Manasquan, NJ –-(Ammoland.com)- Nearly every mass shooting incident in the last twenty years, and multiple other instances of suicide and isolated shootings all share one thing in common, and it’s not the weapons used.
The overwhelming evidence points to the signal largest common factor in all of these incidents is the fact that all of the perpetrators were either actively taking powerful psychotropic drugs or had been at some point in the immediate past before they committed their crimes.
Multiple credible scientific studies going back more than a decade, as well as internal documents from certain pharmaceutical companies that suppressed the information, show that SSRI drugs ( Selective Serotonin Re-Uptake Inhibitors ) have well known, but unreported side effects, including but not limited to suicide and other violent behavior. One need only Google relevant keywords or phrases to see for themselves. www.ssristories.com is one popular site that has documented over 4500 “ Mainstream Media “ reported cases from around the World of aberrant or violent behavior by those taking these powerful drugs.
The following is a list of mass shooting perpetrators and the drugs they were taking or had been taking shortly before their horrific actions.
The list was compiled and published to Facebook by John Noveske, founder and owner of Noveske Rifleworks just days before he was mysteriously killed in a single-car accident. Is there a link between Noveske’s death and his “outing” of information numerous disparate parties would prefer to suppress, for a variety of reasons?
I leave that to the individual readers to decide. But there is most certainly a documented history of people who “knew to much” or were considered a “threat” dying under extraordinarily suspicious circumstances.
From Katherine Smith, a Tennessee DMV worker who was somehow involved in helping several 9/11 hijackers in obtaining Tennessee Drivers Licenses, and was later found burned to death in her car. To Pulitzer Prize-winning journalist Gary Webb, who exposed a CIA Operation in the 80’s that resulted in the flooding of LA Streets with crack cocaine and was later found dead from two gunshot wounds to the head, but was officially ruled as a “suicide“, to Frank Olson, a senior research microbiologist who was working on the CIA’s mind-control research program MKULTRA.
After Olson expressed his desire to leave the program, he was with a CIA agent in a New York hotel room and is alleged to have committed “suicide” by throwing himself off the tenth-floor balcony.
In 1994, Olson’s sons were successful in their efforts to have their fathers body exhumed and re-examined in a second autopsy by James Starrs, Professor of Law and Forensic science at the National Law Center at George Washington University. Starr’s team concluded that the blunt force trauma to the head and injury to the chest had not occurred during the fall but most likely in the room before the fall.
The evidence was called “rankly and starkly suggestive of homicide.” Based on his findings, in 1996, the Manhattan District Attorney opened a homicide investigation into Olson’s death but was unable to find enough evidence to bring charges.
As I said, I leave it to the individual readers to make up their own minds if Noveske suffered a similar fate.
On to the list of mass shooters and the stark link to psychotropic drugs.
- Eric Harris age 17 (first on Zoloft then Luvox) and Dylan Klebold aged 18 (Columbine school shooting in Littleton, Colorado), killed 12 students and one teacher and wounded 23 others, before killing themselves. Klebold’s medical records have never been made available to the public.
- Jeff Weise, age 16, had been prescribed 60 mg/day of Prozac (three times the average starting dose for adults!) when he shot his grandfather, his grandfather’s girlfriend and many fellow students at Red Lake, Minnesota. He then shot himself. Ten dead, 12 wounded.
- Cory Baadsgaard, age 16, Wahluke (Washington state) High School, was on Paxil (which caused him to have hallucinations) when he took a rifle to his high school and held 23 classmates hostage. He has no memory of the event.
- Chris Fetters, age 13, killed his favorite aunt while taking Prozac.
- Christopher Pittman, age 12, murdered both his grandparents while taking Zoloft.
- Mathew Miller, age 13, hung himself in his bedroom closet after taking Zoloft for six days.
- Kip Kinkel, age 15, (on Prozac and Ritalin) shot his parents while they slept then went to school and opened fire, killing two classmates and injuring 22 shortly after beginning Prozac treatment.
- Luke Woodham, age 16 (Prozac) killed his mother and then killed two students, wounding six others.
- A boy in Pocatello, ID (Zoloft) in 1998 had a Zoloft-induced seizure that caused an armed standoff at his school.
- Michael Carneal (Ritalin), age 14, opened fire on students at a high school prayer meeting in West Paducah, Kentucky. Three teenagers were killed, five others were wounded.
- A young man in Huntsville, Alabama (Ritalin) went psychotic chopping up his parents with an ax and also killing one sibling and almost murdering another.
- Andrew Golden, age 11, (Ritalin) and Mitchell Johnson, aged 14, (Ritalin) shot 15 people, killing four students, one teacher, and wounding ten others.
- TJ Solomon, age 15, (Ritalin) high school student in Conyers, Georgia opened fire on and wounded six of his classmates.
- Rod Mathews, age 14, (Ritalin) beat a classmate to death with a bat.
