Biden Should Look to Canada to See the Mess of Confiscating Guns

By Larry Keane

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Biden should look at the catastrophe that is Canadian gun laws before enacting similar measures in America. iStock-1169526109

U.S.A. -(AmmoLand.com)- Canada’s gun confiscation plan is getting a chilly reception from America’s northern neighbors. Even the guy Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau put in charge of confiscating more than 2 million firearms from his fellow Canadians is at a loss to explain how it will be done.

President-elect Joe Biden might want to take notes. Canada’s gun confiscation horse hasn’t even left the barn and it’s tripping all over itself. No one knows how much it will cost and no one knows who will confiscate guns from law-abiding Canadians. Canadians are not their normally pleasant selves over these developments.

The foresight of James Madison to ensure this God-given right was included in the Bill of Rights can’t be overstated. Neither can one overstate the folly of Biden thinking he can confiscate 20 million firearms from law-abiding Americans whose right to keep and bear those firearms is Constitutionally protected.

Canadian gun confiscation is starting out as an abysmal failure and only promises to get worse. Thinking it would be any easier, cheaper or politically-expedient to do this in the United States is absurd. Suggesting it as a national policy is an insult to the Constitution both President-elect Biden and Vice President-elect Kamala Harris will swear (again) to protect when sworn in next month.

Not the Mounties

Minister Blair said it would be too expensive and inefficient for the Royal Canadian Mounted Police to run the effort to round-up the more than 1,500 models of firearms covered by Prime Minister Trudeau’s executive action announced without comment, debate, or a vote by the Canadian Parliament. Conservative Minister of Parliament (MP) Glen Motz asked Minister Blair how this confiscation would occur and what the associated costs would be. Minister Blair scoffed at the police performing the unpopular task but sidestepped giving a price tag.

MP Motz is still chiding him for an answer. “$2 billion? $5 billion? How much will the firearm confiscation plan cost?” Motz wrote in a tweet. “@BillBlair won’t say, probably cause he has no idea!”

The real reason Minister Blair won’t be asking for Canada’s Mounties to take the task is that they’re balking that it will actually do anything to reduce crime.

The national police union representing the Royal Canadian Mounted Police, the National Police Federation, doesn’t support confiscation. Instead, they urge the Canadian Parliament to adopt “… a combination of better legislation, better funding, and evidence-based solutions that we believe are necessary…” The police union noted that the uptick in criminal misuse of firearms in Canada is connected to gang activity and the guns being used illegally by those criminals are already banned in Canada.

Brian Sauvé, president of the National Police Federation, said they would rather enforce laws that are evidence-based, that addresses the root causes of the criminal activity instead of targeting law-abiding gun owners.

Not Just the Mounties

It’s not just the RCMP that’s disinterested in taking on the Herculean task of rounding up guns from their fellow citizens. Prime Minister Trudeau’s Liberal Party, which holds power, failed to secure a private-sector contractor to design the confiscation scheme – or “buyback” as the Liberal Party labels it. Canada’s procurement office issued two separate requests for proposals (RFPs) to run the confiscation without a nibble from an interested bidder. The Canadian government even tried name-shaming potential bidders, accounting firms Pricewaterhouse Coopers LLP and Ernst & Young LLP didn’t’ bite.

The contract offer, which closed out in early November, was reportedly worth $78 million.

Gun control advocates are shouting that delays in implementing the confiscation are risking the whole gun control plan. Heidi Rathjen, a coordinator of the group PolySeSouvient, wants the ban implemented now, but wants to expand it. Her group now wants to limit firearm magazines to five rounds, grant police easier access to commercial firearm sales data, spend money to boost government monitoring of gun license applicants and licensed owners, and end the manufacture and importation of handguns into Canada.

PolySeSouvient is also calling for the gun ban list to be evergreen.” That means the list isn’t static but grows without intentional addition. One news outlet compared it to when smartphones automatically update overnight without the users’ action. The list would be the same way, except this would be law-abiding gun owners waking up as unwitting felons because the law changed overnight without public notice, debate, or input.

