Oath Keepers” refuse to obey that order.

There are two parts to my answer. First, I believe this person is under the assumption that police in general would support the idea of illegal / unconstitutional gun confiscation. I work with about 500 of them in my organization and if you take my entire career I’ve probably worked with about 1500 and I have never met one that would support this. I can tell you now that especially in smaller cities / counties and in rural areas those orders would fall on deaf ears.

Refer to these articles for examples:

The average police officer or deputy sheriff would never, ever agree to that. I’m sure you could find a few examples of politicians parading as police that would but, that would be an extreme minority.

My departments policies allow an officer to refuse to obey an unlawful / unconstitutional order and as you see above there is plenty of opposition to unconstitutional gun laws within the law enforcement community. The second part of my answer is specifically to the question of what I would do. I would be the guy standing in your door way blocking the blue helmeted UN thugs or whomever were trying to take your guns and / or do you harm. You would probably continue to criticize me throughout the incident but that’s’ okay, I consider it my duty. You see, I don’t need to take an oath with “Oath Keepers”. I have already sworn an oath to the constitution when I was granted my authority as a police officer and I will uphold that just like the officers that protected “Black Lives Matter” protester’s right to protest.

The same officers who end up getting beat on, spit on and shot to death. while doing so.

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Jerald Smith
Jerald Smith
5 years ago

It will not go down the way many of you are thinking. They are about to roll out a paperless currency. A worldwide currency. The dollar will crash. They are currently working on federalization of ALL law enforcement. They will be trading guns for food. When, they destabilize our economy to the point it collapses, all they will then have to do is, sit back and wait. All of this was written in the PNAC in 97.

Stewart Rhodes
Stewart Rhodes
5 years ago

I thank Captain Pope for his kind words regarding Oath Keepers. But I need to clarify something. Capt. Pope said: “You see, I don’t need to take an oath with “Oath Keepers”. I have already sworn an oath to the constitution when I was granted my authority as a police officer and I will uphold that just like the officers that protected “Black Lives Matter” protester’s right to protest.” Just to clarify, at Oath Keepers we DO NOT ask any officer to take some additional oath. We only ask that they honor the oath they took when becoming an officer,… Read more »

Ron
Ron
5 years ago

Well Skippingdog You have now fully exposed yourself for what you really are……an Oath Breaker who like many Nazis officers and lower ranks claimed “I WAS ONLY FOLLOWING ORDERS!” while committing untold numbers of crimes and atrocities. Very telling and informative. The Constitution IS THE LAST WORD on what is legal and illegal. It is the responsibility of every American Citizen to safe guard the RIGHTS enumerated in that document. On another note, according to the language of the time the militia is composed of ALL able bodied men of military age (I believe 16-40 possibly older). Check out the… Read more »

freewill
freewill
5 years ago
Reply to  Ron

the 1792 Militia act required every man to be armed to a specified age, the age was required due to health and endurance, they by no means excluded higher age groups from voluntary arms, the weapons specified in the law was the top of the line weapons, they had just won a war with the same weapons against the Kings Army

Martin
Martin
5 years ago
Reply to  Ron

Ron,
Obviously you do not understand what is going on here. Not one of us have sworn an oath to the “OATH-KEEPERS!
We swore an Oath to the Constitution of the United States of America to uphold that document and the Bill of Rights.
If you would take a minute and read the Oath Keepers website, you might understand what’s going on.
We are not and never were Nazis and your stating such is slap in the face of every American who wore the uniform of our Nation.

Wild Bill
Wild Bill
5 years ago

, First, I and TEX are two different persons. Ammoland can confirm that. Second, I have accused no one of anything. I look forward to conversing with anyone that plans for a potentially difficult future. Third, you go ahead and get taken. Fourth, I have not made fun of the Bible, and your saying so won’t make it so. Finally, where ever you go, I would encourage you to reduce your typing time by dropping the insults.

James
James
5 years ago

Wild Bill, Tex or whatever name your using this post, it must be nice to have someone to talk to in your mama’s basement. What is it you reverted to Tex when you feel threatened. I know your not from Texas because people from Texas are kind hearted friendly and generous and help people when their down. By your comments you seem to be extremely paranoid, accusing Karen Simpkins of false flags, confidence schemes etc. So what if you help someone and get taken once out of a hundred times, you don’t ever help anyone again. Do you think I… Read more »

Wild Bill
Wild Bill
5 years ago

, I thought that you said that you had “…made the right decision to no longer participate in this blog.” Well I am glad that you changed your mind. And I think that sending a check is a brilliant test, for all the reasons that I have already outlined. So send some money through Ammoland. Ammoland can tell us how it turns out.
Finally, the gospel of Spy Versus Spy say that false flag operations and confidence schemes abound, and shall have no mercy upon the unwary.

