NRA: Allen West’s Run For Wayne’s’ Job Will Not Prevail In Houston

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Maryland – -(Ammoland.com)- It was announced last week that a few past and resident National Rifle Association Board members intend to ask the Board to replace long time NRA Executive Vice President Wayne LaPierre with former Congressman Allen West

Allen West … really?

The fact that those who would take Wayne down have settled on Allen West as their preferred replacement tells a person more than anything else. It tells you that while professing an interest in the future success of the NRA, their real interest is simply to get rid of Wayne regardless of the consequences.

They repeat unproven and spurious allegations about Wayne and then argue that regardless of all he’s done for the association we’d be better off if we just send him packing.

By backing West, they are telling us that it really doesn’t matter who replaces Wayne. While questioning Wayne’s abilities, they would put their faith in a man who has failed at virtually everything he’s done and is now simply available and looking for a job.



Putting Allen West into a position, which requires managerial competence, would amount to malpractice. Perhaps in choosing Allen West, their intent is simply to destroy NRA and all that Wayne has worked over these many years.

It has been said that in politics and business there are “show horses” and “work horses.” Allen West is a “show horse.” He makes a great first impression, but he’s not there when the work needs to be done. Wayne is and always has been a “work horse.”

It is due to Wayne’s vision and hard work over decades that gun owners have come to rely on the NRA in the continuing struggle to preserve our constitutional rights. No one is perfect. Wayne has sometimes trusted people who didn’t deserve that trust. I doubt if he or any of us can claim we’ve always been right about everything. But no one could have done a better job for us over years of service, or for America’s gun owners and the Second Amendment, than Wayne.

Wayne more than anyone else is responsible for what we have accomplished and while he can give a fairly good speech when he has to, it’s the long hours of dedicated service to our cause that has made him virtually indispensable.

On the other hand, after leaving the military, West, an accomplished orator, has proven that he can give a good speech … but little else.

We chose him to keynote CPAC while I was running it in 2010 precisely because he was a good orator. He wowed the crowd and that appearance helped him launch his political career.

Conservatives rallied around West in his effort to win a second term in Congress. They poured millions into a race he could have won and watched him not only lose but abandon Florida in search of new adventures elsewhere.

In July of 2016, West was offered and accepted the appointment as Executive Director of The National Center for Policy Analysis (NCPA), a Texas-based conservative non-profit founded in 1983, which the late Senator Phil Gramm once observed: “does more with fewer resources than any other think tank in America.”

West had impressed the Board with a speech and on that basis, they turned the affairs of the NCPA over to him. They expected that as a chief executive officer he would run the organization efficiently and that as something of a celebrity he would be able to raise the funds needed to meet its annual budget. A year later, the NCPA was history.

Those familiar with what happened claim that West rarely if ever showed up for work and raised little if anything to keep the organization healthy. Instead, he hired a fund raiser who stole some $600,000.00 dollars from the non-profit in a matter of months which, combined with West’s managerial and fund-raising failures, forced the NCPA to close its doors forever.

Next, West set his sights on the Chairmanship of the Texas Republican Party and was elected …once again based on a couple of good speeches.

Those who served with West describe a less than successful Chairmanship during which he began sniping at Texas Governor Greg Abbot in preparation for a primary challenge that West hoped would end up with him in the Governor’s office. It didn’t happen.

Although conservatives around the country were bombarded for months with email fundraising appeals from West, claiming that his polls showed him close or even ahead of Abbot, the election was never close. When the polls closed the Governor garnered roughly 66% of the vote compared to West’s paltry 12%.

Greg Abbot won that primary because Texas conservatives knew him to be a staunch conservative and gun owners applauded his oft demonstrated support of the Second Amendment. They couldn’t quite figure out why West was challenging one of our own except, of course, that he wanted the job.

So now West finds himself searching for another gig. For Wayne’s opponents, he is the available man; available to be used by those who have convinced themselves that they and they alone know what the NRA needs. Several of those behind this effort have never liked Wayne and were involved in previous attempts to take him down. They didn’t succeed then and won’t now.

Wayne LaPierre. (Dave Workman)

I’m not going to go on and on about all Wayne has done for the modern NRA but would remind everyone that when he received word that the newly elected New York Attorney General was going to initiate an unprecedented campaign to destroy this Association, he took the necessary steps to protect the NRA and the Second Amendment.

Motives are important. New York Attorney General Letitia James and her progressive cohorts know that to gut the Second Amendment, they will have to first neutralize or destroy the NRA and to do that they will have to get Wayne LaPierre.