A court challenge to the Canadian gun confiscation plan is pending with a decision expected in January on whether the scheme can go forward or if it should be temporarily suspended while wider court actions proceed.

This is all too chilling to Canadian gun owners. It’s also a cautionary tale for American gun owners to not take their Second Amendment for granted. The magnitude of firearm ownership in America dwarfs that of Canada. The costs and bureaucracy would dwarf the billions Canada is expected to pay.

The actions President-elect Biden proposed aren’t really any different than what Canada is witnessing now. Here, though, it is unconstitutional.


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jmb1911

A very well written article on the Canadian Prime Minister ‘s plan to confiscate guns from law abiding Canadian citizens who have done nothing wrong . It isn’t only elected officials that propose and support gun confiscation, it ‘s also groups / organizations like the one listed in this article. I hope the Canadian firearms owners fight this and are successful. As for Biden/ Harris plan of ” confiscating guns” here , proposals such as buying back the guns from their owners. How absurd and stupid!! The guns don’t belong to the U.S. Government and has been broke monetarily for… Read more »

JSNMGC

To the military, federal, state, county, or local law enforcement: don’t do the dirty work for the politicians.

Z

I WILL NOT COMPLY
I WILL NOT COMPLY
I WILL NOT COMPLY
I WILL NOT VOMPLY

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JDT

DO NOT COMPLY with any unconstitutional infringement! Stand together against tyranny!

Cruiser

Politicians have so insulated themselves to the point that, they are almost untouchable. They can be disabled easier than they think. It’s called voting.
Be informed and do it right!

Sushihunter

As a Canadian, I can tell you that our Failed Liberal Government is a total disaster, especially on gun control.

Our anti-gun laws have been designed by anti-gun activists and implemented by ignorant politicians who have no understanding of guns or law enforcement.

Don’t let Biden do the same to America!

gregs

ol demented joe doesn’t care how much it will cost, he is spending our money. there will be many sheeple who will do as the government says, look at what is happening with the wuhan virus overreach. i am sure most former military members, all i personally know, will not abide by this unConstitutional decree, or most leo’s. none of jo or ,la’s supporters have balls enough to do it either, but jo may ask for help from the blue helmuts, easy to see targets. liberty is just that, and you ain’t taking mine.

Cruiser

Blue helmets make good targets. 1st rule of war, know and define your enemy.

mike

it will never happen, they might try but who they gonna get to do the job. thats a death sentence

Cruiser

Never is a long time. There are those willing to try just the same. There are millions who think the Constitution is just an outdated piece of paper and many in the military will “just follow orders.” Sheep will always be sheep.

Bill

This article is informative, but it gives Biden some credit for caring about the consequences of his decisions on the well-being of America. Non sequitur, on that point.

Boz

Canada? Bad example. ßiden should look to a history book and see what happened in 1776.

willyd

Yes, and is too stupid to understand what can come for that part of his wish list and the Demo-Rats plot for total control, we the people rose to the freedom in 1776 and it may be getting close to a lot closer to it again!!!!!

Heed the Call-up

April 19, 1775, I believe is more apropos.

Vern

One would notice that those who would benefit the most from gun confiscation of law abiding citizens guns are not in one iota going to step in to help rid the populace of guns. That element is the criminal element, their friends, the gun grabbers, know better than to ask them for help. The politicians know where their bread is buttered and won’t ask them either.

Big George

I wouldn’t put it past the dumbocraps to use BLM and/or ANTIFA in some form to ‘confiscate’ our guns! Look at what georgie soros has already paid them to do; burn, riot, loot, shoot LEO, etc. Do you honestly think that these bought & paid organized criminals aren’t capable of targeting homeowners and stepping up burglaries & home invasion robberies?! Stay alert!

