Grandma Got Run Over by Obama: SSA Finalizes New Gun Rule

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USA -(Ammoland.com)- On Monday, Barack Obama’s Social Security Administration (SSA) issued the final version of a rule that will doom tens of thousands of law-abiding (and vulnerable) disability insurance and Supplemental Security Income (SSI) recipients to a loss of Second Amendment rights under the guise of re-characterizing them as “mental defectives.”

The SSA, for the first time in its history, will be coopted into the federal government’s gun control apparatus, effectively requiring Social Security applicants to weigh their need for benefits against their fundamental rights when applying for assistance based on mental health problems.

Barack Obama’s political party and the presidential candidate he personally endorsed and campaigned for suffered perhaps the most dramatic rebuke in the history of American politics with the election of Donald J. Trump.

Far from being humbled or chastened, however, Obama is spending the waning days of his presidency releasing duly convicted felons from prison, making low-level appointments, and pushing pet policy projects, all to do something, anything, to leave his stamp after a lackluster tenure.

The Social Security rule is the final version of a proposal that we reported on earlier this year. Public outcry against the proposed rule was fierce, and the comment period drew over 91,000 responses, the vast majority of them opposing the plan.

The NRA itself submitted detailed comments, taking the proposed rule to task for its many legal problems, its lack of empirical support, and the way it would politicize the SSA’s functions and stigmatize its beneficiaries.

The SSA, however, essentially ignored the NRA’s comments and the tens of thousands of others pointing out problems with the plan and issued a final rule that in most key respects tracks the original proposal.

For example, the SSA did not attempt to answer most of the legal questions raised about its authority, instead deferring to an overbroad and problematic ATF regulation defining who counts under the federal Gun Control Act as a “mental defective” and to Department of Justice guidance on reporting.

The SSA did not explain why, some two decades after the federal background check system came online, it was reversing its earlier determination about its reporting responsibilities and only now asserting a mandate to do so.

Incredibly, the SSA also brushed aside empirical evidence the NRA submitted suggesting that the proposed rule would have no public safety benefit. “We are not attempting to imply a connection between mental illness and a propensity for violence, particularly gun violence,” the SSA wrote. “Rather, we are complying with our obligations under the NIAA, which require us to provide information from our records when an individual falls within one of the categories identified in 18 U.S.C. 922(g).”

This would seem to be the very definition of the sort of arbitrary and capricious rule making prohibited by the Administrative Procedures Act.

The SSA also insisted that it was not stigmatizing those who receive disability insurance or SSI for mental health conditions, arguing that the names of the beneficiaries reported to NICS would not be made public.

What the administration ignores is that it would stigmatize the entire category of beneficiaries subject to reporting.

The administration further acknowledges that the rule would not provide those subject to its terms the ability to defend their suitability to possess firearms before the actual loss of rights took place.

In other words, it offers no due process on the question of losing Second Amendment rights.

Instead, the rule forces affected beneficiaries to file a petition for “restoration” of rights and to somehow prove their possession of firearms would not harm public safety or the public interest, even though the government never established, or tried to establish, the contrary.

Regarding the expense of the psychological and medical evaluations required for this purpose, the administration claims it should be “reasonable,” although it does not and cannot claim it will actually be affordable to those who are affected by the rule.

The major parameters of the final rule are the same as those we detailed in an earlier alert on the proposal. It will affect those who receive SSI or disability insurance because of a listed mental health impairment and who have been assigned a representative payee to manage the benefits because of the person’s mental condition.

The bottom line, however, is that tens of thousands of completely harmless, law-abiding people will lose their rights every year under the rule, a premise the SSA did not even try to refute.

The NRA has already prepared proposals for corrective action, and we certainly hope they will be given favorable consideration by the incoming administration.

In the meantime, this is one more reminder of the petty, partisan politics of Barack Obama, and one more reason to be thankful that in a few short weeks, he will no longer wield the power of the presidency against the nation’s law-abiding gun owners.

 

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jack
jack
3 years ago

24 days folks, 24 days….We can hold on for 24 days…Then his ilk is gone and things can be returned to somewhat normal once again. relax, settle down everyone..!

