NRA: Allen West’s Run For Wayne’s’ Job Will Not Prevail In Houston

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Maryland – -(Ammoland.com)- It was announced last week that a few past and resident National Rifle Association Board members intend to ask the Board to replace long time NRA Executive Vice President Wayne LaPierre with former Congressman Allen West

Allen West … really?

The fact that those who would take Wayne down have settled on Allen West as their preferred replacement tells a person more than anything else. It tells you that while professing an interest in the future success of the NRA, their real interest is simply to get rid of Wayne regardless of the consequences.

They repeat unproven and spurious allegations about Wayne and then argue that regardless of all he’s done for the association we’d be better off if we just send him packing.

By backing West, they are telling us that it really doesn’t matter who replaces Wayne. While questioning Wayne’s abilities, they would put their faith in a man who has failed at virtually everything he’s done and is now simply available and looking for a job.



Putting Allen West into a position, which requires managerial competence, would amount to malpractice. Perhaps in choosing Allen West, their intent is simply to destroy NRA and all that Wayne has worked over these many years.

It has been said that in politics and business there are “show horses” and “work horses.” Allen West is a “show horse.” He makes a great first impression, but he’s not there when the work needs to be done. Wayne is and always has been a “work horse.”

It is due to Wayne’s vision and hard work over decades that gun owners have come to rely on the NRA in the continuing struggle to preserve our constitutional rights. No one is perfect. Wayne has sometimes trusted people who didn’t deserve that trust. I doubt if he or any of us can claim we’ve always been right about everything. But no one could have done a better job for us over years of service, or for America’s gun owners and the Second Amendment, than Wayne.

Wayne more than anyone else is responsible for what we have accomplished and while he can give a fairly good speech when he has to, it’s the long hours of dedicated service to our cause that has made him virtually indispensable.

On the other hand, after leaving the military, West, an accomplished orator, has proven that he can give a good speech … but little else.

We chose him to keynote CPAC while I was running it in 2010 precisely because he was a good orator. He wowed the crowd and that appearance helped him launch his political career.

Conservatives rallied around West in his effort to win a second term in Congress. They poured millions into a race he could have won and watched him not only lose but abandon Florida in search of new adventures elsewhere.

In July of 2016, West was offered and accepted the appointment as Executive Director of The National Center for Policy Analysis (NCPA), a Texas-based conservative non-profit founded in 1983, which the late Senator Phil Gramm once observed: “does more with fewer resources than any other think tank in America.”

West had impressed the Board with a speech and on that basis, they turned the affairs of the NCPA over to him. They expected that as a chief executive officer he would run the organization efficiently and that as something of a celebrity he would be able to raise the funds needed to meet its annual budget. A year later, the NCPA was history.

Those familiar with what happened claim that West rarely if ever showed up for work and raised little if anything to keep the organization healthy. Instead, he hired a fund raiser who stole some $600,000.00 dollars from the non-profit in a matter of months which, combined with West’s managerial and fund-raising failures, forced the NCPA to close its doors forever.

Next, West set his sights on the Chairmanship of the Texas Republican Party and was elected …once again based on a couple of good speeches.

Those who served with West describe a less than successful Chairmanship during which he began sniping at Texas Governor Greg Abbot in preparation for a primary challenge that West hoped would end up with him in the Governor’s office. It didn’t happen.

Although conservatives around the country were bombarded for months with email fundraising appeals from West, claiming that his polls showed him close or even ahead of Abbot, the election was never close. When the polls closed the Governor garnered roughly 66% of the vote compared to West’s paltry 12%.

Greg Abbot won that primary because Texas conservatives knew him to be a staunch conservative and gun owners applauded his oft demonstrated support of the Second Amendment. They couldn’t quite figure out why West was challenging one of our own except, of course, that he wanted the job.

So now West finds himself searching for another gig. For Wayne’s opponents, he is the available man; available to be used by those who have convinced themselves that they and they alone know what the NRA needs. Several of those behind this effort have never liked Wayne and were involved in previous attempts to take him down. They didn’t succeed then and won’t now.

