Seattle Ice Cream Shop Flap: Is It a ‘Cop Thing’ or a ‘Gun Thing?’

Seattle Ice Cream Shop Flap: Is It a ‘Cop Thing’ or a ‘Gun Thing?’
Seattle Ice Cream Shop Flap: Is It a ‘Cop Thing’ or a ‘Gun Thing?’

U.S.A.-(AmmoLand.com)- The owner of a Seattle-based ice cream shop chain is making headlines for posting her shop off-limits to armed police officers, which some people are interpreting to be anti-cop, but careful examination of her remarks to reporters suggests this more about guns than the people who carry them on the job.

According to KOMO News, the ABC News Seattle affiliate, Molly Moon Neitzel has posted a sign in the window of her Molly Moon’s Homemade Ice Cream shop on the city’s Capitol Hill, the scene of a recent 16-day occupation by protesters demanding defunding and abolition of the police department. While a six-block area became known as the “CHOP” zone (for “Capitol Hill Occupied Protest”), and police officers were essentially kept out of the area, crime reportedly went up, including assaults, rape and shootings that claimed two lives and left others wounded.

Moon Neitzel told reporters her shop has always been a so-called “gun-free zones,” but she has now made it clear that applies to police officers as well as legally-armed private citizens. There are eight Molly Moon’s shops, but only the one on Capitol Hill has the sign advising police officers to leave their guns outside. In reaction, social media posts have called attention to the controversy.

According to Molly Moon’s website, “Our mission is to make the world better, one scoop at a time as a multigenerational gathering place with sustainability and happiness at the core of all we do.”

The business donates more than 20,000 gallons of milk to food banks annually, and “at least” 10 percent of profits goes to food banks, equity organizations, and women and girl empowerment initiatives, the website notes.

Last November, Molly Moon’s was honored with an award for being an Outstanding Philanthropic Small Business.

She encourages employees—referred to as the “mooncrew”—to be registered voters, to donate to Jaime Harrison, who is challenging veteran South Carolina Republican Sen. Lindsey Graham this fall, and to do volunteer work for organizations in the Seattle area.

On November 7th, in honor of National Philanthropy Day Molly Moon's was honored with the award for Outstanding Philanthropic Small Business.

While the print version of KOMO’s story quotes Moon Neitzel stating, “It’s awful that I fear for the health of my business – which is already on the brink – because of the pandemic. Now I fear for it because folks from out of state are threatening me on Instagram because I don’t want them in my ice cream shop,” a careful playback of the actual video reveals she really said this:

“Now I fear for it because folks from out of state are threatening me on Instagram because I don’t want guns in my ice cream shop”

She also said at the end of the KOMO report, “I hope that police officers see our sign and that that’s enough, and that they come back without their guns.”

She told KCPQ News, the local Fox News affiliate, “If they want to come into my shop and buy ice cream without a gun, they are welcome.”

Those remarks suggest strongly this isn’t a “cop thing,” it’s a “gun thing.”

As reported by KOMO, Moon Neitzel said police officers are welcome so long as they are not armed.

“I would say finish your shift,” she stated, “go home, take a shower, have dinner with your family, and please come to Molly Moon’s and get some ice cream. Everyone is welcome.”

Except that everyone apparently isn’t welcome. Anybody who carries a sidearm on the job, or is exercising his or her right to bear arms under the state and federal constitutions evidently isn’t welcome at all.

According to Eater Seattle, Moon Neitzel alleged the sign “was in response to an incident in which a businessman from California came into the Capitol Hill store on Friday and ordered $500 worth of ice cream specifically for local cops who have been patrolling the area, then alerted officers to pick it up at the store.”

This allegedly brought several officers to the ice cream shop “which put the staff, who were wary of the presence of so many armed officers, in an uncomfortable position.”

She also asserted that some of the officers “were harassing my employees.”

“They were intimidating and causing some of my black and brown employees to feel unsafe,” Moon Neitzel alleged.

The “gun-free zone” designation was part of a campaign initiated several years ago by Washington CeaseFire, a local gun prohibition organization. More than a hundred businesses designated themselves as “gun-free zones” in an effort to discourage armed citizens from entering their premises. The campaign hasn’t stopped gun-related homicides in the city, which have gone up, rather than down in recent years.

The ice cream shop owner told KOMO she supports the “Black Lives Matter” movement and the effort to defund Seattle Police.

Mike Solan, president of the Seattle Police Officers Guild, told KCPQ the sign is “political pandering” and it could backfire.

A check on Molly Moon’s website where she shares a company newsletter brought two reactions, both critical of the restriction imposed on police officers. Likewise, at the Law Officer website, reaction from people ranged from disappointment to bristling disdain.