That’s what’s behind their effort. Allen West is all about Allen West. That’s what’s behind his role in all this … and those behind him have been after Wayne for so long that “getting” him has become more important to them than the truth, the NRA, or even the Second Amendment. They are clearly willing to sacrifice the NRA and the Second Amendment to get Wayne.

And Wayne? His motive is to continue the fight to protect our rights and further strengthen the Association to which he has devoted his life.

David A Keene
NRA President from 2011-13

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Nanashi

West doing literally nothing would be an improvement over LaPierre. LaPierre openly admitted to lying to the membership to get the Hughes Amendment passed. He literally did the exact opposite of his job.

JimQ

Wayne LaPierre has got to go. He is not only toxic to anti gunners but he is absolutely toxic to the NRA and its membership

Allen West would do a far better job than Wayne LaPierre.

David Keene’s nonsense not only damages the Second Amendment rights movement but also damages the NSSF.

Russn8r

NSSF was never a true friend to 2A, or gun grabber Bill Ruger’s gun grabbing gen counsel Sanetti wouldn’t have run it.

How many times have I seen swamp quisling Keene write “our federal partners on these pages, referring to the ATFBI?

BadBilly21

BOOM my exact thoughts while reading this article. I’m now questioning my past support for NSSF. I’d like an official statement from them regarding Mr Keene.

DIYinSTL

The NSSF represents manufacturers who, by law, must work with both Federal and State governments and cannot afford an adversarial relationship. But when it comes to the NRA, Keene and LaPierre have always been close in spirit and in practice.

Roland T. Gunner

It’s way past time all gun owners, gun mamufacturers and other FFL holders made their relationships with BATFE rabidly adversarial. Too many, especially those in the industry, sit on the fence and are collaborators.

swmft

put lawyers up their asses at work and home no passes on zoning violations ticket for problems with cars make them live the letter of the law

TexDad

You’ve presented a number of facts here about Allen West, and faced none of the facts about Wayne. Zero comments on what’s come out in trial, just more “what we’ve accomplished” baloney.

“They and they alone”? Are you hearing yourself? Wayne is the shining example of this. Why do we absolutely have to have this one guy?

It’s because you, David Keane, are his crony.

Hear the members.

Wild Bill

Brother, that is the best thing that you have everrrr written, here! Wish that I had written it.

Captn John

Life member since 1969! It’s past time for Wayne to go along with those also noted as detrimental to the organization by the political hack AG. Hopefully without a pension. West may not be the one for a 20 year stint but long enough to stop thievery and fire those that need to be gone. The organization needs to see litigation finished and then moved to a lower cost of living 2A friendly state where all costs including wages are reduced. Wayne and those that support him need gone so the organization can move forward, now Wayne is nothing but… Read more »

DDS

The article rating system needs to be amended such that we can give zero stars when appropriate, such as in this case.

Russn8r

Negative stars would be apropós for this corrupt shill’s smear job on Col West.

Arny

Actually they are useful for the comments.

Winchester1873

David A Keene has no credibility.

Nurph

His “credibility” is dripping down his chin.

J

It is time for Wayne,and the self-serving board members to go.
Just like crooked politicians, they think as long as they are in power, they cannot be prosecuted for their crimes.

45crittergitter

Ammoland, why are you wasting electrons on Keene? He probably needs to go to prison alongside WLP. Benefactor member here.

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PAF145

I am a long time life member– no more donations until La Pierre is gone

Arizona Don

I too am a long time life member and I will not donate until Pierre is gone!

Wild Bill

Yep, me too. Wayne has over compensated himself, and his cronies.

TOG

Life member and instructor. Wayne has to go – along with his cronies. I will not be supporting the NRA until he and his cronies are gone. The Board is complicit if it does not get rid of everyone who contributed to mismanagement at the NRA.

JR

Mr. Keene, you could go “on and on” about Mr. LaPierre’s contributions to our modern NRA. So where can I find a list of these merits? From what I’ve read, our NRA is hobbled and can’t fight at full power, and has made major cuts to the “traditional NRA” programs, because of the legal fees to keep Wayne out of jail because of his consistent misplacing of his trust during his tenure. Where were you and the other board members to check him and steer him back on track before the NYAG had cause to investigate? Virtually indispensable?! Seems a… Read more »

JPM

What a load of crap from a disingenuous toady. Obviously Keene’s nose is so far up LaPierre’s butt he hasn’t seen daylight in decades (at least from the time Wayne made him president and began sharing his profits with him). I love the photo Keene used of Wayne. The next thing were’ going to hear from Wayne’s butt-boy no doubt will be his appeal to the Pope for Wayne’s nomination for Sainthood.

Stag

“But no one could have done a better job for us over years of service, or for America’s gun owners and the Second Amendment, than Wayne.”

