NY: Gillibrand Believes the Impossible; Making Gun Sales Illegal Will Work

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U.S.A.-(AmmoLand.com)- Those who wish to disarm other people have a disconnect with reality. They refuse to believe some things are not possible. This creates problems.

One of the reasons people push to disarm others is they refuse to arm themselves. Having made that decision, or, having had that decision made for them; they personally see no cost to their disarming of others.

Disarm that guy over there. He is not me. It doesn’t hurt me.

This is how ideologues who refuse to accept reality get elected again and again. Consider Kirsten Gillibrand, U.S. Senator from New York.  From the nydailynews.com:

A measure to create a federal gun trafficking crime failed to make it through the Senate in 2013, on the heels of the devastating shooting that killed 20 schoolchildren in Newtown, Conn. Still, Gillibrand said she was “very hopeful” the legislation will pass this time around.

“Guns travel up the iron pipeline along I-95 from states like Florida or Georgia or Pennsylvania where gun laws are far less strict,” Gillibrand said in the news conference. “The percentage of illegally trafficked guns in New York State has continued to grow in recent years, but I refuse to believe that we can’t stop these illegal guns from coming into our state.”

She plans to reintroduce the legislation this week, according to her office. Adams praised Gillibrand for her dogged decade-long effort on the bill.

It is already illegal to buy a gun outside of New York, bring it to New York, and sell it in New York, without going through a federally licensed dealer. It is a felony in both federal law and New York State law. Gillibrand seems to think making those actions somehow more illegal, with more law, will work where the current laws do not.

Consider her self-admitted mindset:

I refuse to believe that we can’t stop these illegal guns from coming into our state.

The laws have been in place for more than 50 years. It is part of the framework of the 1968 Gun Control Act. Homicide skyrocketed after the 1968 GCA was passed. The legal restrictions have not worked the whole time.  In New York, in 1967, the murder rate was 6.5 per 100k. It was rising rapidly. It reached a peak of 14.5 in 1990. Then it started falling. the current rate, 2.9 is the lowest since 1965.  Gun laws in the rest of the nation became less and less restrictive since 1987.

You cannot have a free republic, with the limits and checks on government which we have, and do what Gillibrand wants done. Nor is there any evidence what she wants done would have any effect on the number of people murdered.

The latest numbers, from 2019, show 7,363 guns were traced in New York State in 2019. The largest category was taken simply for illegal possession (3,395), some may have been from gun “buybacks” (Orwellian speak for gun turn-in events). Of the guns whose state of origin could be determined, New York was the largest number, 1,048 of 4,974, or 21%.  At most, 6315 guns of all types came from outside of New York.

That is an average of about 17.3 guns a day from outside of New York. It is a tiny amount of guns. Only 18 guns would be required to be smuggled per day into New York, in the millions of vehicles that enter New York every day, to keep up this number.  The time from when the guns were purchased, until they were traced in New York averaged 11.25 years.

Consider the guns traced from Mexico. In 2019, there were 13,387 guns from the United States traced from Mexico. The border with Mexico is much more tightly controlled than the border with New York. There are many more people in Mexico than New York. Gun control in Mexico is much more intense than it is in New York. The homicide rate in Mexico is much higher in Mexico than in New York. In 2019 it was Mexico 29 per 100K  population. In  NY it was 2.9, only 10% of that in Mexico.

There is plenty of evidence the number of legal guns in a population does not affect the murder rate.

Brazil, India, and China all have roughly the same number of illegally owned firearms per 100 people.  The homicide rates vary from six times the rate of the U.S. (Brazil) to 2/3 the rate of the U.S. (India) to one eighth the rate of the U.S. (China).

These numbers verify the research of John Lott, which shows there is no correlation between homicide numbers and the number of guns owned per 100 people. Lott’s study compares all the countries in the world he could obtain data from. (from 2014)

There is plenty of evidence the number of guns does not affect the overall suicide rate.

They may have some small effect on the number of murders with guns, or the number of suicides with guns, but they do not change the overall numbers.