Wayne LaPierre. (Dave Workman)

I’m not going to go on and on about all Wayne has done for the modern NRA but would remind everyone that when he received word that the newly elected New York Attorney General was going to initiate an unprecedented campaign to destroy this Association, he took the necessary steps to protect the NRA and the Second Amendment.

Motives are important. New York Attorney General Letitia James and her progressive cohorts know that to gut the Second Amendment, they will have to first neutralize or destroy the NRA and to do that they will have to get Wayne LaPierre.

That’s what’s behind their effort. Allen West is all about Allen West. That’s what’s behind his role in all this … and those behind him have been after Wayne for so long that “getting” him has become more important to them than the truth, the NRA, or even the Second Amendment. They are clearly willing to sacrifice the NRA and the Second Amendment to get Wayne.

And Wayne? His motive is to continue the fight to protect our rights and further strengthen the Association to which he has devoted his life.

David A Keene
NRA President from 2011-13

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OSR

And because people like you, individuals so hard headed and blind that can’t see that the NRA under the current administration is doomed. Wayne and his cronies have destroyed the NRA and its members confidence and trust. For far to long Wayne and his followers have drained the NRA coffers while forgetting the NRA actual mission. Your lengthy article prove that cronyism is alive and well inside the NRA. If the leadership is not changed thr NYAG will have everything she needs to drive the last nail on te NRA`s coffin. Replace the board and it’s leadership or let the… Read more »

Phillip Journey

If the NRA Board doesn’t choose WLP’s successor Monday the 31st, Jd Cohen will before the end of the year.

Orion

Well, after yesterday’s tragedy in Texas it’s clear we need a proven leader at the helm…. even if we have to hold our noses one more time. WLP for the win.

Stag

“Proven leader” hahahahahahahaha!

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WineLaPeeintheair
Russn8r

I’m skeptical about answer #4.

StLPro2A

Keene….all “good” things must come to and end. 2A supporters will just have to pull up our big boys and girls panties and struggle on sans LaPewPew. LaPewPew has become a distraction and negative to the organization’s agenda. Can’t afford him any longer. Why in the Hell would a competent manager allow a 2A organization to remain in NY??? Let him add “value” in another organization. And, nullify his golden retirement theft package.

Russn8r

Law prof Joseph Olson & other atty/directors warned LaPew in 1990 to make like Snake Plisskin & G.T.F.O. of NY. He blew it off for 30yrs: Too late.

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Parnell

So now we get a post from Wayne’s latest mouthpiece. It sounds like the boards’ in his pocket. I think it will take another “Cincinnati Revolt” to get rid of Wayne and it can’t come too soon.

RickN

It’s time for Wayne to leave–whether West is the right person or not. LaPierre has worn out his welcome long since, again regardless of the good work he may have done in the past. The NRA shouldn’t provide a sinecure for conservatives looking to retire on a salary.

It’s not clear the NRA will survive without him, but it’s crystal clear it won’t continue to survive with him.

Ope

Lapierre will never voluntarily leave the NRA. They will have to go hands on with the thief and physically remove him. He doesn’t give a damn about the NRA. He knows exactly how despised he is and his corrupt and complicit BOD knows it too. But the bastard is still there and refuses to resign. Lapierre only cares about Lapierre.

Taylor231

GOA and FPC have replaced the NRA major change needs to be done if they want to survive, replacing Wayne is the step in the right direction.

OldJarhead03

Normally, when an entity goes into bankruptcy, people at the top get the boot. In the case of the NRA, the “fighters for freedom” have supported every gun law passed by the Feds since 1934. Good job on both counts, just not good for the average gun owner.

Orion

your knowledge is lacking…. if you ever had any.

john

I read the comments here and I am disappointed by the disrespect that this article has inspired in some of you here. The negative impact on each other is exactly what those opposed to what we all believe in hope to accomplish. The NRA has problems we can all agree on that I think. How it evolves in the future surely will not be by the comments shared here that are unproductive, clearly not written by men looking for a solution or a simple change of ideas. There are some very intelligent folks here I hope that we all can… Read more »

MICHAELANGELO

Great comment!! Well said!!

Wild Bill

I concur. And that tip about the bird flu causing the price of chicken to go up was most valuable. I discussed it with my wife and we laid in a large supply.

