U.S.A. –-(AmmoLand.com)- After receiving new information from additional sources, this correction is in order. The booms heard on the west side of the Capitol, at about 2 p.m. were not commercial-grade fireworks as I wrote earlier. They were flashbang grenades launched by the Capitol Police. From the previous article:
I could not detect any real leadership or strategy. Masses kept coming. People were frustrated. There was a little pulling on barricades at the choke point, the scaffolding where there appeared to be an entryway to the Capitol. I caught a whiff of pepper spray from the intersection of the crowd and Capitol Police, near the scaffolding, and moved upwind to the North of the crowd. What appeared to be several commercial-grade fireworks were thrown at the police.
This correspondent did not see any devices, other than water bottles, thrown at the Capitol Police. The water bottles did not appear to be frozen (clear, not frosted). They were thrown after the first booms were heard. This shows how previous conceptions can color our perceptions.
The new sources offered first-person accounts of what they observed from a position very close to the scaffolding on the west side of the Capitol.
The sources started at the Washington monument. They had a similar experience to this correspondent. They could not make out what President Trump was saying, but they could occasionally catch a snatch of clear speech from people who were somehow streaming the President’s speech to small boomboxes or portable speakers. Before the President ended his speach, they started walking toward the Capitol.
They followed the group ahead of them across the Capitol grounds to within 20 yards of the balcony which faces west toward the Mall. When they arrived, there were only a couple of hundred protestors near the scaffolding. That places them there before I heard the booms, in the correct place and time to observe what happened.
More and more people were showing up and pushing from behind.
They witnessed the few Capitol Police who were originally there. They witnessed the reinforcement of the Capitol police which this correspondent also witnessed.
The sources saw the policed reinforcements bring weapons that could launch pepper spray, rubber bullets, and it turned out, flashbangs, were brought forward by the Capitol Police reinforcements.
The sources only saw one person with a rubber bullet launcher, which was used to fire toward the group near the bottom of the scaffolding.
The sources also saw a weapon that turned out to be used to launch flashbang grenades.
One of them was hit by a flashbang which knocked him down and created the injury shown, through a pair of heavy denim jeans.
The man who was hit saw a projectile coming toward them. He pushed a protestor out of the way. That projectile passed over their head, but a second flashbang, which he did not see coming, hit him in the thigh, exploded on contact, and knocked him over.
At least one maker of flashbang projectiles produces rounds, the MP-4-FB-4 or the MP-40-FB-4, which fires multiple flashbang projectiles with one shot. Warnings on the munition indicates they are not to be aimed directly at individuals. From nonlethaltechnologies.com:
WARNING
Do not fire directly at personnel or serious injury or death may occur
The flashbangs were reportedly fired from the balcony area where the Capitol Police were, before water bottles were thrown. This is consistent with my hearing the loud booms before the water bottles were thrown at the Mall side. Only a few water bottles were thrown, as I recall, perhaps four or five.
The right and middle left officers of the group of four appear to have projectile weapons. The single officer to the right of the group appears to have a camera. Image courtesy Dean Weingarten
The sources confirmed the rubber bullets and flashbangs were fired at protestors who were only standing and chanting.
One chant remembered by the sources was:
Whose house is this? Our house!
The sources’ best estimate of the time of the flashbangs was a little before 2 p.m. local, which would have been about 45 minutes to an hour after reaching the Capitol. They do not recall looking at their watch.
After the injury was treated by EMT personal at the scene, the sources moved to the east side of the Capitol. When there, they heard the chatter and saw a person through a window in the Capitol who carried a protest sign.
Their best estimate is they saw a person in the window of the east side of the Capitol at 3:00 p.m. local. This is consistent with what this correspondent witnessed.
One of the sources said they felt they represented at least a hundred people who had the same attitude but could not make it to the event.
A different source said he had a difficult time understanding why the people who were supposed to represent them, refused to listen. He characterized the media portrayal of the protestors as this:
“Now” he said, “Now we are worse than noise. Now we are pariahs.”
After the sources saw how the events were portrayed, they said their already dim view of mainstream media had turned to complete disillusionment.
I have not read or heard of explosions anywhere else at the Capitol.
It appears no commercial-grade fireworks were thrown at the police on 6 January 2021, at the Capitol in the District of Columbia. The booms which were heard on the west side of the Capitol were from flashbang grenades fired by the Capitol Police.
About Dean Weingarten:
Dean Weingarten has been a peace officer, a military officer, was on the University of Wisconsin Pistol Team for four years, and was first certified to teach firearms safety in 1973. He taught the Arizona concealed carry course for fifteen years until the goal of Constitutional Carry was attained. He has degrees in meteorology and mining engineering, and retired from the Department of Defense after a 30 year career in Army Research, Development, Testing, and Evaluation.