Wow. It takes some serious mental gymnastics to believe that.

swmft

just too much LSD

Black Powder 26

Well, I guess everyone is entitled to their opinion and I wouldn’t expect any less of a response from a WLP lackey! That being said as a Life Member, certified instructor and coach I believe Wayne has to go! The NRA has been tainted by the stench of his mismanagement. The NRA is now the poster child for anti-2A propaganda. A total house cleaning is in order with new leadership who would usher in an era of full transparency. Until that happens the NRA is nothing more than an impotent body of fools mocked by many whose members have lost… Read more »

Carl up North

Long story short I do not care who is there as long as Wayne and his Hench people are gone. As an Endowment Life Member, I refuse to send money to anything NRA and Wayne. My donations are going to other organizations till Wayne is gone.

Lesko Brandon

I would like to see an overhaul of the entire organization. The membership voting is a joke. “Select up to 25 from our list of 30”!?!? For perspective Microsoft has 12 board members, Apple 8, GM 13, BofA 14. Can you really run anything with 76 board members?

swmft

board is packed just like democrats want to do to courts

JSNMGC

No, the NRA board size (and membership) is a joke. The board should be less than a dozen. I haven’t seen any board candidate include that statement in his campaign materials. One board candidate supports up to 25 board members because some may not be able to make it to all meetings. That same person is the CEO of a company and is already actively serving on the boards of 16 different companies. It’s time to get some pros in the NRA management and on the board. Board members should have prior, relevant experience at large organizations and have plenty… Read more »

AP

I haven’t disavowed my NRA membership yet, but the longer LaPierre is in office the closer I get. I agree with others that West might not be the best choice, but he’d be orders of magnitude better that WLP. If LaPierre had any honor, he’d have stepped down as soon as his sleazy corruption was exposed.

Lesko Brandon

Exactly how I feel. I am a Life (Endowment) member, so I do not have to pay dues, but in the past I have given to the NRA. I now give that money to the FPC and GOA. I will not give to NRA as long as LaPierre is using the funds as a personal slush fund.

Freddy

After reading the above and having followed this sad saga for years, appears that Biden’s Disinformation Police have started.
If Wayne stays, then the NRA will be DOA!
It may still be but at least give the NRA a chance to survive!!

barnjoer

Life Member also here, these that have gotten rich off of member dues need to Go!! They were wealthy to start with before getting on the board of the NRA and getting richer! They should get their ass to work and quit talking, earn your pay or better yet work for free for the paying members. And offering all this Chinese made BS asan incentive and reward for becoming a member to crack a horse !!

George

Keene just proved he’s part of the problem . West might not be the best but a random pick from a phone book would be preferable to Wayne.

Mike Hinds

I am a Life Endowment member and my dad was a Life Benefactor. I will not give any more to NRA as long as Wayne LaPierre holds any position. SAF or GOA will receive any funds that I choose to commit to Second Amendment support until Wayne is gone.

nrringlee

So the party line smear campaign continues to keep wayne in power. I am just thankful I got my life membership many moons ago so now you do not get even an annual renewal from me.

This sounds like an editorial board endorsement of Joe Stalin by Pravda.

As for me and my house, our check book is closed to you.

Terry

“And Wayne? His motive is to continue the fight to protect our rights and further strengthen the Association to which he has devoted his life. David A Keene NRA President from 2011-13″ First of all, I don’t care if Wayne is innocent as a newborn lamb (which we all know he’s not)! His credibility has been shot up worse than the targets at the machine gun shoot. If he had any feelings for the NRA membership or any integrity at all he would have long since resigned – guilty or not! Also, I would be loath to consider an article… Read more »

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Bobtail

Until King Wayne is gone, the NRA gets NONE of my money and if you support King Wayne, FO.

MICHAELANGELO

RETARD!! How much do you want to leave the NRA and never come back? Go work for the Biden administration!!!

JimQ

Bobtail, You’re absolutely right!!

Out with LaPierre and his bloated over compensation.

JQ

MICHAELANGELO

Congress has a hell of a compensation!! Are we trying to stop that as well??

MICHAELANGELO

Keep your money and Shove it!! And as far as your FO comment, you can SHOVE that too!

MICHAELANGELO

Is that the best you can do?? I must be a WORTHY ADVERSARY!! I will not click on the link. Do your own talking or go take your viagra because it must have been a while since you had any!!! OUCH!!! That one HURT!!!!

Russn8r

It’s all you’re worth, troll.

MICHAELANGELO

Why are you so upset? I am just fine. You started the name calling RETARD!!

Russn8r

!!!!!!