- James Wilson, age 19, (various psychiatric drugs) from Breenwood, South Carolina, took a .22 caliber revolver into an elementary school killing two young girls and wounding seven other children and two teachers.
- Elizabeth Bush, age 13, (Paxil) was responsible for a school shooting in Pennsylvania
- Jason Hoffman (Effexor and Celexa) – school shooting in El Cajon, California
- Jarred Viktor, age 15, (Paxil), after five days on Paxil he stabbed his grandmother 61 times.
- Chris Shanahan, age 15 (Paxil) in Rigby, ID who out of the blue killed a woman.
- Jeff Franklin (Prozac and Ritalin), Huntsville, AL, killed his parents as they came home from work using a sledgehammer, hatchet, butcher knife, and mechanic’s file, then attacked his younger brothers and sister.
- Neal Furrow (Prozac) in LA Jewish school shooting reported having been court-ordered to be on Prozac along with several other medications.
- Kevin Rider, age 14, was withdrawing from Prozac when he died from a gunshot wound to his head. Initially, it was ruled a suicide, but two years later, the investigation into his death was opened as a possible homicide. The prime suspect, also age 14, had been taking Zoloft and other SSRI antidepressants.
- Alex Kim, age 13, hung himself shortly after his Lexapro prescription had been doubled.
- Diane Routhier was prescribed Welbutrin for gallstone problems. Six days later, after suffering many adverse effects of the drug, she shot herself.
- Billy Willkomm, an accomplished wrestler and a University of Florida student, was prescribed Prozac at the age of 17. His family found him dead of suicide – hanging from a tall ladder at the family’s Gulf Shore Boulevard home in July 2002.
- Kara Jaye Anne Fuller-Otter, age 12, was on Paxil when she hung herself from a hook in her closet. Kara’s parents said “…. the damn doctor wouldn’t take her off it and I asked him to when we went in on the second visit. I told him I thought she was having some sort of reaction to Paxil…”)
- Gareth Christian, Vancouver, age 18, was on Paxil when he committed suicide in 2002,
- (Gareth’s father could not accept his son’s death and killed himself.)
- Julie Woodward, age 17, was on Zoloft when she hung herself in her family’s detached garage.
- Matthew Miller was 13 when he saw a psychiatrist because he was having difficulty at school. The psychiatrist gave him samples of Zoloft. Seven days later his mother found him dead, hanging by a belt from a laundry hook in his closet.
- Kurt Danysh, age 18, and on Prozac, killed his father with a shotgun. He is now behind prison bars, and writes letters, trying to warn the world that SSRI drugs can kill.
- Woody ____, age 37, committed suicide while in his 5th week of taking Zoloft. Shortly before his death, his physician suggested doubling the dose of the drug. He had seen his physician only for insomnia. He had never been depressed, nor did he have any history of any mental illness symptoms.
- A boy from Houston, age 10, shot and killed his father after his Prozac dosage was increased.
- Hammad Memon, age 15, shot and killed a fellow middle school student. He had been diagnosed with ADHD and depression and was taking Zoloft and “other drugs for the conditions.”
- Matti Saari, a 22-year-old culinary student, shot and killed nine students and a teacher, and wounded another student, before killing himself. Saari was taking an SSRI and a benzodiazapine.
- Steven Kazmierczak, age 27, shot and killed five people and wounded 21 others before killing himself in a Northern Illinois University auditorium. According to his girlfriend, he had recently been taking Prozac, Xanax, and Ambien. Toxicology results showed that he still had trace amounts of Xanax in his system.
- Finnish gunman Pekka-Eric Auvinen, age 18, had been taking antidepressants before he killed eight people and wounded a dozen more at Jokela High School – then he committed suicide.
- Asa Coon from Cleveland, age 14, shot and wounded four before taking his own life. Court records show Coon was on Trazodone.
- Jon Romano, age 16, on medication for depression, fired a shotgun at a teacher in his New York high school.
Missing from list… 3 of 4 known to have taken these same meds…
- What drugs was Jared Lee Loughner on, age 21…… killed six people and injuring 14 others in Tuscon, Az
- What drugs was James Eagan Holmes on, age 24….. killed 12 people and injuring 59 others in Aurora Colorado
- What drugs was Jacob Tyler Roberts on, age 22, killed two injured 1, Clackamas Or
- What drugs was Adam Peter Lanza on, age 20, Killed 26 and wounded 2 in Newtown Ct
Those focusing on further firearms bans or magazine restrictions are focusing on the wrong issue and asking the wrong questions, either as a deliberate attempt to hide these links or out of complete and utter ignorance.
Don’t let them! Force our elected “representatives” and the biased media to cast a harsh spotlight on the issue of mental illness drugs. Don’t stop hounding them until they do. As the antis say, “even if it saves just one life,” it is worth doing.
