Connections: the U.N. Arms Trade Treaty to the ATF Form 4473

Opinion –

ATF Changes Form 4473
ATF Changes Form 4473

USA – -(AmmoLand.com)- The Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives (ATF) is proposing a revision to their ATF Form 4473 ((5300.9) last Revised October 2016). The revision poses an interesting question:

“Is the Federal Government, via the ATF Form 4473, desiring to create a future firearms list, or database, of firearm owners?”

We need to discuss this because in the past lists have often been utilized to confiscate civilian firearms.

First, a little background.

From the first moment in October 1995, when Dr. Oscar Arias called upon his fellow Noble Laureates to promote an international agreement regulating the trade in conventional arms, until today with the current invocation of the U.N. Arms Trade Treaty (ATT), the difficulty of acquiring lists of weapons has been a constant complaint.

And how does one obtain such lists? By simply acquiring hidden information. However, information regarding weapons possession can be damaging to both countries and individuals, and so such information is not easily made public.

Yet, these lists are very important to the functioning of the ATT. U.N. Globalists need to know where exactly all Small Arms and Light Weapons (SALW) are, at any given moment of the weapon’s life cycle, from manufacture to destruction, if they hope to prevent violence.

Here in the United States, a part of these Cradle-To-Grave Lists already exists. Legally, the Manufacturer must create lists of all weapons they make and sell. The Distributors must create lists of all weapons they received and sell. And finally, the Dealers must create lists of what they acquire and sell.

But, as of this time, these lists are not directly connected, or at least they are not supposed to be.

One of the most insidious parts of the U.S. list procedure is the ATF Form 4473, the U.S. Department of Justice Firearms Transaction Report that the Dealer and Buyer are required to fill out. Up to the revision of October 2016, the form acquires the Buyer’s information and attestation questions (Section A), the type of firearm and certifying information (Section B), NICS information (Section C), and firearms description information (Section D). This form remains with the dealer for the next 20 years.

It is important at this juncture to note that the ATF, at any time, can review the Dealer’s 4473s. The review can be an audit of the Dealer, a firearms trace, or anything else that they want. And the ATF have been known to copy, photograph, and take 4473s, supposedly for valid reasons, such as criminal investigations, while some ATF agents take 4473 information, just because they can.

Are they creating lists? Possibly, and thus abusing the system.

This brings us to today’s question of whether or not the U.S. government desires to create a future firearms List or Database. It is the opinion of the authors, in light of past history and of the recent Democratic Socialism push, that the answer is a resounding YES!

United Nations Gun Control
United Nations Gun Control

One of the proposed revisions is to change Form 4473 by moving Section D (Firearms Description) to Section A (Buyer’s information), and moving the current Section A to Section B. Now all the relevant information is on one, front page. You can review the proposed Revised Form 4473 here.

This seemingly benign revision would facilitate the collection of the needed information. And with a simple handheld scanner device, the job becomes VERY simple for an agent in the field.

Though we know that on April 26, 2019, at the NRA Annual Meeting, President Donald Trump announced that the United States will be withdrawing its signature on the ATT. And we know that at that meeting, President Trump signed an Executive Order (EO), to do this, right on the NRA stage.

But EOs are temporary. They can easily be overturned by the next President, or the next, or the next. And you can bet that the NEXT Democratic Socialistic President will override it, and all of Trump’s EOs.

It is not in the best interest of our Constitution for anyone to get that information.

U.S. civilians own about 400 million of the estimated one billion total global small arms. That’s somewhere around 40% of all the global small arms.

So whoever has a list of those U.S. civilians who own weapons and where they live, whether it be the UN or the US government, controls some pretty valuable information.

One can assume that the U.N. globalists want this list, but the U.S. Democrat party socialists want it first.

Folks, we need to fight this annoying stuff.

Call you Senators and President Trump, and KILL THIS ATF FORM 4473 REVISION.



About the Authors:

Alan J Chwick has been involved with firearms much of his life and is the Retired Managing Coach of the Freeport NY Junior Marksmanship Club. He has escaped New York State to South Carolina and is currently an SC FFL & Gunsmith (Everything22andMore.com). [email protected] | TWITTER: @iNCNF

Joanne D Eisen, DDS (Ret.) practiced dentistry on Long Island, NY. She has collaborated and written on firearm politics for the past 30+ years. She has also escaped New York State but to Virginia. [email protected]

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TNJEWBOY
4 months ago

We need to get the US out of the UN and get the UN out of the US.

The House of Representatives must cut back the BATFE’s funding to a point where it can ONLY collect taxes on tobacco and alcohol.

Tionico
Tionico
4 months ago

Regarding Section D of the 4473. there is only ONE possible reason this entire section exists and that is to provide the basis for creating a registry. The underlying EXCUSE for the entire NICS/Background check system is to check the PERSON acquiring the firearm to assure that PERSON can lawfully possess firearms. WHICH arms he desires to possess is of no consequence. If he can’t own a Barrett Fifty he can’t own a single shot .22 short Derringer. Or anything in between. What does it MATTER what he is buying, unless it is to create a master list? WHY can’t… Read more »

Wild Bill
Wild Bill
4 months ago
Reply to  Tionico

Tio, It would take just one Constitution honoring judge to abolish the entire GCA.

StLPro2A
StLPro2A
4 months ago

Just an observation…..reticle black contrasts well with UN Blue..

