Why They Murder Our Kids, and How to Stop the Next School Attack

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Why They Murder Our Kids, and How to Stop the Next School Attack

U.S.A. –-(AmmoLand.com)- Life tests our character and we are both the ant and grasshopper from Aesop’s fable. We both prepare and we procrastinate. We face a similar choice when it comes to protecting our children at school. Some of us planned and prepared ahead of time to protect our children, and some of us put that off for another day. What is worse is that some unprepared adults will blame the next mass murder at school on the citizens who took steps to protect their children from harm. Fortunately for all of us we know how to stop mass murder in our schools. That wasn’t always true. Defending our children at school was both discovery and an invention. I’ve studied school safety for the last decade and this is some of what we’ve learned.

Mass murder is designed to shock us, yet most of us ignore why these murderers kill our kids. Fewer of us act to take away the murderer’s motivation. Only a few of us work to put an effective defense in our schools. Mass murder strikes at all of our hearts, but a dedicated handful of people worked for years to make our children safer. It was hard work. It remains hard work.

Comparing mass murder to a natural disaster, it is easier to write detailed fire codes and seismic requirements for our schools than to admit that some people who look like us will deliberately hurt our children. Mass murder makes us feel helpless. We have to look evil in the face and not flinch. The good news is that we know exactly what to do to stop the next mass murderer in his tracks.

Murder is an ancient problem. We have laws against taking an innocent life but those laws are ineffective against someone who doesn’t care if they get killed. In the past, killing innocent victims was usually motivated by politics and religion and resulted in terrorist attacks. Planning your own suicide to include the death of a number of unrelated innocent parties is relatively new. We had to make a new name for it. This celebrity murder was spawned by the news media that turned the murderer into an overnight sensation.

As peculiar as celebrity murder sounds, we’ve seen similar behavior. We saw teenagers kill themselves so that they would be talked about on the local television news and in local newspapers. Teen suicides would cluster as one depressed teen wanted the attention given to the previous suicide. These troubled kids would rather be dead than live with the feeling of being ignored. We learned to keep these teens alive by not mentioning the name or showing the picture of the teenager who took his own life.

We reduced teen celebrity suicide when we denied the teenagers the notoriety they were dying to get.

We can trace the growth of celebrity murder back to the attacks in Dunblane, Scotland, and then to Port Arthur, Australia. It was 1999 when we saw a celebrity-murder jump to the US with the attack at the high school in Columbine, Colorado. Old investigative reports found over 80 copycat attempts following the attack at Columbine. I’m sure the number of copycats is far higher by now.

If you doubt that celebrity murder is real, then remember how the media idolized the two terrorists who set off a pressure-cooker bomb at the 2013 Boston Marathon. The media gave the murders a public relations campaign worth tens of millions of dollars. In response, thousands of attention-starved teens wondered what they would have to do so it would be their face on the news.

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The solution to stop celebrity murder should be as easy as repeating what we did to radically reduce teen celebrity suicide. What makes the solution harder is that few politicians will scold the press and hold them accountable for sensationalizing the mass murderer. The politician depends on the news media for campaign coverage.. and the press feeds the politician’s ego. I think that is why so few politicians will promote legislation to punish the news media when the press creates celebrity murderers.

Given our flawed political and media climate, we might think that the situation is hopeless if we want to stop someone who wants to kill others and then kill themselves. Threatening the murderer with punishment certainly doesn’t work. That means increased criminal penalties are ineffective. The murderers will study and plan for years. That means those mandatory waiting periods for firearms don’t work either. We’ve seen these murderers kill their family members to get a gun. We’ve seen mass murderers lie to school counselors and psychiatrists, so the murderer is not looking for help with their personal problems. That limits the therapeutic model of stopping mass murderers. In fact, many of the murderers feel superior to the rest of us because of their skill in deception and in manipulating others. A firearms background check looks backwards, and mass murder is simply not a long-term career choice.

We discovered the solution to stop mass murders in schools almost by accident, but the discovery wasn’t simple. Fortunately, we had lots of people looking for a solution. The obvious place to turn for expertise at protecting our children was to ask the people who carried guns at school every day as part of their job. The process of discovery started when we asked school resource officers what they could do to stop mass murder in our schools.

There is a strong strain of professionalism in law enforcement when it comes to learning from the experience of other agencies. Administrators studied what worked and what failed. Someone asked the organization that studied school resource officers to see if an SRO could stop a mass murderer. The answer offered a ray of hope.

