I Actually Read HR 38 : National Carry Reciprocity & Guess What I Found?

HR 38 (Carry) now includes HR 4477 (Fix NICS) and SURPRISES. Federal gun-free school-zones removal among others.

A Gun Magazine is now Handgun, wait what?
A Gun Magazine is now Handgun, wait what?

USA – -(Ammoland.com)- The House passed HR 38, National Carry on Dec. 7 2017. So I took time to actualy read the bill.

It’s good but with problems, described below. (HR 4477, Fix NICS, was nailed on at the last minute, covered separately.)

The Senate's carry-bill version (S 446) is vastly different, it sits idle since Jan. 2017. Reporters act like they’re the same, just needs a vote, false (only 658 words).

The bills seem to say — if you can carry concealed in your home state with a permit, or if you don’t need a permit to do so in your state — you can carry concealed nationwide. But not quite.

  • The House bill makes LOCAL PRIVATE “gun-free zones” official federally.
  • The House bill makes LOCAL STATE “gun-free zones” official federally.

Depending on what those two bans include, where you can carry could be pretty small. Are local roads or rights-of-way “government property” and hence subject to bans?

A state like New York, already on record ready to obstruct the law, could conceivably ban guns on its roads, “government property,” and foul up the entire plan.

Next, your state can remove itself, you and the nation from the Reciprocity plan by repealing its permit law.

When the bills get combined (IF the Senate votes) we’ll get something brand new.

Both parties will argue during conference committee, change things, that’s standard. Some changes are seriously needed, discussed below.

Handguns are redefined, so possession of an empty magazine is now possession of a handgun (you read that right).

Possession of ammo for a handgun is also possession of a handgun. Both definitions (magazines, ammo) MUST be fixed.

A loaded ten-round magazine under the House bill would be 11 handguns…!?

Those parts are bound to be rewritten in committee, or we have trouble. What idiots write these things? I drafted corrective language below. 18 USC §926D(b)(1) and (2) (gun-free zones) should be deleted.

Some really good things are included in the House bill:

  • Bogus gun arrests will get authorities sued, and they pay, with penalties.
  • Constitutional Carry is recognized nationwide (11 states so far) ,
  • The Clinton-era gun-free-school-zones farce is eliminated for carrying.: This has not been mentioned in “news,” is bound to be a hot issue.

If I were skeptical I might wonder, if by keeping quiet about eliminating the federal gun-free-zones ban, the creation of countless local gun-free school-zone bans might not get noticed.

  • National land assets are unequivocally open to civil rights — bearing arms.

Much more — federal judges allow themselves to carry nationwide without training, permits or anything (leftists are silent about these new only-ones), bump stocks are defined, the NICS system is evaluated for “results” which don’t include crime control (probably just names added to the list, fast),

  • Indians get swept into the system, it’s all explained below.

The most trusted name in news, and the fair and balanced news, carried almost none of this. That’s covered as well. When I get tired of watching the news, I just turn on CNN.

What the “News” Media Has Been Saying:

Lies
Inventions, lies, some plain stupidity, it is just astounding.

Inventions, lies, some plain stupidity, it is just astounding.

Based on my own media observations and notes, basically, every deceptive complaint the public endured from anti-rights people and so-called “news” media about CCW permit laws as they passed in all 50 states we’re hearing repeated for the national carry bill, HR 38. Astounding.

We have the BITS myth (Blood In The Streets) repeated, which never occurred when permits were issued. No apologies or corrections for the false 50-story set were ever issued, the mythology continues.

We were “informed” horrible criminals will suddenly start carrying firearms and shooting indiscriminately (the permits had no impact on armed criminality).

Good people traveling armed will suddenly turn bad, shoot slow waiters and people at stop lights (pure paranoia, never happened), but it is appearing in print, broadcast and online again. Psychologists have suggested it is projection, leftists projecting their own lack of stability, balance and control into the situations.

Studies are circulating how people with permits are an order of magnitude more law-abiding than the general population and even than the police, now thoroughly documented (and ignored by the media and bigots, who cling to their lies and innuendo).