Bill

If the NRA wants to find a suitable replacement for Wayne LaPierre other than those currently being considered, then fine. But Wayne’s job needs term limits. To own the position for life and to become a self-perpetuating dictator is not in the spirit of the NRA, any more than fixed elections are in the spirit of America. These things come only as an outgrowth of deep corruption.

MICHAELANGELO

All of this talk against WLP may prove counter productive. If WLP goes, he may take a truckload of members with him. Be careful what you ask for. You just might get it.

Parnell

What? Where are they goung to go? To Wayne’s mansion to wait on him? If they go, fine.

Dogma Factor

I’m sorry David but it looks like someones peeing in your corn flakes per your defense of WLP. It’s plain and simple WLP needs to go in order to save the NRA from itself. The bankruptcy attempt was a total disaster, all the evidence coming forward in discovery has been disastrous for WLP and the NRA. The the legal fees on WLP’s account is draining the NRA dry at the same time no one is giving anymore because of WLP. You know if you have a cancer growing you get rid of it, not feed it.

MICHAELANGELO

The Biden administration, along with the left, want to dismantle the NRA. WLP has made some mistakes. However, why can’t we come together and focus on fighting the anti-gunners rather than fighting ourselves? Have you all considered how many members the NRA may lose if WLP Steps Down?? We need to keep our negative comments off of a public blog. Are you upset with his handling of finances or is it that you just want to see him gone? I think he has a hell of a winning record that none of you Bedenites want to discuss or give him… Read more »

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Russn8r

Lucky (La)Pierre & his corrupt rubber-stamp board destroyed NRA. Gun grabbers could never have done it without their help – and the help of mindless tools like you.

MICHAELANGELO

I don’t know where you get this treason crap from. And be careful who you label as a traitor. WLP has a hell of a winning record. That doesn’t sound like a traitor to me. It sounds like a Fighter who is proven Victorious!!

Bobtail

Until King Wayne is gone, the NRA gets NONE of my money and if you support King Wayne, FO.

MICHAELANGELO

RETARD!! How much do you want to leave the NRA and never come back? Go work for the Biden administration!!!

JimQ

Bobtail, You’re absolutely right!!

Out with LaPierre and his bloated over compensation.

JQ

MICHAELANGELO

Congress has a hell of a compensation!! Are we trying to stop that as well??

MICHAELANGELO

Keep your money and Shove it!! And as far as your FO comment, you can SHOVE that too!

MICHAELANGELO

Is that the best you can do?? I must be a WORTHY ADVERSARY!! I will not click on the link. Do your own talking or go take your viagra because it must have been a while since you had any!!! OUCH!!! That one HURT!!!!

Russn8r

It’s all you’re worth, troll.

MICHAELANGELO

Why are you so upset? I am just fine. You started the name calling RETARD!!

Russn8r

!!!!!!

MICHAELANGELO

RETARDO!!

Russn8r

!!!

Parnell

Wow
! What an intelligent, snappy answer! Tell me, how long did it take you to come up with, troll?

MICHAELANGELO

Sounds like a Bedenite!!!

Parnell

What the hell is a Bedenite? Are you trying to spell Biden?

MoStro

Just about every “fact” in this piece is incorrect, and seems to be motivated by personal animus. Freddie used a number of LTC West’s columns on this site for quite some time. As to NCPA, the org was already in crisis and called on West too late. FIVE former employees have stated on various social media that West went w/o pay so that staff could be paid. As to “has no job” he is currently the Executive Director of the American Constitutional Rights Union and has been there since early March. As to Col. West “just looking out for himself,”… Read more »

MICHAELANGELO

How about that? Seems like others on this blog need to open their books BEFORE they open their MOUTHS!!!

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Russn8r

W . T . F are you talking about? Yourself apparently.

He wrote:

Just about every “fact” in this piece is incorrect…”

Nearly all the commenters agree.

MICHAELANGELO

I have yet to comment on Allen west. You Retards are the one spewing hate!!

Russn8r

1) Irrelevant deflection. 2) False.

MICHAELANGELO

Really? So who is WLP’s replacement?

