Sol Invictus Arms Statement Regarding AA-12 Shotguns and the ATF Recall

A statement about the ATF's letters to seize the Semi-Auto AA-12’s produced by BC Engineering.

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USA – -(AmmoLand.com)- The various letters in question have been sent since at least April of 2019. We have a record of ATF notifying owners of AA-12 Shotgun’s and collecting them since that time. These AA-12 Shotgun’s were not manufactured by Sol Invictus Arms.

To date, Sol Invictus Arms has not produced a single AA-12 for civilian sale precisely because of the ongoing ATF investigation.

We are hoping that the following backstory can provide more transparency on the situation for all those interested.

First, a little history, Jerry Baber of Military and Police Systems, Inc. and Boje Cornils of BC Engineering both held ownership of the AA-12 Shotgun. Their shops are separate and many miles apart from each other.

My company Sol Invictus Arms wanted to purchase the AA-12 shotgun to produce both the full auto version and the semi-auto version. We made repeated offers to Jerry Baber to purchase all of the molds and tooling, and CAD/CAM files that he possessed for the shotgun as we originally thought he was the sole owner. He repeatedly gave us a ridiculous price for the design, tooling and molds and when we asked to see all the blueprints and CAD files for both the full-auto and semi-auto versions he said he didn't have those and the semi-auto version was a waste of our time. He said that German guy Boje had that. We asked about contacting Boje and Jerry refused to provide his contact information.

We then did some research and found BC Engineering and Boje Cornils. He explained that he was a partner of Jerry's and that he had designed a closed bolt semi-auto version of the AA-12 and that Jerry wanted nothing to do with it. When we asked more about how he and Jerry worked together, Boje told us that he did the engineering to make the full auto version work after Jerry had purchased the plans from Max Atchison the original designer of the shotgun who had never built anything other than a wooden prototype. He also explained that he was the only person to ever build an AA-12 either in full auto or semi-auto. That he was the sole owner of the Patent on the AA-12 gas system and that all Jerry had was the tooling and molds which Boje had in fact manufactured for Jerry. We then inquired about purchasing the designs and patents for the AA-12 from BC Engineering. We worked out a price to purchase all the designs and the entire BC Engineering shop. Upon completion of the sale, BC Engineering closed their business and turned in their FFL Logbooks to the ATF, as is standard practice when an FFL closes. This is how the ATF has found the owners of the Semi-Auto AA-12’s that were purchased from BC Engineering.

As you can imagine that did not sit well with Jerry Baber. We even went back to Jerry and made what we felt was a fair offer for all of the tooling and molds. I can't repeat the response that we received.

It was then that Jerry decided he was going to cause some trouble for Boje and Sol Invictus Arms. He called the ATF and claimed that the semi-auto shotgun was easily converted to full auto.

This led to an investigation related to the AA-12. And Jerry I believe got more than he bargained for. It seems in the beginning of Boje and Jerry's relationship Boje asked if he needed any special licensing to produce the shotguns. Boje was told by Jerry that none was needed as he was working under his license. So for several years, Boje manufactured AA-12 full-auto machine guns in his shop without a license or an SOT. But Jerry proceeded to enter the shotguns in his gun book and form 2 as though he manufactured them. Later Boje did get the proper licensing however he never got a marking variance to produce these guns for Military and Police Systems and Jerry continued to enter them in his gun book and form 2’s as though he had manufactured them.

Boje also manufactured approximately 22 AA-12’s using full auto receivers but only firing in semi-auto. These were marked as being manufactured by BC Engineering and sold for between $5,000 and $7,500. To our knowledge, these are the AA-12’s referenced in all the of ATF’s actions refenceed this article by AmmoLand News.