Yes, the SRO is an effective deterrent. Unfortunately, he is in uniform so he is easily identified. All the attacker had to do was wait for the SRO to go to lunch or until the SRO was at the opposite end of campus. The multiple attackers at Columbine, Colorado drove the single uniformed officer off-campus with their gunfire. These researchers determined that time was the critical factor in stopping an attack. Whatever solution would stop the attacker had to be inside the building before the first shot was fired. Every other solution took too long and left too many of our children dead or injured.

After the attack in Sandy Hook, Connecticut, we had tens of thousands of school boards and school principals calling their local sheriff or their police chief. They asked for armed officers in every school. Time is so critical that the school officials wanted an armed officer in every building.

Consider the problem of providing an armed officer at school. Not only do you need an armed officer only seconds away from each student, but you have to be there whenever students are present. The defenders have to be on campus early to protect the music and sports activities that take place before class starts. The defenders have to stay late for the sports and drama activities that happen after school. Then we can add in the weekend sports and music activities. Now include the kids riding on the school bus and the sports teams riding to an away game. The magnitude of the problem seems overwhelming. The solution was staring some sheriffs in the face every day.

About one-in-a-dozen adults legally carry concealed in public. In some states, the sheriff issues concealed carry permits. Sheriffs knew that many school staff legally carried a concealed firearm in public. These school staff members carried all the time, except when they were at work.

Some states didn’t have that problem since they never disarmed parents and school staff. After seeing school attacks in other states, more of these school staff simply got more training and carried a concealed firearm at work more often. If that shocks you, then hold on to your seat for what we discovered next.

We have the perception that teachers are politically liberal. That is certainly true of their labor union, but less true of individual teachers. Teachers are our neighbors. Teachers were polled to see if they would be willing to carry a concealed firearm at work as part of a recognized school safety program. Like the population at large, most teachers said no. What was surprising was that a much larger fraction of them said “yes” than the fraction of adults in the general population who have their carry permits. We don’t know the opinions of the rest of the adults at school, people like bus drivers, janitors, and cafeteria workers. We learned that school staff may not like guns but many were willing to carry a gun to protect “their kids.”

The sheriffs who knew which citizens were legally armed in public put together the blind date between the school staff and the school boards. That solved part of the problem. Luckily, the next part of the solution was waiting to be discovered.

The law enforcement brain-trust that set the curriculum for school resource officers looked at the skills required to stop a mass murderer. Only a tiny part of law enforcement training was useful to defend a school. These law enforcement trainers considered if they could prepare civilians to stop a mass murderer. It would take only a few days of instruction rather than the months required for a law enforcement officer at a police academy. For one thing, these ordinary citizens already knew how to carry a concealed firearm because they did it every day.

Again, I think we were lucky. The psychological temptation is to add more and more qualifications on armed school staff. That ignores that each restrictive requirement means another disarmed staff member at school. Quantity has a quality of its own when time is critically important. The perfect solution is the dangerous enemy of good enough. As an aside, the shooting qualifications for school staff are more demanding than the scores required to become a law enforcement officer.

Putting teachers and instructors together was a monumental achievement. The program started small and grew year to year. The organizers were civilian volunteers who cared about saving our kids. They had the vision, raised the money from private donations, and fought the political battles to let school boards do what the boards thought was best. Civic volunteerism on this scale is uniquely American.

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Training on campus

We’ve talked about the defenders and their training. The last critical part of the solution to save our kids was provided by the attackers themselves. The murderers are not afraid of dying but they are deeply afraid of failure. They needed to murder a lot of people and nothing less will do. In their eyes, killing a hundred kids makes them a phenomenon while killing a few kids proves that they were really a failure all along. That turns out to be vitally important.

The murderers feared nameless mediocrity more than they feared death.

While the attacker may plan to murder unarmed students, they fear that they won’t see the little old lunch lady who pops out a back door of the school cafeteria and shoots them in the back. We don’t need a perfect defense but we do need a credible defense that sows doubt in the mind of the attacker. Mass murderers want a sure bet and armed school staff creates significant uncertainty in the attacker’s plans. Mass murderers turned away from schools and looked for other helpless targets in “gun-free” zones.