MICHAELANGELO

You all need to take a “Chill Pill.” All of this BICKERING needs to STOP!! The NRA is a great organization. I don’t know of any other organization that has done more to fight for our 2nd Amendment rights. WLP is a FIGHTER!! Do you think that any of us are going to just run him off? This man takes on the POTUS. We need to cut this mess out. WLP is not perfect. None of us are either. We can’t just DISMISS and DISREGARD the hard work and dedication that WLP has accomplished for the rights of gun owners.… Read more »

DDS

Benito Mussolini wasn’t perfect either. But he did get the Italian trains to run on time!

MICHAELANGELO

Who is your choice to replace WLP?

Wild Bill

Wasn’t Mussolini “Time magazine’s Man of the Year” at one time?

MICHAELANGELO

He died bout 75 or 80 years ago

Wild Bill

Yes sir, I am aware of how Mussolini died. DDS mentioned that Mussolini made the trains run on time. And at the beginning of his socialist dictatorship, I believe that Mussolini was so well thought of, even in this country, that he was Time’s Man of the Year, in 1931 or so. As I recall …

Oldvet

WB…As I told russh8r he did not follow his own game plan . He could not even quote me correctly . I did not call you or him anything I said you sounded like . I also told him just like harold I will not be reading any of his garbage any more . I realize that with your background ignoring him and not reading him would be a huge challenge to you ! He knows he cannot convince you of anything . All he wants is to get into your head . If you read him he has accomplished… Read more »

Wild Bill

Brother, I saw it right off. As I recall, you were one of the ones that wisely advised me not to engage with him. And I have been doing just that. It is difficult leaving him the last insulting word.
I knew, even without reading it, that you would be involved in cleaning up after the Tornado in your community. My hat is off to you. Best regards to Sammy!

Oldvet

WB …By not reading him I’ll never know his last words …if any … ha ha .

Wild Bill

Why didn’t I think of that? Be safe out there!

Oldvet

As far as tornado …I was there in 91 working for utility company . What bothers me is that same year Hesston and Haysville were both hit . The book Dark Winter talks about cycles I certainly hope that cycle doesn’t repeat .

Russn8r

Still trolling me with snark attacks and sucking up to Bill. Effeminate M.O., like Bill’s.

Wild Bill

How long will Ammoland allow this slander to go on?

Russn8r

Oh how coy! You get to smear me, I don’t get to reply.

Still waiting: Ever honored the names of any of your vics, BILL?

Crickets chirping…

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Wild Bill

My battalion’s victims were Iraqis whose names I never knew.

Russn8r

Uh huh. Sure thing, Generalíssimo. That’s why you cover for drug warriors and dismiss their victims.

Wild Bill

He was not even conversing with you or writing on a topic that concerns you.

Russn8r

Oh really. Try reading it. If it mentions me, it concerns me.

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Wild Bill

“As far as tornado …I was there in 91 working for utility company . What bothers me is that same year Hesston and Haysville were both hit . The book Dark Winter talks about cycles I certainly hope that cycle doesn’t repeat .”

Nope, you are not in there.

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MICHAELANGELO

Who has done more for our gun rights?

Wild Bill

James Mason.

MICHAELANGELO

Yeah!!!

Russn8r

!!!

MICHAELANGELO

So what are you trying to say?

Wild Bill

Just that James Mason wrote the Second Amendment and insisted on its inclusion in the BOR.

MICHAELANGELO

Is he still with us??

Wild Bill

Not for a couple of hundred years!

Neanderthal75

What are you, 5 years old?

The passage of time is irrelevant to the actions of the individuals in question, as far as studying those actions and the outcome from them!

Why don’t you go get your binky, find your favorite corner, plop your butt down in the corner with your face towards the wall, and calm your wittle self down!

MICHAELANGELO

Take your medicine or Ram It and call me in the morning!!!

Neanderthal75

So was Adolf Hitler I believe for the 1936 Olympic year!

At least with il Duce, he actually ran Italy fairly well for pretty much 20 years! I might point out that he is also the only European leader to militarily confront Adolf Hitler and win prior to the onset of world war II!

Wild Bill

Yeah, maybe it was Hitler. Power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely.

Russn8r

Wow. So original!