All of this as you can imagine led to a criminal proceeding. This has been going on for over a year. During that time, we had a semi-auto AA-12 taken by the ATF and sent to the technical branch for review as part of the criminal investigation. This shotgun has never been returned to us, even though we have a SOT for full auto weapons. It was determined that the semi-auto that we owned as well as the estimated 22 others were built on a frame/receiver that was originally made for a full auto AA-12. In the eyes of the ATF once a receiver is full auto it is always full auto. Therefore, this is why the letters have gone out to turn in the “semi-auto” AA- 12's that exist.

Now as far as the talk about the AA-12 semi-auto shotgun being easily converted to full auto.

First, the semi-auto fires from a closed bolt not an open one like the full auto version. The fire control group has no common parts between the two models. Second, the receiver hole pattern and orientations are different between the Full-Auto and Semi-Auto models. The next thing, is that it takes 8 different parts or changes to go to a full-auto version. Parts that would have to be manufactured from scratch using proprietary knowledge of the parts in question. Therefore, I can confidently tell you it is far easier to make an AR-15 full auto than an AA-12.

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AA-12 Shotgun

As far as the difficulties that Sol Invictus Arms has faced producing the semi-auto version. We were advised once all of the legal proceedings started with Boje to wait for the rulings that would be issued by the ATF before proceeding. The ATF said that while we are not in any jeopardy ourselves that it would be wise to wait for all the criminals matters to be resolved. And even once that is done, we will need to build a semi-auto AA-12 and register it with the ATF as a machine gun and send it to the technical branch for review. This is after we have had no less than 6 ATF agents and technical inspectors in our shop that have all stated that it is not easily converted.

Here is the biggest problem that we face with all of this.

Because the ATF took our only semi-auto AA-12 we are having to hand-make every part for this gun to be able to send the technical branch their sample. The cost of molds and fixtures to produce this shotgun in quantity is over $500,000 dollars. While we had started working on many of the molds and fixtures, we stopped once the criminal action began.

We have already spent well over $750,000 dollars in the acquisition and additional engineering that has been done. We feel confident that we can produce a semi auto version that will be approved by the ATF, as we have even received some guidance from them to do so. It is just the time it takes to produce a prototype to send them is quite long.

I hope this provides some clarity on the ATF notice that has been circulating recently. I would also like to clarify that, in contrast to what I have read in some reports, our phone lines are not disconnected at all however we did experience some power outages as a result of the passing storm Tuesday into Wednesday. I am actively working now to provide these details to the media contacts that have reported on the matter.

Sincerely

Mike Conn
President
Sol Invictus Arms


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    Circle8
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    Circle8

    Why would anyone expect the ATF to use common sense? They are a knee jerk organization from 1968 and their actions at Waco and gun running to the Mexican Cartels proved there is a lack of brains within the agency.

    pigpen51
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    pigpen51

    At least this ethical owner was decent enough to step up and address the issue. Many times you see some owners in various industries try to hide or obfuscate the facts of their intentions. Sadly, even in the firearms industry it happens. I myself have no use for such a weapon, but I feel like those that do should be allowed to have that option.
    As an aside, the extreme cost to bring a new firearm to market, just to satisfy the BATFE rules, is punitive, and needs to be addressed at some point.

    Wild Bill
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    Wild Bill

    @pigpen, I agree with everything you wrote, except the “allowed” part. The government does not allow us our civil rights.

    Michael Z. Williamson
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    Michael Z. Williamson

    Go ahead and build a full auto then, and show it to the ATF, informing them they have no say in your rights.

    I certainly agree that they should NOT have any say. But the reality is that they do.

    Tionico
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    Tionico

    Tpical MO of government agencies:

    come in swinging the biggest baddest club you can carry, then once everyone is laid out on the floor, calmly walk about and begin asking a few irrelevant questions.
    Whatever happened to the innocent before proven guilty thing? How about the accused being able to examine those bearing witness against them?

    Not one word in our Constitution provides one shred of authority to FedGov to meddle, control, pontificate, rule, restrict, or have anything to do with Alcohol, Tobacco, or Firearms. WHY do these overpaid pigheaded cowboys even exist?