I have a fairly good imagination and we can imagine all kinds of problems that might exist with armed school staff. Before our imagination runs wild, consider that we already have several thousand man-years of experience with armed staff in schools. We wouldn’t notice that because concealed firearms are concealed. I have been in the training classes with school staff who volunteered to go armed on campus. The teachers and SROs talked to me after class. They were exactly the levelheaded people we want protecting our children. They would stop a bullet with their body to protect their kids.

Now we’ve given them a chance to save our children and a chance to go home alive. The greatest threat our children face is a politician and a journalist who can tell a biased story and leave the kids unprotected. That is another story for another time, but we have more challenges to face.

Let me leave you with this perspective. Our fantasies are not reality. Please consider this before you get overconfident because you play video games and think you could defeat a few elementary school teachers. In exercises on campus, the school staff I saw beat the police officers who tried to attack the schools. Our children are in good hands.

I respect both the SROs and the armed school staff. I’m glad they’re on our side defending our children. I wrote this so that more of us would be on their side.


About Rob Morse

The original article, with sources, is posted here. Rob Morse writes about gun rights at Ammoland, at Clash Daily, at Second Call Defense, and on his SlowFacts blog. He hosts the Self Defense Gun Stories Podcast and co-hosts the Polite Society Podcast. Rob was an NRA pistol instructor and combat handgun competitor.Rob Morse

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Vince

The No Gun Zone law passed in 1990, sponsored by Joe Biden, which banned guns in certain public places notably public schools facilitated these mass shootings. This law ” enables and guarantees a successful mass shooting every time” by making everyone in the public school system or venue defenseless and easy targets. This law also guarantees the shooters’ safety by making sure they alone had weapons during the carnage. Please notice that all these shooting occur at public schools, this law does not cover private schools or events which have their own armed security. There have been no mass shootings at private schools in the same 30 years. (1990 to… Read more »

Tionico

NOr has there ever been ONE gun incident in any of the school districts in Ohio, where the FASTER saves Lives programme Rob described has been in place. W
ord got out quickly, hey, don’t bother al these schools COULD have armed/trained staff, you will NOT succeed in any form of attack in any of them. perfect track record since the programme got started, right after ScammyCrooks.

Doc

The Principal of my school actively saught out teachers with Law Enforcement and Military Background. On my campus, he found three of us. We would weekly get together and work on our skills. We also hunted together and by doing these things, we learned a lot about each other’s abilities. All four of us (the principal included) carried concealed every day at school. No one knew except those who had a need to. When we finally were assigned an SRO, we began to train with him. We all brought skills and experience to the table. We all improved, the SRO… Read more »

Finnky

Thank you for your service (trite… I know, but sincere) i strongly agree with need for last ditch protection, but really appreciate your last sentence. If someone becomes a school-shooter best option is to stop them as quickly as possible by whatever method is available – lethal or not. I suspect some of the shooters could have been put on better path through reasonable adult interaction, had it been provided early enough. If not, identifying a threat early allows preemptive action from suspension to incarceration or even intercepting them outside school before they start shooting. OK – I don’t understand… Read more »

Wild Bill

That principle was (hopefully still is) a wise fellow!

john

Be a parent , children need guidance not another friend, Teenagers will push parents to the limit. Parents need to be held accountable for their children’s actions. Parents need to be held accountable for their own actions and their firearms. Safeguard your firearms at all times.

PMinFl

Wasn’t it in Mi. last year,where the parents bought the pistol for their underage disturbed son?

john

Bad parents stupid parents should be held accountable.

I remember as a kid my parents saying you live under my roof you will do as I say till your old enough to move out as we are responsible for your actions till then this is not a democracy or up for debate

Cooter

How is that gun free zone working out for you? It has been proven that gun free zones just don’t work taking guns away from law abiding people is not the answer it just makes it easier for the criminals and why is he not called a Latino supremacist terrorist ? Like they label white people? The real problem in the country is corrupt career politicians who do nothing but steal from the American taxpayers our so called government is organized crime at its finest…. Yes this was a terrible tragedy that should not happen but it is a good… Read more »

Wild Bill

The government and press have been populated by dishonest, greedy men since before our Constitution.

john

Nothing can prepare you for a event of such hate as the murdering of defenceless children at school. Social Media needs to be investigated as clearly in Texas the shooter had posted information that went unchallenged. The victims families will never recover from this man’s actions yesterday in Texas. I do not know of anything you could say to confront the families who have lost loved ones in such a senseless hate crime . What I can say to the media and the politicians this is not about them and their political party. If ever there was a time for… Read more »

