If NY State Constitutional Convention Is Approved, Don’t Believe the Fear Mongering

Be prepared the other side will say the sky is falling if a NYS Constitutional Convention is approved don’t believe them.

Sperate New York State
Sperate New York State
Divide NYS
Divide NYS

New York State – -(Ammoland.com)- One of the online posts (whose author is unknown) opposing the Constitutional Convention calls Divide NYS delusional and a scam. Our chances of success must be improving if the other side has to resort to name calling.

In the 1960s the Legislature called a convention off cycle so their members could easily run for delegate when the convention is called by a YES vote of the voters the delegates are elected at the same time as the legislators and the governor are up for reelection which blocks them from running for delegate.

Note: There has been some confusion about the difference between NY State and Federal Constitutional Convention. A Federal Constitution Convention (sometimes called an Article V Con-Con) is called if 2/3 of the States pass resolutions requesting one. The members of a Federal Con-Con are appointed by the State legislators the people have no say in choosing them. Amendments must be approved by 3/4 of the States and because the US Constitution protects our rights; all our rights are at risk !!!

What we want is a NY State Constitutional Convention.

Whether it will be held will be decided by NYS voters this Nov 2017; since it automatically appears on the ballot every 20 years. If approved by the voters. In Nov 2018, 3 delegates are elected by NYS residents from each of the 63 NY State Senate districts and 15 delegates at large. Any proposed Amendments must be approved by the voters. No rights are at risk because the NYS Constitution does not protect much and Federal Constitution overrides the NYS one.

Divide NYS Vote Yes
Divide NYS Vote Yes

Our Secession plan calls for establishing a more representative form of government than the strange form of democracy NYS currently has which allows downstate to rule upstate which destroys good paying jobs upstate , while upstate can occasionally block things downstate wishes to enact. We would partition NYS into Autonomous Regions the New Amsterdam Region (upstate) and the New York Region (downstate) alongside a token state government to comply with the US Constitution. The token NYS government that remains would have about the same power as the Queen of England! Because we are forming regions not a new state or moving counties between states; Congress can be legally bypassed. Since the NYS Legislature has failed to act, this plan also has the option to bypass the NYS Legislature; because every twenty years the people of NYS get to vote on whether to hold a NY State Constitutional Convention. We need to vote YES on the Constitutional Convention, in Nov 2017 (may be on the back of ballot, or a separate sheet). Our autonomous regions method is more likely to succeed!

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About Divide NYS Caucus;

The State of New York contains a tremendously diverse population and is unique in its dichotomy. The overwhelming majority of the state consists of small to medium sized communities set in a rural and suburban climate; generally conservative values blend with moderate liberal ideals to create a unique political platform. Meanwhile, the downstate counties that make up New York City are significantly more liberal leaning in their values and are world famous for the size and power of the most significant city in the world.

It is equally unfair to both upstate and downstate residents to share a representative government; the vast differences in lifestyle and aspirations demonstrate that both downstate and upstate should have their own autonomous governments so as to more effectively serve their constituents. www.newamsterdamny.org

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David P Hosmer
David P Hosmer
3 years ago

I will be voting for the constitutional convention. Anyone not happy with the status quo should do this. The special interest groups are so powerful. The influence of these powerful organizations turns our representatives into puppets who support the agenda of the powerful lobbyist. I don’t think there is a more corrupt state in the union. I pray this passes. I will be surprised if it does. The big money and powerful groups are against it. Will the people rise to the occasion?

Rick M
Rick M
4 years ago

No, the Federal Constitution does NOT override a States Constitution. The Federal Government (Constitution) was delegated certain limited authority by the States. If it’s not listed in the Constitution then it is left to the States. Much of Federal Law is unconstitutional but the States do not make a peep because they are bribed by Federal monies. Read the Tenth Amendment. I agree we need a State Constitutional Convention but please do not perpetuate the lie that the Federal Government overrides a States authority.

Wild Bill
Wild Bill
4 years ago
Reply to  Rick M

@Rick M, In a contest between a State and the U.S. Constitution, the Constitution of the United States is supreme. It is called the Supremacy Clause. The fix was in from the time that the states sent delegates to amend the Articles of Confederation. The delegates sent by the states did not amend the Articles of Confederation. Instead the delegates from the states wrote, and voted on the Constitution of the United States. Entirely Ultra Vires. Then each of the states ratified the new Constitution of the United States. That is why a constitutional convention is so dangerous. Delegates sent… Read more »

Rick M
Rick M
4 years ago
Reply to  Wild Bill

No, the supremacy clause only means the Constitution is Supreme in its given authority. Like I said, if it’s not in the Constitution the States are Supreme.

Melissa
Melissa
3 years ago
Reply to  Rick M

Not only does the US Constitution override any state constitution, federal statutory law also overrides any state constitution. For example, when Detroit went bankrupt, federal bankruptcy law overrode the Michigan constitution which guaranteed state pensions.