More articles, commentary, and information by D. Roberts available at That Every Man Be Armed.com
I think everyone has valid opinions. However, I think it’s easier to place blame elsewhere than to accept fault. There is an increase in mass shootings because parents don’t want to parent. So the minute they dont want to deal with their child, pharmaceutical companies and doctors have made it easier to medicate. Taking gun rights away wont solve anything. And I’m sorry but saying Guns kill people is like saying #2 pencils fail test. Its absolutely ridiculous. Saying it’s the medications isnt right either. I was told to take SSRI’s and when they wrote the perscription they made it… Read more »
DR. BROWN: “…in our discussion. But think about this. If, if you are in a rough-and-tumble situation, somebody hits you too hard, you know what that feels like. So you’re not going to hit, in general, hit somebody else too hard, because you know what it feels like. And that’s the roots, for example, of an empathic response. And the thing that — none of the murderers I studied engaged in normal rough-and-tumble play. Absolutely none.” we learn empathy, trust, irony, and problem solving through play — something the dictionary defines as “pleasurable and apparently purposeless activity.” Dr. Stuart Brown… Read more »
I can remember when I was in high school those of us who was sportsman had our guns in our gun racks in the back window of our trucks, Buck knives on our hips and not one, I repeat not one school shootings back in those days. It’s all in how you are brought up and your teaching at home. God, Family, Country and Community.
ADAM LANZA & JAMES HOLMES BOTH HAD TIES TO THE SAME PSYCHIATRIST! BOTH OF THEIR DADS (THOUGH IN DIFFERENT STATES) WERE EACH INVOLVED IN THE SAME LYBORE SCANDAL, BOTH DADS WERE SET TO TESTIFY BEFORE CONGRESS BEFORE THE HOLMES SHOOTING FOR BEING INVOLVED W/ RIGGING THE INTERNATIONAL INTEREST RATES DURING 2008 FINANCIAL COLLAPSE! Peter Lanza VP & tax director @ GE Financial. Robert Holmes lead scientists for credit score company FICO. Both set to testify in very same case. It’s all the same network.
WAKE UP SHEEPLE
Connor Betts (Dayton, OH shooter) his dad owned a tech company who received 325 MILLION $ contact from NSA. His mom owned tech company with 27 Million dollar revenue per year but media states she’s a “manager @ a bath & body works”. A company that just happens to be owned by Les Wexner who was by “coincidence “ born in Dayton Ohio- wake up sheeple – same network
‘First’ it was Gilroy, Cal. Garlic Festival 7/28/19 ( 4 dead, 12 injured ) then, El Paso mass shooting 8/3/19 ( 20 dead 2 dozen injured ) & now Dayton Ohio on 8/4/19 ( 9 dead, 26 injured ) …. FACTS,… RAW Facts : Something like 90% or more of mass shooters in the last couple of decades are one of two things 1) they are found to have been some sort of social outcasts, and on mind altering psychotropic drugs 2) they are very often radicals from ‘the Democratic side of the aisle’ and are never “an NRA member”… Read more »
Patrick Crusius’ dad is a counselor @ mental health facility with ties to MK Ultra… just sayin…
Wow, this is a terrible article and very mis-leading:
– title claims that “all mass shooters” have one thing in common
– article itself at least says, “most”, nbut then,
– the data are not related only to “mass shootings”; the so-called list
– includes shootings with just a single victim
– includes murder by other weapons
Actually, I did notice one thing they all have in commons: they’re guys. Now, I’m a guy, so I don’t want to stereotype or shame guys, but… what’s going on?
well NONE, you did not read the info very well, there are several females listed in the stats. agreed that there is really no way to be certain, but there is a valid point to this article especially when you couple these type drugs to the need of youngsters to constantly validate themselves with social media, selfies, telling everyone that will listen to them just how wonderful they are, very shallow. if this was researched I do think there is a correlation to all of this. look at the timelines for the increase in attacks and senseless killings compared to… Read more »
Some of you think that there’s no link between anti-depressants and school shootings; to those people, I ask, where were all the school shootings before anti-depressants were being prescribed wholesale to school children?
So no links to the statements of the doctors saying they prescribed these drugs to said shooters? Oh right, wouldnt happen since HIPPA would cause them their licenses… Or how about links to their PARENTS saying they were taking these. Funny how I see none of this, otherwise, its a FUCKING BLOG WITH NO EVIDENCE TO BACK UP ITS CLAIMS! LOL
How bout maybe big pharma. This is true cuz i have lived it. So fuck off who knows NADA. Margaret
HIPAA only “matters” and applies to some patients, not to all. Patient privacy, it seems, only matters when the GOVERNMENT desires it. Having to explain that to you ensures me you have, but only one agenda and that is to undermine our right to protect ourselves. It also would appear you have a lust for allowing the practice to continue, which is as disturbing as what us happening.
In those days schools had shooting ranges. They were not Gun-free zones.
Classic correlation vs causation confusion.
Is it that – mentally unstable people tend to take SSRI’s, and the same mentally unstable people tend to go bananas and shoot people?