James
James
5 years ago

Tex you are one cold hearted person in my opinion, all you guys that continue to participate in this blog paint yourselves with the same broad paint brush.

Tex you have no authority to order anyone to do anything. Go back to your sad little comments where you can’t dare help anyone. Just hope you never need help because karma does work.

Goodbye little man, enjoy

Wild Bill
Wild Bill
5 years ago
Reply to  James

, Don’t confuse cold hearted with cool headed. I don’t know what all that paint stuff means, but we should all be getting prepared. At least save up in the seven good years for the seven lean years. All those insults are just wasted time and typing sending empty words and paragraphs devoid of meaning.

James
James
5 years ago

Tex you obviously are a very insecure person who has to inject themselves into someone else’s argument without provacation. You guys talk big but can’t even help a person who ask for it, even a woman. I feel sorry for you guys I truly do. Wild Bill I wasn’t going to send the money, my suggestion was to send it to Ammoland who could request ID before sending out the check. Are we so afraid to help each other now how are you going to help each other durine the bad times. Here’s what the Bible says about this subject.… Read more »

James
James
5 years ago

Wild Bill or whatever other name you sit in your mama’s basement and call yourself you post makes me know I made the right decision to no longer participate in this blog. Good luck with your rants about being someone your not when you can’t spare any of your beer money to help someone. I feel sorry for people like you that want to be someone so badly. Good luck with your post.

Wild Bill
Wild Bill
5 years ago
Reply to  James

, You are taking it all wrong. Get an address. Send a test check. The results will tell us if this is a false flag op or a garden variety confidence scheme, or on the level. I have not seen Karen come back so maybe she does not want money. Oh and Mother always insisted that her children use their brains and not take things at face value.

Karen M Simpkins
Karen M Simpkins
5 years ago
Reply to  Wild Bill

At no point have I asked for, or intimated that I wanted financial help. When I wrote giving my financial circumstances, it was purely to let whom ever may have suggestions know that I could not afford all of the very expensive prep items. I mentioned hoping to get a long gun as soon as I was able, not to solicit any financial aide, but to let possible suggestion givers the direction I hope to go in. As far as it being said that I could not pass a background, There certainly was no problem a few months ago when… Read more »

Martin
Martin
5 years ago

Ma’am, It appears that most of the folks who are responding to the “What the Hell is an Oath Keeper?” have no idea what so ever about what they are saying. They are looking for a place to knock LEOs and former military and, this post will probably get some kickback of that type. Captain Pope was merely stating what he knows about the Oath Keepers and this “firestorm” has been going on now for two days. One place you can look is “Pioneer Settler” which gives information about how our ancestors lived and you can also go to a… Read more »

James
James
5 years ago

Ammoland apparantly has some way of verifying that Ms Simpkins cannot pass a background check. According to the flyer sent by pdf link above the definition of a straw purchase is as follows: What is a straw purchase? A straw purchase occurs when the actual buyer of a firearm is unable to pass the required federal background check, or does not want his or her full name associated with the purchase, and has someone else who can pass the required background check purchase the firearm for him or her. I have unsubscribe to Ammoland, not one of the men who… Read more »

James
James
5 years ago

Original Comments posted to this site state nothing about buying a gun FOR Ms Simpkins and violating Federal Law by making a straw purchase.

The comment clearly states the donation would be for Ms Simpkins to purchase her own 410 or other long gun. No where is there mention of buying the gun FOR her.

“On a different note I’m willing to pitch in $50 for Karen Simpkins to purchase her own 410 or other long gun through Ammoland. Who else is willing to help this lady who is doing a remarkable job with the difficulties she has faced”

Karen M Simpkins
Karen M Simpkins
5 years ago
Reply to  James

I want this to be a reply to all that responded to my first comments. I requested help in trying to make myself more prepared for what is coming. There are things I don’t know to do and things I don’t know how to do. There are probably things that I haven’t thought of doing and possibly wouldn’t , as my husband was the one who had the knowledge and experience. I have received some very helpful suggestions. I have received from Wild Bill suggestions for making my entrance door more secure, But I have no idea what a draw… Read more »

