“Unarmed” Police, What a Shame…

John comments on the Thousand Oaks Bar Killer and the six unarmed police officers that faced the shooter.

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“Unarmed” Police, What a Shame…

Ft Collins, CO –-(Ammoland.com)- “‘Police’ is not ‘what you do.’ Police are WHAT YOU ARE! We may be ‘off-watch.’ We are NEVER ‘off-duty!’” ~ Farnam

Talking about the Thousand Oaks Bar nightclub shooting in CA, Sheriff Geoff Dean of Ventura County CA stated during a press conference today that there was six LEOs present (that he knows of) among the guests attending the club at the moment the perpetrator starting shooting.

A reporter asked the Sheriff if any of the six officers present at the scene dutifully engaged the suspect with precision gunfire.

The Sheriff sheepishly answered: “None of them were armed!”

At least six unarmed police present when a madman starts shooting, and not a single one able to call upon his training and instantly stop the carnage!

The words “unarmed” and “police” should never be found in the same sentence. This situation is a sad testimony to CA law enforcement.

American police officers should be gallantly carrying concealed guns no matter where we are, day and night, every waking minute.

It is a point of honor!

The world of 2018 is no place for the unprepared, particularly among those of us who are paid to be prepared.

“Destiny doesn’t make appointments, nor does she waste her time with the naive and unready!” ~ Farnam, again


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  • 43 thoughts on ““Unarmed” Police, What a Shame…

    1. I’ve said this before and I’ll say it every time and being an American citizen, ex-military & believing & thinking the Constitution is the law of the land. I believe a Cop’s job is no different then any other job, once you take off that uniform you are no longer above the law or a step above anybody else. I used to carry an M16 & a colt .45 & have a secret security clearance in the military, now that I’m out I know longer get to have that although I do carry my Glock were ever I go now. Point being no matter what your day job is everybody should be equal By the Constitution (not that this document matters much these days), so if you are not being paid by the taxpayers at that time ON duty you should have no more rights to carry a gun then Joe the Plummer. I don’t say this because I’m against Law enforcement because I’m not, I have 2 retired LE and 1 active family members, but the active one only shoots what the L.A. County sheriffs dept allots & no were near the rounds I fire & practice with in a year and if I had a choice of him protecting me or protecting myself….I’d choose me every time. Not all Cops are gun people & most these days have never fired a weapon before the Academy so NO I don’t believe a Cop should have any more privilege then I do……

      1. A cops job is different than everyone else’s. It’s not a fireman, it’s not a lawyer or doctor it is a COP! We are always on duty and most departments mandate that. You will carry 24/7/365. We cannot turn our backs on a crime committed in our presence anytime anywhere if they are done within our legal jurisdiction which can range from 300 feet or anywhere in the state depending on the crime. Joe the Plumber is not obligated to fix a leak when he sees one. If I stopped a crime off duty I would get paid. So all of you morons that do not believe that cops are not on duty 24/7 get a life and let it go. The Constitution does not say all men are equal, it says we are all created equal with certain inalienable right among them life liberty and the pursuit of happiness. And we all aren’t happy now, are we? Those words are courtesy of Thomas Jefferson. What we do with that God-given ability is up to us. Look around you, you think all men are equal? Nope, I didn’t think so. You need a course in the Constitution, my friend. As a civilian now, I carry everywhere and I don’t care who likes it. I am the one responsible for my safety and the Supreme Court as says so on many occasions.