Wild Bill
Wild Bill
3 years ago
Reply to  jack

, Not quite. Soros is paying Barry Soetoro to stay in DC, and head a group of select people to oppose Trump’s every appointment and move. Hundreds of millions of dollars are rumored to have been set aside to pay people to engage in “civil disobedience” in the streets. Look for more trolls to harass and attempt to intimidate us, here.

james
james
3 years ago

The World Famous JV POTUS, BHO will have a one word legacy….FAILURE.

The man has just pardoned one career criminal who murdered a woman and her two daughters,
to keep them from testifying in court to the murder of their mother.

Just goes to show you can be a Constitutional Lawyer / Community Organizer and still know squat.

Herb
Herb
3 years ago

he’s not African .

Wayne Clark
Wayne Clark
3 years ago

Where to start? I COULD waste time complaining about all the grammar, spelling, punctuation, capitalization & all that crap…or, try to argue with the liberals that are here, for no other reason but to stir the pot…or, address the point of subject, which is, another attempt to illegitimatly restrict or remove a citizen’s right without due process. The SSA, is overstepping their authority as to what legitimizes someone being “mentally defective” to the point of being a danger with ownership of a firearm. Although, I DO understand the concern of allowing the arming someone who could be an actual threat… Read more »

Herb
Herb
3 years ago

some ass brings Jesus in on this one . People SSI will be no more . It’s a trick to take guns from more people . Get your heads out of your ass and see the light . Were all going to loose our rights to defend ourselves . This should open your eyes too Rose .

Ron
Ron
3 years ago

You people [email protected]#$ing nuts if you look at the big picture here we finally got a true President a bona fide successful business man not some attorney/politician that has wall street ties and serve the banksters,hopefully a President that will actually abide by the constitution not abolish it.we gotten way off track and government has usurped powers it was never granted by WE THE PEOPLE. We need to get back to the basics and do some serious house cleaning.i hope Trump is the guy that can and will pull it off.This use to be a truly great country but presidents… Read more »

Jonathan McCoy
Jonathan McCoy
3 years ago

People who have mental disabilities should have the same right to have the right to bear arms, and be allowed to defend themselves and their property without the fear of having
No way of defending themselves

Felicia
Felicia
3 years ago

Everyone loves to blame Obama I guess that’s why we can’t get a head in this world. Use common sense it all started with the president bush and it takes a African American president to straighten all of this out. They needed to past a new law were president can run three terms.

Todd
Todd
3 years ago
Reply to  Felicia

Maybe the reason you cannot get ahead in this world is because you need to learn how to use the English language. No one here cares the color of Obama’s skin. What everyone is so upset about is Obama thinking that he doesn’t have to follow the rules that our founding fathers put into place to protect this great country, and pass laws without going through House of Representatives and The Senate. What he has done in the past 8 years is mock our democracy for his ideological communistic views, and anyone who cannot see that don’t let door hit… Read more »

BLG
BLG
3 years ago
Reply to  Felicia

Perhaps it “all started” with one’s who cannot structure proper sentences and spell words correctly to convey their thoughts where others can fully understand their meaning. Perhaps it “all started” with one’s who do not use all their senses and intellect to formulate true unbiased thought. Perhaps by just using their eyes in which they have trained to selectively see all events through “color”. Should your “African American Obama” magically be granted a third term, would he be able to “straighten” you out to use these simple tools or perhaps “it all started by President Bush” that you have not… Read more »

HMLA-167 Warrior
HMLA-167 Warrior
3 years ago
Reply to  BLG

It is “ones,” not “one’s,” but you probably do not see the irony there.

HMLA-167 Warrior
HMLA-167 Warrior
3 years ago

Now, who can spot the irony in my post and add some of their own?

BLG
BLG
3 years ago

Warrior, my intent in description was to not use a standard possevive pronoun and to deem descriptive as a “possessive”. And in this usage, one may use either spelling.
The correct answer is one’s!
All possessives get an apostrophe, except the standard possessive pronouns.

Nice try. Semper Fi.

Paula Visser
Paula Visser
3 years ago

More bullshit from a dimwit president who has cost this country more than all of us are aware of. I wish the man could see reality of all the trama he has caused. I did not and would not vote for this man and for him to leave this country would be no loss. He can leave now, this instant. I am not sure anyone can repair all the damage. It is sad that our country no longer respects family!