Will Flatt
Will Flatt
4 months ago

THIS is the kind of writing that Little Quisling Harold should be writing, but can’t because he’s a worthless hack. Kudos to the authors for laying out clearly what I’ve suspected since I learned the details of the ATT.
If you want more hard-hitting wrting like this, we need to boot Harold to make room for better writers. Just sign the petition & get everyone you know on social media to do the same. http://chng.it/Sjs8VzLz

Will Flatt
Will Flatt
4 months ago
Reply to  Will Flatt

Check out the latest, he’s right on the edge of reverting to form. Then read my remarks, #2 in the comments. https://www.ammoland.com/2020/02/below-the-radar-protecting-communities-and-preserving-the-second-amendment-act/

StWayne
StWayne
4 months ago

It’s guys like you who give me hope that all is not lost. Thank you.

KK
KK
4 months ago

It’s a tried and true system – in NYC EVERY firearm is registered. As they declare them to be illegal, the personal letter is sent: Our records indicate you are in possession of a firearm that is now illegal – you have 30 days to surrender it to law enforcement or provide proof it has been disposed of outside the jurisdiction. State “assault weapon bans” had no such list to work off of – non-compliance was rampant, and the state had no recourse. They NEED the list to confiscate – they KNOW IT – and will do whatever it takes… Read more »

Will Flatt
Will Flatt
4 months ago
Reply to  KK

Exactly!!

KK
KK
4 months ago

“One can assume that the U.N. globalists want this list, but the U.S. Democrat party socialists want it first.”
THEY ARE ONE AND THE SAME, WORKING TO THE SAME ENDGAME AGENDA!

BrainMatters
BrainMatters
4 months ago

There is nothing United about the United Nations. Both Senators from my state have been contacted on this subject. Thanks for the update.

AJChwick
4 months ago
Reply to  BrainMatters

Glad to have been of service, on this. Joanne and I have followed the UN ATT closely, for many years, so this ATF proposed item literally jumped out at us.

Wild Bill
Wild Bill
4 months ago
Reply to  Doszap

@USA, Shhhhh …. It is hard to recruit live targets.

Lou
Lou
4 months ago

Get the US out of the UN & the UN out of the US!!!

joefoam
joefoam
4 months ago

We know how bad it is for the gov’t to have this info, but it will certainly be obtained by anti-gun activists who will use it to harass owners.

PAF145
PAF145
4 months ago

It is time is time to remove the U.N. from our land -by whatever means necessary

RJL
RJL
4 months ago
Reply to  PAF145

Hear, Hear!…I second that motion…

Will Flatt
Will Flatt
4 months ago
Reply to  PAF145

ABSOLUTELY!!

Terry
Terry
4 months ago

Then indict Holder and others for Fast and Furious!

Some guy
Some guy
4 months ago

If you don’t already have multiple weapons, bought second hand without 4473’s, or built yourself from scratch or 80%, put away in places as unconnected to you as possible, you’re an idiot.

StWayne
StWayne
4 months ago
Reply to  Some guy

Once these liberals take it upon themselves to come for your gun, you only need one. If you are too chicken-hearted to engage these jack-booted thugs when they come for you, then you’re to chicken-hearted no matter how many guns you have stashed around the house. The time to make up your mind where you stand on all this is now. Otherwise, it’ will be too late, and you too unprepared, when they show up at your doorstep during a predawn raid. I never, and I mean ever, answer my door unarmed. Once I see who it is, a “give… Read more »

StWayne
StWayne
4 months ago
Reply to  StWayne

Can you imagine had the Patriots of 1776 felt this way? I shutter to think we would all be drinking tea and bowing before the Queen. I was once conversing with someone from the UK during a photo contest over a photo I titled “The Queen’s Jewels,” which was in all actuality a closeup shot of some of the most beautiful eyes I had ever seen. That person told me because the contest was being held in the UK (which it was) my photo would never be given any consideration (which it wasn’t.) Not because it wasn’t a great picture… Read more »

Deplorable Bill
Deplorable Bill
4 months ago

U.S.A. I wish there was a way you could get that info into the main stream news and the papers. I judge right from wrong based upon Judeo/Christian Scripture; The BIBLE. Nothing changes there, the whims and laws of mankind do not effect the truth. The atfe is criminal and treasonous by nature. A pet rattle snake is a beautiful tool of nature but there are idiots that worship them and keep them as pets. I would not recommend someone let once loose in their home with children. Sooner or later the nature of the snake will take it’s due… Read more »

Deplorable Bill
Deplorable Bill
4 months ago

I don’t know how anyone could have faith in the judicial system, the F.B.I., the A.T.F.E., the C.I.A., the I.R.S, the N.S.A. etc? All of that was before I watched the above video. The video just adds fuel to the fire to come. Most of us have some idea how corrupt the government is. Still, thank you for bringing this to light U.S.A. Congress will have to reign them in. If not, there is just one more GOOD reason to revolt. It’s no wonder that the socialist, communist, demoncrapic left want’s America disarmed. It seems obvious to me they intend… Read more »

Deplorable Bill
Deplorable Bill
4 months ago

U.S.A., you might want to look up epoch news.

Arm up. carry on.

Deplorable Bill
Deplorable Bill
4 months ago

Yes, abolish the atfe but more that that, make them return or replace EVERY weapon they confiscated, make them accountable for every person who lost their lives and restitution for every second class citizen they made. Until they are accountable, until they are repentant, until they are disbanded they remain an illegitimate group of state sponsored terrorists. Wither they knew it or not, they have done the work of Kruchev for the last 58 years. Wither they knew it or not they have helped destroy the U.S.A. through socialism. The excuses of ” I was only following orders” or “I… Read more »

AJChwick
4 months ago

No arguements there.