Tionico

It is not the assigned task of those operating the “social media” to police poses and make reports to whomever might be appropriate. Nope. That is the job of John Q Citizen. When anyone even a nobody, sees posts like what this dirtbag put up, take action. Not hard to do. I hated theold “see something says something” thing that was going about some time back, as it was twisted. Made gummit out to be the oly entity capable of doing anything. We can, and should, all take stands agaisnt such violence, starting from when the intent is first made… Read more »

john

It was made obvious to a woman a private citizen that did nothing. There are facts that are still unfolding. Social media is policing those that have a different opinion and putting them so called facebook jail. I have no social media accounts so I am not a exbert. What I posted earlier was Vice President Harris calling for donations to bail out criminals in Minnesota. One was a felon who was involved in the sale of firearms. If Trump or a member of his administration or a republican did that the firestorm in the media and the call for… Read more »

swmft

you teach your children to be self sufficient and moral and responsible, or you raise them to be victims and live in mommies basement with no hope of self sufficiency drug addict looser have seen both outcomes

Skippy

Gun free zone legislation enacted in the 90s created innocents to be murdered

Russn8r

Backed at the time, and still backed today, by Wayne LaPierre.

Bucketboy

“The perfect solution is the dangerous enemy of good enough”.

Well said.

It sure was the motto in WW2. Worked well.

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Roo

I was the lead custodian in the residential hall at a college here in north Idaho for many years, I had to get a letter of exemption to be able to carry a firearm in the hall as it is a gun free zone. It took me two and a half years to get the letter from the administration at the college one of the conditions of the letter was that only the hall manager and the SRO knew that I was carrying she stood behind me in the long effort to obtain the letter as she knew how important… Read more »

Wild Bill

The fact that you had to go through that, at all, is troubling, in light of the Second Amendment. Oh, and welcome to the site!

Last edited 1 year ago by Wild Bill
Finnky

Seems as though main stream media has partially adopted some of this. Following more recent mass killings, I’ve seen more pictures and stories about the victims. i would however be OK with significant coverage of killers. You can name them all you want – just do so with assigned names as done with hurricanes. Go ahead and publish their picture. Show them in puddles of blood, with their brains scattered about, show how they shat and pissed themselves in death. Tell the story of all their embarrassing failures which contributed to their insanity. Of course, stress killer’s utter failure in… Read more »

Mac

I graduated High School in 1967 in Oregon. We had firearms in our school, both students and teachers. The firearms where rifle team members and students going hunting after school. Firearms were in the students /teacher locker. No one ever misused a firearm at our school and I don’t recall anyone having a problem with the firearms being present. What bothers me most is virtually al of these mass murderers were o n law enforcement radar yet nothing was done to keep an eye o them or take steps to keep a crazy from possessing a firearm. I don’t have… Read more »

Cruiser

And just why are there so many “Crazies” acting out on their thoughts?
We don’t need more prisons, we need more mental intuitions.
Everyone in prison already has mental issues.

Last edited 1 year ago by Cruiser
Wild Bill

I wonder if that kid was on any prescription meds? Many of these prescription meds cause this kind of behavior.

swmft

not just hunting after school, when you lived in rural areas you needed a gun walking the mile or two home, bears snakes bobcats carried a 410 had buckshot and slugs in my pocket still have the winchester

Wild Bill

With all the child predators around, maybe kids need guns more than ever.

swmft

as an ex cop you need to stand up for what is right, the blue be damned dont know about you but I signed on to Serve and Protect

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Wild Bill

I think that we all want the problem solved. Could we get the real facts, first; hear the cops side of the story; and not jump to the conclusions that the media wants us to jump to?
Then if we put our heads together, maybe we can come up with something.
Policing is not my area, so I would really like to hear the law enforcement folks” ideas.

Dee

The fact that this happens 100X more here than other countries should be where we start! Why?

Tionico

As my fury mounted on reading the details of the Sandy Hook incident as they were uncovered, I found myself wondering WHY not one person at that schoolwas armed, let alone trained. I found myself pondering how different the outcome ould have been had, say, the teacher in that first classroom he entered been armed, skilled, ready. Imagine, on hearing the gunfire down the hall as he approached the room, quietly giving the prearranged signal/command for the kids to get upo out of their seats, take their agreed upon position behind the doors as they would be opened, not visible… Read more »

FL-GA

Reading these comments makes me think that you didn’t get your point across. A report of this kind of tragedy should start with something like, “A mentally ill and emotionally immature individual acted out yesterday”. And finish with, “He won’t be remembered, but his childish actions will”.

