Leak Shows ATF Is Trying to Force FFLs Into Digitizing 4473

Millions of law-abiding citizens submit to background checks, as intimated by the president's comment to reporters. (Dave Workman)
Leak Shows ATF Is Trying to Force FFLs Into Digitizing 4473

MARTINSBURG, WV-(Ammoland.com)- According to a leak provided to AmmoLand News and verified by a second leak from a Gun Owners of America (GOA) source, the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF) will stop issuing variances allowing for offsite storage of 4473 forms.

For years, the ATF has issued variances to federal firearms licensees (FFLs) who did not have room on-site to store the 4473 forms collected over the years. FFLs are required to hold the background check forms for 25 years. This period could mean 1000s of forms at an FFL’s location. Small gun shops with limited space could easily run out of room to store the massive volumes of records.

The ATF is also anticipating Notice of Proposed Rule Making (NPRM) 2021R-05 to be published in 2022. That rule will amend 27 CFR 478.129 to require FFLs to store all ATF forms permanently, which would further burden the licensed dealers. Although dealers would be allowed to keep documents over 20 years offsite, that location could be searched without a warrant by the ATF under the new rule. This rule would have no beneficial effect on cutting down on crime.

The leak came from an ATF employee and was further backed up by a message the Field Management Staff Chief authorized. According to the sources, the ATF claims that such approvals for variances for offsite record-keeping run contrary to the Gun Control Act of 1968 (GCA). The ATF came to this conclusion even though the Bureau has been issuing variances for years.

The memo reads: “ATF, in limited circumstances, has previously issued variances to licensees permitting the offsite storage of ATF Forms 4473, excluding those executed (generally) within the most recent three-year timeframe. However, such approvals run contrary to the Gun Control Act of 1968 (GCA), codified at 18 U.S.C. 923(g)(1)(A) which states “[e]ach licensed importer, licensed manufacturer, and licensed dealer shall maintain such records of importation, production, shipment, receipt, sale or other disposition of firearms at his place of business for such period, and in such form, as the Attorney General may by regulations prescribe.”

Some activists with knowledge of the new policy believe that its true purpose is to force FFLs to either digitize their records or hand them over to the ATF. It would be theoretically more accessible for the ATF to gather information on gun purchasers and the firearms they buy by storing the documents in digital form. The ATF could just request a flash drive of copies of all the 4473s at a gun dealer’s location instead of having to go through all the documents at the FFL premise.

An earlier leak showed that the ATF used industry operations investigators (IOIs) to run retroactive background checks on gun buyers who used concealed carry permits instead of being submitted through NICS. By digitizing the records, it could make running retroactive background checks easier for the IOIs.

Another concern is that according to a leak turned up by AmmoLand News; the ATF is scanning out of business records with optical character recognition scanners that could be used to make a searchable database. Some worry the goal is to create an even more extensive database.

The true goal of the ATF is unknown. According to the ATF, it is just fixing a misinterpretation of the law.


About John Crump

John is a NRA instructor and a constitutional activist. John has written about firearms, interviewed people of all walks of life, and on the Constitution. John lives in Northern Virginia with his wife and sons and can be followed on Twitter at @crumpyss, or at www.crumpy.com.

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Russn8r

IF ONLY SOMEONE HAD THOUGHT OF SAYING THAT IN ALL CAPS BEFORE!

NOW THEY WILL FINALLY ABOLISH ATF/RESCIND NFA!

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MikeRoss

25 years? When did that change?

gregs

well, when nprm 2021R-05 comes out get out your inkwell and quill and let them know how you feel, i know i will. this is a rather blatant attempt to create a firearms registry in violation of the gca. why else would the bureau update the 4473’s and make dealers maintain records in perpetuity? I’m actually surprised it took them this long to think this up. wouldn’t it be ironic if all those old 4473’s burned in a fire, like the ones that happen at peaceful protests all across America? tyranny happens when governments get too large and think they… Read more »

Laddyboy

Up voted this FACT! The ‘atf/aft’ bureaucracy IS ILLEGAL! It was instituted by a director in the ‘irs’ and NOT BY CONGRESS!!!!