Wild Bill

I don’t have to be original to agree with him.

Russn8r

Just boring.

JSNMGC

“You all need to take a ‘Chill Pill.'”

No, but I’m calm without one.

“Do you think that any of us are going to just run him off?”

If we can’t, that’s a problem in itself, isn’t it?

“We need WLP.”

We need an effective firearm rights advocacy organization that is led by someone with integrity and is governed by a board that represents the interests of the members.

MICHAELANGELO

What Proven fighter is your choice to replace WLP?

Ope

The only thing Lapierres useless thieving ass has been fighting is staying out of jail.

MICHAELANGELO

Why don’t you count his Victories rather than his shortcomings? Start with yourself.

JSNMGC

My choice would be someone who has the experience and knowledge to effectively lead that type of an organization, who has integrity, and who wants the job.

I haven’t interviewed anyone, so I don’t know who wants the job.

Having a candidate to replace Wayne isn’t a prerequisite for stating that Wayne needs to be replaced.

Russn8r

Is this you making star-struck goo-goo eyes?

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MICHAELANGELO

Don’t think so. I am waiting for somebody to tell me who can do a better job than WLP.

Russn8r

We told you: Lieutenant Colonel Alan West.

MICHAELANGELO

NOMINATE HIM

Russn8r

Did you even read the article, genius?

MICHAELANGELO

Do you keep up with the victories?

MICHAELANGELO

Yes I did. However some of you Retards are still kicking him rather than supporting him!!

Mdkoh

Ted Nugent?

MICHAELANGELO

NOMINATE HIM TOO

Russn8r

NO! That clown shares significant guilt for NRA’s destruction. He was on the board for decades, rubber stamped 100% of what Wayne wanted. And took OUR money for concerts – self dealing.

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MICHAELANGELO

Guess Ted Nugent is out!!

Mdkoh

Tom Selleck? I mean I am trying to be creative. Not seeing much of anyone else being suggested. Ted may have been a board member but I am pretty sure he isn’t one any more because of WLP.

MICHAELANGELO

Maybe or Maybe Not

Ope

Is Harold one of your hero’s too ?

Wild Bill

Hey MA, you are back! I thought that they had chased you away!

MICHAELANGELO

Nope. Still here. Still trying to get us together to fight biden and not one another.

Russn8r

Your hero LaPew & his vampire pals grifted all the money we gave NRA to fight Biden. Big reason he’s in the White House.

And does this look like WLP dedicated his life to fighting for our 2A rights”? LOL

MICHAELANGELO

Don’t forget to list the HUNDREDS OF VICTORIES!!!!

Russn8r

“Don’t forget all the great things Benedict Arnold did for us!”

MICHAELANGELO

So you agree that there is Good and Bad in all of us?

Russn8r

I agree you have an IQ like all of us, but it’s about 75, whereas everyone else on this board is over 100.

MICHAELANGELO

Speak for yourself!!

Deg4u

What victories? Claiming to be or take credit for things other gun rights organizations accomplished. Don’t see or hear of WLP helping or taking anybody to court for our constitutional rights. There is a lot more, just to name 2.

MICHAELANGELO

Do your research!!

MICHAELANGELO

Back with a VENGEANCE!!!

MICHAELANGELO

You all have gotten quiet!! Where is everybody?

KCsmith

Trolls be trollin

MICHAELANGELO

Cute!!

Russn8r

“WLP is not perfect. None of us are”

True, but there’s imperfect & there’s IMPERFECT.

Most of us didn’t grift, help grift & pocket $BILLIONS from NRA members, for example.

MICHAELANGELO

How much has biden took? How much of our hard earned money has he given to illegals? I am still waiting for somebody to tell me who can do a better job than WLP?

Ope

My 13 year old granddaughter could do a better job that trash. She’s a very honest girl that despises thieves.

MICHAELANGELO

Nominate her. It is very telling that you chose your granddaughter and not yourself!!!

Russn8r

Translation:

“Support WLP because he steals less than Biden!”

You one o’ them California toadies NRA’s paying to bus to the annual meet?