The anti-gunners are complaining, irrationally, that criminal laws will cease to exist or stop operating, allowing criminals to carry, but that is simply silly. Any malfeasance committed with or without a firearm after national carry is enacted remains totally illegal and subject to punishment as it always has been. It doesn’t change based on this bill.

That legal carry will somehow make it harder for authorities to arrest armed criminals, but how or why that is true is not explained, because it can’t be. In fact, police authority to stop you on “reasonable suspicion” is reiterated for good measure. The parade of horribles pouring out of the anti-rights movement over HR 38 is predictably either paranoid or irrational. Decades of positive CCW permit experience fails to hold sway, illustrating the irrational nature of the objections.

What does change, omitted in reports, is that people who travel legally within their states and exercise their constitutional rights will be free to travel outside their states with the same legal protection, free from illegal arrest for possession of their private property.

Bigoted or corrupt law-enforcement officers, who swear and then break their oath to uphold the Constitution, can no longer turn law-abiding people into revenue streams [read: New Jersey], and single them out for peacefully bearing arms. At least in theory.

Some states have already insisted they will disobey the law.

Don’t Mess With New York’s Gun Laws
Don’t Mess With New York’s Gun Laws

For example, “We will fight any federal action that lets visitors bring guns to our streets,” according to NYC police commissioner James O’Neill and Cyrus Vance, Manhattan D.A., in a self-righteous and self-contradictory guest editorial The Wall Street Journal gave them on 3/23/17. They complained that if the bill passes, “a person could be armed in public without ever having a background check.”

Surely they know — they’ve described every criminal roaming their streets right now! Maybe they don’t know? Can they truly believe this law will invent that? The only change, Messrs. O’Neill and Vance, is that you’ll no longer be able to arrest an armed person who can pass a background check — whether they’ve had one or not! Mere possession of property will no longer be a crime under a boot, Jack. And anyone who tries try it, even without the smug anti-civil-rights attitude flaunted in the Journal, will be subject to penalties (see below).

Falsely harassing a person, or arresting someone for legally peacefully bearing arms — that would become an offense, and the agency committing this violation will be subject to lawsuits and penalties, lawyer bills paid by the agency when it loses. This is good.

The corrupt agencies don’t like this change. They want to continue making false unconstitutional arrests, and demands for your papers, which they refuse to recognize in the first place. That would end.

The police chief and D.A. gripe in their editorial that the burden is entirely on the state to prove your permit is valid. What can you say but tough noogies. Do your jobs. Innocent until proven guilty. It’s a poignant condemnation of their terrible tactics and attitude — self-imposed.

H.R. 38 The Details, cont'd:

Loads Of Components No One Has Mentioned:

Qualified Freedom from Arrest

The statute provides that, if you are carrying and in compliance, you “may not be arrested or detained” for anything related to the firearm. Some dangerous wiggle room would be eliminated if that said “shall not” instead of “may not.” It’s a small point. You do remain subject to arrest while carrying if, “there is probable cause to believe that the person is doing so in a manner not provided for by this section.” That’s a bigger point. It’s not clear what this might encompass, though it seems to say you must be in compliance to be protected. Proper ID is “facially valid” and “prima facie evidence” you are correctly licensed under the law. The protection does not seem to extend to any other violations or offenses (jaywalking while armed?).

They Pay Your Legal Bills

This is to discourage state and local governments from acting against you, first, the prosecution has the explicit burden of proving beyond a reasonable doubt, the highest standard, that you were out of compliance. Next, if you use this law as a defense and the government loses, they must pay your legal bills, a big deterrent to false charges.

You Can Sue

For extra measure, the statute includes a guarantee similar to 42 USC §1983, a right to a private lawsuit against the state, including damages, other relief and legal bills. If you are deprived of any “right, privilege or immunity” secured by this law, using any “statute, ordinance, regulation, custom or usage” of any state, you can sue. This seems to set up a conflict with authorized no-guns signs in section (b)(2): No-gun-zones can be set up, yet you can sue if your rights are denied. The right to sue is only against the government, private zones in section (b)(1) are not mentioned.