THis article waste 3 pages to show that mass shooters and SSRI takers can be correlated. To show the causation, you have to show that same normal perspms suddenly becoming mass shooters having taken SSRI. Politics aside, this is a basic logical fallacy.
simple question………..have you seen the TV ads for some drugs in this class?………….. in the fast talk toward the end of the ad, they tell you the side effects…………….. ever listen to them?
better yet, have you or anyone you know used any of the drugs listed? they have been prescribed in my family. not good results with family members.
research. with an open and non-biased mind
It looks like enough of a connection to me to at least look into. If violence is a potential side effect why is anyone on them. I am sure they have helped many people but when people are dying we need to look at everything. Not just harsher gun laws.
I’m amazed, although I shouldn’t be by now, at the lack of any knowledge of HOW SSRIs, SNRIs…, actually function in the adult body! Do some research, and learn! I do know, and they only assist the receptors, in the synaptic gaps between neurons, in functioning more correctly. They help prevent the neurons that release neurotransmitters, such as serotonin, norepinephrine, dopamine…, from the reuptake of what they have just released! For the neurotransmitters to perform their necessary physiological functions, they must cross the synaptic gaps, and be uptaken by the receptors on the other side. Some people have neuroreceptors that… Read more »
Well said, my friend! Some people can’t critically think on their own (David Hogg, for example) who haven’t had the life experiences to see what’s actually going on here. A lot changed when they took God out of the classroom.
Some people, 10 to 15% of Caucasians, can not metabolize psychotropics. Speaking of reading & learning, why don’t you trot over to your medicine chest & read your insert, where it shows on almost all psych drugs that dosages must be greatly reduced or serious adverse events, including suicide or homicide will result.
@AnySMITH. Where in Sam Hill did you get THAT stat about Caucasians?? You couldn’t be more uninformed.
Actually I am very well informed, and like I said, it is a new boxed warning on the inserts, so all you have to do is unfold the insert & read it. There is a test for this condition, and the test is completely reimbursable under Medicare & Medicaid. I am working to mandate the test in Colorado before prescribing psych drugs (and some others, like beta blockers). It could go a long long way to reducing or eliminating these tragic events without circumventing anyone’s civil or human rights. It is a new warning – ask your pharmacist to see… Read more »
I was a full-time teacher for 35 years. I had a number of students who were on Ritalin or similar drugs. Many of them complained that they felt funny after taking it—they didn’t like how they felt. Some even commented that they didn’t feel like themselves and did all they could to avoid taking the drug. Secondly, I was a high school basketball and had an assistant who had depression problems. He was on a drug to deal with it but at some point the prescription was affecting him in strange ways. One morning he killed himself. The night before,… Read more »
Nearly all the shooters were registered Democrats. Look this one up. Ban all democrats is the answer not GUNS. Lets see how Honest you Liberal smoochers are on this one
I don’t think we can even blame the drugs. What precipitated the use (need?) of these drugs for children in the first place? Why are there so many children on drugs? Behavioral problems are noticed first many times by teachers. And the reason usually is divorced parents, broken homes. I would bet a great majority of these kids are children of divorce which has the greatest negative impact on their lives.
-based psychiatrist David Healy has recently stated “we are giving drugs to children passing through critical development stages a conducting a vast experiment that we do not know what the outcome will be. We are drugging our children and reaping the results. When will we become responsible parents and first get our kids out of government schools and then let then be children. Stand up the the tyrannical thug government.
Big pharmaceutical companies pay MILLIONS if not BILLIONS to politicians, Dr’s and “others” to keep their POISONS flowing into society. And the SHEEPLE go right along with it, because if their Dr recommends it it MUST be “the answer.” They do not realize that their Dr’s are getting incentives to prescribe the poison, the FDA is being circumvented to get the poisons “legalized”, and then the “treatment” centers make MILLIONS when people are hooked & need help getting off the meds. And so long as the select few make their money they turn a blind eye to the truth.
When I initially read the header to this article “shooting shares one thing in common” I thought the answer was going to be “they have all been done by Democrats because there is a similar presentation circulating describing various shootings and how the shooter was connected to the Democratic Party.
There’s more links to ssri medications and violent behavior than there is between CO2 and global warming.
Good point … but there’s more money in global bs (or is it global cooling? – oh, wait warming, no …. never mind) than in drugging out children into oblivion…. unless you are big pharma.
At my editor’s request this will be my last comment on this matter, as much as I would like to say more, my job is to report, not engage in a debate. That being said,there are far more then only three incidents of “mass shootings” as defined by Anti Gun Groups and the FBI on the list contained in my column. Further, its notable, but not surprising in the least that you choose to lump in all people murdered by guns to arrive at your number of 140,000, without breaking down the fact that the vast majority of those murders… Read more »
I take serious issue with the lack of source citing, it invalidates this as authoritative and places it immediately in the opinion piece realm.