MICHAELANGELO

RETARDO!!

Russn8r

!!!

Parnell

Wow
! What an intelligent, snappy answer! Tell me, how long did it take you to come up with, troll?

MICHAELANGELO

Sounds like a Bedenite!!!

Parnell

What the hell is a Bedenite? Are you trying to spell Biden?

UncleT

Wow! While West has setbacks in his past, the defense on Wayne is unconscionable. Wayne has surrendered our #2A rights for 30+ years. Wayne LaPierre admitted the NRA wrote the foundation bill of the NICS System during the 2018 C-PAC and boasted about it and is wanting to add to it. They also supported the 1990 Gun Free Zone Act. Wayne’s NRA supports Red Flag Gun Confiscation Orders, bump stocks ban, silent on the AA-12 shotgun ban, expanding the Unconstitutional NICS they help write and pass and expanding it that still is keeping over 250,000 retired service members from purchasing… Read more »

Jason

This article was written by a true RINO.

AGH IV

Just another example of how out of touch the NRA leadership is and has been for a number of years. LaPierre has got to go anyway possible and while Keen can’t seem to grasp it the integrity Col West would bring to the organization is exactly what the NRA needs. Are their better candidates, likely, but it would be a huge step in the right direction…the right step being something NRA leadership lost sight of years ago.

TexDad

I just have to take issue with the title here. It’s not Executive Vice President of the NRA, it’s “Wayne’s Job”.

It’s not a position of responsibility to preserve and develop an organization vital to the preservation of the Second Amendment, it’s “Wayne’s Job”.

It’s not a position of responsibility to further public education on matters of arms, it’s “Wayne’s Job”.

It’s not a position of servitude to the members, it’s “Wayne’s Job”.

Screw that noise.

RedState

LaPierre is a bad dude that should be replaced. The current rules may make that very hard to do. I think the New York DA will try to force him out and charge him with crimes, which he deserves. Hopefully the NRA will survive the attack.

Laddyboy

Question, How many INFRINGEMENT “laws” has the NRA “director or board” had a hand in which HARMED the RIGHTS of NRA American Citizens? I believe there are OVER 12 line items of NRA supported INFRINGEMENTS!!

Russn8r

For starters

BadBilly21

Wayne is a DEADLY cancer on the NRA &it’s uncertain future. The only path forward is WITHOUT him. Additional, I’d like to get a formal response from NSSF that address Mr Keene’s recent comments on LaPierre.

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Bill

If the NRA wants to find a suitable replacement for Wayne LaPierre other than those currently being considered, then fine. But Wayne’s job needs term limits. To own the position for life and to become a self-perpetuating dictator is not in the spirit of the NRA, any more than fixed elections are in the spirit of America. These things come only as an outgrowth of deep corruption.

MICHAELANGELO

All of this talk against WLP may prove counter productive. If WLP goes, he may take a truckload of members with him. Be careful what you ask for. You just might get it.

Parnell

What? Where are they goung to go? To Wayne’s mansion to wait on him? If they go, fine.

MoStro

Just about every “fact” in this piece is incorrect, and seems to be motivated by personal animus. Freddie used a number of LTC West’s columns on this site for quite some time. As to NCPA, the org was already in crisis and called on West too late. FIVE former employees have stated on various social media that West went w/o pay so that staff could be paid. As to “has no job” he is currently the Executive Director of the American Constitutional Rights Union and has been there since early March. As to Col. West “just looking out for himself,”… Read more »

MICHAELANGELO

How about that? Seems like others on this blog need to open their books BEFORE they open their MOUTHS!!!

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Russn8r

W . T . F are you talking about? Yourself apparently.

He wrote:

Just about every “fact” in this piece is incorrect…”

Nearly all the commenters agree.

MICHAELANGELO

I have yet to comment on Allen west. You Retards are the one spewing hate!!

Russn8r

1) Irrelevant deflection. 2) False.

MICHAELANGELO

Really? So who is WLP’s replacement?

totbs

This article makes me wonder, how many NRA funded suits are in Keene’s closet?

totbs

I am an NRA life member. Every time I take a solicitation call from NRA, and believe me there are many, I explain to the caller that I will not make a donation until WLP and his cadre of butt kissers are gone from the NRA. Every single time I’m about half way through my explanation-never more than two sentences-I hear an audible “click”. Guess who’s not interested in my or any other member’s opinion? That right there tells me all I need to know about the current NRA. As a life member for years, I don’t pay any yearly… Read more »

hippybiker

I gave up on the NRA years ago after Harlan Carter was gone and especially after what they did to Neal Knox!
GOA and any other groups are preferable!