Wild Bill
Wild Bill
5 years ago

Karen, I am glad that you are back. This is a tough debate forum. Don’t worry about hurting anyone’s feelings. First a draw bar is the bolt that come out the side of the door and goes into the hole in the door jam when you turn the key. Now, lets continue thinking. Nails are cheap, and can provide a lot of security at a moments notice, but we don’t want to nail the doors and windows shut before we need to. That would be inconvenient. Just have a couple dozen nails that are as long as your pinky finger… Read more »

James
James
5 years ago

I see Ammoland edited my comments again by removing the link to Blacklisted News regarding homeland security working with businesses to spy on people. There are several other links in comments including another comment that mentioned Blacklisted News that got me interested in the website. It is apparant that Ammoland censures the comments or people they don’t like or agree with just like the mainstream media does. There is no room for different ideas or for someone to really make a difference by helping a disabled woman get prepared. What a waste of an opportunity to do something good for… Read more »

James
James
5 years ago

Ammoland no one suggested buying a gun, just donating the money so Ms Simpkins can buy the long gun she chooses. Did you read my comments? I suggested the donations be collected by Ammoland and then given to Ms Simpkins to purchase a 410 or other long gun. There is absolutely no law against this. Why do you refuse to post comments then come out with statements like this that makes it appear that someone is trying to violate the law? Is this board restricted to only the opinions that agree with Ammoland or is free speech of other ideas… Read more »

James
James
5 years ago

I am very disappointed that the men on this site who post comments everyday cannot put up a few dollars to help a disabled woman , Karen Simpkins, obtain a long gun like she is wanting for self protection. How about you Captain Pope, how about being an example to these guys on Ammoland. I am totally disabled and receive a small disability check every month but I am willing to help a person wanting the tools to survive. What about it guys, are you just going to arm chair quarterback or do something to help this lady. On a… Read more »

Wild Bill
Wild Bill
5 years ago
Reply to  James

@JAMES, There may not be a Karen Simpkins, either. But if we get her address, and send a small check, then a real Karen Simpkins can cash the checks. If Karen Simpkins is a HSI special agent running a false flag operation, then cashing the checks would be multiple counts of fraud or the checks won’t get cashed. Here is another possibility, there is no Karen Simpkins or James, they are just fronts for people engaging in a confidence scheme. On the other hand, if everyone is on the up and up, then the information that we give Karen will… Read more »

Wild Bill
Wild Bill
5 years ago

, Nor should any police executive let themselves be used as pawns to do the evil, unlawful, and unconstitutional work of persons that have wormed themselves into power. Police executives must be thinking people that are cognizant of unconstitutional statutes that purport to be law, but are not. And police executives must be aware of law being used wrongly. Honest, honorable, thinking people are always qualified to serve in a position of public trust.

SkippingDog
SkippingDog
5 years ago

I’ve been a law enforcement executive myself for many years, Captain. No man can serve two masters. If you’ve decided to join the Oath Keepers, you’ve chosen to violate your oath as a peace officer to enforce the law without fear or favor and you are no longer qualified to serve in a position of public trust. You don’t get to decide what the law is. That’s why we have legislatures and courts. Your job is to enforce it, impartially and professionally. Otherwise, you’re a disgrace to the badge you wear.

Doc
Doc
5 years ago
Reply to  SkippingDog

If you vow to uphold the Constitution, you are promising to not violate the constitutional rights of the citizens you are supposed to protect. If you fail to do this, by confiscating firearms from law abiding citizens, you are no longer enforcing the law. You have now become an enemy combatant. I am a ferverant supporter of law enforcement and have assisted in the apprehention of a few fleeing criminals but I will not allow rouge LEO’s, who fail to honor their oath, to take my weapons without a bloody fight. I’m military trained and continue to train so you… Read more »

SkippingDog
SkippingDog
5 years ago
Reply to  Doc

There are many military and law enforcement officers who have made misguided decisions to join or support anti-government groups that are inconsistent with their oaths and official duties. Each time such an individual comes to my department for a job, or an employee of our department reveals such affiliations, we either refuse to hire them or separate them from public service. The same is true for any lll% members or “militia” members in our ranks. No police officer is above the law, whether they personally agree with that law or not.