So now I’m wondering, if control activists want to hold firearms manufacturers liable for acts committed with items they produce, why not the same for big pharma? Surely I’m not the only one wondering about this.
Gun-Free Zones The Charleston Church was a gun-free Zone The Connecticut elementary school was a Gun-Free Zone. The Colorado Theater was a Gun-Free Zone. The “No Guns” signs deterred all, except the mass murderer (murderers?), from being armed. Fort Hood is still a gun-free zone. Virginia Tech was a Gun-Free Zone. The Texas Restaurant, where Suzanna Gratia-Hupp watched her parents and 21 others executed, while her gun sat, as required by law, in her car, was a gun-free zone. Hitler’s Germany, for all but government Nazis, was a gun-free zone. Stalin’s Union was a gun-free zone. So no one had… Read more »
When the dog bites
When the bee stings,
When I’m feeling bad,
I simply remember my favorite things,
and then I don’t need:
Zoloft, or Paxil, or Sarafem, or Lexapro;
Almost as helpful as is a placebo,
Celexa, Selective Serotonin Inhibitors,
that were the most common causal contributors,
In 95% of the mass shootings,
Of recent decades.
General Dope Far this by-product
Too many figures. Could you make a graph of some sort?
Multitudes of people in other nations are on many different anti-psychotic medications as well. The incidence of guns involved in soooo many deaths in our society probably disproves the idea that drugs are the problem.
New Zealand Shooter: Drugs
Norway Shooter: Drugs
France Shooter: Muslim and on Drugs
It is not just an America thing. USA is still the safest place in the world.
most countries around the world have removed most of the guns, however, they still have incidents with shootings, that is a fact. HOW? they removed the evil gun!…………… hmmmmm sometimes you just cant stop the lunatic, they will use knives, trucks, explosives, fire, acid, guns and you know it, it just doesn’t fit you talking points.
So . . . every mass shooting actually has two things in common?
And many, if not most, also show a clear and apparent history of warning signs and actions, to which parents and/or the community paid no attention!
It lists forty-five hundred cases. What about the millions of people these drugs have helped? One could argue that without the drugs, many more would commit such acts of violence or self-harm.
The name of the article is “Every Mass Shooting Shares One Thing In Common & It’s NOT Weapons” not the benefits of psychotropic drugs. The author did not say that psychotropic drugs caused the mass shooting. He is merely pointing our what the mas shooters have in common and raising the question of a possible link. There is something else that many of the shooters have in common as well. A lot of shooters come from single mother homes. Or in the case of Stephen Paddock, the Las Vegas shooter, his absentee father was either in jail or on the… Read more »
I think the predisposition, abusive family situation, breakdown of the family, absentee fathers who should be the spiritual family leader, He teaches the children godly principles such as respect, responsibility, kindness, compassion, and honesty. Alcohol and other illegal drugs or a combination of some of these are generators. Many times the child’s behavior is due to some of the above, which leaves a parent to decide that prescribed “drugs” will solve the problem. Where God is not present, evil moves in to fill the vacancy. Without hope, nothing else matters and there is no respect for self or others.
Agree. And high percentage of these people had issues that, even without the drugs, could have prompted their behavior.
You miss the “marginal impact” concept. Adding more guns to our society doesn’t make all gun owners go on a rampage — but it might affect some crazies on the margins. Ditto for psychotropic drugs. Taking them doesn’t affect the average person, but it might affect those on the margin.
The correlation is strong enough that I suggest any parent who wishes to use or place their child on these medication be required to surrender all firearms permanently.
WHAT!? permanently?………… see, that why folks disagree with gun control, you believe it will correct this problem over night, and it won’t. we have a social issue in this country, a disconnect, there are many reasons and actions to feed this social cancer for a lack of better term. it will not be legislated away, we have over 1800 laws pertaining to guns across our country, Chicago, strict gun laws, and they kill each other daily, do you even know how many were killed last year in Chicago?……this past weekend alone……….headline………”59 shot, 7 fatally in Chicago weekend shootings”. As of… Read more »
This focuses on school related shooters. There are a plethora of other shooting incidents relating to gun safety though. If EVERYONE that shoots is on drugs, then maybe we have an even bigger problem. Since we know that everyone shooting is not on drugs, maybe this deflection has it’s merits, but the problem still remains. You don’t leave a fire burning because the fire truck hasn’t arrived yet, you try and douse the flames immediately, before you have to call one. The shooting is still occurring and as long as the school’s are still without protection it will never end.… Read more »
What about the doctors and psychiatrists who prescribed these drugs? Who are they? Do they have any ties to intelligence or mind control programs? Why hasn’t anyone done an in depth survey of these people???
