Colorado Sheriff Rejects Training Certificate From Guns for Everyone

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LARIMER COUNTY, CO-(Ammoland.com)- Larimer County Sheriff Justin Smith has decided to stop accepting training certificates from “Guns for Everyone” for concealed handgun permits within the county.

Guns for Everyone offers free concealed carry classes to the general public of Colorado. They have trained thousands of citizens on safe gun handling practices and laws surrounding concealed carry In the Centennial State. The free classes have not endeared them to other local concealed handgun instructors. Since the COVID-19 pandemic, Guns for Everyone moved the majority of their course online.

The Sheriff made a post on Facebook, accusing the organization of failing to comply with the statutory requirements of Colorado. The Sheriff states that the online portion of the class was only 30 minutes long, and at the in-person part of the course that the instructor just handed out the certificates to the students.

The Sheriff Department claims that they were acting on a tip and investigated the class themselves. A source inside the Larimer County Sheriff’s Department informed AmmoLand that the tip originated from a rival instructor. The Sheriff’s Department would not verify the information given to AmmoLand.

After speaking to multiple instructors in the area and questioning others familiar with the investigation, it appears that the claim that a rival instructor did contact the Sheriff’s Department about Guns for Everyone’s class is accurate. AmmoLand is working to verify the exact source of the complaint.

AmmoLand looked into the claim that the online portion of the classes was only 30 minutes long. It appears that the Sheriff’s Department is wrong. The classes AmmoLand viewed ran between one hour 40 minutes and one hour 45 minutes. The Sheriff’s Department did not return AmmoLand’s request for information on how they came up with the 30-minute time frame.

According to Guns for Everyone, the in-person portion of the class lasts for 30 to 45 minutes. The instructor will review gun safety, do an overview of Colorado gun laws, and answer any questions the students may have about the class before presenting a certificate. We could not independently confirm the time it takes to complete the in-person part of the course but did speak with prior students that did back up the organization’s claims.

Even if the class were exactly the way as the Sheriff described it in the post, it still would be within the state law for a concealed handgun permit. Colorado doesn’t specify any length of course required. The state also doesn’t include any required curriculum. The law does require an in-person component to the class but doesn’t specify what has to happen at the in-person part of the course.

Isaac Chase of Guns for Everyone thinks Sheriff Justin Smith is being hypocritical. The Sheriff preaches against government overreach but is making up his own standards that exceed the rules of the state. He appears to be enforcing his own law.

“The Sheriff in this county is overstepping his authority, and the citizens who cannot get their permits are the ones who end up suffering for it,” Chase said. “It’s clearly an abuse of their power, and these are supposedly freedom-loving Conservatives.”

The Sheriff might be breaking the law by selectively targeting Guns for Everyone. Larimer County Sheriff Justin Smith does accept 100% online hunter safety courses for the requirement. The Sherriff’s Department also has blacklisted Guns for Everyone instructor Edgar Antillon by naming him on the agency’s official website.

“This is a perfect example of why we began to provide CCW classes for free,” Antillon said “To protest government overreach. And now we have a sheriff who is deciding his citizen cannot defend themselves, based on his feelings, which is a violation of the law.”

Guns for Everyone are exploring their legal options. Neither Sheriff Justin Smith nor the Department has responded to AmmoLand’s request for comment.


About John CrumpJohn Crump

John is a NRA instructor and a constitutional activist. He is the former CEO of Veritas Firearms, LLC and is the co-host of The Patriot News Podcast which can be found at www.blogtalkradio.com/patriotnews. John has written extensively on the patriot movement including 3%'ers, Oath Keepers, and Militias. In addition to the Patriot movement, John has written about firearms, interviewed people of all walks of life, and on the Constitution. John lives in Northern Virginia with his wife and sons and is currently working on a book on leftist deplatforming methods and can be followed on Twitter at @crumpyss, on Facebook at realjohncrump, or at www.crumpy.com.

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Anonymous_K
Anonymous_K
14 days ago

I don’t have the information to debate legally on this topic. Ethically though, the training is not of sufficient standard to adequately equip the firearm owner. I attended one of their courses just a couple of months back, I have been an NRA instructor previously years ago before taking this class. They let you put your own name on your certificate, if either one of the instructors were accidentally leave a few behind in a hurry to get out the door, then anyone could put their name on it with that instructor’s signature and get a ccw permit without any… Read more »

Chuck
Chuck
28 days ago

The problem folks, is in the statute itself under the definitions subsection (5). The statute requires the ENTIRE COURSE be held at a PHYSICAL LOCATION, with the way it’s written by the Legislature, not via the Internet and then meeting at a location. Time has nothing to do with the classes, it’s where and how they are held. That’s where Guns For Everyone messed up with this. Is the statute unclear and in need of clarification? Yes, but until such time as an ALJ rules on it, it is what it is.

