Florida Mass Murder Done with 10 Round Magazines

Arizona -(Ammoland.com)- It seems the mass murderer in Florida did not use magazines of a capacity over 10 rounds. This presents a minor difficulty for those who want to ban magazines over 10 rounds.

From miamiherald.com:

The “weapon and bullets were not high quality and were breaking apart,” one of the legislators, state Sen. Lauren Book, D-Plantation, told the Herald.

Cruz went in with only 10-round magazines because larger clips would not fit in his duffel bag, Book said.

Given the general ignorance of reporters on firearms technology, and of  Democrats in general, I would not rely on this information until we have corroboration.  Democrat Representative Lauren Book seems to have experience with child abuse and anorexia (she has written two books).

The only expertise she has exhibited about firearms is that she sponsored a bill to punish parents if a minor obtained a firearm that was not locked up. The bill would have applied the same rules to BB guns or air guns.

We should know soon if only 10 round magazines were used.  The use of 10 round magazines undercuts the drive to outlaw magazines of higher capacity.

Debaters are always able to manufacture hypothetical situations that support their position. Marco Rubio is supposed to have said that the use of 10 round magazines supported the need to ban magazines that hold more rounds.

The reason? Because the mass murder would have been even worse with magazines with greater capacity!  From time.com:

Rubio visited Marjory Stoneman Douglas high school and a few days later met with its teachers. He said he was told that several people were able to escape because 19-year-old suspect Nikolas Cruz stopped and reloaded the rifle he used during the Feb. 14 attack.

The Florida Republican, who was challenged by survivors and family members during a contentious meeting broadcast on CNN on Wednesday, said this is “evidence in this case that it saved the lives of some people.”

We have one of the highest casualty mass murder school shootings in our history, supposedly with 10 round magazines. That is taken to be evidence to ban magazines that hold more than 10 rounds. No matter how bad an event is, a hypothetical can always be made to say it could have been worse.

This is a typical debate tactic for infringements on the Second Amendment. The laws proposed seldom have much to do with the crime being used to push an emotional argument. It is an opportunity to pass legislation that would never pass with calm reflection.

Those who want the public disarmed control most of the national media. If a murderer uses magazines of more than 10 rounds, the push is to ban magazines of more than 10 rounds. If the murderer uses magazines of 10 rounds or less, the push is to ban magazines of more than 10 rounds.

This is Goldilocks gun control. Guns are always too big (.50 cal) too small (concealable) too powerful, not powerful enough, too effective, not effective enough… guns are never “just right”.

Recall the State of New York attempted to ban all magazines that held more than seven rounds, in their infamous “SAFE act”.

People who want the public disarmed have one position. It is guns are bad, and you should not have them.  If you think that is incorrect, ask them what their limit on restrictions would be.

Rifles are used in a tiny amount of murders in the United States. The number of murders with rifles have had an upward blip the last couple of years as the national media has made mass murderers who use semi-automatic rifles into instant celebrities.

Expect little change in the calls for a ban on magazines with a capacity over 10 rounds. Facts do not matter to those pushing for a disarmed population. Facts tend to be impediments to emotional arguments.

Nearly all infringements on the Second Amendment have passed legislatures with little regard for facts.

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Dean Weingarten has been a peace officer, a military officer, was on the University of Wisconsin Pistol Team for four years, and was first certified to teach firearms safety in 1973. He taught the Arizona concealed carry course for fifteen years until the goal of constitutional carry was attained. He has degrees in meteorology and mining engineering, and recently retired from the Department of Defense after a 30 year career in Army Research, Development, Testing, and Evaluation.