Last edited 1 year ago by hippybiker
Roland T. Gunner

Two thumbs up!

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Hazcat

WLP absolutely needs to go and obviously sycophants like you as well.

I do agree that West is more grift than action and would not want him as a replacement but even he would be a major improvement.

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john

Respectfully West is not then man for the job you can not sway my beliefs in this matter. The NRA needs a head hunter that is loyal only to the members with no ties the washington elite. The NRA should be placed under construction and the board removed with life time members taking over the titles of those removed as officers of the NRA.

Russn8r

You actually believe this guy’s corrupt self-serving hogwash?

john

No Sir I believe his opposition is self serving and hogwash Allen West will become a victim of his own past. It would not be practical for the leader of the NRA in today’s environment to have a military past even understanding how the NRA was founded. We have learned that nothing is beyond the democrats capability when it comes discrediting their enemies. Look at what they have just done to the supreme court judges condoning a action of protest that is against the law. To in fact protest at a federal judge’s home peaceful or not. Is this not… Read more »

Roland T. Gunner

Sorry, but strongly disagree.

john

Promote form within the ranks of the NRA from the membership that pays the dues. This will get the best results forward.

Russn8r

You don’t think Col West is a dues-paying member?

Russn8r

Pretty much same here. Member in the 70s, life 80s, endowment 90s. No donations for 25 years. I get the hard copy magazines to ring the cash register, $3 a pop, mail in the postage paid cards, and vote for write ins (Hugh Jorgen, etc)

Bigfootbob

Fill the return envelopes with junk exceeding the weight for business return mail and the NRA gets dunned from the USPS for that envelop. Extra little something with your boycott that actually costs them.

Russn8r

2 postcards in each magazine. S’pose I could tape ’em to a brick.

Parnell

Wayne the his clique have to go. While I have no use for the NY DA her current case has some merit. Save the NRA, get rid of the thieves.

Russn8r

Yep. Judge blocked her dissolution move, so her only path to “victory” is to take corrupt individual scalps. Best thing for gun grabbers would’ve been to let Wayne’s vampires keep looting $1 Billion every few years that should’ve gone to restoring 2A & saving the USA. Must kill her that she actually may help restore the NRA, but she puts herself first like all politicians.

Russn8r

Don’t be fooled by crocodile tears & smears. Keene’s team helped destroy NRA.

“C”PAC is NOT conservative. See the RINOs who’ve run it e.g. Karly Fiorina.

Is West perfect? No.

Do I take what Keene says with YUGE grains of salt? Yes.

Do I note lack of cites & proof? Yes.

Can West do a good job? Yes, just by not looting, firing Brewer & other vampires, being a very well-spoken black conservative as opposed to bumbling sissy Wayne & his corrupt baggage. He can hardly do worse.

Will he do better? Worth a try.

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nitehntr

my wife and i are both endowment life members and had regularly made additional donations on a regular basis, but until Wayne LaPierre is gone i will not donate another dime and i have talked to quite a few other people who feel the same way. i have no idea what Oliver North found or didn’t find but whatever he found got this all started. LaPierre succumbed to the same thing a lot of long term powerful people do and became self important and it will cost the members the longer he is in charge. my two cents for what… Read more »

Cam

Yep, I’m not an endowment but I am a life member. First thing I ask when they call and ask for more cash is “if Wayne still there?” He is? Nope, not a cent till he is completely extricated from the NRA.

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MICHAELANGELO

That is your choice. We are free to make our own choices. I will not get upset with you making the decision not to give to the NRA. But don’t get upset with other members who decide to give.

Russn8r

Go for it! Put your money where Wayne’s caulk is! A fool & his money are soon parted.

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MICHAELANGELO

What Proven fighter is your choice to replace WLP?

Russn8r

You mean pillow-fighter? LaPew’s more like a pillow biter.

An ACTUAL fighter who hasn’t Proven his ability to betray us & wreck the NRA. Col West.

MICHAELANGELO

Can you tell me who has done more for our 2nd Amendment rights? Also, please tell me who you feel can do a better job? Everybody who hates WLP is just kicking at the wind!! Tell me who can do a better job!!

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Russn8r

ANYONE who hasn’t grifted $BILLIONS from members.

e.g. Col West, vastly better speaker than Lucky Pierre (the La is optional), NOT A SCUMBAG LOBBYIST TRAITOR who never owned a gun before he became EVP like Lucky Pierre, won’t give phony A grades, endorsements, yellow alert cards & cash to gun grabbers like Lucky Pierre.

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vepr

Keene is a fool.
An utter court jester.

Letitia jamse herself would run the nra better than the skunk, li’l Wayne LA pu.