James in Wyoming
James in Wyoming
3 years ago

I hate the bastard as much as anyone. But what this duke is about is people with mental health issues not being able to carry a weapon. With all do respect Debra, I don’t believe you have anything to worry about. Nor does anyone who collects SSI retirement benefits. People need to educate themselves before going on and on about something so trivial. My SSI retirement checks are not going to be affected at all, or my right to carry. Please save your uproar for more important topics.

Tionico
Tionico
3 years ago

needing to have someone help manage personal finances IS cause to be dumped into the “mentally defective” category and thus lose your gun rights. They’ve been doing this to Vets for a long time now…. sick.

Eric
Eric
3 years ago
Reply to  Tionico

That is sick , hell did the VA workers ever miss a payment ????

Debra
Debra
3 years ago

I receive ssa for severe depression AND I have Fibromyalgia, Lymes disease, cancer survivor TWICE, OSTEO ARTHRITIS, and Diabetes. Gee no wonder I’m depressed. Now I find out I can NOT protect myself, since I live alone. Because someone who has been getting a six figure pay check for the last 8 years, who has not paid rent on his “white house”. Nor one utility or a grocery bill let alone have to carry a gun for protect for that entire time DECIDES weither or not I am competent enough to own a gun??? Explain to me again how I… Read more »

Winfield Gates
Winfield Gates
3 years ago
Reply to  Debra

You are mistaken President-Elect Trump WON the POPULAR vote by somewheres OVER 300,000 and as you hopefully know, won the Electoral College vote. Look it up on infowars.com. Suck it up and deal with it

Bill Bateman
Bill Bateman
3 years ago

Linda Pederson .. you are writing about Wayne LaPierre I assume, and if so you are correct! On the truthier side, let’s take issue with writer Evans’ lie that Obama was “rebuked” at the polls. Facts remain facts even in his world, and that is that Trump LOST the election by over 2.9 million votes. That is more voters than Idaho, Montana and Wyoming combined. And Rose is correct, most of the nuttier side of the NRA don’t even recognize mental illness as a hazard to the public thru gun possesion. Hint … look in the mirror and please give… Read more »

Pat G
Pat G
3 years ago
Reply to  Bill Bateman

How could he do this?My husband is mentally sick. He cannot even work. It’s a shame that this could happen. Mental sickness is real and people do not understand it at all. All those that get benefits will get hit hard. I will be praying to my Heavenly Father on this one. Not so I’m holding up every mentally ill disabled person that this will affect. All of a sudden this?

tomcat
tomcat
3 years ago
Reply to  Bill Bateman

Bateman, you drank a whole barrel of the koolaid all by yourself, didn’t you. For your information, Trump lost by by all the illegal votes in Kommifornia alone. In otherwords, he did not loose the legal vote. Illegals have no rights or no votes in this country. Obumer told them to go ahead and vote. Anything the Kenyon can do to screw up our country he will do.
Maybe you should crawl back under your rock and stay there. You sound very anti-American.

Richard L
Richard L
3 years ago
Reply to  Bill Bateman

Bullsh*t

William Nickerson
William Nickerson
3 years ago

I am receiving SSI Disability and also own
a legal, regisigered hand gun. My disability
is not based on mental illness, when SSA
does there (Random) review of my case, i
wonder because Funds are tight will SSA
use this new rule to establish my inelible-
bility for benifits. This sucks, Obama trying
to stick it to US one more time before he
leaves the Whitehouse. They better count
all the China, Art work, ect…. when he leaves

Lynn Ord
Lynn Ord
3 years ago

Well said, Eleanor Hawkins.

Eleanor k Hawkins
Eleanor k Hawkins
3 years ago

Due To Circumstance Beyond My Control,I Eleanor K Hawkins Became Disable With A Severe Case Of Reflex Sympathetic Dystrophy InWhich, I Lost My Left Leg Above Knee Became Spinal Cord Injury,Left Hand Drew In Muscles And Tendons,Movement Disorder. I Went Back To College InWhich,I Paid My Own College Tuition. I Studied Paralegal Law And Computer Science And Worked Again. I Started Going Down Hill Health Wise And Social Security,Hasci And SCI Was The Only Way To Live. I Depend On My God And I Walk Through The Field’s Together. My Income Is $710.00 A Month Again SSA And SSI Co-Payments… Read more »

David Hawkins
David Hawkins
3 years ago

Hope obuma has to apply and live off of ssi someday.

