Open Carry Leads to Conversation on Freedom with a Chinese Immigrant

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U.S.A.-(Ammoland.com)- Open Carry often leads to interesting conversations. An ethnic Chinese emigrant approached me as I was openly carrying, as I often do during my daily activities. I will not identify the woman, who is an acquaintance. The reasons will become obvious.

She started by asking me if I had been dove hunting. I said I had. She asked if I had been successful. I said I had. It was the start to a conversation on geopolitics, an opening, a subtle approach to ask about gun control in the United States.

The lady knows almost nothing about guns, United States gun laws, or even guns in China. She knows a good bit about Chinese governmental authority, Chinese cultures, and how governmental power is exercised in China. She has family there. She is multi-lingual.

To illustrate her ignorance about guns, she asked if I used the small one (the pistol on my hip) to hunt doves or a big one. We are all ignorant, just about different things. She knows far more about Chinese cultures than I ever will; I know far more about guns and American gun culture. I explained a bit about shotguns and ballistics.

As the conversation progressed, it became clear she wanted to understand about American gun laws, and American gun culture.

She asked how many guns I had; I answered with a non-specific reference to past numbers.

She said an American told her he owned over a hundred guns. She said people in China did not have guns. They were not allowed to have guns. She asked if I was aware of what was happening in Hong Kong.  I said I was. She showed me pictures of protesters in Hong Kong.

I told her Americans had the most guns in the world, over 400 million. We have more guns than people, and while there are millions of illegal guns in China, the Chinese government worked hard to keep the Chinese unarmed, as did most governments in the world.  The illegal guns in China (about 50 million) are a fraction of the guns legally owned by Americans.

She asked, “why do Americans have so many guns?”

I told her when the United States was created, we were able to do so because we were armed. We broke away from the British Empire about the time the British were importing opium into China.

When we created our founding documents, we included a guarantee the government would not disarm the people.  I told her people who have the guns make the rules. In America, the people have guns. In America, the government is to be the servant of the people, the people are not the servant of the government. In America, the government does not tell the people what the people need, the people tell the government what the government may do.

In America, people have guns to defend themselves from other people, and to keep limits on government power.

We agreed America was unique in its guarantee of the right to have guns. America is unlike China. America has a robust guarantee of property rights. The Chinese government was founded on the idea that property is theft, and that all property, ultimately, belongs to the government.

The lady said she could not discuss such things in China. In China, much money goes into the pockets of government officials. She said she had to be very careful what she said because she wished to be able to visit China.

She asked what the maximum number of guns a person was allowed to have in the United States.

I told her, there is no maximum number. There is no maximum amount of ammunition that may be owned. I told her a friend of mine, who recently died, had over a hundred guns and a hundred thousand rounds of ammunition in his estate. I used hyperbole to make the point: how many thousands of guns do you want, I asked? I will help you order them. You do not need government permission to own guns in the United States.

She did not ask for any guns. I told her I hoped the protestors in Hong Kong would accept a political settlement where they kept the rights they currently have.  I said many important members of the Chinese government have hundreds of millions, billions, of dollars in Hong Kong. Those members do not want the Chinese government to take control over Hong Kong, because their funds would no longer be safe from confiscation.

She ended the conversation by saying she was very, very happy she was living in the United States, and not in China.

I have had many conversations with people from other countries about guns and the Second Amendment.

One of the most memorable happened 30 years ago, in Panama. A Panamanian asking for food, during the Noriega difficulties (just before the U.S. invasion), talked about gun confiscation in Panama and other Central American countries. It will never happen in the United States, he said. “The Rifle Association will not allow it”.

Americans' access to arms is envied around the world.


About Dean Weingarten:Dean Weingarten

Dean Weingarten has been a peace officer, a military officer, was on the University of Wisconsin Pistol Team for four years, and was first certified to teach firearms safety in 1973. He taught the Arizona concealed carry course for fifteen years until the goal of constitutional carry was attained. He has degrees in meteorology and mining engineering, and recently retired from the Department of Defense after a 30 year career in Army Research, Development, Testing, and Evaluation.