Vern

Have you seen some of the picks biden has made for his cabinet? Many of them are connected with the CCP (Chinese Communist Party). He even has some of Soro’s open society people on board, even the president of the organization. There are even some saying Soro’s himself will be on biden’s staff. Can you imagine where this country can go in a hurry with that kind of crew at the wheel of our government?
There are many more connected to the middle east terrorist org’s also. Great future the dems are ginning up for the American people, eh?

Camotim

He won’t.

Justista

SHE will try.

Deg4u

He may not have a choice.

Vince

The RCMP are simply not going to risk their lives to accomplish nothing. They know there are far too many places for them to simply disappear.

Arny

The bears are always hungry. lol

Heed the Call-up

Pigs leave no trace.

nrringlee

Progressives and leftists do not concern themselves with consequences. They only concern themselves with feelings. Emotions drive policy. Policy drives power. Power drives out opposition. Wash, rinse, repeat.

Swany

They have totally lost their minds if they think they can confiscate. They have created their own problem with the unrest they started. Put aside all current ownership and take just this into consideration. Here where I live…..1 gun store in 1 town in 1 state 10 people per night 3 nights a week having conceal carry classes. It has been nonstop for months here. Just do the math on that. 🙂 I called a couple other stores out of curiosity… all booked for average 2 weeks out for class and 3-4 month wait to apply after completion of the… Read more »

ForsakenConstitution

The math looks good on paper, but when the confiscations begin, a multitude of sheep will begin to hit their knees! Look at the bump stock ban for instance. MANY quickly turned in or destroyed their bump stocks out of fear! Is life so precious that one would choose to live as a slave in fear? Many will sell their soul for the comforts of that recliner and cable tv. Eternity with God would be the better choice!

JoeUSooner

About 14 million military veterans will NOT become “sheep,” and will absolutely NOT “hit their knees.” We will indeed heartily defend this country from its socialist (progressivist, collectivist, facist, etc) domestic enemies.

JSNMGC

Most politicians who worked in the military are anti-2nd Amendment. They, and other anti-2nd Amendment politicians without military experience, are the ones passing the laws. One out of five LEOs have military experience. They, and their colleagues who didn’t work in the military, are the ones who will be tasked with enforcing the new laws. I haven’t heard many LEOs speak up and say they will not enforce new gun laws. National guard members have participated in gun confiscation in the past. A lot of people won’t comply, but I think the people who have worked in the military are… Read more »

JoeUSooner

JSNMGC… I know it seems that way, but remember that while there are 16 million military veterans under the age of 70, there are less than 2 million total law enforcement officers in this country (that includes all support and admin personnel – not just uniformed street-cops). Even if 1-out-of-every-5 street cops ARE military vets who would ignore their oaths, that totals well-less than 200,000. Which is not a substantial number when compared to the total number of vets in America (nearly 19 million when including those over age 70). I give most vets the ‘benefit of the doubt’ when… Read more »

nrringlee

1% shooters, 3% direct support, 10% provide safe harbor and logistics. That is what it takes to run an insurgency. The majority sit by and watch the show.

JSNMGC

I hear you Joe. I’m sure a lot of them are on the right side of things. If you know people who are active military or recently got out who are under the age of 40, you also know there are all kinds in the military – some of the very finest Americans and some people like this: https://twitter.com/ReesusP/status/1326911231987429379 Also, read the comments below the video. There are a lot of different sides to the issue. Military experience isn’t necessarily indicative of what side a person is on. Your original comment suggested the 14 million tended to be on one… Read more »

JoeUSooner

Of course, military experience is not fully indicative of what side a person is on. No organization is perfectly homogenous.

But in every national election since WW2, a minimum of 70% of the military/veteran vote has gone to the conservative candidate. (In 2016, 74% of active duty personnel voted for Trump, as one instance.) So, yes, the majority of the 14 million do tend to be on one side.

