Where You Used to go Armed in New York

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U.S.A. –-(AmmoLand.com)- There is a bill in the New York Assembly that makes most destinations into “gun-free” zones. I call it the “Prohibited Places” bill and you need to know the back story for this to make any sense at all.. even to the politicians.

It never made sense for honest citizens.

First, there is an important case before the US Supreme Court called NYSRPA v Bruen. That case asserts that New York State required ordinary people to get a permit to carry a firearm in public, and then denied those permits to ordinary citizens. It sounds like New York Democrats are conceding that they infringed on the right of self-defense and will lose the Bruen case. Maybe a liberal justice on the Supreme Court already gave them the text of that decision.

That brings us to Bill A8684 before the New York Assembly which “Prohibits firearms in certain locations, including but not limited to all forms of public transportation, large gatherings, and food and drink establishments.”

Since New York Democrats will soon have to issue carry permits, they want to make everywhere a gun-free zone for everyone.

 

Bill A8684:

A person commits a Class E felony if they-

“knowingly has in his or her possession a rifle, shotgun, or firearm in or upon the following locations:

“Any form of public transportation, including but not limited to railroads, ride-sharing services, paratransit services, subways, buses, air travel, taxis or any other public transportation service;

“Food and drink establishments; or

“Large gatherings, which for the purposes of this section shall mean a gathering together of fifteen or more persons for amusement, athletic, civic, dining, educational, entertainment, patriotic, political, recreational, religious, social, or similar purposes.

I couldn’t tell if the usual suspects are above the law. Does this law apply to off-duty law enforcement officers, judges, security guards, and politicians? Does it apply to retired cops, retired judges and retired politicians? If the law makes us safer, then it should certainly make them safer too. I can’t think of a single reason why they should be exempt.

Bad things happen when uninformed lawmakers make rules for other people. According to this bill, mere possession of the gun is a crime. That means you can’t have a shotgun or rifle competition with more than 15 people on the premises. Most shooting ranges/gun stores became illegal if they let more than a handful of customers in the door at one time. This bill also outlaws most concealed carry classes. There went your 4H firearms safety class and your school’s rifle team.

We are all at risk when politicians make laws they don’t understand.

It used to be legal to bring a firearm to the airport and declare that firearm with your checked luggage. Now, possession of that luggage is a crime as you walk into the airport.

Your church security team was just disarmed, and restaurant and bar owners were just disarmed at work. That is really bad since those businesses are already a frequent target for robbery. Was this law written to make robbery easier for the criminals?

It sounds like my Christmas party, my 4th of July celebration, and my birthday party would also be illegal. Fortunately, that is easy to fix because I can celebrate those out of state. Not everyone is so lucky.

It would become a felony for us to use private ride-sharing services while we transport our firearms. That means more of us will drive our own car or have to rent a car.

Firearm possession is against the law, not carrying concealed.

I couldn’t help but notice that this law is an absolute gift to the thieves who are robbing taxi drivers, Uber drivers, and Lyft drivers every day. New York Democrats would be shocked, but some of those drivers would rather survive than be carjacked. The rideshare drivers would like to retain their means of livelihood since they own the car rather than the car belonging to the rideshare services. Now the driver commits a felony if he has his firearm in his own car as he works.

I wonder if the bill is written that way on accident or if those are the intended feature of the bill. Maybe the bill is simply a way to eliminate rideshare services and force us back to unionized and regulated taxicabs.

Maybe this bill was written for the restaurants that catered to New York politicians. Sure, they wanted to put up “no-guns-allowed” signs, but then gun owners would go to restaurants where armed patrons were welcome. This bill is a way to get rid of that competition since all restaurants become “gun-free” zones. That is less far-fetched than it sounds since money talks in New York politics.

Sheriffs in up-state New York will hate it. Hunters could no longer take their cased firearms into a restaurant when they stop to eat. This will become the “steal my hunting gun” bill. Do New York Democrats think it a problem when criminals have more guns, or is that part of their plan?

The solution is straightforward. We have to hold the state liable for the damages it causes. The state must be forced to assume absolute liability for any and all injuries and damages we sustain because we were disarmed. New York Democrats say this law will save many lives so they should be eager to pay up.


About Rob Morse

The original article, with sources, is posted here. Rob Morse writes about gun rights at Ammoland, at Clash Daily, at Second Call Defense, and on his SlowFacts blog. He hosts the Self Defense Gun Stories Podcast and co-hosts the Polite Society Podcast. Rob was an NRA pistol instructor and combat handgun competitor.Rob Morse

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Darkman

Why would anyone willingly go to New York, unless it was a matter of life or death. Oh wait going to New York is a matter of life or death. Never mind…

swmft

driving through to get to north east too

swmft

not just the city,even white planes ,or I90 corridor, there is no way to free states without crossing through Nazi territory , and the right to travel through with your gun locked you know federal law is ignored, they have jailed people legally transporting and feds dont help
they are going to be screaming and kicking over this scotus ruling and likely will ignore it

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Handy N Handsome

We are all at risk when politicians make laws they don’t understand.

chocopot

I would add that we are all at risk when politicians make laws from which they exempt themselves and other “special” groups of people. The exemptions prove they know the laws are wrong.

swmft

Gideon John Tucker (February 10, 1826 – July 1899) was an American lawyer, newspaper editor and politician. In 1866, as Surrogate of New York County, he wrote in a decision on a legal malpractice claim against a deceased lawyer’s estate: “No man’s life, liberty or property are safe while the Legislature is in session.”