Magazines Redefined as Handguns

A new definition of handgun is introduced, only for the purpose of this statute. Redefining terms is always a cause for concern, unexpected results frequently lurk, and this one has several dark corners. Nothing prevents authorities from taking definitions from one place once enacted and using them in other places, “as matters of settled law.

The statute says: ‘‘The term ‘handgun’ includes any magazine for use in a handgun and any ammunition loaded into the handgun or its magazine.” It seems the bill seeks to protect a traveler in an unfriendly jurisdiction, who might be cited just for the magazines or ammo, because in some states, magazines matter, as can ammo type. The gun includes its ammo, but this doesn’t quite say that.

If this passes, a magazine is now a handgun. Possession of a handgun introduces all sorts of complexity, that now starts applying to empty or loaded magazines, complexity skyrockets, rights shrink. The bill says “any magazine for use in a handgun” so any magazine is affected.

Ammo Redefined As a Handgun

Regarding ammo, only ammo loaded into “the handgun” is a handgun for the purpose of this law (loose ammo remains plain old ammo). The implication is ammo loaded into the gun the person carries. And next, ammo loaded into magazines for that handgun, though not necessarily in it, are handguns. If you have a loaded or empty magazine you have a handgun. If you then acquire a matching pistol, do you have two handguns? Is a six-shooter seven guns? Those are the easy problems. Walking past a school zone with an empty magazine would almost violate state versions of the next law.

The Clinton-Era Imaginary Gun-Free-School-Zone Is Quashed

A person who carries a firearm discreetly under the terms of this statute — with a state permit or in a state that doesn’t require one — is not subject to 18 USC §922q, the gun-free-school-zone law. Open carry is not included. The possible combinations leave unresolved questions. For example, is a person with a carry permit from a state without Constitutional Carry, who goes to a Con-Car state, immune to the gun-free-school-zones, or does the bill fail to protect a permittee outside their state of origin?

Other conditions exist, no need to think it further, since the language will likely change in conference.

National Land Assets Are Open To Armed Citizens

A person carrying under the terms of this statute may do so in any public areas of the National Parks, a National Wildlife Refuge, public Bureau of Land Management lands, Army Corps of Engineers land, and Bureau of Reclamation land.

Only Ones: Just Added, Federal Officials Protect Themselves

Only Ones
In Section 104, federal judges can carry sidearms concealed nationally.

They frequently do this, include themselves as a special category instead of being under the same law we are. Without notice or discussion, qualified off-duty and retired law-enforcement officers (QLEOs) rewrite the existing laws to include themselves with special carry privileges, including discharge in school zones (Section 103).

“Dangerously” Armed Judges

In Section 104, federal judges, with no concern for permits, checks, training, ability or anything, as long as they’re not prohibitees, without showing proof, can carry sidearms concealed nationally. These are the very conditions every anti-gun-rights activist is screaming about, for which judges have now given themselves a pass.

Fix NICS (formerly H.R. 4477)

Fix NICS
Fix NICS

National Carry (HR 38) now includes “Fix NICS” It doesn't really fix anything, if “fix” means reduce crime. Maybe just, “the fix is in” since it guarantees an increase in infringements.

H.R. 38, TITLE II — Fix NICS Act*

Added to the bill, page after page establishes conditions that must be met by federal agencies and authorities, to pour names into the NICS system, so agencies can avoid punishment. The rapid growth of NICS becomes another holy grail of the gun-ban movement, an ongoing infringement steamroller with no stop in sight.

Departments and entire agencies will be rated and scored based on how many records they add, why they did or did not add more records, written progress reports must be submitted by category of denials, including some new undefined ones. Efforts to monitor compliance and correct reporting failures are included. The AG must establish plans to “ensure maximum coordination and automated reporting,” with benchmarks. Meeting the goals will consume vast resources and become more important than fighting crime or defending rights and due process.