Jeremy
Jeremy
5 years ago
Reply to  SkippingDog

Joining the Oathkeepers in taking a pledge to not obey any orders that violate the Constitution is actually upholding the lawful government. When any government (federal, state, or local) strays from the Constitution, it is itself violating the law. Every person, whether a law enforcement officer, congressional representative, or dog catcher is above a law if that law is unconstitutional or being applied in a way that is unconstitutional at the time. That is the beauty of this republic. We are all equal. If you choose to violate that Constitution, and you go to court for it. You had better… Read more »

freewill
freewill
5 years ago
Reply to  SkippingDog

and just where do you draw the line? at what point do you say that that law is an unjust law and i cant bother this person?..our founders decided on US Marshals and an elected Sheriff, there was no such word as law enforcement, they were free from government, if there was no victims, there wasnt a law!!!

Wild Bill
Wild Bill
5 years ago
Reply to  freewill

, We all must draw the line at being right. If it were otherwise we would all have a lawyer hand cuffed to us. We must all be solidly in the right, right on the facts, and right on the law, as we get no qualified immunity as do bureaucrats, LEOs, judges, and legislators. As to which laws are unjust etc, etc. We read, we debate, as here, and we decide for ourselves as free people do. And sometimes, with the courage of our convictions, we litigate.

freewill
freewill
5 years ago

how many no knock warrants in the middle of the night have you executed on people accused of crimes that had no victims?..how many vehicles have you searched on the side of the road without first obtaining a warrant signed by a judge specifying what you believe to find?

Eric N. Spear
Eric N. Spear
5 years ago

To Captain Pope, Frr you and a lot of others who are not familiar with the Oathkeepers organization you should visit their website. You do not have to swear an oath to the organization. On the contrary, their organization is for those of us (I am a retired Army officer) who have already sworn an oath either when we enlisted or became an officer in the military, or law enforcement, or even public office. It is all the folks who have sworn to uphold and defend the constitution that are just stating publicly that they will not violate the oath… Read more »

SnuffyTN
SnuffyTN
5 years ago

Come and get em’!!!! I shoot a lot better than I can type.

James
James
5 years ago

Captain Pope, Do you believe the officer should be held accountable or is someone’s lose of life just an accident. Woman fatally shot in a role-playing event at Florida police department The Florida retiree who was fatally shot during a citizen police academy drill was playing the part of an intruder when she was hit, her son said Wednesday. Mary Knowlton, 73, was taking part in a “shoot/don’t shoot” exercise when she was struck by a live round while almost three dozen other participants looked on, police said. http//www.nbcdfw.com/news/national-international/USW-Florida-Woman-Fatally-Shot-During-Citizen-Police-AcademyTraining-389694822.html On a different note I’m willing to pitch in $50 for… Read more »

freewill
freewill
5 years ago
Reply to  James

James…to solve your problem… how about furnishing the information where the nearest gun shop is to you or her, the money can be donated them so she can get her long arm thru government approval to exercise a right..

Wild Bill
Wild Bill
5 years ago
Reply to  freewill

, Also an excellent idea!

Marshall Sprague
Marshall Sprague
5 years ago

The statement in the article , “ . . . the right to bear arms has nothing to do with hunting, sporting or collecting. Our founding fathers viewed it as an insurance policy against oppressive government. . . .” is correct as far as it goes. Imagine it is 1791. The 2A is not a stand alone 27-word phrases. It is an amendment to the Constitution in which The militia is defined by ARTICLE 1, SECTION 8, CLAUSE 16. The Militia is NOT a group of armed civilians. The power to call forth “the Militia to execute the Laws of… Read more »

Wild Bill
Wild Bill
5 years ago

@Jeremy, Your heart is in the right place, but you go to far because you have not read enough, yet. You can’t just take the body of the Second Amendment and a couple of quotes and come to valid conclusions. To understand the context in which our Second Amendment Civil Rights have meaning, you have to begin further back in history. The dicta in DC v Heller is a good place to start, and you have to read DC v. Heller, anyway. “The American Freedoms Primer” by Les Adams and printed by Palladium Press of Birmingham, Alabama is a phenomenal… Read more »

Jeremy
Jeremy
5 years ago
Reply to  Wild Bill

I would preface this by saying that I am former Army and do not have a police record. That being said: The only context is that the rights listed in the Bill of Rights are “Natural Rights”, meaning that they exist and are our rights simply because we exist. Courts and governments don’t give us those rights, not even the Constitution does. The Framers acknowledged this and said as much. The Bill of Rights only enumerates those rights. To “enumerate” rights, is not the same as “granting” rights. That being said, the Constitution simply tells the various levels of government… Read more »

Wild Bill
Wild Bill
5 years ago
Reply to  Jeremy

, Ok, I can see that you know all that you want to. Carry on.