Rick M
Rick M
3 years ago
Reply to  Melissa

Once again, no, the Fedreal Constitution does not override a State Constitution unless it was given authority to it by the States as originally intended. READ THE TENTH AMENDMENT. Its not hard to do a little research.

frank verchereau
frank verchereau
4 years ago

Say we get enough yes votes to open the convention .Will this allow us to remove Como from the final single person decision making ? how about term limits and all the amenities they have given themselves.at least for new hires.get rid of outside people deciding their salaries We should have to vote on them.take away stipends from all . no longer allow lobbyist Any crime would have an actual consequence.There are so many things that could really ad up by not allowing them so much freedom

frank verchereau
frank verchereau
4 years ago

Are we locked into using only Legislators as our representatives or can we in any way tell them no thank you we are bringing our own and we will be making a list of changes that we want to make

Chris N.
Chris N.
4 years ago

The problem with voting “YES” at this time is that it will result in the same lopsided situation we currently have in Albany. There are 63 Senate districts, but the first 40 or so are Westchester county and below. No matter how you slice it, downstate will have a 2 to 1 advantage over upstate. I believe the root, and the solution, to be the fact that currently NYS apportions senate districts by population. To correct the issue, and possibly solve the upstate / downstate problem as well, we need 1 state senator per COUNTY. The number drops by 1… Read more »

Peter Giangaspro
Peter Giangaspro
4 years ago

The problem with A NYS Constitutional Convention will be that the very same corrupt forces that control the state now will almost certainly control the selection of delegates, the issues to be amended, and the direction of the votes! If we can’t empower enough state senators and assemblymen to enact meaningful ethics reform, what makes anyone think that “we, the people…” can exert any real control during a Constitutional Convention?

Timothy K. Toroian
Timothy K. Toroian
4 years ago

To the suggestion, they just split the state; Article IV, section3,.. but no new state shall be formed or erected within the Jurisdiction of any other State;nor any State be formed by the Junction of two or more States, or Parts of States without the Consent of the Legislatures of the States concerned as well as of the Congress.

John Bergener Jr
John Bergener Jr
3 years ago

This will not affect anything federal level so Congress can be legally bypassed. Creating autonomous regions is almost the same as being separate states! Since Congress is unlikely, to give the Northeast two more US Senate seats a new state would require, because the Western states feel New England has too many US Senators. Each autonomous region would have its own elected Regional Governor and Regional Legislature. Regional Senators from all regions will also serve as the New York State Senate; Regional Assembly persons from all regions will also serve as the New York State Assembly. This will reduce NY… Read more »

Robert
Robert
4 years ago

Why not join California and secede From the United States and create the FAILED STATES of SOCIALIST!

Kirsten
Kirsten
4 years ago

Your whole argument that a NYS Constitutional Convention is not dangerous to us (citizens) hinges one one very important factor – and that is we actually get New Yorkers to the polls to vote! As we saw with the abysmal turnout of regustered gun owners to vote against the Safe Act, we cannot count on people being in-tune enough to get to the polls to ensure our rights are being protected. People are spoiled, lazy and apathetic. I will be voting NO for the Convention!!

roscoethehat
roscoethehat
4 years ago
Reply to  Kirsten

Boy howdy have YOU hit the nail on the head. They could do a co-op property swap and take a few other Kaziforia like states as well. Bravo on your thought.

Barney S.
Barney S.
4 years ago

Forgive my naiveté, but why can’t you just call a Convention and split the state? I don’t recall hat being prohibited in the US Constitution, and it’s happened before (albeit different circumstances of course).

This way you’d also get a chance to have more good Senators in Washington, too.

What am I missing?

John
John
3 years ago
Reply to  Barney S.

Divide NYS wants to partition NYS into 2 or 3 Autonomous Regions NOT a new state? This will not affect anything federal level so Congress can be legally bypassed. Creating autonomous regions is almost the same as being separate states! Since Congress is unlikely, to give the Northeast two more US Senate seats a new state would require, because the Western states feel New England has too many US Senators. Each autonomous region would have its own elected Regional Governor and Regional Legislature. Regional Senators from all regions will also serve as the New York State Senate; Regional Assembly persons… Read more »

John
John
3 years ago
Reply to  Barney S.

The plan is to partition NYS into 2 or 3 Autonomous Regions NOT a new state? This will not affect anything federal level so Congress can be legally bypassed. Creating autonomous regions is almost the same as being separate states! Since Congress is unlikely, to give the Northeast two more US Senate seats a new state would require, because the Western states feel New England has too many US Senators. Each autonomous region would have its own elected Regional Governor and Regional Legislature. Regional Senators from all regions will also serve as the New York State Senate; Regional Assembly persons… Read more »

Timothy K. Toroian
Timothy K. Toroian
4 years ago

Current system keeps a densely populated area from being able to exert too much influence on a state of the country sort of how the Electoral College keeps large cities from running the country. We went soft years ago when Washington D.C. got some representation. D.C was never intended to have population other than government people who would official residents of a state where they could vote in national elections. D.C. was never intended to be a voting district. It was to be the center of government and therefore non-partisan in choosing the government officials.

Winston
Winston
4 years ago

Be VERY careful with “regional” government. It’s what the globalist/Agenda 21 cabal has pushed for years, and you don’t want to give them an opening. You may want to rethink how state government would be structured. In addition, if you want people to take you seriously – and I thoroughly approve of the concept of dividing up the states that are ruled by tiny, leftist controlled urban areas – you might want to get someone who can write to do your articles. This one reads like it was written by an 8th grader.

vab
vab
4 years ago

I recently realized that the small but very populous urban areas are controlling the large but sparsely-populated rural areas in some of our most populous states, such as CA and NY. These states need to adopt a form of government that prevents this from happening. (Not to mention that all unconstitutional laws–those that restrict our rights–need to be stricken from the law books, but this will not happen as long as the urban areas rule over the rural areas.) So it looks like there is a good movement in NY state to start that process. What happens in NY will… Read more »

James Hamelinck
James Hamelinck
4 years ago

This should have been done years ago so we in the upstate may have a more sensible and honest Governor
which we sure as hell do not have now and have not had since the Cuomos have been in office!