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Bob Christensen

Those who argue that the Founding Fathers had no concept of (semi-) auto weapons are opening a can of truly ugly worms. Those great minds had no concept of the Internet, iPhones, iPads, Twitter, etc., either. The First Amendment is no more sacrosanct than the Second, and they would be establishing a very frightening precedent. Guns are the only OBJECTS protected by the Constitution, for good reason: they actually CAN protect the rest of the document. Here’s an idea: just make sure journalists are licensed, purchasing electronic devices requires background checks, and all laptops must be registered. And celebrities (whackos,… Read more »

carl bellia
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carl bellia

this is B.S. president Trump ,,the F.B.I.,, C.I.A…were not there.. Who was?? principal,,students,,teachers,,,35 visits by LOCAL POLICE in 5 years.. they visited him every other month . thrown out of 5 private schools.. seem like a lot of red flags..if I had 5 visits in one year I,d be in jail..Delta Air,,,First Bankcard dropped the N.R.A. . this incident was not the nra,s fault, .he could have done it with a sawed off shot gun,, any one of several semi auto rifles, or two or three handguns..HEH people why are you trying to blame someone else for what you saw… Read more »

P. Edgar
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P. Edgar

It would be nice if somebody could actually CONFIRM whether or not only 10-round magazines were used. As the writer points out, trusting Senator Lauren Book’s firearm’s expertise is foolish, and the same goes for the journalist who wrote the Miami Herald article. All the same, inquiring minds would like to know THE FACTS.

P. Edgar
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P. Edgar

Well, it’s been more than two weeks since the school shooting. DID the shooter use 10-round magazines, or NOT? Why has this not been confirmed one way or the other by now?

Missouri Born
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Missouri Born

I wonder how many people would be put of their jobs if any of these gun laws or magazine laws were put in place?
How bad would this effect the sales tax that the states and federal government receive from the sale of these items?
The proposals that have been made will not solve the problems that the political fools are talking about, this school shooting was another example of law enforcement not doing their jobs,plain and simple!

Jim Macklin
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Jim Macklin

30-40 years ago the Stockton, CA school shooting happened. As I recall there were 5 dead and 29 wounded. The weapon was a GLOCK as I recall. Background checks and California’s 15 day waiting period did nothing to stop the killer. I remember my thought, It was a good thing the killer did not have an H&R Topper and a pouch full of buckshot and there would have been 34 or more dead. Of course the Topper has “automatic ejection” so just open the action, load, close and cock the hammer. Twenty-25 rounds per minute should be possible. Of course… Read more »

John Dunlap
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John Dunlap

This does look like a run up to a complete ban on repeating firearms. I can see the language in my head already: “It shall be illegal to manufacture, possess, or offer for sale any firearm, or any ammunition feeding device or accessory which can make any firearm capable of, expending more than one round in a sixty second period”, followed by a list of exceptions for law enforcement and various government agencies. Now that they have Congress and the President panicked and stampeding back to their destroy America agenda, the Deep State or whatever you want to call it… Read more »

brooks Dunlap
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brooks Dunlap

Frightening thoughts, with which I would like to take issue…but I can not. Do you think that we just worry more as we get older John?

Brooks Dunlap
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John Dunlap
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John Dunlap

What, me worry? And, define “old.” Perhaps it’s just easier to break out of normalcy bias as we gain experience. Are we related, by any chance?

Boz
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Boz

Clip?
collaboration?
It’s corroboration.

Journalism is dead. Or at least writing skills.

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Heed the Call-up

BillyBob, I had read recently that after Maryland instituted their 10-round mag limit, that they were finding more “high”-cap mags at crime scenes. It seems the criminals didn’t get the message that those were double-plus. In Virginia, we are allowed to own “high”-cap mags, but are allowed “only” up to 20 rounds in handguns carried in public (CC or OC), typical standard size mags. We are also a “shall issue” state and also allow OC for all lawful citizens – without needing a document to show government permission. Oddly, we don’t have the issues MD is having. It would appear… Read more »

BillyBob Texas
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BillyBob Texas

Well, let’s ONLY allow 5-rd magazines………….oh, wait………….nevermind…….

Buck Cassidy
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Buck Cassidy

I can see it now. Every thing will be banned! But if you jump through the hoops at the specified height for the exact prescribed time, you might maybe qualify for a single shot .22cal. rifle. If course the waiting time may exceed three years. You know, with all the different background checks and mental health examinations and various waiting periods and tests and……..

24and7
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24and7

The mainstream news media, even Fox News, is lying about this to the public… They claimed yesterday the shooter had 180 rounds of 30 round magazines.. even Fox especially Shepard Smith want gun control..