JSNMGC

Like I said, I’m sure a lot of them are on the right side of things. I sort people first by their policy, not by their profession.

There are a lot of people who are not going to stand for continued removal of their rights – military experience or not.

JoeUSooner

I agree, wholeheartedly!

JSNMGC

Cheers – I suspect we agree on a whole lot of things.

JoeUSooner

Agreed. If you ever get to Oklahoma City, I’ll buy you a beer (or your favorite beverage, adult or otherwise! LOL)

JSNMGC

Sounds good – thanks. Likewise if you ever go north.

JoeUSooner

How far north? At 70, I’m avoiding cold weather… makes the arthritis a bit worse. LOL

Arny

How many turned them in or destroyed them ? No one I know.

Cruiser

“Give me liberty or give me death.”

Heed the Call-up

MANY quickly turned in or destroyed their bump stocks out of fear!

Any link to back that claim? I know of no one that complied. All I know of “will not comply”. I bet the numbers are similar to NYS after their “SAFE” Act, expecting 1.5 million firearms to be registered, and over 6 years later, they claim about 75,000 registered.

JSNMGC

Who do you think will be doing the confiscating?

With tens of millions of un-arrested felons, they can take their time and confiscate/arrest at a time of their choosing and only enforce the laws against people they don’t like. Even then, who will be doing the enforcement?

Dave in Fairfax

People who believe that they can legislate crime away are unlikely to learn from the experience of others. The Progs believe that they can pass a law and have people obey, despite their experiences in NY and CT. Failing that, they believe that they can have the local police run the confiscation without backlash. Rest assured, You will never see any “Official” try to enforce the laws they pass or the diktats they publish.

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JSNMGC

Most of them are not trying to legislate crime away. They don’t give a rip about the 3 year old black girl who is shot and killed during a drive-by. The twenty year old black “single mother” allowed the child to “play” outside at 11:00 pm on a Friday night in the Garfield Park or Englewood neighborhood of Chicago. An eighteen year old black gang member drives by and starts shooting at another black gang member (over some BS), misses, and hits the 3 year old. The black gang member (already a felon) broke the following laws: Attempted murder Murder… Read more »

HMLA-167 Warrior

“Failing that, they believe that they can have the local police run the confiscation without backlash. Rest assured, You will never see any “Official” try to enforce the laws they pass or the diktats they publish.”

Are you serious? You are in Fairfax and say that? Am I missing the sarcasm?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kf8trl69kzo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ddTchyzdwJA

Officials in both —^ enforcing several unconstitutional mandates by other officials… no backlash.

Finnky

There are immense differences between the two countries. What seems difficult and expensive in Canada would be infinitely harder here. My understanding is that most if not all firearms in Canada are registered, the population is considerably smaller, they have fewer firearms per capita, and they are generally an affable, law abiding people. Here, with exception of certain locals, our guns are not registered. We also have a proud tradition of standing on principle – including use of violence when required. I have no doubt that if Biden works hard enough in pursuit of his gun-free utopia, our nation will… Read more »

BadDad

I went to LAX to pick up my taxidermied African heads. It was the LAST time I will set foot in that screwed up state. I think there will soon be a rude awakening there.

Rick D

California, New York, New Jersey and a few other state that the company i work for have offered me positions with nice 6 figure packages and i have turned all of them down do that same fact. i will stay where i am with my modest 6 figures and roll on.

willyd

I have often said what is needed is giant earthquake to shake up the East and West coasts, mainly causing both coasts to slide into the two oceans and start over with new shore lines, it has to happen soon as the idiots are moving inland and not leaving their mindset behind!!!!!!!!!!

Arny

I was thinking on the lines of a EMP myself. lol

Finnky

– Read yesterday that Elon Musk is planning to move Tesla to Texas. Terrifying possibility as we are already fighting demographic shifts, adding a horde of Californian-Tesla employees and expected political interference from Elon will make the situation considerably more difficult..