Private businesses can impose whatever rules they want on their premises, but at the same time potential customers can spend their money somewhere else. Moon Neitzel told KCPQ her business is down more than 50 percent from the same period last year, blaming the COVID-19 pandemic, but she also acknowledged the sign may alienate some potential customers.



About Dave WorkmanDave Workman

Dave Workman is a senior editor at TheGunMag.com and Liberty Park Press, author of multiple books on the Right to Keep & Bear Arms and formerly an NRA-certified firearms instructor.

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Catatonic
Catatonic
26 days ago

She says, “I fear for the health of my business – which is already on the brink”. Well, alienating an entire class of potential customers is a sure way to tip on over the brink.

Get Out
Get Out
28 days ago

Carry CCW, go into her store, purchase ice cream and then eat the ice cream on site and then get up and leave when finished. Concealed carry is just that, concealed.

WayneO
WayneO
30 days ago

So you can refuse service to someone because they are exercising legal rights guaranteed in the US and Wa state constitutions, But you cannot refuse service to persons if you disagree with their sexual preferences which are guaranteed where ? No offense meant to the LGBTQ folks, I just thought that the right to refuse service to anyone for any reason went out the window when the cake baker lost in court to the gay couple. Guess not huh ??

RoyD
RoyD
30 days ago
Reply to  WayneO

How about when you go in the store you refrain from stating that you are queer or that you are carrying a gun. The first doesn’t apply to me and the second is nobodies business but mine. Works every time it is tried.

JIAZ
JIAZ
30 days ago

“Seattle” is the model for the Democratic-Socialist Party’s, as well as BLM’s and ANTIFA’s, end game for America.

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American Patriot
American Patriot
30 days ago

Sounds more like a joke & a double negative. No firearms sign by a municipal code so (1) if cops can’t come in who upholds the law. (2) LE are exempt while on duty to those laws…..No on duty cop will disarm!

mlhtd51
mlhtd51
30 days ago

I have noticed your sign and will respect your wishes by taking my business elsewhere. I Only Shop Where I Can Carry.

Superman
Superman
30 days ago
Reply to  mlhtd51

Ca$h talks loud. ‘When I feel the heat I see the light’ – former U.S. Senator Everett Dirksen.

JDT
JDT
30 days ago

I know what place I’m going to rob if I have to turn to a life of crime in these hard times. The ones that do not allow armed police!

BillyBobTexas
BillyBobTexas
30 days ago

HAHAHAHAHAHA what a moronic mental condition Molly Moon is in….

I don’t believe ANY supporter of gun-rights would EVER darken her doorstep……

..yeah, “go home, take OFF your uniform and gun and come back and spend your money in my store…” HAHAHAHAHAHA – as I said. A MORON.

Tionico
Tionico
30 days ago

Perhaps she will need to learn the lesson the hard way, I hope not, not for her sake but that of her patrons that might be harmed. Now news is out that she prohibits ALL guns, its only a matter of time before some thug decides that place would be an easy mark, as no one could shoot back, and the cops, once called, will not be able to enter to DO anything about it. When someone comes in ans stages an armed robbery and then decides to leave no witnesses behind that counld identify him, she will have no… Read more »

SoSueMe
SoSueMe
30 days ago

My parents, soon after they were married, moved to Spokane and after a brief stay decided to move back to the Midwest….I thank God everyday…

Superman
Superman
30 days ago
Reply to  SoSueMe

As a resident of Washington, so do I.

BobS
BobS
30 days ago

Moon Neitzel said police officers are welcome so long as they are not armed.

Most agencies require their officers to always be armed. They might be off the clock but they’re never off watch. How many cops will risk disciplinary action (up to dismissal) for a chance to buy her ice cream?

Superman
Superman
30 days ago
Reply to  BobS

Officers won’t be disciplined for entering her shop. But thanks for playing.

J Gibbons
J Gibbons
30 days ago
Reply to  Superman

Superman, are you aware of SPD’s policies for off-duty carry? If not, please keep your trolling to yourself.

AZ Lefty
AZ Lefty
30 days ago

Funny how private property rights do not matter to so many of you!

Tionico
Tionico
30 days ago
Reply to  AZ Lefty

not quite. Her HOME is privte property over which she has absolute control. She can impose whatever restriction upon ME she cares to impose, and then I have the optioin of complying with her limitations, or simply jot entering. But her SHOP? That is publically accessible, and her particular proclivities cannot be enforced in pubically accessible facility. State and federal laws govern that public space, and in Washington those who have suffered the burdens involved and obtained their Mother May I Card to carry a concealed personal defensive weapon upon their person cannot be denied access to her facility. Nor… Read more »

Superman
Superman
30 days ago
Reply to  Tionico

Yes, she can ban the carrying of weapons in her store. Just as a restaurant can state ‘no shoes, no shirt, no service’. But thanks for playing.