Jeremy
Jeremy
5 years ago

I’m more pro-gun than the author. I would dare say that I am more pro-gun than any person who has read this article. Why? Because I read and believe in the Bill of Rights, and the foundation documents and ideology behind them. I believe that all gun control measures should be repealed. Everything. Are you an ex-con? Yes you can own a gun. It’s your right. Are you a loopy nut-job with no grip on reality? Please, have a handgun. Why would I take that stance? Because “No free man should ever be debarred the use of arms”. There’s a… Read more »

Karen M Simpkins
Karen M Simpkins
5 years ago

I would greatly appreciate the courtesy of Ammoland, explain not posting my comments this date, August 10, 2016,I felt my comments were quite appropriate to Oathkeepers. The kind of assistance I was suggesting for disabled seniors, would fit extremely well with Oathkeepers that have volumes of knowledge, and maybe disabilities of their own that prevent them from physically participating .Perhaps I wasn’t clear enough in my tie in to the Oathkeepers. Knowledge is a terrible thing to waste. There was absolutely nothing in my post that was inflammatory nor confrontational . Where I may have been guilty of misspelled words,… Read more »

Karen M Simpkins
Karen M Simpkins
5 years ago

Thank you !

Larry Davis
Larry Davis
5 years ago

You can go to settings in your browser, then to privacy, and click on “clear cookies”. That should do it. Also dry goods like beans and rice are inexpensive, and your dog’s can eat beans and rice in a pinch, just fyi. God bless you.

HMLA-167 Warrior
HMLA-167 Warrior
5 years ago

Mine get delayed often. No idea why but they usually show up sometime between 1-12 hours after I post them.

Eric_CA
Eric_CA
5 years ago

I only notice a delay whenever I include a hyperlink.

Wake_Up_America
Wake_Up_America
5 years ago

Barry Hussein NoBoma is the worst thing to have ever happened to this country hands down. That no good SOB should hang from a tree in DC for all to witness.

Karen M Simpkins
Karen M Simpkins
5 years ago

i am a 77 year old disabled, home bound widow. I live in a first floor apartment, I have only my social security check as income. I have two under 5 lb. dogs. They are an excellent alarm system. I have 1 kitty, Being home bound means that I am very limited in people I know. I live approximately 5 miles from a beach in South Carolina. I would be unable to evacuate no matter the conditions, as I do not drive, and I cannot and will not leave my guys behind. They have given me more, since my husbands… Read more »

Wild Bill
Wild Bill
5 years ago

@Karen S, You are already doing better than most people. You have your canine early warning system, some food and water supplies, a firearm and ammunition, and, most important of all, you think. As you are home bound, but get to the range, I presume that you have a social support person or maybe persons. They are going to have to be your buddy system, until you can develop more. You can save ammo money by, just practice pointing your EMPTY pistol. Do you have any children, nieces or nephews that you can trust? Just as you, we are all… Read more »

Karen M Simpkins
Karen M Simpkins
5 years ago
Reply to  Wild Bill

I do have a daughter, who unfortunately has progressive MS and Rheumatoid arthritis. She is unable to be my “buddy” in any other way but through her beautiful heart. When I spoke of a buddy system, I was thinking in terms of how many Oathkeepers may be dis abled and unable to participate fully in the physical sense. But, oh my goodness the wealth of knowledge they have is incredible, and what buddies they could be. There many seniors, disabled that have no one to rely on to just getting prepared. Everything is written and/ or taught for the family… Read more »

Wild Bill
Wild Bill
5 years ago

@karen, All that information that they put out for families and fit experienced men are paradigms. We all have to modify those paradigms to fit our situation and abilities. Regarding your daughter, it sounds like she may need you, in a SHTF situation. When the SHTF, your first decision will be to shelter in place or bug out. Sounds like you are preparing to shelter in place. Me, too! Sheltering in place gives us an opportunity to evaluate. First, lets work on your shelter in place plan. More food, more water, you really will not need a lot of expensive… Read more »

Karen M Simpkins
Karen M Simpkins
5 years ago
Reply to  Wild Bill

Wild Bill, this had not been posted yet, so I partially answer this as a reply to one of your earlier posts. I hope you get it.
I will finish this tomorrow. Have a safe blessed evening!
Take care and God Bless
Fly the flag
Be safe
NEVER Forget Extortion!