I actually believe that is the case to get us to give up our guns. I had classified clearance in my years in the service and believe me, it’s not at all impossible nor untrue
All you have to do is read “Behold a Pale Horse” he spilled all the govt secrets to include experimenting with OUR Children…
Since columbine there have been 27 plus school shootings in the United States where students shoot students this only happens in the United States. Only in the United States are young boys being drugged by our government and our school system because they don’t act like girls. These little bottles of psycho tropic calmness and happiness , have small print that says may cause thoughts of suicide. suicide is the wrong word it’s homicide. Big Pharm. knows all about this so, they keep updating the drug, different drug different name. The psycho tropic drug Ridlen gave us Columbine. Our children… Read more »
You can’t blame big pharma on this one. Check the prescribing information (PI). All those SSRIs and other and antidepressants have a minimum age to prescribe as 18. No, you cannot blame big pharma on this one – you need to look at the AMA. Many doctors think they’re God and think they can fix anything. Many times they go off label in order to “see” if something will work as they’ve tried everything else. It’s easy to blame big pharma as the manufacturer of Th these drugs. It’s like blaming the NRA which is also totally ridiculous. Think before… Read more »
pharma benefits docs who prescribe their drugs…
Not anymore! There are tight nooses around pharma to not promote outside the guidelines. They who do, do so at their own peril and loss of much more profit than what they would get from a handful of prescribers.
Exactly! Doctors receive financial “kickbacks” for prescribing many of the propolactics. Seriously unethical conflict of interest.
The MDs get free seminars in Hawaii, the Bahamas, various Pacific Island resorts and other exotic places from big pharma, too.
Robert Garcia..I absolutely agree with you. Astutely put. We have become a Nation under Drugs..we are growing so dependant on whatever the pharmaceuticals vias vie, the psychiatrists who decide these labels with drugs to match…decide so by a Show of Hands! Nothing ” scientific” about these ” disorders”, including ADHD…and the massively misdiagnosed..” Autism”, all if which comes with Schedule 11 ..highly addictive drugs! For what. Because the jud didn’t raise his or her hand!! Has too much energy?!! Didn’t turn in their home work on time…makes mistakes! Well…gee..who doesn’t! Teachers point these senseless fingers at kids..because they..and some parents…don’t… Read more »
What I would like to know is how long was each of these drugs studied before being approved by the fda,and what was the finding by these drugs companies which I wouldn’t trust. Because they put profit before lives ,it’s worth the financial payout in class action suites in the end .
Sadly, these tragedies go back to the physicians, not big pharma. There are enormous guidelines in testing and promoting SSRIs and other antidepressants to clinicians, but they don’t always take our advice. Sometimetime physicians will prescribe “off label” which is giving a drug where it is obviously contraindicated. In this case, most of these kids are under 18. None of these drugs are indicated for children under 18. Do a little homework. The AMA lobby is a lot bigger than big pharma and the NRA, combined.
A minimum of 10-15 years. That’s for the original compound when the drug first came to market. I can’t speak for generics. They don’t have to study the drug, just copy it.
Ok I do not wish to upset anybody. I have been in those shoes. The term suicidal by cop was even in my mind before the term became known. No I did not kill anybody but the urge to hurt self and others (mostly wishing lots of death to occur) around me was beyond awful. In 2015 as I was sitting at another mental health apt the counselor said “we must not be dealing with something from your youth. After 27 years in that mental health detaining field I said to myself “this doe snot make sense” I am following… Read more »
I think this demonstrates there are causes which have nothing to do with medication, gun access, or socio-economic influences.
Interesting comments for the most part. Mental health is like any other industry. There are books which claim it’s all a bunch of B.S., such as Thomas Zaaz The Myth of Mental Illness to the many that claim we are all insane in our own particular way. One thing I do know is that most of the recent “mass shootings”(and don’t be like the media and give a totally bogus number right after a tragedy without doing due diligence) should have been stopped by information that SHOULD have been in our vaunted so-called DATABASE but didn’t get there somehow. Do… Read more »
I have seen what these phycotropic drugs do to people. An individual becomes addicted to them and when they miss two or three days due to cost they begin to have meltdowns. Instead of people coping with their problems today society and physicians say lets medicate them. Guns have not changed for several decades and yet drugs have, makes you wonder what is the real culprit here.
Drugs are one spoke in the wheel. Dangerous weapons readily accessible is another. Fatherless households is another. It seems obvious that all the issues need to be addressed. But the fatherlessness didn’t kill the victims, the drugs taken neither. The bullets did.
So we should take cars off the road because drunks kill people with them?
No, but they should be registered and regulated and not have dangerous people driving them. Nothing is fool proof but that doesn’t mean you don’t stop trying.
So..cars and trucks are regulated, registered, drivers are tested and issued licenses and still…people die from drunks and reckless drivers. So guess that was a success, How about we look at the social reasons for most murders…lack of conscience. moral upbringing. sense of right and wrong. intact family structure. Heterosexual family structure Discipline taught in the home. Self control taught in the home. Personal responsibility taught in the home. When a few of these are missing, the risk increases that when things get really hard to deal with, someone will strike out in violence out of frustration, anger, or mental… Read more »
Because we all know what happens if we look at where that lack of conscience and where it leads back to, or more importantly “Who”. That’s why they wont let that be the subject of purview.