Why push the obviously flawed concept of controlling the gun flow, in order to reduce violent crime and homicides, when it demonstrably does not work?

For Gillibrand, this is a brand. It is what won her the Senate seat, and placed her in a position of power and authority, one of the most influential and powerful people in the world. That is plenty of reason enough.

It costs her nothing. It is important to understand, the people who want others disarmed, assume such policies cost them nothing. They may be wrong in the long-term analysis. They may also be dead long before any adverse effects would impact them.

The adverse effects may take generations. Then again, the adverse effects of generations of undermining the rule of law and ignoring the Constitution of the United States appear to be having a significant adverse effects right now, in 2021.


About Dean Weingarten:

Dean Weingarten has been a peace officer, a military officer, was on the University of Wisconsin Pistol Team for four years, and was first certified to teach firearms safety in 1973. He taught the Arizona concealed carry course for fifteen years until the goal of Constitutional Carry was attained. He has degrees in meteorology and mining engineering, and retired from the Department of Defense after a 30 year career in Army Research, Development, Testing, and Evaluation.

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FORD Will
FORD Will
1 month ago

gillieband is a consummate liar & phony. AND POS!

Wass
Wass
1 month ago

It’s as if these morons went through the American public school education process and lived through American culture, but never heard of Prohibition.

Last edited 1 month ago by Wass
DIYinSTL
DIYinSTL
1 month ago

Of note, the ATF document on trace requests has no mention of the number of guns confiscated by the Mexican authorities, only the number of requested traces. When Obama claimed 85+% of confiscated guns in Mexico were from the U.S., that was really the success rate of traces. When you factor in the total guns confiscated the real number was about 11% were from the U.S.

Henry Bowman
Henry Bowman
1 month ago

“You cannot have a free republic, with the limits and checks on government which we have, and do what Gillibrand wants done. Nor is there any evidence what she wants done would have any effect on the number of people murdered.” Commiecrats like Gillibrand want an end to freedom, an end to limited government. The Commiecrat Party seeks absolute power forever. Crime, suicides, etc. are just pretexts to justify stripping you of the one means by which their totalitarianism can be stopped. They do not care about victims of crime or suicide. They care only for the power to rule… Read more »

Oldman
Oldman
1 month ago
Reply to  Henry Bowman

Most of the State and Federal legislators think that the Bill of Rights being lost will only affect the the common citizen. They are so, for lack of a better word, STUPID, and can’t even think far enough ahead, that they too will become the ‘common man’. For me, I will not bend a knee, not even one inch.

Last edited 1 month ago by Oldman
ExGob
ExGob
1 month ago

How is making gun sales illegal going to have a positive affect on crime? Most guns used in the commission of a crime are stolen, anyway. Anyone who would use a gun illegally, would certainly have no qualms about stealing that gun, and it’s the cheapest and surest way to get one that isn’t registered to the criminal who stole it. We can’t expect the crime rate to decrease by making it more difficult for law abiding citizens to arm themselves for self protection and, if necessary, the protection of other innocents. That’s the reasoning behind the 2nd amendment to… Read more »

IAMWHOIAM
IAMWHOIAM
1 month ago

I wish writer’s would stop comparing the U.S. to other countries when it comes to gun issues. What other countries have the 2nd amendment? I think we should be concentrating on what’s happening within our borders and territories!

Henry Bowman
Henry Bowman
1 month ago
Reply to  IAMWHOIAM
Russn8r
Russn8r
1 month ago
Reply to  Henry Bowman

Go Czechos!

