Florida Tax Collectors to Openly Carry While State Forbids the Right to Citizens

By David Codrea

Guns for me but not for thee? At least taxman Greenberg corroborates the protective value of being armed.
David Codrea in his natural habitat.

USA – -(Ammoland.com)- “A Central Florida tax collector says a new policy will allow his employees to openly carry firearms while they work,” The Associated Press reports. “Seminole County Tax Collector Joel Greenberg told the Orlando Sentinel that according to Florida law, he and his employees are considered ‘revenue officers’ and are exempt from the state's ban on the open carrying of firearms while performing their duties.”

The rationale behind the move is to save taxpayers money by eliminating the need to hire private security.

“Tax collector Joel Greenberg says he is a ‘big believer in the Second Amendment,’” letter to the editor writer Gordon Crawford points out in the Orlando Sentinel. “If that is truly the case, he would know that this constitutional amendment was put in place to protect the public from government tyranny, not to arm the government.”

Not that the courts have incentive to provide for that. As noted by the Sun Sentinel in March, “The Florida Supreme Court found the state’s ban on openly carrying handguns constitutional, raising the stakes for open carry laws under consideration in the Legislature this year.”

But per Florida Carry’s latest legislative update for SB 140, “Open Carry and Prohibited Places Reform,” Sponsor- Sen. Greg Steube”:

“This bill has been held by Sen. Steube in favor of placing its provisions individually into separate bills.”

What would Mason do?

“I ask, sir, what is the militia?” founder George Mason asked and then answered. “It is the whole people, except for few public officials.”

That public officials will open carry while the practice has been criminalized for the whole people is exactly opposite of what was intended. It also makes a mockery of what has to be the most ignored mandate in the world: “shall not be infringed.”

And while gun owner rights advocates will properly recognize that bearing arms is an individual right not dependent on active militia deployment, and oppose restrictions on the right as a condition of employment, Greenberg’s policy of assuming the status of “Only Ones” opens his team up to a dilemma created by assumptions of elitism. If they’re not in uniform, how will cops know they’re “authorized”?

What’s to stop a person whose knowledge about guns is limited to being spooked by the media from dialing 911? Or some evil-minded anti-gun troll from doing it for the express purpose of “swatting” what he perceives to be a “mere” armed citizen…?

That’s the problem when you have two sets of “laws” that undermine equal protection. It’s also a pretty good example of how a gun owner control law justified under the banner of “public safety” can make things more dangerous.

About David Codrea:

David Codrea is the winner of multiple journalist awards for investigating / defending the RKBA and a long-time gun owner rights advocate who defiantly challenges the folly of citizen disarmament.

In addition to being a field editor/columnist at GUNS Magazine and associate editor for Oath Keepers, he blogs at “The War on Guns: Notes from the Resistance,” and posts on Twitter: @dcodrea and Facebook.

  • 71 thoughts on “Florida Tax Collectors to Openly Carry While State Forbids the Right to Citizens

    1. “When the people fear the government, there is tyranny. When the government fears the people, there is liberty.”
      –Thomas Jefferson
      “Tyranny is defined as that which is legal for the government but illegal for the citizenry.”
      – Thomas Jefferson
      “The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government.”–Thomas Jefferson
      “The beauty of the Second Amendment is that it will not be needed until they try to take it.”
      –Thomas Jefferson

    2. Isn’t it amazing how the government and various elites always make exceptions for themselves when it comes to things like guns, immigration, race related to schools and neighborhoods, etc.

    3. Just in case anyone is wondering, the travel ban only applies to in coming travelers.
      So you are free to leave this country whenever you want. In fact I will help you pack, but I will have my walther ppx .40 cal on my hip and my .25 cal on my ankle.

      1. Always the pat answer…if you don’t like it…as if what YOU like is the way it should be. Fact is, if we don’t like something there are ways to change it to OUR liking out side of following your pitiful response. I could imagine you at the time of the countries founding sending the same message to those who were sick of King George and his crap.