Tank

100% spot on. But they have been building bedrock for this for years. There are no coincidences or accidents in politics. The system is a corrupt & out of control Juggernaut that lies to We the People & is never accountable to the people with culpability or real criminal punishment, only cares about it’s avarice & greed at the top. Current status is no different than NAZI Germany or Rome. Both of those Empires fell & the people in charge at the top got away with it as they always do throughout twistory. Those twistorical facts coupled with many of… Read more »

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Patriot Solutions

Once the masonic Khazarian Canaanite Jew globalist bankers mafia reduce the population down to the numbers they wrote on the Georgia Guide Stones those triple stranded DNA GMO 3.0 transhuman cyborgs left will not have guns and then the global warming problem will be fixed and our heritage will be their profits.

https://gettr.com/post/pc5xp6611c

They even made it trendy for the young folks to want a free ride to their islands for, well, you know.

https://gettr.com/post/pj6yfma0dc

Last edited 1 month ago by Patriot Solutions
Tank

Nice !
Your directly over target.
Bravura

Rob

Ditto that!

Patriot Solutions

Nothing new under the sun.

https://gettr.com/post/pj7hck999f

Literally, just another day in paradise.

https://gettr.com/post/pj7sosf8f0

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Patriot Solutions

By thousands of years brother.

https://gettr.com/post/pj7uhpeea8

Patriot Solutions

They’ll come after us for being there too, as they always have.

RicktheBear

What _is_ your problem?

Last edited 1 month ago by RicktheBear
Tank

The problem is the ignorance. Rather than investigate for yourself what he’s talking about or at the very least make an inquiry what the reference is you choose to attack the truth. That’s the problem.

Wild Bill

If you are not a Mason, then all one has for information about the Masons is hearsay, rumor, and intentional lies.

Tank

Another one of your falsehoods – mis/Dis information you continually pass out here. This is why I ignore you & will continue to do so. If someone holds an opinion contrary to yours or what your limited knowledge is then you attack & discredit without ever investigating further to introspectively thinking maybe that you need to look at it differently. This is called cognitive bias. Your guilty of that x’s a gigaparsec. You know nothing about me, my service to this country, you know nothing about my family’s Masonic history or anything about my education. You know NADA. In other… Read more »

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Oldman

@Tank, If you are ignoring WB, why do you continue your diatribe against him? Ignore him for God’s sake and spare the rest of us this childish crap, that seems to keep everyone’s interest on oneupmanship and nothing else. No one here has a sacred opinion that must never be challenged. That’s what it’s all about.

Wild Bill

Oh, sorry man, I did not mean to get dragged into this foolishness. My apologies.

Wild Bill

You are right. The stuff that he writes will not improve his wallet nor the wallet of anyone here. Although, I would like to read his resume.

Oldman

@WB No need to apologize to me, sir. Tank drew me into it with his saying that he was ignoring you in several posts and then he just kept it going. Personally, I believe that when two people have different positions on any subject, they make their arguments and then when there is still no agreement they go into neutral corners. If they can come up with another answer they go back into the ring and state it again. There is no need to devolve into name calling, etc. Yes and you are correct. I too have done the same… Read more »

Tank

Pious, sanctimonious, ecclesial, reverent, priestly hypocritical didactic judgement yourself eh…

Sacred opinion ? Really ? Seriously ?

“I’m no better than those I judge with all my suffering.”

Lol

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Patriot Solutions
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Wild Bill

Anything that you research on-line is secondary research, at best. At worst intentional lies.
On-line may be easy, but it is unworthy of your efforts.

Patriot Solutions
Wild Bill

It lacks foundation. Just saying.

Tank

Your hilarious & have zero idea what your talking about or your a disinfo shill. There are tons of clues. Your either not capable/inept or lousy @ cypher/crypto. However (I support & defend your right), you do get the right of voicing your opinion despite you not being able to actually understand what crypto/analgrams/cypher/palindromes actually are. Lol – Love to hear your explanation & hear you try to solve the Sartor Square Palindrome. . https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sator_Square You never leaned to stay in your lane & someone older than you never taught you how to keep quiet when you don’t know what… Read more »

Wild Bill

That first thing is not a sentence. What are you trying to say?