GaryRamey

Abercrombie and Fitch had a sporting goods store in Manhattan in the 1970’s.
Great gun store!
We are still the proud owners of a gold-plated “Abercrombie and Fitch revolver” made by Colt.

Wass

Not to get carried away with nostalgia, I recall, before 1964, New Yorkers were able to buy rifles and shotguns at A&F, as well as Model’s, including their flag store across from City Hall, and walk out the door with the gun over the shoulder,

swmft

the hardware stores all had guns and ammo, sears Montgomery Ward the best was F W Woolworth surplus even full auto , I went in every dry goods store I found crossing country there were some great old guns still on the shelf in their box some great deals wish i kept them all passed on a Thompson for $125 new in box still kick myself but that was a lot of money at the time

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Glock45

I grew up in NYC and, when in elementary school in the late fifties, 12 year-old students would open carry their parents hunting rifles down the street in The Bronx for the annual Thanksgiving pageant in the school auditorium where the “Pilgrims” and “Indians” would meet for the feast. Later, in the sixties, most public high schools still had rifle teams and it was not uncommon to see students on their way to school carrying rifles in scabbards on the subway. Gone are those days when the city was safe and honest citizens were well armed.

Wass

But handguns were and still are a no-no. Thanks to NYC’s vaunted Sullivan Law (1911).

swmft

but there always were plenty of armed dealers, Saturday night specials in pocket or in top of garbage can for plausible deniability,drugs too

Last edited 2 years ago by swmft
Rowboat

BTW- shouldn’t the Statue Of Liberty be relocated to, say, Florida or Texas for safe keeping?

swmft

send it back to france they can have the illegals too

Rowboat

Most of New England and the entire West Coast are now foreign countries to freedom loving Americans. Got your Vax passport to go there yet ? Don’t even THINK about defending yourself and bring LOTS of money, even if you can afford the to drive a gasoline powered vehicle.
I see no good reason to go to or visit these American Shithole Countries.

gregs

don’t bring lots of money, leo’s will seize it through civil asset forfiture.

Wild Bill

There is a terrific book about civil asset forfeiture. It is “The Tyranny of Good Intentions” by Roberts and Stratton. It is a very intriguing read.

swmft

thank you think I will, I was fighting this happening in dea ,dead end trail likely means that money was clean. they went after family members of drug dealers that had no connection because they were successful

swmft

and buy themselves a new car with your money

gregs

with leftists it is never about freedom, it is about controlling the populace. they think this will allow them to render the Second Amendment moot. only when the citizens realize they are being/have been scammed by these totalitarians will they gain some semblance of freedom.

3manfan

I am not bound by any current nor future law of New York.

Because I’ve never gone there & never will.

john

NY State Move away there democratic in nature full of hate racism and illegals, The governor has been replaced by a bigger b -tch then Cumo she will use her appointed self to further destroy that state. Why do you people keep votting these ass wipes into office. The crime rate has never been higher thanks to the leaders you elected running the state, Remember every one of those elected have a personal detail or are protected by someone with a gun. There are so many criminals out and about that those of you moving form that state please remember… Read more »

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DIYinSTL

Anyone who listened to the Supreme Court arguments in NYRSPA v Bruen could see that this the way it would go. The extensive questions on prohibited spaces voiced by the liberal justices was a message to far left legislatures that creating more restricted spaces was the best workaround to a forced shall-issue decision.

TStheDeplorable

The left is trying to leverage the “time, place, and manner” limitations that the Supreme Court has permitted for limitations on the 1st Amendment to totally eviscerate the 2nd Amendment. Limits on places you can carry are different than limits on places you can demonstrate, because while you can just keep your mouth closed while you walk through a place where you’re not allowed to talk, you can’t make your pistol disappear while you walk across the place where guns are prohibited and then have it appear once you’re on the other side. These sorts of laws are traps that… Read more »

JSNMGC

“I couldn’t tell if the usual suspects are above the law. Does this law apply to off-duty law enforcement officers, judges, security guards, and politicians? Does it apply to retired cops, retired judges and retired politicians?” It’s highly likely that enforcers are lobbying for an amendment to make it clear that enforcers and ex-enforcers are exempt. This is standard procedure. “Sheriffs in up-state New York will hate it.” I doubt it. Have you seen any sheriffs organize and release a statement opposing the legislation (like their organizations frequently release statements lobbying for gun control legislation)? In modern America, three distinct… Read more »