        1. I’m guessing maybe you’re a CA cop or ex-cop or wannabe but giving you the benefit of the doubt, because you sound & talk like your above & on a pedestal from the rest of the civilians…You’re not! I am fully aware of the constitution, I took an oath to defend & uphold it and to my knowledge there is no expiration date on that. On being equal I was just trying to be brief…Of course where are NOT all equal that’s a fact. On duty 24/7? I know for a fact you have no obligation to put your life on the line to protect anyone & with the typical cop shooting time & time again I hear they empty 2 mags & couldn’t kill the perp, but got a couple innocents. Like I said I’ve had 3 relatives that were law enforcement so I’m not putting down Cops just saying they should not get a pass that the rest of us don’t get, I know cops training/shooting is no where near the rounds I put in annually with my pistols & AR’s so I don’t put my faith or trust in anybody but myself to protect me. That’s why there is no place I go where I’m not carrying my pistol & knife that’s life, but the difference is I won’t risk everything I own to protect an unknown unless my life is at risk & I doubt you will either…….And I do have a life a happy one since I left Ca 16 yrs ago and now live in the USA and not Northern Mexico Socialist Republic, and Cheers cuz I can drink in bars with my weapon it is great to be an American in a freedom loving state….for now!

          1. FYI I was on the job 25 years up North. Then I did PI work for 15 years and worked as Mitt Romney’s driver when he ran for office everytime he was in Mass and NH and NO I was not a cop in Mass. A cop is above the rest of the civilians. They take an oath to serve and protect and I was obligated to be on duty 24 seven. Maybe you’re the wannabe. I don’t know where you get all your factoids. My guess is you are ex military and so what you shoot a lot. I do too. I am now retired but I would still and have done step into danger to keep a civilian from getting hurt. So keep finding all those facts your throwing at me on snopes (now that is socialistic) . U r right u r the only one that has to look out for your safety and your families. I have all my pistols that I shoot regularly and my AR and a tactical shotgun so your list of all your guns you shoot don’t impress me. Enjoy your life in whatever free state you live and I will enjoy mine in the great Republic of Texas. But I will still step in the way of danger to protect someone else. BTW you might like my book coming out in April/May Cavazutti Crime: Show Down in Beantown. Are we all good?

    2. Actually most people commenting here are … but I understand why you, Charles Moore, would lie about it … because the position a majority of posters are taking is abhorrent…

    3. The right to self defense (concealed carry) in California is a privilege granted to only a few at the county level. This is not without limits as evidenced by having unarmed off duty law enforcement denied their weapons in a gun free zone. It’s this asinine view decided by some idiot/s that somehow all are magically protected in these rainbow zones. It’s been said there’s never a cop when you need one, but after each carnage there’s seems to be plethora of them. Where are all the cops before any massacre has occurred? Law inforcement in most cases are reactionary and cannot be everywhere to
      prevent these horrific acts. That being said, a deterent is the only way these tragedies can ever be addressed, if a society cannot protect themselves, we are left dependent on government to do that. So far every mass shooting shows that the government is incapable of protecting their citizens. Our elected representatives continue to disarm the law abiding, somehow thinking it will trickle down to criminals so they won’t be able to obtain any weapons. This is absolutely insane. Elected officials are responsible for endangering society by their agendas, and it seems off duty cops are too. Politicians have a hand in these tragedies with laws that don’t work.

    4. The arguments made here, by most people are abhorrent.
      They are suggesting that 12 people dead is OK, but that having six police officers armed is NOT OK.

      To say that this makes ARGUMENT no sense and is beyond SICK is a gross understatement.

        1. Actually most people commenting here are … but I understand why you, Charles Moore, would lie about it … because the position a majority of posters are taking is abhorrent.

          1. “Lie about it”????

            The whole point being made here – the point you refuse to acknowledge – is simple. If the six officers HAD been armed, the twelve civilians would not BE dead. Therefore, the problematic fact of disarmed officers actually IS worse than a specific number of deaths… because disarmed protectors (that is, if/when societal situations are without existing armed protection) means that the number of deaths WILL continue to increase in the future.


    6. If dept and or county law required all six to be disarmed, they at the least should have had access to
      less then lethal shotguns with LTL load to disable any attacker.
      Yes, going up against an unknown armed maniac (who happened to be a trained former marine) is tough,
      but doable.

      1. Using non lethal force against an armed active shooter!!! How about tranquilizer pea shooters!!
        Remember the Texas Ranger with a cocked & locked 1911 with the grip safety taped down with electrical tape. He was ask,”Isn’t that dangerous?”
        He replied, “I sure hope so”!!