        1. You’re absolutely right about being able to change things. I’m not against change I’m against stupidity.
          And there’s a big difference between property tax and the British Army seizing your entire family’s assets and continuing to arrest and execute entire blood lines.
          Is it the 16 year old child at the drive-through window’s fault that you pay taxes on food? No, but by the response of most people that are on this page is that they should be held responsible for it and some that the worker should be shot.
          How about WE as a country figure out solutions to our problems instead of fighting, rioting and killing each other. The government needs reform, this is true. But WE THE PEOPLE have the responsibility and the obligation to make such changes without resorting to the level of tyranny and rebellion.
          A second American Civil War would give our enemies the edge needed to destroy this GREAT country. Regardless of your political and personal agendas, you should at the least understand that you have it better here than most in the world do.
          In closing. respect your neighbor, speak your mind, change the world the right way, know your rights, make your life and your situation the best that you can, be happy that you live in a country that we can have conversations like this one and resorting to violence should be an absolute last option not the first in your mind. These are all reasonably achievable ideas.
          I respect your opinions and believe you should fight for what you want, but if you want to compare me to the red coated army of tyranny you can come do it to my face in Texas City, TX(10 minutes north of Galveston, TX)

          Enjoy your weekend

    4. The IRS at the federal level like this Tax Collector at the State level consider themselves above the law. Just look at Lois Lerner who has never been held to account for her illegal hounding and withholding approval of applications for tax exemption for 501C(3) organizations who just happened to be conservative leading up the election of 2012. She could still be charged and brought into a court of law to stand trial for her criminal activity assuming there’s enough indisputable evidence to prove the case against her.

    5. If one of them came to my house, and I knew that they were tax collectors, I would still report them to 911 when they left just to harass them, and in the hope that some cop would kill one or more of them.

      1. I don’t know what your doctrine is in, but I do know that you’ve never been jumped, robbed, threatened, held at knifepoint or gun point while working.
        And until you have, you have zero right to make dumb ass statement that condones the murder(yes this situation is premeditated murder) of someone that just wants to be safe while they providing for their families.
        Enjoy your life, because you are definitely going to hell…

        1. As were all of the Red Coats of King George who were threatened with “murder” by those colonists wanting to retain their rightful property from THEFT. After all, Mr. Greenturd is just doing his job of legalized thievery which you obviously condone. As for hell…you must be one of those that believe in a book of fables.

          1. Look, I know that our government is all kinds of jacked up. That doesn’t give one person the right to take the rights of someone else away.
            Is it the law enforcement officers responsibility to make the laws? No, they are just doing their job. You don’t have to agree with what they are doing to respect the position.
            The collection officers are not making the tax law, just like everyone else(or at least every self respecting individual that makes a living for them selves rather than mooching off of OUR government) they are just trying to make it home safe to their families after performing their duties.
            And for you to think that their death is a joke or a political statement, is asinine.
            Karma is a never forgiving bitch, I wish you nothing but happiness and success.

            1. @Andrew, I have read several of your posts and agree with much of what you say. I am not writing this to agree with others or get into a quibble with you, but…
              you know that the police (on the local or state level and Special Agents on the federal level) are the armed enforcers that protect the bureaucrats, politicians, behind the scenes string pullers, illegal aliens, moslem invaders, and garden variety criminals that We the People could rid ourselves of in about a month’s time, absent those armed enforcer. The elitists have things turned around so that the police protect the guilty rather than honest people.

            2. You need to read up on the Nuremberg trials. I’m just doing my job is/was no excuse for tyranny.

    6. This is no different then the low class words of the 30s shaking down people door-to-door, only they think it’s legal because they hold a position in government, but they forget and refuse to obey the laws of the people. Nothing but thugs who make Al Cappone look like a Cub Scout!