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    Rowboat
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    Rowboat

    If every member of GOA and/or NRA bought a gift Membership for a friend, relative or spouse, it would double the membership roles of both organizations.
    Even if those who were given a membership chose not to renew, they would have exposure to “ our side “ of the gun discussion.
    I suspect that a goodly portion of those new members WOULD re-up their subscriptions, thereby increasing an otherwise static Membership we now have.

    ras52
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    ras52

    Dean, thanks for educating her on our gun rights. Now, if only I could hit doves with the “small gun”.

    tomcat
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    tomcat

    Illegals go for the democrats because they come here for the free stuff. Then they think this country is not running the way it should. Before they left their home country it was ingrained in them what life was supposed to be like so they try to change the country of free to what they left but they got no free there.

    24and7
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    24and7

    As soon as a legal immigrant becomes naturalized citizen , the first thing they should do is go out and buy a firearm, to exercise their second amendment… As a matter of fact, that should be one of the biggest outreaches of ALL gun rights groups, namely the NRA, to reach out to get those people as new members.. millions of potential new members that came from oppression…millions of new members that will do their best to follow the law …just like the rest of us members… pretty soon you’re going to say a lot of people migrating to this… Read more »

    Heed the Call-up
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    Heed the Call-up

    As a rep of a rights group I attend gun shows regularly. I have spoken with a number of people that were new citizens or in the process or obtaining resident alien status. They all wanted to own firearms because in the USA they can. A couple did not yet have resident alien status, so were still disbarred the right, but they knew that and wanted to learn as much as they could for when they did get that right.

    Charlie Foxtrot
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    Charlie Foxtrot

    I have made it a general practice to talk to each new Permanent Resident at work about the rights they now have, including thier gun rights. It is important not to come off as a gun nut, but as the friendly colleague. I typically invite them for a range day. Some legal immigrants want to visit a range and shoot guns even before becoming a Permanent Resident.

    Boomer
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    Boomer

    The rest of the world wants to be more “American”, yet these ungratefully spoiled, America-hating, progressive elitist idiots, use the “rest of the world” as examples of what America should be turned into?! Makes PERFECT sense, right? Riiiiight… When the rest of the world envies and fights for their countries, in the hopes of being able to attain more American liberties and freedoms, why are all these democrats and liberal sjw asshats, time after time after time, attempting to model after, and turn America into, what all these other countries are feverishly trying to get rid of, and replace with,… Read more »

    tetejaun
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    tetejaun

    As Mao said “All political power comes from the barrel of a gun”. That was about the time he murdered 30 million unarmed Chinese.

    Will Flatt
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    Dean, you touched on a fundamental difference between a free people and unfree countries. In socialism/marxist/communist countries, “property is theft”.

    In a free nation, TAXATION IS THEFT, something that you will hear from a libertarian on any given day of the week!

    tetejaun
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    tetejaun

    Whine all you want, until conservatives start voting, nothing will ever change.
    In 2016 only 43% of conservatives voted. So, the 57% were drinking beer & eating Cheetos? In 2018, it was 37% of conservatives voted. Those 63% were just too busy tapping on the phones they are addicted to, to vote for freedom?
    Do YOU go door to door and canvass votes?
    Do YOU hand out flyers on gun rights?
    Do YOU do ANYTHING except complain?

    Will Flatt
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    No, I walk the walk. You however seem to be a true keyboard commando, LOL. Conservatives are asleep, IMHO. We’re not going to vote our way out of tyranny, by the way. It’s gonna take something much harsher than the artificial reality that so many people are (as you allude to) addicted to…

    Baldwin
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    Baldwin

    “The Rifle Association will not allow it”. Just not true. The NRA is not gonna do a damn thing that does not involve giving up more of our RTKBA. Because that is what they have always done, what they will always do. They can’t help themselves. Like politicians they have/will always work for themselves.

    Will
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    Will

    @@Baldwin,esp.as long as POS LaPierre is at the NRA !

    tetejaun
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    tetejaun

    You would be totally disarmed now if the NRA had not opposed these communist democrats.
    If your brain were as large as your mouth, would the great man you’d be.

    Baldwin
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    Baldwin

    Q:What part of “…shall not be infringed…” does the NRA leadership not understand?
    A:All of it.

    FORD Will
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    FORD Will

    JOIN the GUNOWNERS OF AMERICA.~~~~IMO. I am Life of BOTH NRA & GOA.

    gearjammer
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    gearjammer

    I see antigun ads on tv all the time, with all the money the NRA gets each year you would think they could have informative ads all year long and not just at election time. We are loosing the battle to lies and brainwashing from the left more and idiots are buying into the all gun owners are bad agenda.