No the bullets didnt, the shooter did. Bullets have to have a shooter to do the killing.
Doctors put kids on what they call drug “cocktails” a mix of medications for some disorders. Some of these medications are stated by the manufacturers not to be used by children. They are prescribed anyway. The brain is growing until age twelve I believe. Maybe some scrutiny needs to be applied to looking into medication practices?
Doctors put kids on what they call drug “cocktails” a mix of medications for some disorders. This is common practice. Some of these medications are stated by the manufacturers not to be used by children. They are prescribed anyway. The brain is growing until age twelve I believe. Maybe some scrutiny needs to be applied to looking into medication practices?
Actually the human brain is not fully developed until around age 25.
Meanwhile high school aged kids are being organized to publicly lambast politicians (primarily Republican) for inaction. The one fact these kids overlook is school shooters are of and from their generation. Does anybody put the blame where it belongs?
Yet not all people who take these drugs for mental health disorders create MASS SHOOTINGS.
The link between mass shootings and psychotropic drugs is not nearly as strong as the author wants it to appear. Take his list of “mass shootings.” It’s an impressively long list – there around 45-50 bullet points there. But as you read down the list you’ll see that most of the listed events aren’t mass shootings at all. Many of them involve suicide attempts and attacks on family members. Since 1999, we’ve had 121 mass shootings in the United States. His list includes just 13 of them. Not very strong evidence of causation.
I have compiled a list of 80 shooters that were all on psychotropic pharmaceuticals. Some were using several different types.
False Flag be careful not to go to Alex Jones territory.
“To Pulitzer Prize winning journalist Gary Webb, who exposed a CIA Operation in the 80’s that resulted in the flooding of LA Streets with crack cocaine and was later found dead from two gunshot wounds to the head.”
Did the Russians write this to discredit gun owners???
Just because the medications were prescribed does not mean that the drugs were TAKEN correctly. Compliance is a huge issue with psychotropic medications. Even in a controlled inpatient situation, Many checks are done to be sure the patient is actually taking the medications and not tucking them in between their check and their gums or somewhere else..The only sure way to know that the medication is being taken is to give it IM or IV and that is not feasible in any situation. And taking the medications erratically or doubling when a dose is missed can cause a rise in… Read more »
Legalized bribery, The American way
Actually the NRA only spends about 10 million a year on all political activity. A paltry sum when compared to organizations like the Teachers unions.
And the single biggest-spending lobbying group in DC is the pharmaceutical companies. Who get about a 10,000% return on every lobbying dollar spent
WRONG. You would think so because you’re uninformed, but Planned Patenthood and the teachers unions cough up the most cash when it comes to making policy. Big pharma had the clamps put down on them some 15 years ago. Big pharma did not cause this boy to pull the trigger. Read any PI (prescribing insert) for any of these drugs and you’ll see the are indicated for 18 years and older. You’ll have to tackle the AMA (Mexican Medical Association) lobby on this one.
It would be interesting to see a study done on all of the named above to see what, if any religious practice they had. My sense is an absence of God in one’s life can easily lead to feelings of hopelessness and despair, especially in our world today.
Jan, you need to realize that these people are not sane. Morals, reason logic, and empathy are not a part of their world. They have no meaning because their minds and not functioning like a normal persons.
It would be interesting to see a study done on all of the named above to see what, if any religious practice they had. My sense is an absence of God in one’s life can easily lead to feelings of hopelessness and despair, especially in our world today.
It used to be that the mentally ill were institutionalized, given a treatment plan, then observed as to how that plan worked on them. If it didn’t, then another plan was developed and the patient was monitored closely. Then when they were stabilized, they were slowly reintroduced back into society. Our current system of out-patient mental health care is a farce.
You are right. In the state of California in 1995 several of the state hospitals for the mentally ill were closed down. Only the most severe were transferred to institutions that could house them. The others were released into the public with very little monitoring. California has a very high homeless population, a large number of them have mental illness to some degree. The state hospitals for the mentally ill need to be reopened so the mentally ill can be taken care of since most of them can’t take care of themselves. Give them a home, a safe place to… Read more »
Joy to all
Eat wiser..Yu be happeeee
Ther’s an issue with this that may be a huge problem that is yet unforseen amongst Congress. If they start delving into the use of psychotropic or antidepressants by gun owners and decide “Hey we can’t have this. We’re gonna have to take their firearms since their on these medications for safety.” What are they going to do about law enforcement officers that are on those same medications? I know SEVERAL of them that are on them. I don’t think citizens are gonna be to happy to have their rights taken away while others get a slide…..
@Darrell Smith, The pivot point in your hypothetical is the words, “We’re gonna have to take their firearms…”
Great! Another Bull Shit article blaming medicine on Mass Killings.