Tank

I would bet good money that there are several shills here running Dis/mis info & stirring the pot. I’m not sure ai have ever seen such a obvious instances of lack of research or knowledge when it’s so easily verifiable. I also think there is a deliberate effort here to attack & discredit people who are sharing the truth of how the Masonic system works.

Tank

OK Wild Bill it’s beyond obvious your a disinfo shill or here to discredit/derision. Your opinion is one I will ignore for eternity I can assure you. Every-time I read your limited perspective opinion on how things work, I find myself tying half my
brain behind my back just to make it palpable your seriously obnoxious this point. Your the type of village idiot always yelling “Hold My Beer”. Seen it over & over year after year.

Opinion is the medium between Knowledge & Ignorance.
Plato

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Wild Bill

I just disagree with information obtained from the internet. But Merry Christmas, anyway.

Tank

As usual Wild Bill your talking out your arse. You have no idea what my background is. You want the comfort of your opinion to trump first hand knowledge of people in the know or that actually really know how it works. Peddle you BS somewhere else as it won’t fly here. Your very foundation (which there is none) of your comment is flawed. You have no way to confirm or deny anyone’s Masonic knowledge or family history. NADA.

Wild Bill

What is your background. What degrees do you have? What colleges and universities did you attend? What financial companies have you worked for?
Anybody can say “… you are talking out of your arse …”
If you have done original research and been published, then I’d love to read it. If you have actual knowledge, spill it! I call.
I never mentioned anything about family history or their Masonic knowledge. Sooo… what are you talking about?

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JSNMGC

Arguments should be able to stand on their own.

You have an infatuation with credentials and run from actual discussions.

What is your opinion of Philip Brailsford and the people who supported him, with respect to the killing of Daniel Shaver?

Wild Bill

Tank opened the door calling his own credentials into question, by writing, “You have no idea what my background is.” So I asked him.

JSNMGC

I see. Was that in response to you questioning his background?

You have brought up the topic before.

I strongly suspect there are people here who have a superior formal education and experience than you with respect to some topics you have stepped into and they don’t flaunt those credentials because it would distract from the argument itself and for other reasons.

JSNMGC

I went back and read the exchange.

Wild Bill

No responce, so I must assume the worst

JSNMGC

Do you mean with respect to Tank’s education and work experience?

I wouldn’t assume the worst.

Wild Bill

He was vague, so I get to explore it all. That is the rule.
Oh, yes, I get to assume the worst. That is also in the rule.

JSNMGC

You get to do whatever you want.

I indicated I wouldn’t assume the worst.

Wild Bill

Oh, perhaps I misunderstood. Well, until he speaks up for himself, I get to assume that he is not the big noise that he claims. Which damages his assertions.

JSNMGC

Of course you get to do that – hopefully state guards will never get so large that they round-up people who have opinions and send them off to internment camps.

Wild Bill

I have three college degrees, cumulating in a doctorate, and Command and General Staff College (a three year degree only conferred by the US Military)

JSNMGC

Good for you.

You have jumped into at least one conversation where those degrees may not be of much relevance and your work experience may not be relevant to that topic.

Others may have degrees and work experience superior to yours with respect to some topics. That doesn’t nullify your argument. Your argument and their argument should be able to stand on the merits of the argument.

Wild Bill

You can not jump to that relevance conclusion because I did not say what the degrees were or what my majors were.

JSNMGC

I may do whatever I like, but I didn’t jump to a conclusion – you just assigned that position to me. I wrote: “where those degrees may not be of much relevance and your work experience may not be be relevant to that topc” emphasis added. I concluded your education and experience may not be of much relevance to that topic based on what you wrote during that discussion. Of course, your degrees may be exactly on point for that topic and it’s possible you were never in the army and you were never a lawyer, and you never ran… Read more »

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Russn8r

Who cares? You’re the only one I see here pumping yourself up full of yourself, and it.

Russn8r

oooooooh. ahhhhhh.