None

They will be pushing hard the anti-gun bills now, Anybody who shoots their Grandmother has a serious problem but as much as I hate to say this it could be another false flag event
I’m am glad they put the scum bag down for good,
An armed citizen might have been able to stop this tragedy, I’m sure Biden loved it for his great tear down America plan

Quatermain

Much better solution; home school. Better for their developing intellect and safer for their souls.

loveaduck

Not all parents are good at such.

Tionico

WRONG. God does not entrust children to parents because they “are good at such”. The parents need to grow in how to raise/train their own children, sure. but NO ONE is “unqualified”.

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There are plenty of homeschool curriculum available to make it so that all parents are good at it. My wife was an RN that gave up her career to homeschool all FOUR of my sons. She used curriculum that is available for fair prices. 20 years x $50 K minimum was the price WE had to pay to keep our children safe.

john

School Shootings I do not agree with some of the language used though you cannot escape the facts A must read to understand this is nothing new

https://www.k12academics.com/school-shootings/history-school-shootings-united-states

RAS

First and foremost, prayers for the victims and thier families. That said, it should be no suprise that when a civilization devalues human life even at it’s inception, all the way to and including birth, these heinous acts will continue. Also, it is exacerbated by people in power and other “influencers” who play us against each other. They do it just to enrich themselves without really caring what the result of their words and actions are. Finally, it seems we as a people have yet to recognize that there are many who are suffering from mental illness.They are ignored even… Read more »

crazy joe

With what was said in that reply is correct, but we need to get back to the was we were protected years ago. It was as a kid people in this country learned to protect themselves. not letting the azz get away with it. It has got to a point that the government is running our lives and doing what the hell they want. I’m 82 and hate what has happened to life now. Its like we can’t do anything without their (government) permission.

swmft

we did for ourselves and helped others where we could @crazy joe we do need to try to turn this around to that

Mystic Wolf

If schools were not such soft targets things like this would not happen! Back 40, 50, 60 years ago and more s hools had shooting clubs and safety classes for guns, now those in office want people to be scared of guns, well now those be afraid of guns chickens have come home to roost and our kids are paying a very high price. It is not the guns that are committing these atrocities but the criminal thug that is, yet you can bet that the anti news media and all the rest will say that the gun did the… Read more »

Wild Bill

Yes, and the notion of unified schools (all grouped up) is foolish, too. Remember all the plains grouped up at Pearl Harbor? Grouping all the kids up makes them a worthy drug pusher and assassination target, spreads disease and bad habits, and distances teachers from the needs of their students. Disperse into smaller schools scattered about the district.

Last edited 1 year ago by Wild Bill
PMinFl

Thanks Rob, let’s get this information spread throughout the main stream media. We can all share it with our school boards.

gregs

excellent article, truly worthy of sharing, thank you rob.

Levelhead

Interesting and well written. I can only find one point that does not sit right. In one place the author says “willing to take a bullet to protect our kids.” I would be willing to fire a bullet, take a life, to protect some one else’s child but I’m not willing to take a bullet to protect anyone except my own. Trainers often tell us to visualize scenarios in which we would act defensively and having done that my decision is to protect myself and my own. Being willing to die to do that is hard to do but being… Read more »

Finnky

Taking a bullet to protect their students IS something teachers have done on multiple occasions. Pretty much every time there is a mass shooting media covers at least one hero who did just that. Like you I don’t think I’d sacrifice myself for individuals outside family, but that doesn’t mean there are not those who would. As Rob Morse says, shouldn’t we allow such heroes tools to be more effective and increase their odds of both stopping an attack and surviving? You have thought through scenarios deciding what you ought to do commiserate with your morals and skill set. However… Read more »

Tionico

Had Aaron Feiss at Parkland been allowed to have been arme,d, HE would have killed the dirtbag shoooter rahte rthan being killed by him as he wrapped HIS OWN BODY around two of his students to try and save their lives.

Maybe YOU would not do that, sitting there in the comfort of your easy chair. Maybe in the heat and noise and snmmoke you would. You’re not there now. But being armed, trained, ready is enough. Good on yer for doing that much.