The Gov’t Agency Heads (FBI, DOJ, State Dept.), MSM and the US Congress are on D R U G S & SSRIs. They should be tested and then summarily fired. Starting with Feinstien and Pelosi then ending with Reid and Ryan. @DS; @WB and @Buttermaker: Pivoting is my buttocks with a ‘runny-one’ in their liberal BS traitorous mouths and the Rinos too including those in Florida. We’ve known since Columbine that US schools needs no less than ‘TWO ARMED Guardians’ and/or teacher/staff, brave and trained in schools especially in the ALL Blue “No Gun Zones” Near the main entrances and… Read more »
Obviously this is a biased article. There is a drug problem and there is a gun problem and something has to be done.
Chris, there is a drug problem, but in this case it is perpetrated by the pharmaceutical companies and the psychiatrists. There isn’t any more of a gun problem than there is a car problem, or a doctor problem, or a hammer problem, or a trampoline problem. If you confiscate guns from law abiding citizens, you only create additional defenseless citizens, which will embolden the criminals. Guns are being manufactured on the black market in South America on a consistent basis. Do you think you could stop those illegal guns from being smuggled here anymore than they have stopped the illegal… Read more »
Amen and amen!!
I used Prozac for over 20. I am a gun owner. I have never killed or pointed a gun at anyone.
@Nani, No one is pointing a finger at you.
There is a problem killing our young people IT IS NOT GUNS.
IT IS DEPRESSION! the sooner we realize that drugs are not the answer to depression the sooner we can find a cure. The whole gun control debate is a distraction from the real problem of suicide killing our kids. These shootings were not for thrills but for suicide.
The cure is really quite simple…JESUS. Whether or not certain people want to admit or believe it doesn’t matter. It’s the truth.
Fuck you, using a tragedy to try and push your false hope and bullshit religion. If you love God so much, why don’t you kill yourself and join him?
I’ hope that immature little outburst made you feel better.
You will probably be up for homicide charges at some time in your miserable life with that attitude.
God is real…..he won’t suck anything, and you will find out that when you die there is a place for people like you.
You do not cease to exist when your flesh and blood stops working. You will see that when you are burning in anguish and you look across the abyss and you are no longer experiencing the grace and mercy of God….at that time it will be too late.
Jesus is the answer for sure.
@Dana, I concur, but there is no profit in that. No pun intended. And McCollum v. Board of Ed. must be repealed. That is the case where Hugo Black, a Catholic hater, fooled the public into thinking that the Constitution requires government and religion to be separate. The First Amendment does not say separation of Church. and State; does not mean separation of Church and State, but, in fact, has always meant the opposite.
So, are you saying, that if every child is forced to worship your god in school, school shootings will miraculously drop/stop? And if the separation of church & state is actually untrue, why do most states follow it so well? Are you just smarter than most school districts, or are you just someone desperately trying to push your ideals onto the nation of youth?
The drug companies are owned by Episcopalian families dating to Colonial times, when it was called the Church of England. In 1770 due to growing hostility with England, they altered their name to Episcopal Church. Then in the 1800s the British opium “trade” in China peaked with 45 million addicts, all required to pay in silver. That’s how England “recovered” so much silver “lost” by England and Europe to China for centuries over the “Silk Route.” Now so much seed capital from the opium business was used to found or buy into Pharma interests owned by The Pilgrims Society, which… Read more »
I glad to see that most people commenting that most of the killers in this list were young. I was put on SSRI’s in high school for depression, but I wasn’t actually depressed. I didn’t understand my emotions at that age, but I (just like the people who committed these crimes) felt that I should seek help for whatever they were. I took this medication and that medication, none of which made me feel any better and so I stopped trying to medicate and did more intense talk therapy to really work out what it was I was feeling- and… Read more »
Your experience demonstrates how common it is to take shortcuts in diagnosis. Also, that self reporting is important. The system should be getting better with drug discoveries and behavioral analyses but it seems to be getting worse because of budget. I know this is unrelated, but my wife was first misdiagnosed with asthma and given an inhaler. Then COPD and made to think it was her fault for weight gain. Then lumps were misdiagnosed as breast cancer which propelled her into a depressive downward spiral. Turned out it was sarcoidosis and the previous treatments had nothing to benefit. If we… Read more »
Thank you for showing the common denominator. Snowflake Weenies will also point to “mental illness” as the common denominator.
But we have had the mentally disturbed since the begging of time. That has not changed. What HAS changed is the “cure.”
Not until 50-60 years ago, drug treatments nudged out every other form of treatment. Drugs is what changed.
Good for you for noticing it and proclaiming it!
I’m so glad you said it, the drugs have changed big time, I could tell you for sure that Zoloft is not the same as it was 14yrs ago, when it first came out it was a miracle drug, then when it became generlc it worked so different for me and alot of other people I’ve talk to, pharmaceuticals are Devils in my eyes….