Punishment

Literally using humiliation as a tool to achieve cooperation, the AG is required to publish the names of agencies that are out of compliance, fail to report adequately, failure to meet goals, have reporting failures or inaccuracies, list their compliance costs and needs assessments, estimate compliance dates and more. Agencies will be hard pressed to comply, fudge reports or be ridiculed with multiple web postings by name and reports to congressional committees for multiple types of failures. Reasons for the failures with breakouts by department are included.

I haven’t seen this tactic in any other federal gun law, and it’s applied against government, but its goal is to increase control over you.

Penalties include no eligibility for bonus pay for political appointees (staff gets paid). It’s not clear if they get the money as back pay after they get back in line, a common and detestable practice that eviscerates the whole idea of penalty. It should be made explicit. Agencies also lose their priority for certain grant money. Vast sums remain available to help them get into compliance.

* THIS IS IMPORTANT. Every two years the AG must assess whether Fix NICS has “resulted in improvements in the system established under this section.” Improvements measured how? It’s not defined.

Based on history, government will rate “improvement” by the speed and growth of the size of NICS database, number of people denied firearm sales regardless of legitimacy (like now, 99% false positives), increased reasons for denial and similar.

TRUE improvement would be decreases in crime, proven disarmament of criminals, arrests of hardened criminals attempting retail purchases, limited false denials, establishment of due process for denials and similar.

The system is not set up to do this. It would typically fail by such measurement. There is no desire, funding or inclination to make NICS do these highly desirable things (fight crime). Real improvement, measured this way is not in the game plan. Improvement should be defined as reducing crime and included.

Dangerous New Undefined Term Introduced : Domestic violence “Records”

A new record collection, funded for and included in the agency humiliation and punishment guidelines, is “domestic violence records.” This is not “misdemeanor convictions for domestic violence” or anything similar, which creates a statutory ban on gun ownership (problematic on its own). Funding is provided to improve efforts to identify and upload such records. The records go to NARIP, the NICS Act Record Improvement Program. Look it up, let me know what it is, and see if it means these undefined files go directly to NICS or not. I can not tell…

Nearly three pages of mind-numbing cross-referenced spending and meddling with existing laws have not been checked by me. Who knows what that might include, such as “increased efforts to pre-validate the contents of those records to expedite eligibility determinations” and “measures and resources necessary to establish and achieve compliance with an implementation plan under section 107 of the NICS Improvement Amendments Act of 2007…” Or this one: “(A) by striking “the Crime Identification Technology Act of 1988 (42 U.S.C. 14601)” and inserting “section 102 of the Crime Identification Technology Act of 1998 (34 U.S.C. 40301)” Three pages worth. https://www.congress.gov/bill/115th-congress/house-bill/38/all-info

Yikes!

 

Oh yeah, Few More Items Added for Good Measure, Like bump stocks.

Indian Tribal Governments Get Attention

A shortened version of the Fix NICS bill is attached as Section 205, under the misleading title “Improving information sharing with the States,” to add Indian tribal governments. It basically sweeps in Indians, under similar conditions described above. An effort to add as many people as possible to the NICS Index is the primary goal of the section. A required assessment to determine if this has “resulted in improvements,” without defining that, is included.

SEC. 205 also requires the NICS system to notify local law enforcement when NICS issues a denial, regardless of the validity of the denial. We know 25% are completely bogus (FBI stats), or false positives, or at least insufficient to bring charges or obtain convictions for anything. Local cops are not required to act — lack of federal authority to require that is well established — but it does tend to set a potential liability if local police get advised of some miscreant and don’t do anything about it. An avalanche of NICS rejects will flood local police and encumber their real work.

Bump Stocks

Ban Bump Fire Gun Parts
Ban Bump Fire Gun Parts

Finally, SEC. 206 requires the AG to issue a report in 180 days on “bump stocks” used in crime, how often they’ve been used in crime, and attempts to define them. The last section, 207, assigns tens of millions of dollars and renumbers things, again, without careful oversight by me, knowing these things will change, and hey, I have only so much tolerance for this. Did you even read this far?