3l120

The idea is not to take a bullet, but to be willing to risk taking a bullet. No-one is asking you to stand there and be a target.

Rock

FIRST question is HOW DID HE WALK RIGHT IN ? Second, WHERE WERE THE ARMED GUARDS ? Third DIDN’T ANYONE CALL ABOUT HIS ONLINE PICS AND RANTS ????? Ironic, you can’t walk into a prison full of murderers/rapist/abusers/ect.unarmed OR armed, yet he walked right into a grade school filled with children, sad. WHERE are the priorities, use the unused BILLIONS (90 ?) set aside for schools that is just sitting there to protect/guard schools ! This kid seemed to be a ticking time bomb (again) and nothing was done, duplicate fruitcake of the supermarket in N.Y. The Covid shutdown messed… Read more »

Rock

I look at it this way, should, or DO I want to lose my gun rights, ownership, future buys given up for a few being mentally ill being allowed to slip through due to their mental history being kept secret ? ABSOLUTELY NOT ! I know this goes against some out there who do not want the ability for mental history to show up on the background check stats, BUT…. by doing this we law abiding, completely sane citizens are going to pay the price for the secrecy of a few and “I” am NOT willing to back laws that… Read more »

Dubi Loo

The loons abhor these viable solutions. So who are the heartless? Who allows our children to be slaughtered? Who in God’s name made schools “gun free zones” AKA killing funnels? If you guessed Traitor Joe, you would be correct.

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Traitor Joe and his ilk. They want us disarmed and so every time some insanity like this goes on they can try to blame the law abiding for owning “assault weapons” which are not needed for hunting deer.

EstherKlein

I am scared by actual events. This week terrorists have attacked again in Tel Aviv, and now I start to think that, at least, online learning is safer. I can’t find another solution at the moment.

Tionico

there is one very biblical solution that stares everyone in the face but far too few avail themselves of it. The money quote is: FATHERS teach YOUR children”. This is a command. You can get heop work with others, use outside resources, but the training/education of YOUR children is YOUR responsibility. Paying money to other unvetted and often unqualified “adutls” to “teach” them is a cop-out. Their training and educationis YOUR responsibility. When I was a kid my parents worked very closely with the teachers and admin of the small private school I atttended. They were sort of enlisted to… Read more »

Cruiser

It all began with “The Greatest Generation” when women went to work because their husbands were off fighting WWII. When the war ended women did not return to raising the family, and liked the dual income situation. After that children were turned into “Latch-key Kids” left alone with no real guidance. Next throw in Government to become the “Parents”, taking away all parental responsibility allowing kids to “Do your own thing and If it feels good do it”, and children having children with no parenting skills or morals. After that take away parents to discipline their own children. In recent… Read more »

hippybiker

Something to ponder. A female, Black(sic)judge let a 16 year old rapper who shot a Cop with a criminal record of carrying a gun when he was 14! There’s the problem!

Cruiser

We had a Judge who had to be told by the DA what to do with the marijuana
after a possession conviction. Found out later the Judge also smoked weed.

Bill

It all seemed so clear and easy, upon reading, “Fortunately for all of us we know how to stop mass murder in our schools.” Upon plowing through a long article, mostly about being careful not to reward a shooter’s desire for fame, I can’t say that I found out what that seemingly straightforward method is. A supposed offer of a solution turned into a complicated musing on all kinds of things, without saying at all “…how to stop mass murder in our schools.” Lots of fine thoughts, sure, but certainly no fulfillment of this claim.

HLB

Maybe that is because we all know how to stop mass murder in our schools already.

HLB

Jason

Did you read ALL of the article? Most of the answer was in the last half. I do agree that he had the reader going one direction then abruptly changed direction on us.

Russn8r

Actually it was quite clear: ARM TEACHERS AND CIVILIAN STAFF.

Dee

And I can imagine the shitstorm that would cause if several teachers go “postal….ummm….nutzo” at school and ‘off’ several individuals because they are dealing with your kids. We have seen MANY teachers fighting kids, throwing sh!t at kids, cussing at kids, etc. It will happen because not ALL teachers and staff are sound, prudent, upstanding individuals. So we will have to start vetting teachers and their past may hurt their chances of getting a job where we are already at a shortage. But you know (I hate to say this especially with what I own as a 2nd Amendmentsupporter) if… Read more »

Ronald Brooks

nice

rgshel

Hire the veterans who have served their country most of them are trained in combat and can learn how to deal with civil issues in America to be the faces of security for our school age children when dealing with EVIL…

Russn8r

Great article. Why must so many “gun rights” supporters pussyfoot & babystep away from armed civilian staff? LaPierre has backed “gun free” school zones since long before he testified for them in 1998. His genius plan after Sandy Hook was to hire govt-union cops for every school, as if there could ever be enough to put one in every room. As if the govt isn’t big enough & inflation bad enough already. The solution is armed civilians. The only one with you at all times is you. The only adult in a classroom at all times is a teacher.