    Wild Bill
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    Wild Bill

    @Tio, there is some very convincing speculation that immediately after prohibition was repealed, the government had lots of prohibition agents that were about to be unemployed. That would have been bad for FDR, so FDR had his Treasury Secretary write a memo creating the BATF.
    That memo is still the basis for BATFE’s existence, today. That memo, and that existence, could be cancelled with merely another memo.

    Will Flatt
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    Yet more proof we need a 2nd American Revolution.

    Wesman78
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    Wesman78

    Everyone needs to start asserting their rights loudly and proudly again as proud patriots of these united states! We can no longer allow our government to go UN challengened, and allow them to intimidate us! We can no longer allow them to drag us into their maritime law court rooms under their bull$#it gold fringe flag where they don’t respect our constitutional rights! The courts belong to the people, not to the government!

    Will Flatt
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    They can still impose tyranny upon you with a proper flag in the room and continue to disregard your Rights. The illegitimacy of this regime comes from their criminal actions, not the adornments. This is why we must revitalize the well-regulated militias of the several states.

    Wesman78
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    Wesman78

    Unfortunately you are right, they can,and they do, but we need to call attention to it everywhere, and every time it happens as the Bundy’s, and Hammond’s have. We need to challenge and make them prove their so called “authority” in these matters (which they don’t have.)

    Michael Z. Williamson
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    Michael Z. Williamson

    The fringe on the flag is irrelevant. Nor, if it was, would you have any say in the matter.

    In fact, you can even get a gold-fringed Gadsden flag.

    But Admiralty law has nothing to do with the fringe on a flag.

    Rock R
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    Rock R

    Wow !!! $5 k to $7500 !!!! Well no wonder 22 of them have been sold… If I give up eating for the next ten years I might be able to afford to look at one…. (Not touch, just Look !!!)

    Wild Bill
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    Wild Bill

    Dear Mr. Conn, Keep the shotgun. How much for the girl?

    MajorMike
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    MajorMike

    Human trafficking, yeah that’s funny.

    Wild Bill
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    Wild Bill

    @majordick, Yes, I see your point. There is no humor in socialism.

    Neanderthal75
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    Neanderthal75

    Kill yourself and everyone else a favor, Borrow, rent, or by yourself a sense of frigging humor will you?

    We get enough of that social justice politically correct crap from the left as it is, why do you bother adding to it?

    His post was obviously in jest, so why don’t you just chill?

    Will
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    Will

    @nea,why don’t you mind your own business ?

    Ej harbet
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    Ej harbet

    Twas a joke not a penis,dont take it so hard.
    And she is a lovely lady,i wonder if her and that gun made that pile of emptys?

    pigpen51
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    pigpen51

    I bet the gun is cheaper. The girl has much more value.

    Michael Z. Williamson
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    Michael Z. Williamson

    Yes, but the gun will be worth more in 50 years, and she’ll be worn out.

    24and7
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    24and7

    Next on the chopping block…all ar, ak and other pistols with braces will become short barrel rifles..just wait and see.. if Trump gets re-elected he will surprise everyone when strict gun control… all he wants to do is get re-elected then he will flip..

    Dave C
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    Dave C

    If you are trying to convince gun owners to vote Dem for their protection, it Ain’t happening!

    Will Flatt
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    Your TDS is showing.

    Michael Z. Williamson
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    Michael Z. Williamson

    The same Trump that banned bumpfire stocks with a memo, “doesn’t like” suppressors, supports red flag laws and licensing?

    If you’re under the delusion he cares ANYTHING for the 2A, YOU have the TDS.

    Will Flatt
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    In other words, because he burned us on bump stocks (everything else being cheap talk), you’re willing to throw him under the bus and allow the Demonrats to come in and take over. That’s some serious 24-D chess you got going there.

    Will
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    Will

    @WF,we will find out real soon (everything else being cheap talk) about what else Trump doesn’t like and wants to ban. Just how forgiving are you willing to be with Trump ? If the survival of the United States of America comes down to one man only,Donald Trump,we are fucked. PS I’m a Trump supporter too !