 

Alan Korwin
Alan Korwin

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Hey, thanks for taking the time to research and post all of this information into one place. It’s been very helpful! I just ran across this while I was looking to see exactly where we’re at now with these laws, pertaining to conceal carry permit holders being allowed to carry across state lines yet. Any updates on this? I’ve noticed people sharing news about just the house passing their bill, and people aren’t comprehending that, that does not mean the bill has been fully passed yet and made into law. So I was hoping someone had some information I could… Read more »

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Check out the NRA-ILA website, they probably can answer any question you have on that!

NAC
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NAC

Good to see they are doing something about Tribe law! Worked on the 4th largest reservation as a Police officers for 4 years and saw time and time again of the Tribe no reporting domestic abuse! These had been cases where woman/men where beaten or there children! We had one case where we convicted a guy of domestic abuse beat his girlfriend and child they both moved off the reservation he served his month then went and bought a gun and killed them both! Be nice if the Tribe have to report everything to state or Federal that we that… Read more »

CALPIN
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I think the re defining of magazines and ammo are to prevent places like San Fransisco from arresting you for hollow points which are banned and California from arresting people for “importing” high capacity magazines

Cynicles
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Cynicles

Ammo, magazines and so on will be considered “guns” thus requiring FFL transfers/Fed Background checks.

This law, like most all laws, generates more bureaucracy while increasing TYRANNY and oppression.

RICHARD GARY GOULD
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RICHARD GARY GOULD

THEN THE NRA ASKS MEMBERS FOR MORE MONEY WITH NO RESULTS.

Nottinghill
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Nottinghill

That almost always seems to be the case with NRA!

DrShot
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DrShot

From what I have seen, GOA is far superior.

Big Earn
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Big Earn

If you want legislative results, then fund the NRA-ILA, not the NRA.

UtahCCW
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UtahCCW

This is SO BAD.  Korwin knows not what he has done.  The ammo and magazine being included in the definition of handgun is ABSOLUTELY WHAT WE NEED.  PLEASE, PLEASE FIX YOUR ANALYSIS!! The reason these that magazine and ammo are include with the definition of handgun is specifically to ensure that we will be able to bring magazines with more than 10 rounds into states that have limits.  Don’t you see??  If the law preempts possession related offenses, then the inclusion of the magazine preempts possession related offenses related to magazines.  The same goes for ammo – if you bring hollow point ammo into NJ and… Read more »

ChiefAmmo
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ChiefAmmo

Tend to agree with you here. But it does bring up a good point. If you carry appendix for example with a spare magazine. Use a Smith and Wesson Shield as the example firearm. So, you have the Shield, condition 1, a full 8-round magazine, plus an additional 7-rounder. How many “guns” are you actually carrying? 17 “guns”? Not to mention if you travel to NJ and they are HPs. The bill states that you can not be arrested for carrying “17 guns,” but it doesn’t state that you can’t be detained/still subject for arrest for this “offense.” The way… Read more »

Blake
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Blake

Agreed, Chief Ammo. And if the Clinton Cartel, the Mueller Inquisition, and the Kavanaugh hearings taught us ANYTHING, it is that Leftists will split any hair, take ANY advantage, and even outright break the law- or get a crooked lawyer to “interpret” the law in such a way that you are still maximally inconvenienced and financially broken (and possibly lose your job), even if the Leftists are eventually proven incorrect. It’s good that this bill addresses the problems of “lawfare” to an extent, but what we really need is a ruling from the SCOTUS that says “shall not be infringed”… Read more »

Ironman
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Ironman

You should re read this slowly and comprehend what it’s saying. The article does say that this was the intent of this section of the bill but it is written in such a way that communist states like New York and Commiefornia will pervert the language AS WRITTEN and you will find your self locked up over having an empty magazine. The language MUST be changed so that they CAN NOT pervert the intent of this section of the law.

Cynicles
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Cynicles

Nice to know you read that as a happy scenario. Undoubtedly, cops and prosecutors will agree with your joyful assessment. Nothing ill could possibly come from such merrily written text.

After all, “shall not be infringed” is perfectly clear, certainly no one could misconstrue the intent of such phrase.Strange how HR 38 is trying to gain back some of the infringements and the, no combined, HR 4477 brings in a slew more infringements and bans,

Tyranny Abounds.