      1. Government, as a whole, is nothing but a gang of thieves. Think of it like this: Once upon a time a gang of robbers, thieves and murderers got together to figure out a way to protect themselves. They hatched the idea of government by which they convince the rest of the population to “vote” for robbers, thieves and murderers to protect them from robbers, thieves and murderers. And then those robbers, thieves and murderers lived happily ever after protected by the very people they rob from steal from and murder. Boy was that group a brilliant bunch to say the least! Just another day on the insane asylum called Earth. PROPERTY TAXES on someones home is the 1st plank of the Communist Manifesto. When will we ever learn?

    7. If no one else is allowed to carry, and I see a person in street clothes coming towards me, I am going to drop them like a bad habit. I am a retired law enforcement officer from PA. and have made all requirements to carry a firearm in all 50 states. BEWARE. You never know who you are walking near, or how you portray yourself.

      1. Great idea. Then after all your training in “law enforcement” you’ll end up in a cage for murder. Just because someone is armed doesn’t give YOU or anyone else the right to “drop them like a bad habit”. ESPECIALLY if they are carrying in the open and not pointing it at you. Comments like this make me wonder about the mentality of “law enforcement” in general. Unless you’re a double o special murder incorporated agent, which unfortunately for all of us in the US seems to be the case with “law enforcement”.

      2. Oh, and one other thing…it’s so great to know that you are of the special privilege vaunted class that you have “made all the requirements to carry a firearm in all 50 states”, while the rest of us, especially those of us who are foolish enough to have the audacity to think that SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED printed on that old useless document, The US Constitution”. means what it says for ALL 50 STATES. How do people like you take an oath to support and defend the US Constitution and then at the same time are willing to totally violate that oath arresting, or in your case “dropping them like a bad habit”? How does that work in your mind since they contradict one another?

        1. The aversge cop has an IQ of 70 can’t have a cop that thinks critically they might figure out law enforcements isi just state sponsored terrorisim.

          1. I’m beginning to believe from what I’ve been reading and seeing that you may be correct on the IQ number. I was giving them the benefit of the doubt just figuring that they had been so well brain dirtied (not brain washed, they NEED that!) and were just going along with the program of “protecting and serving” those incorporated for profit entities that they work for.

    8. this should be called the armed robbery service, and just who does he think he’ll be defending him self against?..people that dont want their money stolen i would assume

    9. I am a FL resident, CCW holder, and live in a county neighboring Seminole. If the tax collector there thinks his agents should be openly armed then they should be formally trained in the legal use of their weapon just as I was required to be, and they better be wearing badges which clearly show they have a legal right to openly carry. If I am denied that right as a free man and citizen of the state of Florida, then they must be as well. What’s next, armed health inspectors?

      1. I totally agree with the above statement. The employees must be trained completely for at least 4 weeks in the handling of as weapon and must qualify, then wear a uniform to denote that they are State Police TYPES

      2. Free man and citizen are contradictions. Look up what a citizen is. For all intents, a citizen is a slave.

      3. Sen flores of miami stopped open carry she violated 18 usc ss 241 so did the Florida state supreme court sen.flores and the supreme are guitly of a felony violating ones constitutional rights is a capital offense with a possible death sentence push usc 18 ss 241 they all go down.

        1. No one has “Constitutional rights”. Our rights come from birth. The Constitution was supposed to be a way to restrain the GOVERNMENT from violating our NATURAL rights. Thomas Jefferson called them UNALIENABLE rights which mean you can’t take them away, sell them, transfer them or in any way at all loose them. Those that PRETEND that they can do so do so at their own peril. Because the ultimate enforcer of our rights are WE THE PEOPLE, who can at any time shoot Red Coats for violating them. According to your statement, you have a few legitimate targets living within the borders of your state that many of us out here in the hinterlands would praise the loss of.

