
U.S.A. -(Ammoland.com)- In Tennessee, HB 1264 has passed with large margins. Republican Governor Bill Lee has said he will sign the bill into law, according to AP.
HB 1264 passed the House on April 30, 62 to 31, with one legislator not voting. On 2 May, it passed the Senate, 18 to 11, with two senators not voting.
The final bill was watered down with amendments. As passed, HB 1264 has interesting features which reform Tennessee law in the general direction of Constitutional Carry. It is clear the Tennessee legislature was not willing to pass Constitutional Carry this year.
HB 1264 creates a two tier carry permit system. The lower tier is created by HB 1264, while the existing permit becomes the higher, or “enhanced” carry permit.
The new law becomes effective as of 1 January, 2020.
The new permit requires the handgun be carried concealed. This is a unique feature to Tennessee. Most states require more training and permits to carry concealed. As of 1 January, 2020, in Tennessee, the state will require more training to carry openly.
The new permit lists several ways that training requirements may be met. This makes it easier to obtain a permit. Training will be able to be conducted online, though an online course is not yet available.
Holders of the new permit will be excluded from carrying in more places than are excluded from the existing permit.
A photograph and fingerprints will be required on the new concealed carry handgun permit.
Originally, the bill eliminated the requirement for a photograph and fingerprints. Several other states do not require photographs or fingerprints or both.
The Wisconsin permit does not require a photograph or fingerprints, and is recognized in Tennesee. The Wisconsin permit fee is $40. Pennsylvania does not require a photograph or fingerprints to obtain their firearm carry permit. The Pennsylvania permit costs $19. Tennessee recognizes the Pennsylvania permit in Tennessee.
With the amendments, HB 1264 still requires a photograph and two sets of fingerprints. Those requirements increase the cost of the permit considerably.
The new permit fee will be $65 instead of $100. Originally, the bill called for elimination of the fee, but an amendment in the House added the $65 fee. Indiana has eliminated their fee for a five year permit. No photograph is required for the Indiana permit.
With other states’ examples before them, some Second Amendment supporters in Tennessee wonder why they could not have achieved more reforms this year. From tenneseefirearms.com:
Now, some who identify as 2nd Amendment supporters have defended their “yes” votes by suggesting that this was a necessary “step” toward constitutional carry. Enacting a law that creates confusion, risks and delay is “necessary” or even a step in the right direction? That is not a credible excuse nor is it consistent with the campaign promises or constitutional oaths of office. What it evidences is in fact an unwillingness to actually run and pass constitutional carry, as 17 states including Kentucky have done, despite the fact that the Republican caucus is a super majority and it could do so even if every Democrat voted against it.
The history of restoring Second Amendment rights has been one of significant progress through incremental reform. HB 1264 makes some small steps toward Constitutional Carry.
With other states passing straightforward Constitutional Carry bills, it is likely that personal politics in Tennessee are slowing the reform progress in Tennessee. In some states, a single person has stopped the progress of reform for years.
Tennessee had no difficulty in reforming their law on the definition of firearms.
In 2019, the Tennessee Legislature passed, and Republican Governor Bill Lee signed into law, HB 0712. HB 0712 changes the definition of firearm in Tennessee law to make it compatible with federal law. It does this by excluding antique firearms from the previous definition.
Antique firearms are those manufactured before 1898, and muzzle loading firearms.
HB 0712 passed the Senate and House unanimously, and was signed into law on 2 May, 2019.
About Dean Weingarten:
Dean Weingarten has been a peace officer, a military officer, was on the University of Wisconsin Pistol Team for four years, and was first certified to teach firearms safety in 1973. He taught the Arizona concealed carry course for fifteen years until the goal of constitutional carry was attained. He has degrees in meteorology and mining engineering, and recently retired from the Department of Defense after a 30 year career in Army Research, Development, Testing, and Evaluation.
Why is anyone ok with this? You have the right to bear arms already. That state has no right to turn this right into a taxed privilege. Carry on until a jury strips you of your right through due process. If they try to stop you, then that’s the whole reason we have the second amendment. We had to kill our government to give birth to freedom in 1776. Perhaps we need to remind them who signs their paychecks.
I just dont see why we have to pay for a permit, id be cool with 10 20 bucks but 5 or 4 hundred, not everyone can afford which makes it difficult. I have a friend who was stabbed 4 times and survived because someone pulled her ex off her an held him at gun point, but she saw the knife coming an tried to run, but even she said that had she had her gun she could have saved herself had she been able to afford to buy a permit to keep her gun on her. as she needed,… Read more »
Being an active Tennessee instructor (life member NRA and former military) and dealing with the range portion of the current permit I’m completely against anything that doesn’t require some sort of skills test. 30% of students are unable to pass the range portion of the test without instruction. The inability to safely handle and shoot a simple 3 yard target doesn’t do anyone any good. The founding fathers never thought the citizenry would be so clueless concerning firearm manipulation.
Another LaPierre/NRA sponsored “Success” (compromise of the 2nd Amendment). Note that the state 2nd Amendment organization was on the right side of this battle, like most other state organizations. The NRA is like the Federal government in that it is too big, has too much power and is full of bureaucrats and political hacks making too much money to be concerned with individuals rights across the entire country whereas the state groups are in touch with their residents and know what they want and what is needed.
This new concealed-only “permit” will cause a lot of legal problems for many who get them. The reason TN originally went with a combination concealed/open-carry “carry permit” was so that if you were carrying concealed and bent down to to pick something up and your jacket moved and inadvertently exposed your weapon for a brief few seconds, you could not be charged with brandishing or open carrying on a concealed only permit. Some people are going to get burned with this and the lawsuits are going to fly.
An unnecessary law that nobody in Tennessee wants and that is inconsistent with existing Tennessee law. This new law was supported by the NRA and opposed by the Tennessee Firearms Association. That should tell you all about what is going on here. The NRA is screwing Tennessee gun owners again. We still remember the NRA’s Guns in Parks disaster: https://tennesseefirearms.com/2017/01/nras-lawsuit-against-the-city-of-knoxville-over-chilhowee-park-ban-settled-not-good-for-gun-owners/. The NRA also, once again, wrote itself into the legislation, such that an NRA certified trainer is acceptable but a USCCA trainer is not: https://www.capitol.tn.gov/Bills/111/Bill/HB1264.pdf I don’t recommend anyone to get this new concealed-only permit. Open carry with this new… Read more »
Knowing what Republican’s help ‘water it down’ would be helpful.
WTF people?? IT SHOULD REQUIRE MORE TRAINING AND PROPER IDENTIFICATION, TO BE ABLE TO CONCEAL CARRY A FIREARM!! NOT THE OTHER WAY AROUND……HELLO, BIG RED FIRETRUCK!! 1st of all, we all have the right, as American citizens, to openly carry a legal firearm. That right is givin and protected by the CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES, which under the Supremacy Clause Article VI, Clause 2 ……… “This Constitution, and the Laws of the United States which shall be made in Pursuance thereof; and all Treaties made, or which shall be made, under the Authority of the United States, shall be… Read more »
So if I have a C.C.W. now I will be able to open carry after the 1st of next year. And the new C.C.W. will not correct. And how will law enforcement be able to tell which C.C.W. one has.
So I’m already confused is my permit I got 3 years ago still going to remain the same on renewal or do I have to take another class or is this new law just give you a choice for concealed or open carry????