Farmer
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Farmer

He is attacking the way it is worded; not the principle.

Cynicles
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Cynicles

What happens in a courtroom?
Verdicts based on “principle” or the “text” (“way it is worded”).

UtahCCW
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UtahCCW

This is SO BAD. Korwin knows not what he has done. The ammo and magazine being included in the definition of handgun is ABSOLUTELY WHAT WE NEED. PLEASE, PLEASE FIX YOUR ANALYSIS!! The reason these that magazine and ammo are include with the definition of handgun is specifically to ensure that we will be able to bring magazines with more than 10 rounds into states that have limits. Don’t you see?? If the law preempts possession related offenses, then the inclusion of the magazine preempts possession related offenses related to magazines. The same goes for ammo – if you bring… Read more »

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TSgt B

To me, personally, this is irrelevant, although I agree that you have done a very good analysis, Mr. Korwin. The reason for my position is that a few years ago, I decided to free myself from the bonds of state SLAVERY, and REFUSE to beg for an unconstitutional “government permission slip” to exercise a Constitutionally protected and AFFIRMED (not GRANTED) RIGHT from my SERVANTS. This, to me, is akin to having to ask the maid if it is OK to have dinner. I also REFUSE to pay TAXES (aka – fees) to exercise said RIGHT. The U. S. Supreme Court… Read more »

Nottinghill
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Nottinghill

I’m with Tsgt B!!! I also have done the same not entirely and completely but legally. Almost zero tax on every purchase be it food or firearms.

James Higginbotham
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James Higginbotham

i also agree with Tsgt B”

B.Zerker
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B.Zerker

You are correct Tsgt B. This was the importance of Scalia’s Heller opinion that the right to keep (own) and bear (carry) arms is a fundamental and individual right that is protected by the U.S. Constitution and Alito’s opinion in McDonald that that right applies to the States. The confirmation of 2A as such a right disqualifies it from being taxed (see: Murdock v. Pennsylvania: 319 US 105) which dictates that: ‘A State may not convert a secured right into a privilege and require a license and/or fee in order for the people to exercise that right freely and unencumbered.’… Read more »

Fred
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Fred

The house bill address 2 issues that are not addressed in the Senate one.
These issues would be gotchas for many who travel in NJ from out of state.

For those from out of state:
Possession of hollow point ammo is a Felony
Possession of a magazine that holds more than 15 rounds is a Felony.

If these conditions are not addressed, reciprocity is worthless.

Ansel Hazen
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Ansel Hazen

A bill like this needs a significant amount of input from those it affects. The sad fact is that Sen Hudson prevents email commentary via his web site even though it affects all of us in the 49 other states.

Nottinghill
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Nottinghill

My input went out to the NRA and Capital Hill weeks ago detailing my displeasure about the all-so-touted new as many have called them (wrongly) PRO-gun bills.

Rob J
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Rob J

That is why magazines and ammo are being defined as a handgun under the bill. If you are legally able to CC your “handgun” in your home state then you can legally carry the same “handgun” in Jersey. I believe there needs to be separation, ie if ammunition and magazines carried are allowed in your home state then they must be treated with the same reciprocity as CC handguns, no matter the amount of each transported or manner in which they are transported. That way you could bring 15 mags and 30 boxes of ammo in your luggage and they… Read more »

Tony Rios
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Tony Rios

Very interesting analysis, the positive out come (I hope) will take many try and error. I wonder how it will affect us in Puerto Rico we have a very control law (404) a relative high % a law enforcement agent are not familiar with CCW. Hope for the best, citizens should be or must be aware of any gun law(new) or amendments to it in their state or teritory. Thanks we will be looking for another analysis.

Pat Hines
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Pat Hines

Excellent analysis.

It is my opinion that the NRA, NSSF, and others are lying about the problems FixNICS will cause. Not only don’t we want FixNICS, we want NICS gone, period.

BJI
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BJI

NEVER HAPPEN, PH!

Nottinghill
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Nottinghill

A crossover redefinition of magazines has occurred and can be in the near future be applied to any and all firearms. And the Lefties will try, says ‘Murphy’.