Karen M Simpkins
Karen M Simpkins
5 years ago

Wild Bill- They emailed me your last comment to me. However, I don’t see that it’s been posted yet. So I am going to answer it this way and hope you will receive it. The things you brought up were some of the very things that concern me greatly. Yes, i will be staying in place. I have no way to get anywhere, and no place to go except a shelter. I have absolutely no intention of leaving my 3 girls in an apartment by themselves because it might not too safe for me. Lottsa luck- me and my two… Read more »

Wild Bill
Wild Bill
5 years ago

@karen, You, and your little pets are going to be just fine. Do you have your groceries delivered? My wife and I buy two of everything that is in a can when it is on sale. One can of beans to ear, and one can to store. Sardines on sale! One for the pantry, and one for the basement. I check Fox News several times per day. On the day that things go permanently bad, I will call the grocery store for a huge order and pay with my credit card because I won’t ever be paying that bill anyway.… Read more »

Wild Bill
Wild Bill
5 years ago

Two or three pennies in the door jam at draw bar height puts so much pressure on the lock’s draw bolt that Heracles could not open the door from outside. Then tap the pennies out to unlock. Eight nails and a hammer can secure your door so that it can not be kicked off its hinges. Just put as many as you can in the magazine.

HMLA-167 Warrior
HMLA-167 Warrior
5 years ago

Must say that your husband is not a former Marine. He is still a Marine. “If the Army and the Navy ever look on Heaven’s scenes, they will find the streets are guarded by United States Marines.”

Semper Fi

Karen M Simpkins
Karen M Simpkins
5 years ago

Well, you are so right!! He was a Marine to the core. He was Air Wing- Helicopter Crew Chief . He died from cancer. He faced it with incredible strength and dignity. I probably would get one of those “look” for saying former Marine!!!l LOL
Once a Marine, always a Marine.
Take care and God Bless
Fly the flag
Be safe
NEVER forget Extortion 17

wake_Up_America
wake_Up_America
5 years ago

How in the h#ll can you not be okay with background checks? I am a huge fan of guns and am against many things that are anti, but we absolutely need BackGround Checks, my God. I can’t even believe you would print something like that…

Wild Bill
Wild Bill
5 years ago

@wake up, If we would hang murderers, we would not need background checks. Put another way, anyone that wants a gun can have one. If they use that gun to break the law or kill some one, then lets impose prison sentences or execute them.

Vanns40
Vanns40
5 years ago

Because background checks serve no purpose except to inconvenience law abiding gun owners. That’s why we’re against them. Have you researched the number of criminals who try to buy guns legally and are caught on background checks? Infitesimal. So small it can’t be calculated, yet law abiding citizens in some states are denied purchases up to six months or more while “background checks” are being run. Wise up, get educated.

Gene
Gene
5 years ago

Great article!
I don’t believe that it will be the “police” as we know them…it will be the “police force” of the hardcore idealogs like those currently that have drunk either the Clinton or Trump Kool-aid who both currently think their choice walks on water.

Patriot Oath Keeper
Patriot Oath Keeper
5 years ago

I took this Oath and respect and honor the commitment, unlike some of our politicians who took the oath. The Oath is to serve and protect American Citizens not to attack legal but instead to remove the illegal or criminal content. Twisted politicians make legal citizens out to be the criminals in order to take their rights in many degrees. To take the guns from a man or woman who has not committed a crime and only owns them for sport, pleasure, or self defense can only compare to, 1000 people parked on the side of the road all get… Read more »

VT Patriot
VT Patriot
5 years ago

Thank you Captain Pope for a beautifully written article. Hopefully it will wake up a few of the unicorn cowboys. But I doubt it. As the old saying goes, “ya can’t fix stupid”.

Jerald Smith
Jerald Smith
5 years ago

We are now under, the VERY tyrannical government that, our forefathers warned us of. So, we have dropped the ball, already. But, kudos, sir. Welcome aboard.

Michael Hayes
Michael Hayes
5 years ago

I am with you all the way on this. I am a Veteran that took that oath when I enlisted back in 1970. and it still is in force today. As for gun confiscation by police and such, what happen in New Orleans after Katrina was totally that. People today have never got there weapons returned. If it happened there it can happen anywhere. Just give some ahole politician a reason to do it.