Wolfpack98

I was going to comment but so many people just took the words from my mouth. Kind of ironic, Keene thought he was doing a service pointing out how bad West would be and in doing so, Keene outed himself as a useless LaPierre crony! Bet he’s not liking the replies too much. And I will never join NRA until Wayne is gone.

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MICHAELANGELO

Looks like the NRA is doing just fine without you. Keep it that way.

MICHAELANGELO

The NRA will survive without you

MICHAELANGELO

I think the NRA has celebrated several victories this year. Correct me if I am wrong. Isn’t the NRA in on a case or two that the Supreme Court will soon rule on?

Russn8r

Yes, the NRA has celebrated several victories by other groups and pretended it was responsible.

MICHAELANGELO

Name One?

MICHAELANGELO

Still waiting for you to Name One

Russn8r

For the 10th time, Lieutenant Colonel Alan West.

MICHAELANGELO

Name One of the victories by other groups that the NRA celebrated and PRETENDED that it was responsible for?

MICHAELANGELO

How long must I wait for you to Name One???

MICHAELANGELO

I don’t have all day for you to name One of the groups!!

MICHAELANGELO

Guess you got STAR-STRUCK GOO-GOO EYES!!

MICHAELANGELO

Are you going to Name the group or not???!!!

MICHAELANGELO

I will check back in a few hours to see if you have gotten your foot out of your mouth!!!

Russn8r

We’ll check back to see if you got Wayne’s caulk out of yours.

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MICHAELANGELO

No caulk. Just standing up against all of this rhetoric!! Has anyone done more for the 2nd Amendment?

Wild Bill

How long will Ammoland allow us to be subjected to this filthy talk?

TexDad

Are you advocating for censorship? No thanks.

Wild Bill

The First Amendment does not protect smut, slander, liable, fraud, or propaganda.

Russn8r

Except for yours.

MICHAELANGELO

Go to sleep Hitler. You have clearly shown that you are a “BIG DUMMY’

TexDad

Only cowards silence their opponents to protect their own delicate sensibilities.

Wild Bill

Just telling you some First Amendment law.
Only cowards fail to join the military. Only cowards escape reality using drugs recreationally. Only cowards … etc. See how useless that kind of insult is?

TexDad

Those are not good examples to compare with silencing the opposition.

It’s the internet, for crying out loud. Defend a bastard and someone is going to suggest you’re blowing him.

I would agree the bj accusations distract from any meaningful conversation, and even harm the accuser’s credibility, if any, when they make more serious comments. So I don’t engage in it, and it’s annoying when others do.

I draw the line before covering my ears and crying to mommy though.

Wild Bill

Those are excellent examples. False accusations of cowardice is as bad as any of h8r’s smut, and are not protected by the First Amendment.
So this is the internet, does that mean that we all give up on civil discourse?

JSNMGC

Were the comments made by you and Oldman, that I quoted, “smut?”

Do you want civil discourse, or do you just want to chastise certain people?

If you want civil discourse, you should stop lying and making-up things about people. You should also stop attempting to apply double standards.

TexDad

That’s ridiculous, and they are not. Your weak comparisons don’t even come close. I did not fail to join the military, I chose not to, and it wasn’t out of fear. What portion of adults join the military? What portion of adults use recreational drugs? Include alcohol.

Silencing the opposition, especially by whining for someone in authority to do it for you, is a cowardly move. You’re not going to dilute that with nonsense.

No, this is the internet, so grow up, be realistic, and don’t seek to censor everything that offends your sensibilities.

Wild Bill

I did not call you a coward, but I can see how that would be aggravating.

JSNMGC

Do you see yourself as the arbiter of what is protected? “I’m sure that you are an expert on sucking, bro.” ~ Wild Bill “They are all shagging each other in an apartment in San Francisco, having the time of their lives.” ~ Oldman “Yep! He will then have to go back to his lonely masturbation, and not his mutual masturbation sock pup club. His hand will get very tired, I’m sure.” ~ Oldman “Believe me, WB, none of the 3 Amigos + Will/Tex (if my epiphany is correct, and I believe it is) has enough juice in the old… Read more »

Wild Bill

So you think that nothing crosses the line?

JSNMGC

I think it would be great if conversations were more civil.

You have made-up wild, weird, and untrue things about me.

You have tried many times to create rules and then impose them on one group of people, but not another.

Russn8r had once attempted to strike a truce, but it fell apart.

The underlying tension on this board is due to a different matter.

Wild Bill

Oldman brokered the truce. H8r could not keep it up. He gave into the temptation of invective and insult.
Those are just the rules of educated debate.
No one makes up more wild, weird, untrue, and obscene things than your buddy.
How many people have come straight out and told you and h8r that no one wants to talk to them and to just go elsewhere?