Laddyboy
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Laddyboy

The “shepard” is a died-in-the-wool-communist leaning STOOGE. He is one of the embarrassments of Fox news.
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Please stop using the incorrect DemocRATic communist party’s language of “large capacity” magazine when referring to a 30 round magazine. The 30 round magazine IS STANDARD capacity magazine for an Armalite 15 Rifle, or more accurately known as a Modern Sporting Rifle.

tomcat
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tomcat

Shep wasn’t too bad till he came out of the closet. Now he rants and raves like a………………. I’ll let you finish the sentence. He definitely dislikes Trump and rails on him whenever he gets a chance. I try not to listen to him anymore.

Jim Macklin
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Jim Macklin

I like Militia Standard Rifle per MILLER 1939.

oldvet
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oldvet

@JM…I like it ! Did you hear Pat Roberts ask to be retired ? He stated he would be for minimum age to purchase a Militia Standard Rifle .

Jim Macklin
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Jim Macklin

Senator Roberts can retire tomorrow and Governor Colyer can appoint me to be Senator until the next election. The M16/AR15 5.56×45 does have its roots in the Pennsylvania/Kentucky squirrel rifle. The old rifle was small bore, typically about 30-32 caliber round ball because lead was expensive. Accuracy was the reason for the popularity of the Kentucky Long Rifle. And most game within 250 miles of the Atlantic didn’t require more gun. As for the British soldier, a small round ball that didn’t kill them quickly still took them out of the battle. Much like the 5.56 today. Of course when… Read more »

oldvet
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oldvet

I should have added , He suggested 25 years of age .

oldvet
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oldvet

@JM …You get my vote !! I’ll be looking for it .

Roy D.
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Roy D.

I heard that Shepard Smith and Don Lemon are an item now. Birds of a feather, that’s feather boa you know.

Wild Bill
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Wild Bill

@RD, Did not know, but it fits.

oldvet
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oldvet

@Heed…AL Gore will be out screaming AIR POLUTION !

Wild Bill
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Wild Bill

@OV, What makes more air pollution is Al Gore out screaming! Regards to Sammy!

Heed the Call-up
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Heed the Call-up

Paarl, if we use black powder, they will then complain that the clouds of smoke makes good cover for the shooter, and ease his/her escape or ability to continue firing without being seen.

stevenmn
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stevenmn

That just presents another argument for those who wish to banish magazine fed firearms of any type. There really was no good reason to supply them with another flag to wave…

Green Mtn. Boy
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Green Mtn. Boy

Well if this is the case it blows the whole ten round capacity delusion the Left pushes as a part of it’s orthodoxy,now the new push will be single shots.

Heed the Call-up
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Heed the Call-up

Green Mtn. Boy, the call for single shot firearms isn’t new, it just isn’t common, knowing that it is ridiculous. As we know, their goal is disarmament, regardless of how they get there.

Richard L
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Richard L

The call will now be for “Single Shot” magazines.

Ozark Muleskinner
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Ozark Muleskinner

Nah, the new call will be for black powder flintlocks. If you truly believe the idiocy that suppressors reduce the sound signature of firearms so much that it impedes law enforcement from finding a shooter, then you have to believe smokeless powder is even worse in this regard. Oh, by the way, no sharp-pointed LEAD pencils either!

Jim Macklin
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Jim Macklin

Even if only single barrel bear action guns such as te H&R Topper and TC Contender were allowed for private ownership the teachers still need to be armed to protect the children.
The teachers need to be armed to protect the children from hatchets, machetes, and pointy screw drivers and rocks.

oldvet
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oldvet

Full Auto Single Shot Assault Rifles !

Heed the Call-up
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Heed the Call-up

old vet, I need to get one of those! All I have in a long gun is my great-grandfather’s muzzle-loading double-barreled shotgun.

Green Mtn. Boy
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Green Mtn. Boy

@ Heed the Call-up

Correct, the same crowd that insist the 2 nd. amendment was for muskets only,meanwhile they are arguing for restrictions of Liberty on their I phone,Rich.

oldvet
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oldvet

IF they want to say the second is only for muskets , wouldn’t it follow that muskets are the only thing that could be restricted ?