MICHAELANGELO

Get real. Tell me who do you think can do a better job? How much have you stolen in your lifetime since it is the principle rather than the amount. If you have STOLE ANYTHING in your life, I guess you would be disqualified as well.

Russn8r

LOL. Speaking of stealing, are you one of Lucky Pierre’s turd burglars?

MICHAELANGELO

Don’t think so!! I am a former member of one of the largest Unions in the country. I watched as the Bickering destroyed our solidarity and the company struck when we were the most vulnerable. The company knew we were a powerful force until we started fighting among ourselves. We never recovered. I hope the same doesn’t happen here.

Russn8r

You sure?

MICHAELANGELO

Hope it doesn’t happen. Let’s not forget that the Attorney General of NY is licking her chops when she reads this blog!!

JSNMGC

“I am a former member of one of the largest Unions in the country.”

I believe you.

MICHAELANGELO

Glad we can agree on something!! We gave the company what they asked for and soon after, they SHUT US DOWN!! Once we turned on each other, it was the beginning of the end.

JimQ

MichaelAngelo, Who are you really? This is just a pseudonym for a Wayne LaPIerre sycophant.

JQ

MICHAELANGELO

I am a former Alabama democrat turned Republican. I am an avid supporter of our 2nd Amendment. I have had enough of those trying to weaken our gun rights with an Atrocious political agenda. I am a fighter and will not back down from anyone who undermines our right to keep and bear arms. All of these insulting comments are going to come back on us and weaken our stand for the 2nd Amendment. I take offense to these Antics!! I am not a WLP man. I am all about the support of the 2nd Amendment. So you all bring… Read more »

Russn8r

“I’m not a WLP man.” Sure, you just “serve under him”. When you jump off Jeff Sessions do you take a breath before jumping on Wayne?

Wild Bill

How long will Ammoland subject us to these filthy thoughts?

Russn8r

Whatever are you talking about? You just have a filthy mind. How long will you stalk me, Bill?

MICHAELANGELO

That is quite COMICAL!! I have never been in the presence of WLP. Jeff Sessions was a weak U.S. Attorney General. He is where he belongs-Retired!! If I jumped on anyone, they would no longer be alive!! Your little illustration sheds light on the fact that you are Grasping At Straws!! I apologize. I thought you were a little more competent than you turned out to be!! SMH!! MERCY!!!

Russn8r

!!! Really??? !!! I’ll bet if you wanted to you could drain WLP of all his precious bodily fluids!!!

Do you like how I’m mocking you with multiple question marks and exclamation points, genius???

MICHAELANGELO

I guess you got to do what you can to level the playing field. Got enough of my own fluids. Don’t need anybody else’s. You are so DUMB that if you were driving down the street and the song End of The Road came on the radio, your DUMB Ass would stop and Get out!!!

MICHAELANGELO

Goodnight Hitler!!!

Wild Bill

He just makes up filthy slander about people and publishes it on Ammoland

Russn8r

More projection from Generalíssimo Bubble Boy. Stalk me, then whine when I respond.

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MICHAELANGELO

I agree. It’s just sickening.

Russn8r
MICHAELANGELO

I am not clicking on your links!!! I bet you like it from both ends!! Sorry. I am not a potential candidate. I don’t get down like that!! Try Elton John or Anderson Cooper!!

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Parnell

This coming from someone who throws the term “retard” around. You show a definite hostility to mentally-challenged individuals even though you appear to be one yourself.

Wolfpack98

I was going to comment but so many people just took the words from my mouth. Kind of ironic, Keene thought he was doing a service pointing out how bad West would be and in doing so, Keene outed himself as a useless LaPierre crony! Bet he’s not liking the replies too much. And I will never join NRA until Wayne is gone.

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MICHAELANGELO

Looks like the NRA is doing just fine without you. Keep it that way.

MICHAELANGELO

The NRA will survive without you

Ope

The former NRA is already history. The only thing they do now is take credit for anything and everything they have nothing to do with. Some things never change.

MICHAELANGELO

I think the NRA has celebrated several victories this year. Correct me if I am wrong. Isn’t the NRA in on a case or two that the Supreme Court will soon rule on?

Russn8r

Yes, the NRA has celebrated several victories by other groups and pretended it was responsible.