        If a gun ain’t dangerous it is scrap iron!!
        Gun safety is in the owners brain!!

    7. In my state, no one can carry in a bar except working staff/owners, who must not drink on duty anyway. No patrons can legally.
      Iincident in the large rural part of the state some time back…… feller begins to patronise an establishment regularly, almost every night. Gets to know the other regulars, all is well. Known only by his first name… he’d sit at a table off near the back wall, not hiding, folks would come and chat, move on. One night a new guy walked in, went up the bar, pulled a gun on the Keep, waved it around ordering folks to get on the floor… ordered the Keep to empty the till into a bag and hand it him. Kept his gun pointed at Keep’s head as Keep was complying, carefully. New Regular quietly gets up, draws his revolver, aims, fires one round. Perp falls dead on the floor. Fols panic, screaming, pandemonium ensues… New Regular quietly slips out the front door, never minding the noise and choas. Sheriff had been called, shows up, walks in… place is quiet. Dead perp on floor ain’t saying much. Sheriff interviews everyone… all tell the same story…. NOT ONE OF THEM knows anything more about Bob than that he is Bob, and has been coming around for the past few weeks. No one knows his surname, where he works, what he drives, where he lives, he’s just Bob and has been coming around. After the one round was fired, no one paid a lick of attention to Bob, they were all in panic over the whole scene. No one saw him leave, in fact no one saw him after the gunshot. Sheriff had NOTHING on Bob. He dealt with Dead Perp, the place shut down for the night and to clean up the mess. Folks went home, quietly. Some thought they would surely be dead, as plenty of armed robbers prefer to make certain no one can ever ID them later. And there is only one reliable way to do that.

      Sheriff did announce that if anyone ever sees Bob again, please let him know I’d like to talk to him. He can find me at the Station. Seems Bob vapourised immediately he walked out that front door. My guess is he quietly shifted his domicile to a new place a couple counties away. Having used a revolver, no brass left behind to get found. Whether he kept that gun or sold it off and got a different one is anyone’s guess. My next guess is that the Sheriff thought about it all and realised he’d never meet Bob, nor did he have any way of trying to go find him. One thing is for sure… the perp will never do that again. And another, everyone there is VERY thankful for Bob and his work that night. Who knows how many regulars woud have been fitted for their very own personal body bags that night had Bob not “done the right thing” and “taken care of business”. I’ve also wondered if perhaps a few of the long tiime regulars did not also start carrying in that place as a regular habit.

    8. American police officers should be gallantly carrying concealed guns no matter where we are, day and night, every waking minute.

      American CITIZENS should be gallantly carrying concealed guns no matter where we are, day and night, every waking minute.

      Sorry (NOT!!) had to fix that for ya John.

      Some states allow armed folks to be IN a bar, but they cannot consume alcohol whilst being there in that state.

      Not my original idea, but we’ve got “Designated Drivers” to increase the odds their pals get home safely when they leave the bar. How’s about “Designated Defenders”, same thing only they increase the odds their pals get to leave the bar on their own two pins instead of in a body bag.

      Both classes of people go to the bar, and don’t drink, so they can fulfil their chosen duty for their friends. If every state would change the laws to allow sober carry in the establishments, then NO putative murderer would go in there BECAUSE the likelyhood there’d be someone to shoot back would be too hugh. Now its vanishingly small.
      Funny thing, in the one state near me where sober carry is legal, I am not aware of any such occurrence as what we’ve seen of late…. angry perp goes in to shoot the place up, knowing NO ONE can shoot back. Hmmmm.. wonder if there mightn’t be some think connexion……. ya think?