JSNMGC

“No one?”

I’ve never written things like those I quoted above that Oldman wrote.

Did he violate the rules of educated debate?

You have “insulted” me and lied about me many times.

Did you violate the rules of educated debate?

You don’t like certain things discussed and those things are at the very heart of firearm rights.

Russn8r

BS. I offered a truce, you & Oldman immediately broke it.

Wild Bill

No, Oldman arranged it, and I was very supportive.

Russn8r

Prove it. Can’t stop lying, can you?

Wild Bill

I was there, and that is my testimony. It would go into evidence in any court in this country. And I think that Old man can testify to the truth of it, also.

Russn8r

As expected. LOL.

Wild Bill

Yes, civil and logical discourse would be better.

Wild Bill

No arbitrator is necessary, everyone can see h8r’s words.

JSNMGC

They see your words.

They see Oldman’s words.

Do you and Oldman violate the “rules of educated debate?”

Maybe a number of people could be more civil, but is that what you really want, or do you just want to chastise certain people?

A person who used to work for the Department of Defense a long time ago called the residents of an entire state “pussies” last night. You haven’t commented on his remarks.

Wild Bill

I had not heard, but you have not commented on the plight of the Inuit, yet.

JSNMGC

You continue to see what you want to see and pretend not see what you don’t want to see:

“Settling for “shall issue” just makes you guys a bunch of pussies. MEN, with BACKBONE stand for, fight for and DEMAND Constitutional Carry and settle for NO LESS! So, put on your big boy pants (Or panties if that is the case), form a coalition and STEP UP! Dethrone the tyrants that are denying YOU and your citizens their rights, and INSTALLL Constitutional Carry. The tyrants are only in power because you guys cower and ALLOW IT!” ~ USMC0351Grunt

https://www.ammoland.com/2022/05/disinformation-war-targets-constitutional-carry/#axzz7St5UI9Uc

Wild Bill

No, I just do not let you control the issues. As to this out of context paragraph, I never saw it before and I do not speak for anyone here.
What happened to you wanted more civil discourse?

JSNMGC

You frequently attempt to speak for other people here.

I provided a link so you can see the context of USMC0351Grunt’s comment.

Do you want civil discourse, or do you just want to chastise certain people?

I’m being civil and I don’t try to control the issues.

Were the comments I quoted, that were made by you, Oldman, and USMC0351Grunt, civil?

If you want people to follow the “rules of educated debate,” and engage in “civil discourse,” it would be helpful if you answered the question.

Russn8r

What filthy talk?

Knute Knute

“And Wayne? His motive is to continue the fight to protect our rights and further strengthen the Association to which he has devoted his life.” Exactly what one would expect a dedicated WLP underling to say. Not the truth, but the script written for him. Let’s see what happens if we delete the paid for praise and replace it with facts: “And Wayne? His motive is to continue the fight to protect all the money he has embezzled over the years, and to finally get that 6 million dollar mansion that he almost scammed the NRA out of, before all… Read more »

Roland T. Gunner

Sorry, LaPew is an ass-clown who has been bargaining away our gun rights for 40 years. After he shook hands over the Hughes Amendment, he can kiss my pink, plump hams.

Taylor231

GOA and FPC have replaced the NRA major change needs to be done if they want to survive, replacing Wayne is the step in the right direction.

Old Guy

Sorry Wayne is a problem for the NRA, too many allegations that I feel there is evidence for. He reminds me of Al Sharpton and the advantages he was taking of his organization.
Get Rid of Wayne and I will donate again, be active again. Right now I give the SAF and others but nothing to the NRA and I am an endowment member and have been a member since 1965.

FE410

Mr. Keene’s observations of Allen West are spot on. I could see years ago that West is all wind and no rain. Unfortunately, Mr. Keene then turns delusional in his praise of the grifter LaPierre. Wayne’s lack of concern for NRA, both the membership as well as the organization itself, is blindingly apparent in the fact that he refuses to step down and remove the primary target (himself) from the NYAG’s sights. Is it merely ego? Or does LaPierre want to suck every dime he can out of the NRA before the ship sinks for good? Either way, it shows… Read more »

JSNMGC

West is another celebrity in a long line of people (in NRA management and the board) who were chosen for their celebrity status.  There are executives who could have been considered who understand corporate activities. Those people have hired CFOs, COOs, and SVPs of other functional areas. They have worked with those people to clean-up someone else’s mess. They have worked with those people to develop strategies and execute to those strategies. They understand the importance of good corporate governance, process, transparency, and they have been subjected to the scrutiny of many stakeholders. They have lived that life. The inside of the NRA has been… Read more »

JSNMGC

Reply on hold.