    10. And as for an answer to the question…What would Mason do? I’d venture to say that he would grab his musket, some ball and powder, maybe a garotte and flintlock pistol, go to the local tavern where the enforcers hung out, strangle as many as possible, shoot as many as possible, and hope to hell he didn’t get seen by any of the Tory informants that would have supported the red coated police of the day. It is a sad state of affairs that the USA has become communist right under the noses of our grandfathers so that to this day most of us born under it don’t even recognize what it has become. So many would fight to their dying breath to keep it this way. Jefferson, Mason, Paine, were all men who knew what the word MAN meant. Paine’s writing contributed to the mindset that flamed the thought of rebellion to the point that we today benefit from the pamphlet he wrote called “Common Sense”. Which by the way is very rare today within the disUnited States.

      1. Had to get and read a copy of this for a college course I was taking. It was readily available at no cost online, a downloadable PDF. Put “thomas paine common sense” in the search window. Also, cheap paperback used copies were readily available on Amazon.The shipping rip cost more than the book.

      2. Mark Are, wish there was a like button on these comments, I like a lot of your comments.
        This is why I became an oathKeeper after 15 years in the Marine Corps, I believe in the Constitution, not the government.

    11. Yawn………
      As usual, the day is polluted
      by beta cucks cravenly whining
      about what a treasonous sh*tbag
      dictator won’t allow the dirt people
      peasantry to do, instead of being
      free people and doing.
      You stupid mutts.

      1. And yet a keyboard warrior gamma is here reading and commenting.You likely don’t understand that your comments prove you aren’t alpha.

    12. Well from the commentary here, seems like I may not have much to add. Seems like people seem to be catching on to the notion that a State for which the law does not apply signifies either an elitist State that is above the law or unjust laws, or both. Either way, it’s high time to remove BOTH from the picture!

      1. The rule of law and equality
        of justice is long dead in America.
        And it had been, long before
        bathhouse barry squatted in the Oval Office.
        You stupid mutt

    13. It’s very simple. Florida needs to pass open carry like Texas did. Most permit holders will still continue to concealed carry, but at least they will have a choice.

      1. How about Florida pass the 2nd amendment? Where it says SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED would be a good understanding for the 1st grade dropouts in the legislature. I would venture to say that if you have to get a PERMIT for anything, that a right doesn’t exist. It is a PRIVILEGE granted by the master in control of issuance. Even the title of this article is a bit off base. You can’t forbid a RIGHT. Rights are UNALIENABLE which means NOTHING can take them away outside of the opposite of birth where they were obtained in the first place. We just need to man up and tell ANYONE who TRIES, to go to Hades. My motto is this: Give me Liberty, or I will give YOU death. I should make up a T-shirt.

        1. I’m 100% in agreement that every physically and mentally capable person should be allowed to carry both concealed and open carry.
          The reason Texas issues permits, is to protect the community from those who believe that their rights are more important than others. By keeping ex-cons, the mentally unstable and those uneducated in proper gun safety from freely carrying firearms on their hips.
          The permit also protects the firearm carrier, by issuing a test on the laws and the interpretation of said laws as it pertains to open carry.

          1. @Andy, After Heller and McDonald, I don’t think that the various states have the authority to require permits. The states might have the authority to deny convicted felons firearms. All that other stuff is pretty well moot.

            1. CONVICTED in a CAGE felons. Once released they should have their UNALIENABLE rights back. if they cross the line again, and they were REAL felons and not made up ones ( the founding fathers considered a HEINOUS crime to be a felony, not smoking an herb) we can deal with that too.

          2. Andy, just what makes you think that actual criminals – you know, those who want to harm other people – will in any way be stopped by any of your “permits” or the requirements to obtain them? Do criminals and the deranged actually care about these things, these “laws,” or not.

            All the run-around “laws” and restrictions do is make it harder for ordinary people to prepare to defend themselves. Sure, the “laws” can be used to convict the attacker/ murderer AFTER the fact, but that’s not much consolation to the helpless victim.

            It is simply not possible to prevent those who want to harm others from obtaining or carrying a gun or other weapon, especially since the most common weapon is their BARE HANDS. And, in addition, most criminals are not enthusiastic open carriers either.