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Thought I’d mention…Mark lost. Thanks for the support though!

Sorry to hear that.

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Every Sheriff could maintain a “Posse” of armed sworn in civilian deputies that are trained and are willing to protect the county they live in. They should be able to drop in at the local schools and patrol them at will any hour of the day that it is open after signing in with the SRO or someone in charge of the program. The POSSE is the COUNTY militia. It is what the State militias were drawn from many many years ago. I would be a member in a heartbeat. Many senior citizens would. It would give them something to… Read more »

That’s the way it used to be until the advent of professional police forces.

Wild Bill

What is professional about the average police force?

swmft

professional grifters

jail the children what has the world come to ,we took guns to school every day we were taught to respect each other ,only thing I remember was someone shooting the bottom out of holder, loaded no safety pulled out by trigger dont remember who it was but he got laughed at a lot that year, and everyone else counted and pocketed before entering the room

Finnky

While I am not a fan of granting privileges to select few, I think that LEOSA should be expanded to include teachers enrolled in school safety programs. They know how to conceal, retain, and responsibly use their firearm. If we trust them to carry a gun around children every day, why should we not trust them everywhere else? We have seen that crazy ex students target teachers – shouldn’t former teachers retain their capability to protect themselves elsewhere?

JSNMGC

Expand LEOSA?

Why not abolish LEOSA and allow teachers to carry under the same laws that are available for non-government employees?

Finnky

I do agree that LEOSA should not be necessary for anyone. So yes, abolish it and institute national constitutional carry. I for one hate having to research laws of other states, with generally unclear results. So many states have so many idiosyncrasies making crossing state lines hazardous to your wellbeing. Colorado has idiotic magazine laws and lacking state preemption has crazy local laws in places like Denver. At least Maryland and California are clear – “you are screwed, surrender all freedom at the border.” Thank goodness I no longer have any need to visit CA. Maryland is still on my… Read more »

JSNMGC

Thanks for your comment.

It didn’t take long for statists to down vote you.

Every time some depraved person commits an atrocity, within the United States, the anti-firearm rights crowd and the Starship Troopers both come out with recommendations that have some combination of reducing freedom and increasing the power and cost of government.

Dindinlorfy

That’s so scary as a parent to think about such a danger to your kid. They must think about ways to do their homework. We must help them to do it, sometimes by using some services because it’s easier. But not about traumatized teens who didn’t get help at the time.

Dindinlorfy

I wanted to say that all kids must have their psychologist meetings, and schools must take care of students’ wellness. Without it, we will see more and more such situations and more kills. Sometimes parents don’t understand how hard to study their teens. That’s why there are many resources such as https://uk.edubirdie.com/buy-assignment-online with homework help. We need to make our kids happy.

Tionico

all kids must have their psychologist meetings, and schools must take care of students’ wellness. what planet did YOU drip in from? Kids MUST HAVE their psych meetings? Hoosez? These psych dweebs are often part of the problem. PARENTS are theones in charege of THEIR chidlren. The ones this dirtbag had did not do so well did they? It stil falls upon THEM what happened. And since when is it the SCHOOL”S job to “take care of wellness”? That’s a fairy tale, or worse. PARENTS have that responsibility, Most often it is the school’s nonsense being stuffed into the kids’… Read more »

john

Get you fact correct please
Kids need discipline teens need a mother and a father who love them. Tough love goes a long way to building a productive member of society. Parents need not fear their children as the democrats insist they know better.

https://www.k12academics.com/school-shootings/history-school-shootings-united-states

1700sThe earliest known United States shooting to happen on school property was the Pontiac’s Rebellion school massacre on July 26, 1764, where four Lenape American Indian entered the schoolhouse near present-day Greencastle, Pennsylvania, shot and killed schoolmaster Enoch Brown, and killed nine or ten children (reports vary). Only two children survive

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