We need someone to lead the NRA who knows what good looks like with respect to a corporate environment.

Stag

My vote would be Pete Brownell. He knows how to run a business and he’s no butter/fudd.

JSNMGC

I don’t know. His stated reason for leaving the NRA board was he didn’t have the time. Do you have any insights as to whether he was actively trying to make change with respect to: Better business practices within the NRA; and More effective firearm rights advocacy? If he was doing those things, was there just not enough other board members for him to team-up with to make change? Those are all serious questions – I’d like to know your views. He knows how to run a privately held company. I think the NRA has more in common with a… Read more »

Russn8r

Big NRA undisclosed/later disclosed buys off Brownells while he was a dir & pres. Fair terms or not, it’s a conflict of interest. With all the corruption we should demand a board as beyond reproach as Caesar’s wife, and this ain’t that. But at least you got that corporate insight!

I suspect it’s why he quit. S approaches Fan, get out while can. I’d be more favorable if he’d stayed & helped clean it up, at least exposed corruption on the way out. Fiduciary duty. Has he done anything on that since resigning? If not, no bueno.

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Stag

I don’t know Pete personally. I just know through a mutual acquaintance what happened when he served as President 2017-2018. Pete went in wanting to turn the NRA around. He was sick of all the treachery and compromising and he wanted to reign in the power Wayne holds over the board and the organization as a whole. After learning first hand how little power the president has to actually change anything and being fought tooth and nail by Wayne’s cronies on the board he knew it was a battle he would never be able to win in that position without… Read more »

JSNMGC

Thank you.

Stag

You’re welcome.

Russn8r

~”NRA Fndn bought ~$3.1m in 2017 from Crow Shooting Supply, controlled by dir & past pres Brownell. Buying began before he took over in 2011, but was 1st disclosed in tax filings in 2017, the WSJ reported.

NRA said it disclosed “to provide greater vis.”

Brownell said he was resigning to focus on his business. His spokesman said the contract was vetted by the audit committee. (So you KNOW it’s kosher!)

“Crow’s 1 of the only wholesalers who can meet the program volume & shipping needs. Pete takes his ethical obligations seriously, abstained from voting on issues directly affecting his business.”

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JSNMGC

If Brownell’s controlled Crow at the time Pete Brownell joined the NRA BOD, and the NRA was buying product from Crow at that time, Pete should have disclosed the sales as part of a normal independence review at that time.  The existing board (or a subset) should have reviewed the issue at that time and concluded on: Whether it presented a conflict of interest that prohibited him from him being a board member; Whether they mutually agreed to cease the sales/purchases; or Whether the issue merely required disclosure (to all board members and NRA members).  If their conclusion was that… Read more »

LifeLibertyPursuitofhappiness

The choice to ignore easily investigated facts and publish this will be why I unsubscribe from your newsletter. Whoever approved this should lose their job, because you’ve thrown the trustworthiness / believability of your entire publication in the trash with it.

OldJarhead03

Normally, when an entity goes into bankruptcy, people at the top get the boot. In the case of the NRA, the “fighters for freedom” have supported every gun law passed by the Feds since 1934. Good job on both counts, just not good for the average gun owner.

Orion

your knowledge is lacking…. if you ever had any.

Dogma Factor

I’m sorry David but it looks like someones peeing in your corn flakes per your defense of WLP. It’s plain and simple WLP needs to go in order to save the NRA from itself. The bankruptcy attempt was a total disaster, all the evidence coming forward in discovery has been disastrous for WLP and the NRA. The the legal fees on WLP’s account is draining the NRA dry at the same time no one is giving anymore because of WLP. You know if you have a cancer growing you get rid of it, not feed it.

MICHAELANGELO

The Biden administration, along with the left, want to dismantle the NRA. WLP has made some mistakes. However, why can’t we come together and focus on fighting the anti-gunners rather than fighting ourselves? Have you all considered how many members the NRA may lose if WLP Steps Down?? We need to keep our negative comments off of a public blog. Are you upset with his handling of finances or is it that you just want to see him gone? I think he has a hell of a winning record that none of you Bedenites want to discuss or give him… Read more »

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Russn8r

Lucky (La)Pierre & his corrupt rubber-stamp board destroyed NRA. Gun grabbers could never have done it without their help – and the help of mindless tools like you.

MICHAELANGELO

I don’t know where you get this treason crap from. And be careful who you label as a traitor. WLP has a hell of a winning record. That doesn’t sound like a traitor to me. It sounds like a Fighter who is proven Victorious!!