            Can you tell me why you don’t seem to be able to understand this?

            1. Did you actually read what I wrote?
              I never said anything about it keeping criminals from illegally carrying a concealed weapon.
              I said the law protects the community by not allowing them to freely carry concealed weapons.
              It is everyone’s responsibility to defend themselves or at the very least be vigilant enough to recognize potential danger and avoid said situations.
              They are not MY laws, they are The State of Texas’ Laws and Regulations. I clearly stated in my original post that these regulations were put in place to allow the physically and mentally competent persons with the proper weapons safety training and understanding of the state regulations to protect themselves from those who wish to violate their rights for personal gain(which is one of the definitions of a criminal, dumbass).
              I didn’t use the word criminal because there are those who actually better themselves after being labeled a criminal.
              I’m a strong believer in the right to defend yourself, I just don’t want a bunch of people walking around with deadly weapons when they don’t know how or when to use their weapons. If you’re going to invoke the right to bear arms then you sure as hell better be able to hit what your aiming at. The last thing anyone with half a conscience(you know the little voice in your telling you what is right and wrong) is the pointless unintentional loss of life.
              All of what I said boils down to that, you’re born with the right to carry a weapon, you lose this right by committing a crime against another person or if you do not have the mental capacity to understand the ramifications of taking a life and if you are going to carry a weapon learn how to use that weapon.
              Most people don’t know the drop rate of whatever particular round that they use or know to look past your target before firing to avoid hitting someone behind them or that you are better off keeping your weapon holstered if the attacker is within 21 feet away or that you are 6 times more likely to get shot if you openly carry your weapon(26 times more likely than if you don’t carry at all)

    14. Back in Arkansas, back in the day, my family knew how to deal with armed “Revenuers”. Just like back then, folks were trying to make a living and just like back then, the government either didn’t want them doing so, or wanted their unfair portion of what the people made.

      1. I don’t need to go back to Arkansas. I’m already there. And people EVERYWHERE are starting to see through these scam artists con games that they have been utilizing on the populations of the world. Not just in the US but EVERYWHERE. The psychos that think they are in control are going to find out the hard way soon. I just hope I live to see the day where my children live in a free world devoid of the control freaks that have nothing but their own interests at heart. I’m sure that Mr. Greenburg drives a nice new fancy car, lives in a house that makes a lot of us wonder how, and gets lots of retirement benefits stolen for him by the “state” he is employed by. Gag me with a place setting.

      2. Joe, just what would you consider a “fair portion” of your hard earned money for the government to steal?

    15. if circumstances should at any time oblige the government to form an army of any magnitude that army can never be formidable to the liberties of the people while there is a large body of citizens, little if at all inferior to them in discipline and the use of arms, who stand ready to defend their own rights and those of their fellow citizens. Hamilton, federalist papers # 29

    16. As George Orwell stated in “Animal Farm” all of the animals are equal, it’s just that some are more equal then others. The reason Greenturd wants to carry is because he and his cohorts in CRIME are dealing directly with the 1st and 10th plank of the Communist manifesto. The first plank states this: Abolition of property in land and the application of all rents of land to public purposes. , oh I know…we aren’t really paying “rent” are we? OR ARE WE? Don’t pay your RENT/”taxes” and see how fast you’re are forced out of “your” dwelling at gun point by the local sheriff and see how fast “your” property is put up for sale to find someone who will pay that rent. Just because the words aren’t the same doesn’t make it any different. Oh and the 10th plank which is what the first plank pays for along with OTHER public purposes is Free education for all children in government schools… Oh, I know there is that pesky word issue again. We call them PUBLIC schools. HOWEVER what are public schools? Once enough people wake up to the fact that we have become serfs/slaves on our own land, no amount of carrying openly, or security is going to protect people like him from the REAL REASON for the second amendment. Oh and in case you really are just not sure what that is…go watch Doctor Susanna Hupp on Youtube explain it to Congress. Forcing people at gunpoint to pay rent for the “property” they work for is TYRANNY and legalized THEFT. PERIOD.