    9. Former LEO. It was always my understanding that we were expected to be on call 24/7/365. And if you are expected to be on call you need to be able to show up sober. Therefore, it follows, that cops should not be drinking, and certainly not in public. If this agency had a different protocol, and a cop can be drinking if he is not on duty, and if he is drinking he should not be armed. Just like a “citizen” I might add. Currently I go armed all the time, and there is a gun nearby even at home. I choose not to drink out of the house, and never more than one, in the house. If I need to use that gun at home I better be sober. If I need to leave the house at any time I’m going to be armed, and if armed, I need to be clear of alcohol. This is not a hardship for me since I’m not much of a drinker but I can understand where it might be for some for whom alcohol is a part of their lives. From my perspective they have a choice to make. Be armed and sober or — well there is no other choice. Don’t like this position, well okay. Think about any situation in which you have to use your gun, then think how it will look to the jury, grand or otherwise, if you had alcohol on board. What position is a rabid anti-gun prosecutor going to take when he learns that you shot somebody while impaired. Come on folks, this is a no brainer.

    10. I agree. LE are not some sort of super being. When not on duty you are a normal citizen and you should be subject to all of the same laws we endure. Its totally stupid they get a pass on carrying and other restrictions on CITIZENS.

      1. An LEO is on duty 24 hrs a day and can make an arrest anywhere the law for that state allows him. I was required to carry 24/7 by my Chief.

    11. I wonder if all these unarmed police officers in the bar who were drinking planned on getting into their cars and driving home, which is worse a drunk behind the wheel or a drunk cop with a gun?

      1. SO you have a breathalyzer shoved up your ass to make this judgment? Must be a liberal always judging other with whom you don’t agree. Average 200 pound guy needs about 6 drinks before they get to legally intoxicated. How many times have you been a .08 and been clearheaded? Oh, wait, you probably don’t drink because you are so judgy!!

    12. The stupid never stops it just gets stupider and stupider in moonbeams state. People are now burning to death in Calif because of the Jerry Browns stupidity. Passing more gun control laws is just proof of stupidity. How can U make murder more illegal.

    13. Just curios John what you are going to do when the state of Colorado passes the same laws that California has? For those not living in Colorado a little info. WE were the blue wave. Democrats now control the house and senate and governor elect Sodomite never met a gun control scheme he would not support. The dems passed magazine bans in this state and promptly had several members recalled. Payback is going to be a bitch. As for me, I always took Charleton Heston’s words literally. MOLON LABE Foot in the Forest

      1. Your cillective of County Sheriffs have BALLS and step-UP to the plate in defending the freedoms and liberties of even the dumbest idiots of Coloado that voted for your, Blue wave”.. Your Sheriffs will most likely, “veto” any unconstitutional, “laws” signed by your wingnut governor.

        A side note to all you lot-smoking gun-toters? I STRONGLY ADVISE choosing one or the other as your future with both looks awfully grim!

    14. 1) Property right matter, bering a co does not overriide that
      2) Even with Cops Guns and alcohol are a bad combination

    15. Off duty cop = citizen, just like anyone else. ALL citizens should have the right to carry wherever they go, but if you choose to partake in activities that preclude carrying a firearm, i.e. drinking, being a cop gives you no magical powers to ignore the effects or to perform at a top level. Get over your “some animals are more equal than others” attitude.

        1. Off-duty “cops” are subject to the same laws and restrictions as the “average” citizen, with the exception of being authorized to carry and arrest, in most locales. Take it from a former LEO

    16. “Armed” and “Police” are two words that should never be said together. Agents of the state should always be at a disadvantage when dealing with citizens.
      Cops work for us. Their carrying of weapons is a privilege that we the citizens can and should remove from them.

      Citizens should be armed, not government employees.

      1. @Chris Mallory, What is your problem with law enforcement? No, certified peace officers should be dis-armed to deal with criminals who most often do not respect the laws of our land, much less the well-being and safety
        of individual citizens. Without our various police agencies, our Nation would be in chaos.

    17. The shooting was in a bar. Officers were undoubtedly drinking. Gunpowder and alcohol should not mix, never mind the legal repercussions! I would take an inebriated officer over a whacko any day. But I’m not a lawyer.

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