Last edited 1 month ago by Russn8r
American Cynic
American Cynic
1 month ago

Yes, I agree, but there is a Leftist crowd building in America that knows full well, that an armed American citizenry puts a dampener on their vision of becoming a one-party tyranny. They know full well that American citizens who have more guns than people represents a standing army against their Leftist tyranny. Gun confiscation is their only wet dream. Let’s not pretend that diminishing gun violence is their goal. Every time there is gun violence, no one speaks of what might have thwarted it. No, they always jump on the gun control bandwagon and look to confiscate guns from… Read more »

Mystic Wolf
Mystic Wolf
1 month ago
Reply to  American Cynic

That leftist ideology has been around for a good many decades it is nothing new. What the communist left want is to rule this country with an iron fist and they can’t as long as the people are armed and partially ready for what comes next. Look at the things that quid-pro-joe has been saying, that guy has been in office since 1972 and before. Yeah when you have dementia riddled swamp creatures that are on a rip to forcibly disarm this country then there is a problem. WHEN THE GOVERNMENT IS AFRAID OF THE PEOPLE THERE IS FREEDOM, WHEN… Read more »

JimmyS
JimmyS
1 month ago

The British Parliament and the King thought that the “Intolerable Acts” were a good way to keep the American colonists in line, to assert who was in charge.

Keep pushing, you traitorous filth. Eventually, you’ll find out who’s in charge.

Jeffersonian
1 month ago

“Those who wish to disarm other people have a disconnect with reality.”
Not if you understand who they really want to disarm.

swmft
swmft
1 month ago

how many of the guns traced in mexico were obummer plants fast and fuc up

Tank
Tank
1 month ago

Her logic is flawed per usual rationale. Has any progress ever been made to stop illegal drugs to flow into any state ? Has using a teaspoon vs. tablespoon ever prevented people from being fat ?
Guns are are part of our culture for many reasons. Guns are what secure’s our liberty & keeps the tyrant Wolves from feeding on the Sheep/Lambs. Not the Shepard who actually works with the Wolves since Rome.

Montana454Casull
Montana454Casull
1 month ago

Stupid is as stupid does and Gillibrand is a stupid bitch ! Her false narratives are almost humorous. We can see how well he ignorance works for New Yorkers. Anyone who votes for her is a brainwashed idiot !

Winchester1873
Winchester1873
1 month ago

She is a dizzy and useless woman.

Jonesy
Jonesy
1 month ago
Reply to  Winchester1873

True. Maybe she should go back to using her old name.

Monkey Mouse
Monkey Mouse
1 month ago

Funny thing about NY – they want to be able to sue gun manufacturers for people using their product, yet think that the same manufacturers will still sell the police and other armed agencies in that state firearms and ammo. Gillibrand needs to crawl back into the hole she came out of!

Henry Bowman
Henry Bowman
1 month ago
Reply to  Monkey Mouse

Firearm manufacturers ought to stop all sales to governments that infringe on our 2A. No guns, therefore, to CA, NY or IL cops, etc. Ditto on Ammo.

Russn8r
Russn8r
1 month ago
Reply to  Henry Bowman

Hell, the dummies won’t even move out of Connecticut & NY, now you expect them all to get together and refuse to make money on sales to Calizuela? Never happen. Cartels don’t work. Whoever cheats makes big $. Probably illegal too.

Last edited 1 month ago by Russn8r
AJChwick
AJChwick
1 month ago
Reply to  Monkey Mouse

Sadly though, some manufacturer would fill the void of a manufacturer who refuses to sell to NYS. That’s capitalism, pure and simple. A simialer mechanism is there for civilians when BANs are installed, and that one is called the Black Market. Again, capitalism in play.

DDS
DDS
1 month ago
  1. Ban the sale of guns.
  2. ???
  3. End gun violence.

I think Senator Gillibrand needs to have a long sit down talk with South Park’s Underpants Gnomes.

Sisu
Sisu
1 month ago

I appreciate and agree with the analysis and criticism of Gillibrand. Nevertheless, given the overwhelming (albeit still currently “circumstantial”) evidence of corrupt voting systems during the 2020 Presidential Election and special elections since, particularly in demorat states, I believe (with a high level of confidence) the reason someone like Gillibrand is elected is due to corrupt voting systems, not because the people of NYS want her as their US Senator (same for schumcker). … Further she did not “win” the seat – originally she was appointed to fill the seat vacated by hillary clinton when she became secretary of state.… Read more »

Russn8r
Russn8r
1 month ago
Reply to  Sisu

Q-tards die hard.