Arizona -(Ammoland.com)- On 3 October 2018, Michael Dunn shot and killed Christobal Lopez, during a struggle where Lopez was attempting to steal a hatchet from Dunn’s Vets Army Navy Surplus store. The store is located in Lakeland, Florida.
Dunn, 47, was attempting to stop Lopez, 50, from leaving the store while he was holding the hatchet he was stealing. Surveillance video from inside the store showing the last part of the struggle, which ended in a fatal shooting. From tampabay.com:
Still pointing the gun at Lopez, Dunn tries to grab Lopez’s shoulder from behind with his left hand as Lopez makes it out the door, the video shows. Dunn’s hand slips off Lopez’s shoulder but Dunn is able to grab a fistful of the man’s t-shirt. Lopez raises his left arm in an apparent attempt to break free, and then Dunn appears to fire.
Lopez falls to the pavement just outside the door. He appears to shake for a moment, then lies still as Dunn keeps the gun trained on him.
At the moment Dunn fires, Lopez is holding the door with his right hand and appears to be holding an object in that same hand. It’s unclear if the object is the hatchet that Lopez is suspected of trying to steal when he was shot.
The standard for justifiable self-defense, in Florida, is that the defender may use deadly force if the defender reasonably believes it to be necessary to prevent imminent death or severe bodily injury. From Florida statutes 776.12:
(2) A person is justified in using or threatening to use deadly force if he or she reasonably believes that using or threatening to use such force is necessary to prevent imminent death or great bodily harm to himself or herself or another or to prevent the imminent commission of a forcible felony.
Shoplifting is not defined as a forcible felony.
Note the standard in the statute is subjective, based on what the defender knew and reasonably believed at the time.
You can see the hatchet that was being stolen in the frame from the video below.
If you watch the video frame by frame, it is clear the hatchet came from Lopez’s hand and was not placed there afterward.
Under Florida law, a person is not justified in pointing a firearm at another person unless they are in reasonable fear of death or serious bodily injury.
The defense, in this case, may be that the store owner, Michael Dunn, had a reasonable fear for his life when confronting Christobal Lopez, who was armed with a deadly weapon, the hatchet, which he was stealing from the store.
I am not a lawyer, but it seems reasonable to me to have a firearm pointed at a person who is armed with a deadly weapon, who is stealing from your store.
Michael Dunn was taking a considerable risk in attempting to stop Christobal Lopez from leaving the store with the stolen hatchet. If store owners simply allow thieves to steal without consequences, they may be forced out of business.
People will ask if a hatchet is worth a man’s life. That question could be asked of both thieves and store owners.
Others may ask if a man’s livelihood is worth defending.
About Dean Weingarten:
Dean Weingarten has been a peace officer, a military officer, was on the University of Wisconsin Pistol Team for four years, and was first certified to teach firearms safety in 1973. He taught the Arizona concealed carry course for fifteen years until the goal of constitutional carry was attained. He has degrees in meteorology and mining engineering, and recently retired from the Department of Defense after a 30-year career in Army Research, Development, Testing, and Evaluation.
Meanwhile the owner of the store can not work in his own store because he sells firearms and if convicted he will become a felon and unable to sell or carry a firearm. The store owner was active politically and sat on the city council. He has since resigned. Much of the video shown locally on TV and shots in papers do not point out the hatchet, and seem to indict the man for shooting “unarmed” shoplifter.
what did Sheriff Grady Judd say?
I saw on the news today that the prosecutor filed charges against the store owner, Mr. Dunn, so it appears he is in deep doo doo. It sure doesn’t sound fair but Fla. is really mixed up on gun rules because of the lillie leftists that have invaded them.
it will all come down to the people on the jury,if enough of them are sick of this kind of shit,he’ll walk. one things for sure,this prick won’t be doing this anymore.
That guy stole an ax that is a weapon and could use it against the owner of the store .. I see it as a defense.
Ese tipo robo un hacha que es un arma y pudo usarla contra el dueño de la tienda.. yo lo veo como defensa…
That guy stole an ax that is a weapon and could use it against the owner of the store .. I see it as a defense.
Yep, sounds like he got what he deserved.
This statement is horribly incorrect: “Note the standard in the statute is subjective, based on what the defender knew and reasonably believed at the time.” The determination of justification is based on an objective (reasonableness of belief) standard. This statement is horribly incorrect: “Under Florida law, a person is not justified in pointing a firearm at another person unless they are in reasonable fear of death or serious bodily injury.” Gunpointing in Florida is as a matter of law non-deadly force. Non-deadly force can be used to protect person or property without deadly force predicate as posited by the author.… Read more »
I’ll lose no sleep on this shooting of a thug
what may screw the store owner is, the guy was leaving the store and wasn’t a threat at that point.. he didn’t become a threat until the store owner grabbed him and tried to stop him from leaving with the stolen merchandise … so they will say the owner initiated the confrontation… he better get a good lawyer !!!