      1. Didn’t you mean: talmud/zio shitbird? That’s a Greenburg. In any event, come on the property — shoot him. The revolution has already begun.

        1. Tell me something you lackluster discourteous, lout, can you possibly ask a question without being a knuckle-dragging twit?

          Respect others and you will get respect!

        2. @Barson Maith, No, I don’t think that it has. We have a non-politician administration. I want to see how it works out. I think that the revolution will be a political one.
          Let the leftist/socialist/progressives commence armed rebellion. If you want some bureaucrat shot, then you do it.

      2. You’re right, no taxes of any kind for everyone. While you chase that rainbow striped unicorn, think about what you are saying.
        With out taxes our government crumbles, which sounds great right?
        NO, look at every country or empire of all time including the present that has had their government crumble. Poverty, anarchy and violence are the only things they all have in common. Oh yeah, and they are either no longer a country or will very shortly no longer be a country

        1. @AS, But the various governments have gone too far with their taxing authority. For example: Oblabla used the IRS as a weapon agains conservatives. Another example: Taxing authorities don’e even talk about using tax payer dollars wisely, anymore. Nor do they talk about fair taxes anymore. They do talk about wealth redistribution. Tax dollars are no longer used for legitimate purposes. Taxes are now used to regulate and suppress the population.

        2. @ Andrew..Governments Constitutional requirement is to mint the money through the US Mint, if Government makes the money, they wont have to tax us, the privately owned federal reserve prints the money down at the printing office and loans it out to government..

        3. On the national level, why would they need taxes? “The Federal Government, with the
          cooperation of the Federal Reserve, has the inherent power to create money–almost any amount of it.” ~ The National Debt, Federal Reserve Bank of Philadelphia, p. 8

          ALMOST? Why only ALMOST? What keeps them from printing ALL they want? You? Me? Your dog? A full moon?
          On the state level, yes they need taxes HOWEVER, stealing via the 1st plank of the Communist Manifesto which you most likely never read or are a staunch adherent to, isn’t the way to get your “services” paid for. That is UNLESS you believe in communism.

          . Ever read that pesky Constitution Andrew? This is why they don’t follow it anymore. As for your statement of the country devolving into what” poverty, anarchy and violence”, so that is what the US had happen after they succeeded from England?

          The Reason:
          There is a reason that “they” don’t follow the Constitution anymore. The reason is that the lynch pin was removed in 1913. Once the control of the monetary system was taken from the hands of the people and those in control could create all they wanted out of thin air with the collusion of the Federal Reserve, none of what we think matters anymore. None of what we do matters anymore.

          They have effectively enslaved the world to their fiat money systems based on nothing that they create out of thin air and are able to use to do whatever they want. We have no say in what they do. They control us because they have stolen the lynch pin to the system that was designed by our founding fathers to work. No, it was not perfect, as mankind is not perfect, but it gave us a very limited government that was taken away from us when the lynch pin was stolen in 1913. You see, Article 1 Section 10 and Article 1 Section 8 ARE what hold the whole apparatus together. Without it, we are nothing but serfs on a plantation that they control with their fiat unlawful, unGodly, theft system of paper money backed by nothing, created out of thin air with no recourse.

          Understand, that when the money had SUBSTANCE of SOME THING, and not just IMAGINATION, one of the recourse’s we the people had was to withhold taxes which could effectively shut the government down if they were engaged in some sort of insanity that no one agreed upon. Today, we could all quit paying them and they would just print up what they needed and thumb their noses at us.
          I believe that if those PROVISIONS laid out in the Constitution were still applicable, that we would have abundance and prosperity. But what do I and those dummies that framed it know?