Is your doctorate in passive-aggression, projection, and other effeminate liberal techniques, or were you born with those talents?

Tank

Yawn.

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Will

WB,you got that right!

Russn8r

Tell you whut!

Patriot Solutions
Patriot Solutions

“We all live in the yellow submarine the yellow submarine the yellow submarine………..”

Patriot Solutions

Masonic Illuminati has always planned well in advance. Their symbolism is everywhere and throughout pedowood and even in their architecture like at Rothchilds Wayfair building in Boston. Their minions will run into the fire to protect them. Those rappers are all Masons and they run massive pedo rings too. Everything is corrupted.

Tank

I think that there is a core of individuals who are either shills here or would never think outside their extremely limited box of thinking. I quit voting here months ago El when I realize there was a group think here that can’t think independently yet constantly ostracizes & didactically uses ad hominem tactics. They will never open their minds while claiming they hold the gnosis. Seen it for decades.

And so it goes …

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USMC0351Grunt

Well? Start the process!

Wild Bill

I think that process is called … elections. And it has already started. We need to elect people with the courage to write that memo that would decommission the BATFE and. repeal the GCA/NFA. Merry Christmas.

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DDS

“And it has already started”

Nowadays it seems like it never stops.

Tackleberry

“There are three and only three ways to reform our Congressional legislation, familiarly called, the ballot box, the jury box, and the cartridge box”. – Fredrick Douglas

Individual belief argues where we are on that chain of events.

Patriot Solutions

Odd that people don’t know the true goal of the ATF and why they are doing this. Big R stores in Colorado are completely digital for years. No paper 4473’s.

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Tank

The learning curve for many is steep. If you don’t think same or similar to what or how they think, the ego & cognitive bias kicks into overdrive.

Patriot Solutions

Yep, whatever it takes to keep reality contained to their agenda that fits nicely inside a real small box no bigger than a cigar box.

Tank

There are several shills/trolls here. Not sure how many are personas/cgi etc. But it does exist here & they will always be contrarian comments regardless of how much truth we share.

Arizona

“Just fixing a misinterpretation of the law”… that pesky 2nd amendment! Fatf. Their very existence is repugnant to the Constitution. Both recent proposed rules are full of unconstitutional infringements. Requiring ffl’s to keep 4473’s indefinitely is a de facto registry, which per the GOPA of 1996 is illegal.

Deplorable Bill

First, “the right to keep and bear arms shall NOT be infringed.” the second amendment says the governments ONLY LEGAL mission concerning firearms, the right to keep and bear arms and anything else a militia would use is SHALL NOT INFRINGE. Thus the atfe AND their 4473 are both against the constitution. That makes them criminal, tyrannical and treasonous. Anyone who says different is misinformed at best and absolutely evil at worst. There are legal remedies for tyranny and treason. Anyone who has been on the computer knows there are ways to get information off of private and government sites.… Read more »

Green Mtn. Boy

You summed it up and I don’t think anyone including myself could have stated it more succinctly,Kudos.

Patriot Solutions

But still if the ATF didn’t exist because they all got jailed the rules would still be there and it is the rules that are the unaddressed elephant in the room. Most of us have been here for many years ultimately with very limited victorys because the elephant is still not being addressed. Lots of money paid in to gun groups too but still not addressed.

USMC0351Grunt

OK, then you too! Get with Ole’ Tex and Deplorable Bill up there and START THE PROCESS!

Patriot Solutions

I can’t remember 4473’s being required when 2A was ratified. It’s almost as if what the jesters say means nothing at all. I often wonder why they even exist.

USMC0351Grunt

OK, So? Get with Tex above you there and START THE PROCESS!

Wild Bill

I don’t mean to disagree, however, the GCA is upheld as constitutional because it controls commerce. Congress wanted the buying and selling of our favorite commodity to go through vendors with a federal license… supposedly.
We all know that that is a cover story because if that were true it would be called the Commerce Control Act of 1968. But it is not.
Having gotten that out of the way. If we are to get back to SHALL NOT INFRINGE, we must elect people that are willing to correct this legal fiction.
Oh, and Merry Christmas, brother.

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