Kennith Nalley
Kennith Nalley
5 years ago

I have never had a problem buying a gun until the FBI started having instant background checks. When I wanted to buy a modern gun at a gun show a few years ago I wasn’t allowed to. The FBI didn’t turn me down,they just put a hold on it making it impossible to buy a gun from a licensed dealer. I was on adjudicated probation 45 years ago. I served my probation and have never gotten in trouble again. I can legally vote and serve on jury duty. The crime I committed was a burglary of a business,and yes it… Read more »

MontieR
MontieR
5 years ago
Reply to  Kennith Nalley

You need to approach the court that convicted you, and request your firearm rights be reinstated. It is very simple IF you live in a free state like Arizona. If you live in Ca, Mass, Illinois or any of the fascist states you are pretty much out of luck. But it is still worth trying.

freewill
freewill
5 years ago
Reply to  MontieR

in other words, he should go to a government branch and ask permission to exercise a right..that would imply that its a privilege, government grants privileges, our rights our granted by God.

Larry Klutz
Larry Klutz
5 years ago

Please, it’s the Democrat Party, NOT the Democratic Party. There’s nothing democratic about this rabble !

Carol Combs
Carol Combs
5 years ago

RCMP confiscate guns in High River-Alberta.

Janek
Janek
5 years ago

Apparently there’s a dearth of ‘oath keepers’ in government now days?

Larry Davis
Larry Davis
5 years ago

Guns? What guns? Gosh, I had to sell most of my guns, I do still have a dusty old bolt action .22, and it’s just for squirrels and such.

Doc
Doc
5 years ago
Reply to  Larry Davis

Ha ha ha…..me too!

BillyBob Texas
BillyBob Texas
5 years ago
Reply to  Larry Davis

I heard oof a guy who “SAID” his window/house was broken into, and someone had stolen “ALL” his guns about a day or two before they passed that confiscation order. And he called the cops and reported it…..it’s in THEIR record that he no longer has any guns….

Roy F. Wilt
Roy F. Wilt
5 years ago

The Idea is that: We know that the Federal Government, as Ran by the Democratic Party, is trying to figure out a way to take the Second Amendment Away from the Citizens of this Country! We Know that neither Obama nor Hillary are going to knock on our Doors and Order Us to hand over Our Weapons! So who are they going to Order to do this??? You, The Police Forces of this Country! That’s who!!!!!!!!!!!!! And they will have made a Law that Requires you to do this! Now! Will You Violate the Constitution and enforce the Law? Or… Read more »

HMLA-167 Warrior
HMLA-167 Warrior
5 years ago
Reply to  Roy F. Wilt

This is where I always wonder if people who so easily say on the internet that they will kill whoever comes to confiscate their weapons will actually do so. Easy to say. Not so easy to do. Not a single person after Katrina resisted the confiscation of their weapons from what I can find and that leads me to believe that very few keyboard warriors will actually resist, particularly if they have young children whom they need to care for, a spouse, and elderly parent, etc. It appears that the confiscation after Katrina was done under the guise of wellness… Read more »

HMLA-167 Warrior
HMLA-167 Warrior
5 years ago

And just so everyone understands how the government agencies are preparing for those who resist:

http://www.infowars.com/dhs-supplier-provides-shooting-targets-of-american-gun-owners/

These are “no hesitation” targets to desensitize the agents to firing at pregnant women in the nursery or the elderly farmer who won’t hand over his shotgun. Or the child who then picks up her dead mother’s pistol to protect her sibling…

Wild Bill
Wild Bill
5 years ago

@HMLA-167, Every single one, without exception, will do what they train for now. If they go to the door unarmed now, that is what they will do in the future. If they have no canine early warning and combat partners, now, they will, also, lack them in the future. If they lack tangle foot and reinforced USS Cyclone fencing, now, they will lack it when it is needed. Need I go on?

Colonialgirl
Colonialgirl
5 years ago

One OLD LADY would have, BUT her gun was unloaded; Take a hint , ALWAYS keep your home defense fire arm loaded.

Martin
Martin
5 years ago

You should practice walking through your house in the dark (with an empty gun), starting at your usual access (front door, back door, garage) and clear it room by room until you are certain the place is secure. Remember to turn on the lights as you go. If you want to know how to do this, ask your local police. They might tell you to back away and call the police, but you may not have officers available to do this when it needs to be done, therefore…………… Transparency: I have done this and can tell you that it is… Read more »

Captain Fred
Captain Fred
5 years ago
Reply to  Roy F. Wilt

Dude, REALLY, you need to take a Xanax or throw down a shot of Jack. I have numerous police officers and retired police officers in my immediate family, like 6 that I can name and none of them, NONE OF THEM, would ever show up at any innocent citizens door for the purpose of confiscating their guns. I’ve asked the question of all of them at different times and to paraphrase their responses: WHAT! are you nuts, I’m not interested in dying at someone’s front door while those idiots in DC sit protected behind their ARMED guards.