Ian
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Ian

The bill defines magazines and ammo for a carried/concealed handgun as a handgun in the interests in protecting the person in possession of the firearm. This isn’t a ruling from the BATFE or modifying the GCA in any way, so the “official” definition of a handgun is still the same.

I’ll give you one thing though, it’s an attention-getting measure if you’re in the business of publishing pro-gun articles.

Gordon Matthews
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Gordon Matthews

All of these laws are unconstitutional!! When will we get some legislators that can see that..They took an oath just as I did but they aren’t abiding by it.Isn’t that treason?? Term limits please. Getting rid of all of these unconstitutional laws will free them up to do something worthwhile for our country!!
MERRY CHRISTMAS and a happy new year to you all!!!!
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DaveW
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DaveW

It would seem that “violating ones oath of office at any level (federal, state, local) would be a breach of contract with the voters at the very least. Beyond that, how an oath taker discharges their duties could be “operating outside the law” or “abuse by color of authority”. The CA LtGov just threatened the NRA, and by extension all members thereof, saying that ‘if the NRA does anything bad, we will be coming after ALL your guns’. The communication of a threat by a person with authority, compounded by not applying the act equally since not all members of… Read more »

Vanns40
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Vanns40

My prediction: These combined Bills die, somewhat quietly, in conference, and the NRA says “well, we gave it our best shot (pun intended), got really close and will try again after the midterms”. Assuming, of course, that Republicans still maintain the majority. Of course, with a week or so left I could be wrong.

RICHARD GARY GOULD
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RICHARD GARY GOULD

THEN THE NRA ASKS MEMBERS FOR MORE MONEY WITH NO RESULTS.

DBM
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DBM

Best analysis I’ve seen so far. Thank you!

Dominic Hernandez
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Dominic Hernandez

Does this mean that we will have to do background checks on every magazine and ammo purchase if they will be considered handguns?

Gary Ramey
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Gary Ramey

Great report. thank you.
This bill may create more issues for all of us.
We need to follow this colsely.

Dan the Man
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Dan the Man

I carry an AR-15 pistol with a 30-rd magazine – perfectly legal in my state (also legal to carry a Beta-Mag in the pistol). How would I fit in carrying in NY if this passes?

Tionico
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Tionico

You would likely fit right smack in the centre of the crosshairs of the first, and every subsequent, blue suited government hooh hah who would IMMEDIATELY accost you and do everything he could to make your day miserable. Whether you are in full compliance with all Fed laws, incuding the reciprocity act if passed, would be irrelevant. Of course, if said dirt copper DID manage to do more than detain you for an excruciatinly long time, you would have the clout to come back and sue him and his department, and they’d pay the legal costs… AFTER you’ve had to… Read more »

AKATALCUL1
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AKATALCUL1

LOL. Never heard that one before. But, hey, I won’t judge. Reciprocity doesn’t change any local or state laws (beyond the obvious one; right to carry). If your gun and/or magazine capacity was illegal there before, it’s still illegal. Permit carry reciprocity would be a great start, but you still have 22,000 state and local laws that have to be followed. It’s still a quagmire.

DrShot
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DrShot

Many states have preemption.

ROBERT CLIFFORD
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ROBERT CLIFFORD

put that in laymans terms pros n cons u report we decide

Nottinghill
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Nottinghill

H.Amdt. 493 — 115th Congress (2017-2018) is still unseen and assumable unwritten. Next story pulling the knives from gunowners backs. Painful but necessary tasks.

Nottinghill
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Nottinghill

A ‘GREAT’ analysis Mr. Korwin. I have your back gun orgs have been known to be ‘the knife in your back’ culprits. I wish you would have included coverage of the unwritten amendment in H.R.38.
Where is that fellow that said we weren’t CEDING anything. You know the I’ll go along because it seemingly help my plight type of selfishness.
That’s why I’ve said repeatedly “NO” to H.R.38/H.R.4477. We do not need to pass legislation law because of guilt or sympathetic caused by the unstoppable behavior others in society.
It’s all sheep dip!