SoSueMe
SoSueMe
1 month ago

…and when a private citizen violates her gun-free shop, who does she call to arrest them? hmm?

Tionico
Tionico
30 days ago
Reply to  SoSueMe

Gotchya Miss Moon Brain……..

Superman
Superman
30 days ago
Reply to  SoSueMe

Under Seattle law and SPD policy, when the SPD arrive the owner tells the violator to leave. If the violator refuses, the SPD tells the violator to leave. If the violator still refuses to leave, he is arrested for trespassing.

KDad
KDad
1 month ago

If her employees felt uncomfortable around armed police officers, she’s got bigger problems than she can handle and should close her shop so her snowflakes can file for unemployment.

jukk0u
jukk0u
1 month ago

Thanks for this article. It is helpful to discover who supports your rights and who does not; those that do not, don’t get my support.

Ryben Flynn
Ryben Flynn
1 month ago

AFAIK, most if not every State gives an exception to Police on duty from “No Gun” signs. SOUTH CAROLINA: SECTION 23-31-220. Right to allow or permit concealed weapons upon premises; signs. (2) the right of a private property owner or person in legal possession or control to allow or prohibit the carrying of a concealable weapon upon his premises. The posting by the employer, owner, or person in legal possession or control of a sign stating “No Concealable Weapons Allowed” shall constitute notice to a person holding a permit issued pursuant to this article that the employer, owner, or person… Read more »

Superman
Superman
30 days ago
Reply to  Ryben Flynn

Who cares about South Carolina law? Stick to the subject!

uncle dudley
uncle dudley
1 month ago

The owner sounds like a flaming idiot and it’s her parents fault after all they named her Moon, she has encouraged her employee’s to send money to an out of state political campaign in South Carolina to unseat a republican, then she says she is worried that out of state people will ruin her business,Duh!
She should be glad that the cops would buy her ice cream.

GUNFUN
GUNFUN
1 month ago
Reply to  uncle dudley

Sounds like someone else bought her ice cream and had the cops pick it up.

Superman
Superman
30 days ago
Reply to  Dave Workman

And the goal of gunowners should be she has less and less paying customers every day. Less customers equals less feeling of harassment. A win for both sides!

Tionico
Tionico
30 days ago
Reply to  uncle dudley

Wshington law does provide that the owner of a business can post STATE MANDATRD and TO FORM, and in prescribed locaions relative to entryways, signage to convey the information that firearms are not allowed within the building. If those state specified signs are NOT posted the “wish” of the proprietor are unenforceable. WITH compliant signage (which is almos tuniversally lacking in Washington) and “IF the owner/person in control notices a weapon in possession,that person MAY ask the individdual in possession to REMOVE THE WEAPON from the premises, at which point the person may return, unarmed. IF the person refuses, THEN… Read more »

BigJim
BigJim
1 month ago

Moon Nazi has just declared “come rob my place criminals!”

gregs
gregs
1 month ago

thank God i do not live in a place like washington state! personally, i wouldn’t spend my money there, although i really like ice cream. what she doesn’t know, she doesn’t know, that’s why they call it concealed carry. aren’t some police officers required to carry off duty?

Superman
Superman
30 days ago
Reply to  gregs

Yes, thank God you don’t live in Washington! Your IQ is too low anyway. Stay in the Ozarks and keep inbreeding.

towef
towef
1 month ago

oh…

RJL
RJL
1 month ago

Welcome Criminals, Shooting Gallery Now Open.

John Ruger
John Ruger
1 month ago

Check out the bottom of the
no guns inside.

While prohibiting guns, they think they can have a violator arrested. Who is going to arrest them? Police are prohibited from entering or trespassing. That is a conumdrum. Do as I say, not as I do.

Last edited 1 month ago by John Ruger
GUNFUN
GUNFUN
1 month ago
Reply to  John Ruger

Walk yourself out the front door, please.

D. L.
D. L.
1 month ago
Reply to  John Ruger

Maybe she’s hoping a social worker will perform an intervention to convince the “gun wearing police officer” to self arrest? I swear we are seeing the end result of common core education.

SoSueMe
SoSueMe
30 days ago
Reply to  D. L.

Yes!

Jaque
Jaque
1 month ago

Gee. This idiot just advertised come rob me. And cops will have trouble getting to her place when the robbery call goes out.

Liberalism is a mental disorder

Green Mtn. Boy
Green Mtn. Boy
1 month ago

Her business her rules,however if she and her store are in need of the police they may tell her call someone who cares, them are the breaks.

Grigori
Grigori
1 month ago

!

Last edited 1 month ago by Grigori
BoydK
BoydK
1 month ago

We’re going to be able to hear that business crater in from all the way across Lake Washington.