Wild Bill
Wild Bill
5 years ago
Reply to  Captain Fred

@CPT Fred, This is no time for recreational drug and alcohol use. This is the time to gather your logistics, make your defensive plans, and practice.

Martin
Martin
5 years ago

Speaking as a retired MSG in the Army, I stand with anyone who refuses to obey an unlawful order to confiscate firearms from American Citizens. That order would come from someone who is bent on the destruction of the Constitution of the United States and Bill of Rights. Our Freedoms are God-given but can be lost through human intervention and People who refuse to stand up for those Rights. If the Second Amendment ever falls, the rest of the Constitution is absolutely meaningless! Think about it. Today you have the Right to own a firearm and to defend your family,… Read more »

Wild Bill
Wild Bill
5 years ago
Reply to  Martin

Pope, “…playing a game…” is a disingenuous mischaracterization of my intent, I was merely asking a clear straight forward question and seeking a clear straight forward answer. Thank you for answering.
, As a retired LTC from the US Army, I also stand with anyone who refuses to obey an unlawful order to confiscate firearms from American citizens, and will help to provide legal defense to the same.

Skyshark82nd
Skyshark82nd
5 years ago

Well stated Sir! I tell you It gets so frustrating that some how it is always ok for liberals to express their distain and hate towards guns, social injustice, or whatever will make them feel better about themselves, but the first time a patriot speaks about logic, reason, and a common sense approach to make the streets safer they vibrate around like a 1970’s electric football game. They then will claim outlandish statistics and what if scenarios to try to scare people that somehow the police is out to kill everyone or take away their rights. I tell you I… Read more »

HMLA-167 Warrior
HMLA-167 Warrior
5 years ago

“…under the assumption that police in general would support the idea of illegal / unconstitutional gun confiscation. I work with about 500 of them in my organization and if you take my entire career I’ve probably worked with about 1500 and I have never met one that would support this.” Katrina. ‘Nuff said. https://www.nraila.org/articles/20150821/a-decade-later-remember-new-orleans-gun-confiscation-can-and-has-happened-in-america We have one local, now luckily retired, LEO who was involved with the door to door confiscation after Katrina. He says he wasn’t happy about it but followed orders anyway. You know a lot of LEOs who you believe wouldn’t follow those orders. I only know… Read more »

Vanns40
Vanns40
5 years ago

I believe “Katrina” was a wake up call for many. It certainly was for the State of Utah. That State’s Legislature was so incensed by what occurred in New Orleans that they passed what has come to be known as the “no Katrina” Law and put real teeth in it against any law enforcement officer OR his superior who orders him to confiscate a law abiding citizen’s firearms during time of emergency. It was also a wake up for citizens to prepare for emergencies and not just with water and food but with a means to defend themselves and to… Read more »

Graham
Graham
5 years ago

Katrina… oh yeah we left NO permanently after that storm. By “local” are you, or does that make you, a New Orleanian? New Orleans, the city where a large number of officials from the Mayor down either end up in prison or charged with corruption. Nuff said? No not really. Eddie Compass the Chief of Police – resigned shortly after issuing the confiscation order. Eddie Compass not exactly a roll model for a police officer let alone chief! That said most of New Orleans finest went awol, some of those who remained joined the looters. Right after Katrina NO turned… Read more »

Colonialgirl
Colonialgirl
5 years ago

KEEP IN MIND MORON (if you have one) that the POLICE in New Orleaans were and stillARE for the most part LIBERAL LEFTY DEMOCRATS;

‘NUFF SAID!!!

Ol' Vet
Ol' Vet
5 years ago

Ma’am: There were police from all over the US in New Orleans when that occurred. As a matter of fact, several of the bad things that happened via the confiscation were done by those wonder ful guys from Kommiefornia, who apparently have succumbed to the idea they have to follow the orders of the nut cases in their goobermnt. That was a violation of everything our Constitution stands for. And I will add, the Veterans of our military services are against the same things this gentleman wrote about in his article. The (not our) goobermnt has decided in the heirarchy… Read more »

Stewart Rhodes
Stewart Rhodes
5 years ago

Well, the widespread gun confiscation that occurred during Hurricane Katrina was indeed an eye-opener and one of the main reasons I founded Oath Keepers. But the fact that some police will, and have, obeyed such orders just points to the need to reach out to your local police and make sure they understand where the lines are, and not take it for granted that they already know (let’s not forget that most of them attended the same public schools we did, and were intentionally NOT taught the Constitution), but without also making the mistake of assuming the worst of them… Read more »