    Will Flatt
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    You’re taking what I said and folding in on itself, illogical. I’m saying that actions – not words – are what counts. At present, he has only 1 strike on him, and that’s the bumpstocks. Everything else is noise. Until he actually does something else, he’s still only got one strike against him, which is still far less than what the Demonrats have already done and would do again. You tell me how the Dems are better than Trump??? Because if the Dems get in next year, they will go directly to full confiscation and summary executions of all who… Read more »

    Wesman78
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    Wesman78

    We just need to remind him, and our representatives that trying to pursue gun control will result in them losing their reelection campaign!

    Michael Z. Williamson
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    Michael Z. Williamson

    As you can see above, questioning Trump’s gun control push gets you called a “RINO” and “TDS.” They’ll vote for him even if he issues a memo that AR-15s are machine guns.

    Warthog71
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    Warthog71

    Hello? Mike Conn?
    We are constantly forced to play defense with these Demand-O-crat Liberals. Saying stuff like, “…Therefore, I can confidently tell you it is far easier to make an AR-15 full auto than an AA-12”
    Think of the headlines…
    “CEO Mike Conn states, “…”

    Wake Up!

    Lee
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    Lee

    This clears up a lot of questions and hopefully prevents further speculation on how the owners were identified. However, it identifies a serious problem. The government receiving the logs with individual identification included still creates a registry. The solution, in my opinion, has two components. The first is that, when a circumstance occurs that requires giving ATF logs, the personally identifiable information must be purged before it comes into possession of the government. The second is, in those situations where ATF or other government entity has a legitimate need for the individual information, that individual must be identified to the… Read more »

    Unlicensed Bozo
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    Unlicensed Bozo

    I see the girl,but where is the gun?

    24and7
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    24and7

    The ATF (assholes taking firearms) has become the fifth branch of government..the 4th is the news media..

    Donttreadonme
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    Disband the ATF!

    Ej harbet
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    Ej harbet

    In a truly free nation alcohol tobacco and firearms would be the name of a fine establishment selling adult beverages and guns with a cigar lounge included! Alas.

    CourageousLion
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    CourageousLion

    Funny thing…the other day I was looking for the justification for the ATF in the US Constitution and couldn’t find any. As a matter of fact I came across a good reason to DISBAND that burofratcies. Four words…SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED.

    Wild Bill
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    Wild Bill

    @CL, it is under Congress’ taxing power.

    Truth
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    Truth

    Many years ago I was involved with a group who had extensively researched the irs. The irs is NOT a government agency. It was created and chartered in Delaware in 1938 to be the “collection” agency of the “Federal” Reserve Bank much as the company “Federal Express” has nothing to do with the federal government. Words are meant to confuse and disillusion us. The group found the irs gets their so-called “authority” through the BATF. What is most fascinating is all documents the irs holds on anyone falls into only a few categories; alcohol, tobacco or firearms. The files held… Read more »

    Wild Bill
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    Wild Bill

    @T, With all due respect, I’m sure that all those errors are due to the many years that have gone by since your research. Perhaps a simple review of the history of IRS, Dept of Treas, and the Fed. Reserve would refresh your memory.

    Wesman78
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    Wesman78

    Does it matter? The ATF, IRS, and the Federal Reserve are just as unlawful, and unconstitutional now as they were then, along with a whole bunch of alphabet soup agencies!

    Michael Z. Williamson
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    Michael Z. Williamson

    Please furnish this “Research,” since the authorizing documents for these agencies are readily available in the Congressional Record, and there are people alive who remember their creation.

    Will Flatt
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    The Court has already ruled that government cannot tax a Right; and that a citizen can ignore the tax and exercise the Right anyway.

    Will
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    Will

    Oh yeah,did you notice the firearm she’s holding ?

    Donttreadonme
    Member

    What firearm?

    Huapakechi
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    Huapakechi

    I want to see a video clip of her shooting that shotgun.