MICHAELANGELO

Name One?

MICHAELANGELO

Still waiting for you to Name One

Russn8r

For the 10th time, Lieutenant Colonel Alan West.

MICHAELANGELO

Name One of the victories by other groups that the NRA celebrated and PRETENDED that it was responsible for?

MICHAELANGELO

How long must I wait for you to Name One???

MICHAELANGELO

I don’t have all day for you to name One of the groups!!

MICHAELANGELO

Guess you got STAR-STRUCK GOO-GOO EYES!!

MICHAELANGELO

Are you going to Name the group or not???!!!

MICHAELANGELO

I will check back in a few hours to see if you have gotten your foot out of your mouth!!!

Russn8r

We’ll check back to see if you got Wayne’s caulk out of yours.

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MICHAELANGELO

No caulk. Just standing up against all of this rhetoric!! Has anyone done more for the 2nd Amendment?

Wild Bill

How long will Ammoland allow us to be subjected to this filthy talk?

TexDad

Are you advocating for censorship? No thanks.

Wild Bill

The First Amendment does not protect smut, slander, liable, fraud, or propaganda.

Russn8r

Except for yours.

MICHAELANGELO

Go to sleep Hitler. You have clearly shown that you are a “BIG DUMMY’

TexDad

Only cowards silence their opponents to protect their own delicate sensibilities.

Wild Bill

Just telling you some First Amendment law.
Only cowards fail to join the military. Only cowards escape reality using drugs recreationally. Only cowards … etc. See how useless that kind of insult is?

TexDad

Those are not good examples to compare with silencing the opposition.

It’s the internet, for crying out loud. Defend a bastard and someone is going to suggest you’re blowing him.

I would agree the bj accusations distract from any meaningful conversation, and even harm the accuser’s credibility, if any, when they make more serious comments. So I don’t engage in it, and it’s annoying when others do.

I draw the line before covering my ears and crying to mommy though.

Wild Bill

Those are excellent examples. False accusations of cowardice is as bad as any of h8r’s smut, and are not protected by the First Amendment.
So this is the internet, does that mean that we all give up on civil discourse?

JSNMGC

Were the comments made by you and Oldman, that I quoted, “smut?”

Do you want civil discourse, or do you just want to chastise certain people?

If you want civil discourse, you should stop lying and making-up things about people. You should also stop attempting to apply double standards.

TexDad

That’s ridiculous, and they are not. Your weak comparisons don’t even come close. I did not fail to join the military, I chose not to, and it wasn’t out of fear. What portion of adults join the military? What portion of adults use recreational drugs? Include alcohol.

Silencing the opposition, especially by whining for someone in authority to do it for you, is a cowardly move. You’re not going to dilute that with nonsense.

No, this is the internet, so grow up, be realistic, and don’t seek to censor everything that offends your sensibilities.

Wild Bill

I did not call you a coward, but I can see how that would be aggravating.

JSNMGC

Do you see yourself as the arbiter of what is protected? “I’m sure that you are an expert on sucking, bro.” ~ Wild Bill “They are all shagging each other in an apartment in San Francisco, having the time of their lives.” ~ Oldman “Yep! He will then have to go back to his lonely masturbation, and not his mutual masturbation sock pup club. His hand will get very tired, I’m sure.” ~ Oldman “Believe me, WB, none of the 3 Amigos + Will/Tex (if my epiphany is correct, and I believe it is) has enough juice in the old… Read more »

Wild Bill

So you think that nothing crosses the line?

JSNMGC

I think it would be great if conversations were more civil.

You have made-up wild, weird, and untrue things about me.

You have tried many times to create rules and then impose them on one group of people, but not another.

Russn8r had once attempted to strike a truce, but it fell apart.

The underlying tension on this board is due to a different matter.

Wild Bill

Oldman brokered the truce. H8r could not keep it up. He gave into the temptation of invective and insult.
Those are just the rules of educated debate.
No one makes up more wild, weird, untrue, and obscene things than your buddy.
How many people have come straight out and told you and h8r that no one wants to talk to them and to just go elsewhere?

JSNMGC

“No one?”

I’ve never written things like those I quoted above that Oldman wrote.