        4. Thank you for your respectful responses.
          the government can and has been printing money nonstop, but who benifits?
          Only the government benefits, every bill that they print drops the value of the dollar in your pocket. What’s the point in having a million dollars if it doesn’t get you as far as a hundred dollars a couple decades ago.
          Printing new money and continuing to borrow Chinese funding can not be the country’s solution.
          We have to figure out a better way

          1. @AS, Perhaps exchanging the paper “fiat money” for a stock pile of whatever you will need when the time comes that people will not accept paper money (or credit cards, or checks). There could also come a time when people will not accept silver or gold, neither of which can be eaten. But a can of beans or a couple of shotgun shells could buy you a pickup truck.

        5. You’re unknowingly making an argument for a stateless society. Govts often crumble. If not they often become totalitarian. It’s not the lack of taxes that is the problem. The problem is that govts are inherently unstable. For this reason they always try to expand their power at the expense of our liberties. No CONstitution has ever worked as advertised. Thinking the you can make govt work is chasing “that rainbow striped unicorn”. If you don’t agree, fine. Offer a viable alternative.

          I’m all for institutions, law, & security. What you don’t see is that these have & can again be provided privately. What we need are institutions that are voluntarily hired & voluntarily financed. With taxation institutions are forced on people. This makes taxpayers slaves not freemen. Liberty comes from controlling money not voting or owning a few guns.

    17. Great article Mr. Codrea. Your quote by George Mason our founder pretty well states the unopposable in any reasonable persons mind whether lawyer, lawmaker, judge, politician or citizen and that is the CRUX of the matter of who supposed to have the right to carry, period. Thank you for gathering the FACTS of our founders and putting it in perfect context concerning the elitist government officers or politicians and the common citizen. This is supposed to be part of what makes America great. We the people are supposed to have authority from the bottom up or really the top down to the lawmakers and judges and law officers. This is what makes us who we are or were and should be the restoration of the intent of the founders and our constitution. Again, thanks brother David.

      1. States should only have use taxes. If a person utilizes a “service” they should pay for it themselves. People who don’t have children or that put their children in schools other then government owned ones shouldn’t have to be forced to support them. It is, plain and simple, the COMMUNIST manifesto in force and effect in the USA. When are we going to wake up to the tyranny that has been placed over us slowly but surely since the “civil” war? Darren, below, states the obvious to many of us…taxation is nothing but armed robbery.

    18. We continue to have a tremendous need for the SCOTUS to rule that ALL gun laws directed at the ownership, possession and carrying of arms be declared unconstitutional once and for all. Otherwise this trend continues to degrade the Bill of Rights as an assault on any singular right provided for in the Constitution means ANY of those other rights can eventually be made illegal by a rogue court or government. Is that not what our forefathers were fighting for? It is exactly what is discussed in the Preamble of the Constitution.

      1. We the people really don’t need that. We just need to be willing to do what it takes, and if that means shooting those who would enforce unlawful, unconstitutional, COMMUNIST “rules” aka “laws” on the citizenry, so be it. The Nuremberg trials made it clear that following orders to commit atrocities is no defense. We should devolve back to the day of PEACE OFFICERS who understood that their job was to the people to keep the peace and do away with “LAW ENFORCEMENT” officers who’s job is nothing more then to fill the cages with non violent “criminals” at the behest of their masters, the “legislators” that pass these onerous laws to enslave we the people. Without ENFORCERS the legislatures power is nothing more then a pen pusher who puts ink on pieces of paper which are useless without those willing to enforce the insane edicts that keep coming down from the psychopathic “ruling” elite.

    19. This also shows how taxation is nothing but armed robbery. Now that they openly carry maybe even the staunchest statists will figure it out.

      1. @Darren, Yes it is robbery supported by two rationales: First, if the American people can not be harnessed, then the various governments, politicians, bureaucrats, and judges in the United States can not be big budget “players”; and second, wealth redistribution. The various levels of government do not even make a pretense of fair taxation anymore. Control the working population by taking away their money, and control the welfare rats and hard core unemployable by buying them off.

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