A.m.L
A.m.L
3 years ago

Very well said Eleanor
God bless you!

Bandit
Bandit
3 years ago

I have had my back broken a number of times yet suffered no spinal cord damage yet I still cannot work the way I want, because of the injuries I have had. I now have to live on SSI as well and yet was called mental and crazy on more than a few occasions. I am also a veteran and suffered injuries while in the service to this country. The last time I was at the SSA office they were telling people that they were going to lose their right to have a gun so that started last year so… Read more »

Eric
Eric
3 years ago
Reply to  Bandit

I hear ya , lumbar facet joints worn out , fusion from t12-l2 , c2,3,4 discs gone bone spur stabbing me in neck . Hell no I am not defective enough not to bear arms. Maybe weak and hurting . Not going to give up $100k of firearms and stuff.

Paul Blouin
Paul Blouin
3 years ago

If all Amercan’s would abide by what Jesus said: (which i’m sure they won’t) “Do voilence to no man” life would be a whole lot simpler

Tiffany Galbraith
Tiffany Galbraith
3 years ago
Reply to  Paul Blouin

There it it Folks….Someone has to bring Jesus or God up..When something goes good..”It’s a miracle from God” When something goes bad in someone’s life, “God has forsaken me” or “God has a plan”. Everything is not about God or some revelation or a book that someone wrote years ago. This is life real life. If you don’t pay your bills or make money does God send you an accountant? No, you end up homeless and starve. This is a cruel cut throat society. We the people in the end don’t really have as much of a voice as once… Read more »

Wild Bill
Wild Bill
3 years ago

@Tiffany G, Why no, Tiff it is not about God, it is about you. The whole world, the whole universe is about you. If you don’t work or pay your bills you will not end up homeless or starve. Even I can get you general relief, food stamps, assisted housing, a free cell phone, and a thousand dollars a month walking around money. This is not a cruel or cut throat society.

Tionico
Tionico
3 years ago
Reply to  Paul Blouin

He Never said any sich thing. WHY would He have advocated His followers to get a sword and carry it? Even if they had to sell their coat to buy one?
You are one of those wierdoes whe rewrite His words to sing YOUR tune. But that ain’t the way He works. YOU need to sing HIS tune.. else you are a liar when you attribute false words to Him. It makes all your words worthless…..

Wanda
Wanda
3 years ago
Reply to  Tionico

Luke 22:36 And He said to them, “But now, whoever has a money belt is to take it along, likewise also a bag, and whoever has no sword is to sell his coat and buy one.
He did say it. Jesus realized that sometimes we have to be able to defend ourselves.

Rose
Rose
3 years ago

Why are you all in such a rage? Unless you are receiving SSI for, or have a mental health condition as described then you have nothing to worry about. The described situations are so extreme, you would not want that person to have a gun anyways! Shows how much you dont know about mental health illnesses. The US is so much worse off with the masochistic, misogynistic, racist, bullying, two faced lying bastard Donald Trump as POTUS!! Hope you are not in the vicinity when someone tries to assassinate him, or bombs Trump Towers!

Ray
Ray
3 years ago
Reply to  Rose

Im sorry but not all people on ssi have mental health. What about disabled vets who are disabled fighting for this evil country.

Winfield Gates
Winfield Gates
3 years ago
Reply to  Rose

You need to take your head out of your hind end and see the reality. Obams does not want the second amendant, and that one protects the rest of the Bill of Rights

Nimblefairywings
Nimblefairywings
3 years ago
Reply to  Rose

For the veteran with PTSD, that fought for your freedom with a gun is now being told he can’t be trusted with a gun. How is that for logic? So he is good enough to send over seas for fodder but when he comes home he is considered a nut case. Who is in charge here!

