FBI Hid the NICS-Index-Self-Submission Form from Public Scrutiny

Proof That The FBI Hid The NICS-Index-Self-Submission Form, iStock-944602630
Proof That The FBI Hid The NICS-Index-Self-Submission Form, iStock-944602630

WASHINGTON, D.C. -(Ammoland.com)- Why did the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) hide a form that stripped American citizens of their rights? Who was using these forms and to what end?

In 2019, AmmoLand News uncovered secret documents including NICS-Index-Self-Submission Form that the FBI disseminated to the mental health community. The form let American citizens add themselves to the National Instant Criminal Background Check System (NICS) indices. A person completing the form would then be prohibited from buying a firearm for the rest of their life. Sources inside the FBI said this form was supposed to be kept a secret from the public. Now thanks to a Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) request by Gun Owners of America (GOA), we can confirm the accusations.

The FBI used the NICS-Index-Self-Submission Form to add people to the NICS indices even though they did not meet the definition of a prohibited person by the letter of the law.

A person could fill out the form and mark that they are a danger to themselves or others. They could also mark a box stating that they “Lack the mental capacity adequately to contract or manage details of my life.”

Many wonder how a person could sign away one of their constitutionally protected rights if they cannot even enter into a contract because of their mental state. It seems like the person who would check that box would be unable to consent due to mental deficiencies, yet the FBI has made a form that agrees to the government stripping them of a fundamental right for the remainder of their lives.

In an exchange with the Massachusetts Department of Mental Health (Mass DMH), the FBI was asked about the NICS-Index-Self Submission Form. The mental health facility wanted to “get these people into the database.” The FBI told the Mass DMH to email or fax the forms over to them. The FBI would update the NICS indices once they received the documents making more prohibited people.

Another person emailed the FBI about obtaining the form for themselves. The FBI provided the form to the requester, who filled it out and sent it back, making them a prohibited person for life. The person asked if they could publicly share the form for others to fill out. The FBI denied the request for “privacy” reasons.

The FBI response reads: “I understand that my co-worker answered your questions today. I was in class until this afternoon. As she stated when it comes to the mental health prohibition everything is surrounded by privacies. The self-submission form is utilized only under special circumstances, and in addition to it, there are other forms that we do not share publicly. Typically, your state bureau/law enforcement, or physicians are who would contact us making requests. Hope your questions were answered.”

This document was hidden from the public until uncovered by AmmoLand. The FOIA request by GOA prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that the FBI hid the form from the public and even from those with Congressional oversight. They also reference other documents that the FBI hides from the public. Many in the gun community wonder if those documents also strip people of their civil rights.

Until more FOIA requests are filed, we will have to wait and see what is found. The FBI refused to tell AmmoLand News about any other documents.


About John Crump

John is a NRA instructor and a constitutional activist. John has written about firearms, interviewed people of all walks of life, and on the Constitution. John lives in Northern Virginia with his wife and sons and can be followed on Twitter at @crumpyss, or at www.crumpy.com.

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nrringlee

Welcome to Denunciation Nation. Denounce your parents, your wife, even yourself for a big prize!! Orders of Lenin to anyone who denounces his or her own family to the New American KGB. If you are a ‘mental health professional’ you can even compete for the Solzhenitsyn Prize which gives you two weeks at a luxury timeshare in beautiful Caminera Cuba. This is the nation we are building as we allow the Administrative State to run wild over our enumerated Natural Rights. If you were too busy to vote in the 2022 Midterms pat yourself on the back. You are their… Read more »

Roland T. Gunner

Denunciation Nation? Sounds like one of those stupid Dept. Of Education, Ad Council cartoons they used to show on Saturday mornings.

You know

I’m just a bill

Conjunction junction

JimQ

School House Rock were great cartoons.

Roland T. Gunner

No negativity toward OP, just seeing how the concept could be integrated into the Left’s program.

Choogie

I don’t believe that enough people didn’t Vote in the right direction. I know for a fact that the Votes were stolen again. But who cares, right! You can sit back there and blame it on the voter but I say it wasn’t the voter it was the left side with drop boxes that are still allowed and What day did you say that vote was suppose to be counted on. Was it the 1st day, the 2, 3 4 5 days after and the vote still wasn’t counted. That’s against our Constitution and the votes beyond the VOTING DAY… Read more »

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Arny

That’s right the proof is there if you care to look. I’m still wondering when someone will start asking questions about IT-ISAC & Homeland Security role in our elections ? And why these machines can not be inspected for nefarious BS. And how there seems to be a monopoly on these voting machines ?
https://opslens.com/how-canada-based-dominion-voting-

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StLPro2A

Not to worry for those too lazy to vote. The Demoturds voted for them

New sweat shirt from D’Sousa website….”When I die, don’t let me vote Democrat.”

Montana454Casull

Every clown that votes Democrat should be forced to fill out the form. Crazy liberals should be denied the right to own a gun . There I fixed the purpose of this form to target the unhinged part of American society .

Jay Dee

So what happens if I submit a form in someone else’s name. I don’t like John Doe. I know he likes duck hunting. So I submit one of these forms claiming that I am John Doe.