Tim
Tim
28 days ago

COUNTY SHERIFFS OF COLORADO La Plata County Sheriff’s Office 742 Turner Drive Durango, Colorado 81303 Phone (970) 247-1157 CONCEALED HANDGUN PERMIT INFORMATION   a) A training certificate from a handgun training class obtained within the ten years preceding submittal of the application. The applicant shall submit the original training certificate or a photocopy thereof that includes the original signature of the class instructor. To the extent permitted by section 18-12-202 (5), in obtaining a training certificate from a handgun training class, the applicant shall have discretion in selecting which in person handgun training class to complete. NO on-line training certificates… Read more »

Tionico
Tionico
28 days ago
Reply to  Tim

Learn to read for comprehension. The pice above clealry states tht part of this course INCLUDES face to face hands on time with instructors. Since the law as written does not specify any time engaged, nor specifics about WHAT is taught, this sheriff cannot up and decide on his own say-so that the class he is rejecting is not within standards. Looks to me like a bad case of sour grapes from a good ol’ boy instructor in his county. One more case of those tasked with enforcing the law instead making the law they will enforce. Third grade Civics… Read more »

Chuck
Chuck
28 days ago
Reply to  Tionico

C.R.S. 18-12-202 poses a problem in it’s definitions, specifically under #5 as follows: (5) (a) “Handgun Training Class” means (I) A law enforcement firearms safety training course (II) A firearms safety course offered by a, law enforcement agency, an institute of higher education, or a public or private institution, or organization, or firearms training school, that is open to the general public and is taught by a certified instructor, or (III) A firearms safety course or class, that is offered and taught by a certified instructor. (b) Notwithstanding paragraph (a) of this subsection (5), “handgun training class” does not include… Read more »

Ed
Ed
29 days ago

So the Sheriff impinges the impingement. CCWs impinge on your right to bear arms by forcing you to seek permission from the government to carry a firearm. This Sheriff is impinging the impingement by making it even harder for people who don’t have money to carry and defend themselves. Lovely.

Xaun Loc
Xaun Loc
29 days ago

Anyone want to bet that the “rival instructor” who complained was a deputy in the Sheriff’s department?

Chuck
Chuck
28 days ago
Reply to  Xaun Loc

A high probability. The problem though is the definitions under the statute CRS 18-12-202. As it’s written, holding classes via the Internet, and then meeting with the instructor, doesn’t meet the statutory requirement of a ” physical locale” for the entire course. CRS 18-12-202 (5)(b)(II) prohibits any location other than the physical location where the instructor offers the course.
Until an ALJ rules differently, the Sheriff is following the statute as it is written.

Chas
Chas
29 days ago

The 2nd Amendment says nothing about training being required to have a firearm. While I think a person should have some training about said tool. I am going on 73 years old. I have had my hands on a firearm ever since I can remember. In rural Western Tennessee, seems like all my relatives had a shotgun and/or a rifle behind a door or in a dark corner. And we kids knew to not touch them unless given permission. Although generally if asked would be given permission and taken outside to learn how to use said firearm. That is if… Read more »

Rowboat
Rowboat
29 days ago

Seems to be a lot of petty tyranny going around nowadays.
Stay armed, stay tuned, it’s coming.

USMC0351Grunt
USMC0351Grunt
28 days ago
Reply to  Rowboat

You have obviously have been asleep for about 6 months or even much longer? it’s already HERE!

The left have silently been destroying the gunshow’s across the country with weak excuses and no authority to do so… Permits do do what is YOUR RIGHT needs to be rigorously fought by all of the apathetic and complacent pussies that are sitting back with the wait-and-see attitude!

https://www.ammoland.com/2020/05/gun-show-promoter-challenges-texas-citys-last-minute-reneging-on-venue-agreement/

in other words Patriots it’s time to get off your dead ass and start doing Patriot shit!

vbirddogs
vbirddogs
29 days ago

Sounds to me like “THOSE GETTING PAID TO TEACH CLASSES” were getting their feelings hurt!!!!

Cam
Cam
8 days ago
Reply to  vbirddogs

Those paid instructors do very well. Many of them went to talk at the Louisiana’s legislation when they were discussing constitutional carry. They were very anti constitutional carry cause the gravy train ends!

nrringlee
nrringlee
29 days ago

The fallacy of the standards focuses on this: clear learning objectives and an objective test of whether or not those objectives have been achieved. We used something called the “Technique of Military Instruction” years ago. Set objectives. Teach objectives. Apply objectives. Test. There is not time test on either teaching or testing. You either achieve 80% minimum mastery or you do not. So if they are going to have a qualification the qualification should be based on mastery of specific knowledge and skills. This does not appear to be the case. Here in Arizona we have a requirement that a… Read more »

Xaun Loc
Xaun Loc
29 days ago
Reply to  nrringlee

That is true, but any competent instructor can tell you that there is a certain minimum amount of time needed to conduct training for any specific objective. That minimum may be short if you allow students to test out after the objective has been stated – or somewhat longer if your program requires the objective be demonstrated prior to testing. The problem with most state training requirements (besides the question of having any requirement at all) is that such requirements rarely state any specific measurable training objectives and standards. This is actually understandable because any qualified training instructor will tell… Read more »

Just1Saddletramp
Just1Saddletramp
29 days ago
Reply to  nrringlee

Yes, Arizona is a Constitutional carry state but the big advantage of having an Arizona issued CCW is to be able to carry in States that have reciprosity.

Matt in Oklahoma
Matt in Oklahoma
29 days ago

but but but muh constitutional sheriff…..

Stag
Stag
29 days ago

Permits are infringement and this sheriff should be tarred and feathered for enforcing unconstitutional laws.

USMC0351Grunt
USMC0351Grunt
28 days ago
Reply to  Stag
RoyD
RoyD
29 days ago

Sounds like something the citizens of that County should include in their considerations as to whom to vote for Sheriff next time around.

GUNFUN
GUNFUN
29 days ago
Reply to  RoyD

Yeah, we just had elections here in Idaho. When did this clown get voted in?

Edit: He appears to be about two weeks old, unless they re-elected him.

Last edited 29 days ago by GUNFUN
USMC0351Grunt
USMC0351Grunt
28 days ago
Reply to  RoyD

Apathy is never the solution and America has fallen into that cozy little spot in life where apathy is the best answer for everything. You don’t have to use your balls and you never feel any pain or get dirty.

Colorado? Time for BALLS OUT!
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Riding_a_rail