Tionicoi
Tionicoi
3 years ago
Reply to  Rose

SSI are merely adopting the same excuses our Veteran’s Administration have used to illegally and unjustly deprive so many of our faithful and competent veterans of their rights to arms… many of them elderly or debilitated enough physically to NEED the protection of those arms. On what flimsy excuse? Simple… if a Vet makes use of an assistant to help them manage their personal finances they are adjudged mentally defective and thus denied their right to arms. WHAAATTT??? I know lots of folks who are plenty smart but hire an accountant to manage their accounts and payments. Doing that does… Read more »

BJ
BJ
3 years ago
Reply to  Rose

If it happens, maybe you will be the first person they come after!!

Cgordon
Cgordon
3 years ago

This is outrageous and unconstitutional! If allowed to stand, it will not stop with this ruling! The next step will be no guns allowed in the house where the person is residing or the automobile transporting the person, or on the person of the caretaker!

Linda Pederson
Linda Pederson
3 years ago

He’s nuts .Put him away. Literally put him away. And thee SSI needs to buck up. There’s so much corruption going on there it’s unreal. We need to riot. Maybe then the bastards would think twice. Unbelievable . The stupid bastard.

KR
KR
3 years ago
Reply to  Linda Pederson

Please slow down so you can spell correctly and then we might understand some of the crap that you’re typing

Lori
Lori
3 years ago

The world in which we live in goes further into hell because law abiding citizens are losing their 2nd Ammendment right.
Barack Obama needs to live in this country without the protection of Secret Service. Then can he with a clear conscious say this is needed?

AF
AF
3 years ago
Reply to  Lori

No, people need to teacher kids some damn respect…. and stop blaming other people for their failures…

Ray
Ray
3 years ago
Reply to  Lori

He has lived in a world without secret service…smh lmbooo

SELINA ROSEN
SELINA ROSEN
3 years ago

OMG! this article is the most ludicrous item I have read so far. No one is taking the guns from your cold dead hands. Laws need to be in place in order to safe guard security. I am sure PRESIDENT Barack Obama has thoughtfully researched this before proposing the bill. When the cheeto-faced orangutan gets in office he and his billionaire cabinet friends, will make sure we all are assigned a gun or face imprisonment.

Joe Tempest
Joe Tempest
3 years ago
Reply to  SELINA ROSEN

Dude. Obama is a bitch. OF COURSE HE WOULD TEAR GUNS FROM OUR COLD DEAD HANDS!!!!!

AF
AF
3 years ago
Reply to  Joe Tempest

Wow how where you able to type that with you finger in Ur a**?

Wild Bill
Wild Bill
3 years ago
Reply to  SELINA ROSEN

OMG Selina, so much hate! First, the SSA rule is a rule not a bill (a bill has to become an act of Congress before it can go into effect). Second, you complaint against the PE seems to be based upon his looks or perhaps based upon having successful friends. And finally, Barry Soetoro (aka Barak H. Obama) never researches anything thoughtfully except his next taxpayer funded family vacation.

MBH
MBH
3 years ago
Reply to  SELINA ROSEN

obama FAILS again. All his attempts to destroy America has failed. He has 24 days and no matter what he tries, America will survive. He is without doubt to anyone in their right mind the worst PRESIDENT in history. AS for gun laws, it appears the very people that should not have them, don’t want them, you included. So as PRESIDENT Barack Obama exits, why don’t you.

Ralph
Ralph
3 years ago
Reply to  SELINA ROSEN

There is something that supersedes the contemptible gun grab by this poor excuse for a president. It’s the 2nd Amendment. and the 4th Amendment. That aside, you have demonstrated by your last sentence that you are not concerned with having a factual debate. You are just another liberal, uninformed, intolerant , product of the Left .

jim Halberson
jim Halberson
3 years ago
Reply to  SELINA ROSEN

Dear SELINA ROSEN please troll the Huffington Post where you belong. Grownups are having a discussion here and mentally defective liberals such as yourself who practice knee jerk reactionary responses in print are not appreciated and/or tolerated.. let me dumb that down for you “take a hike looser”

OldCowboy
OldCowboy
3 years ago
Reply to  SELINA ROSEN

WTF??????? You don’t really live in America, do you??? Are you really even from this planet??? You need to jump back into your space ship and rejoin your friends in outer space.

OldCowboy
OldCowboy
3 years ago
Reply to  OldCowboy

My comment was for SELINA ROSEN!!!!