Did he violate the rules of educated debate?

You have “insulted” me and lied about me many times.

Did you violate the rules of educated debate?

You don’t like certain things discussed and those things are at the very heart of firearm rights.

Russn8r

BS. I offered a truce, you & Oldman immediately broke it.

Wild Bill

No, Oldman arranged it, and I was very supportive.

Russn8r

Prove it. Can’t stop lying, can you?

Wild Bill

I was there, and that is my testimony. It would go into evidence in any court in this country. And I think that Old man can testify to the truth of it, also.

Russn8r

As expected. LOL.

Wild Bill

Yes, civil and logical discourse would be better.

Wild Bill

No arbitrator is necessary, everyone can see h8r’s words.

JSNMGC

They see your words.

They see Oldman’s words.

Do you and Oldman violate the “rules of educated debate?”

Maybe a number of people could be more civil, but is that what you really want, or do you just want to chastise certain people?

A person who used to work for the Department of Defense a long time ago called the residents of an entire state “pussies” last night. You haven’t commented on his remarks.

Wild Bill

I had not heard, but you have not commented on the plight of the Inuit, yet.

JSNMGC

You continue to see what you want to see and pretend not see what you don’t want to see:

“Settling for “shall issue” just makes you guys a bunch of pussies. MEN, with BACKBONE stand for, fight for and DEMAND Constitutional Carry and settle for NO LESS! So, put on your big boy pants (Or panties if that is the case), form a coalition and STEP UP! Dethrone the tyrants that are denying YOU and your citizens their rights, and INSTALLL Constitutional Carry. The tyrants are only in power because you guys cower and ALLOW IT!” ~ USMC0351Grunt

https://www.ammoland.com/2022/05/disinformation-war-targets-constitutional-carry/#axzz7St5UI9Uc

Wild Bill

No, I just do not let you control the issues. As to this out of context paragraph, I never saw it before and I do not speak for anyone here.
What happened to you wanted more civil discourse?

JSNMGC

You frequently attempt to speak for other people here.

I provided a link so you can see the context of USMC0351Grunt’s comment.

Do you want civil discourse, or do you just want to chastise certain people?

I’m being civil and I don’t try to control the issues.

Were the comments I quoted, that were made by you, Oldman, and USMC0351Grunt, civil?

If you want people to follow the “rules of educated debate,” and engage in “civil discourse,” it would be helpful if you answered the question.

Russn8r

What filthy talk?

nitehntr

my wife and i are both endowment life members and had regularly made additional donations on a regular basis, but until Wayne LaPierre is gone i will not donate another dime and i have talked to quite a few other people who feel the same way. i have no idea what Oliver North found or didn’t find but whatever he found got this all started. LaPierre succumbed to the same thing a lot of long term powerful people do and became self important and it will cost the members the longer he is in charge. my two cents for what… Read more »

Cam

Yep, I’m not an endowment but I am a life member. First thing I ask when they call and ask for more cash is “if Wayne still there?” He is? Nope, not a cent till he is completely extricated from the NRA.

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MICHAELANGELO

That is your choice. We are free to make our own choices. I will not get upset with you making the decision not to give to the NRA. But don’t get upset with other members who decide to give.

Russn8r

Go for it! Put your money where Wayne’s caulk is! A fool & his money are soon parted.

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MICHAELANGELO

What Proven fighter is your choice to replace WLP?

Russn8r

You mean pillow-fighter? LaPew’s more like a pillow biter.

An ACTUAL fighter who hasn’t Proven his ability to betray us & wreck the NRA. Col West.

MICHAELANGELO

Can you tell me who has done more for our 2nd Amendment rights? Also, please tell me who you feel can do a better job? Everybody who hates WLP is just kicking at the wind!! Tell me who can do a better job!!

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Russn8r

ANYONE who hasn’t grifted $BILLIONS from members.

e.g. Col West, vastly better speaker than Lucky Pierre (the La is optional), NOT A SCUMBAG LOBBYIST TRAITOR who never owned a gun before he became EVP like Lucky Pierre, won’t give phony A grades, endorsements, yellow alert cards & cash to gun grabbers like Lucky Pierre.

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