Ansel Hazen

Think of the delicious havoc that could be caused if that form got into the public domain. With enough submissions of those John Does that the program would have to be canceled due to the inability to verify the validity of all the millions that got sent in.

nrringlee

No, actually, the Harris/Biden Regime will just use 87,000 new IRS agents to help process the mountain of claims.

musicman44mag

Let’s fillem out for every democrat in congress.

Ansel Hazen

Lol, that’s where I was headed but kinda thought why limit it to congress critters? Why not include any leftylibtard you run across during your daily activities.

musicman44mag

No lie.

Terry

If you submitted one as Hunter Biden nothing would happen.

Arny

Hope your Doctor doesn’t think you’re nuts. This should entice more people needing mental health help to seek out a Doctor. Knowing you will loose your right to 2A for life. It’s almost like they want suicides to go up. Same as Canada just a different route. lol

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linkman

I have read that these forms lacked an OMB number. That makes them invalid per federal regulations.

J Gibbons

That warrants further investigation.

nrringlee

They will quickly assign a KGB number to fill that oversight.

BobS

Nothing sent by email or SMS has any confidentiality, nor source verification, unless the sender takes specific action to protect it. The sender’s identity can be spoofed, and the content is accessible while it’s in transit – like a postcard.

Saying “just email those forms over to us” is irresponsible at least, and possibly illegal since the source data is protected under HIPAA.

J Gibbons

Of course they don’t want to follow the rules. The “higher goal” of getting people on the prohibited list trumps everything.

Nam62

We should fill the form out in every DemoRat’s name. Also strip them of all security protection For life!!!

gregs

didn’t hunter b. fill out one of those?

Roland T. Gunner

And citizens in Soviet Russia thought the NKVD was bad.

Chuck

Proving what many have long suspected, Avoid Form 4473 if at all possible. It can and will, be used against you.

tatersalad

I watch these old Hitler documentary’s on the history channel how he and others like Mao disarmed all of there private citizens. And it is truly scary how Nazi Germany’s history is beginning to repeat itself here instead of Hitler its the democrats that are trying to disarm the Amercan citizens. The second amendment is the only thing standing in there way of democrat Hitleresk tyranny and total domination of our freedoms.

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Cam

The FBI and ATF have become organized crime entities. Can we cancel their budget and funding now?

American Cynic

Requiring that you fill out a form 4473 when purchasing a gun from an FFL, how is that not registering your ownership of that firearm? If you’ve ever purchased a handgun from a licensed dealer, filled out a 4473, you can rest assured that you are on a register of gun owners. Now the question is, if you sell that gun privately to someone, how do you get off the register when you no longer own that firearm? Still got you by the balls. If that gun is used in a crime, they will come after you. Make sure you… Read more »

musicman44mag

Well here in Oregoneistan it is now against the law to transfer a firearm unless it is in the family without going through an FFL. That’s how they fixed that here. So, if you do the transfer and they don’t keep the records and who has it, how are they supposed to know you no longer own it? I’m cornfused. They literally have millions of records of gun sales. Friday, a state judge in Harney County decides how much and what shall or shall not become law in Oregoneistan after the unconstitutional passing of measure 114. Right now, he has… Read more »

uncle dudley

More proof that the FBI is corrupt, time to reboot the agency from the top down.

Tionico

na. reboot is not acceptable. How about a “boot” out of existence? Cancel the entire organisation, and put at least a ten year hiring hold for any government position imposed upon all former FBI personnel.

Oldvet

Add BATFE personnel

Vince

Catch-22 form.

musicman44mag

Hey little boy or girl or ? Fill out this form and we will give you a check for the rest of your life but you must vote democrat on every election for a safer America.

Zhukov

Need to fill one of these out for everyone in the FBI and ATF.

ashort

The thing is what is going to be done about these people that signed that form, not understanding or knowingly giving up their 2nd Amendment rights for life. That form is BS and there should not even be a form in existence for giving up you 2nd Amendment rights for any reason. it is a blatant disregard to the U.S. Constitution not including your civil rights as A U.S. citizen (kinda the same thing) regardless those people that signed the form should have their 2A rights restored, and the FBI should be punished for even having such a form..

JimQ

who at the FBI created this form? At whose direction was this form created? who authorized the distribution and use of this form? Why aren’t any of these bureaucrats in jail?

StLPro2A

New sweatshirt from Dinesh D’Sousa website….”Put the FBI on the FBI Watch List.” Should add the ATF.

Dogma Factor

Could someone please fill out the form and put it on Biden’s desk, he’d probably sign it thinking it’s an executive order!

james

How can a person legally sign this form?

A person could fill out the form and mark that they are a danger to themselves or others. They could also mark a box stating that they “Lack the mental capacity adequately to contract or manage details of my life.

Montana454Casull

I was just wondering if we could get paper copies sent to us for the next toilet paper shortage ?

Montana454Casull

Every member of the FBI , ATF and Biden administration better fill this form out . This will be on the best interest of the rest of us .