The “fog of war” is a real thing.
It is a shame that the “representatives” of Americans — WILL NOT LISTEN TO WE-THE-PEOPLE!!
It IS time to OUST everyone of these TYRANTS from OUR GOVERNMENT! Those “representatives” who REFUSE to OBEY, REFUST to HONOR or have TURNED-THEIR-BACKS to the SWORN OATH-OF-OFFICE to DEFEND OUR American Constitution — MUST be removed from office and LOSE the FULLY-PAID “retirement” benefit along with LOSING their governmental GOLDEN LEVEL HEALTH PLAN.
“Throw the bums out.” We the people should be the ones who decide what Congress and Senate do while in session, not their wacked out agendas. They are there to govern for us, not over us. Most have lost sight of their job of “public servant”, instead they have set themselves up as an aristocracy.
These people should not be making 6 figures and perks for the work they fail to do.
The Constitution is a “Blueprint” follow it!
If they were paid what they were worth instead of what they think they are worth, they would be paying 2/3rds of their health care and Social Security with no retirement for their time in Congress. With the time they work they should make about $10,000.00 a year and support themselves the rest of the year while they’re back in their districts.
why is the system so perverted? they make you hate me and I you (big picture not individually). rather than fighting “the enemy/opposing view” why can’t EVERYONE uphold the constitution? seems like fighting for your/my PERSONAL views is a lot of the problem when the truth is at the end of the day how you choose to live your/my life has zero bearing on how I/you live my/your life if we would just leave the other alone.
Because once the 16th amendment was passed, politicians could use the fruit of the labor from Group A to buy the votes of Group B.
the same problems were an issue prior to that being passed. I’m more inclined to believe human nature plays a large part. people feel good about themselves if they feel superior.
I disagree. Once routine taxation at the federal level was allowed, it opened a whole new opportunity for politicians to appeal to people’s sense of entitlement.
People born between 1827 and 1958 put people into power who exploited that sense of entitlement, and it just keeps getting worse – as expected.
The founding fathers warned us about taxation.
how do you explain that the issue(s) existed prior to the 16th being enacted?
Allowing routine taxation to take place at the federal level put the mess into overdrive. There is no end in sight.
are you saying that the tax system put in place the inequities? the pov of the writer of this article is heavily trying minimize the actions of the perpetrators (pandering). all it does in the end is further divide. the means to adjust our system of government is baked in to the mix, physical force shouldn’t be required.
I was responding to your question about why the system is so perverted causing people to hate one another and why can’t the Constitution be upheld.
dang! somebody gave you a thumbs down and you didn’t even voice an opinion, that’s blind hate for the sake of hate. it seems like we can’t even have a conversation about anything because somebody fears they will lose something. I get your point about how the tax system can put the rich against the poor but most people fall into neither category. the only thing left is feeling superior to anyone else. ever heard of Jane Elliot, she did a thing on race right after MLK was killed with grade schoolers. it gave me a totally different perspective, highly… Read more »
When people worship human beings (especially politicians), they get really angry when someone criticizes the object of their devotion.
Politicians in both parties don’t want a discussion. Hate-filled people on a discussion board don’t want a discussion.
its sad! I wonder how those people that were bamboozled sitting in jail right now feel about not getting pardoned.
I think the hate might have had more to do with not mindlessly cheering on a 4’11”, 112 lb. politician before she had actually done anything of significance. Expressing optimism that she will do something in the future was insufficient.
Indicating that I voted for Trump but did not agree with everything he did probably enraged him further.
and that is more what I believe the problem to be, whether that is a symptom or cause I don’t know. at any rate I thank you for remaining respectful and not attacking me personally for not agreeing with some of what you say. thats the America i’de like to live in.
There is no doubt there is a lot of silent cringing going on.
Will – 2/2/21
“What there is no doubt about is that you’re a fucking idiot! No doubt at all!”
Response to Will:
I’m starting to get the impression you don’t really like me.
lmao…no doubt!
says the guy that can’t carry on a civil conversation!
Will – 2/2/21
“Most people on discussion boards don’t waste their time arguing with idiots! Now you’re back in your league with ‘little wil’!”
Response to Will:
You seem obsessed with the notion there are two sides and if someone does not share your views about a particular matter, they are on the other side.
When I was a Drill Sergeant in the Retraining Brigade I must have watched that program 50 times. Every cycle we showed it and had discussions about it. “Why did you hit him?” “He called me brown eyes.”
It’s true. Superiority and inferiority makes people hate. The program was initiated in Iowa where everyone was white and either brown eyed or blue eyed. “Brown eyed people are smarter than blue eyed people.” Abd then a week later…”I was wrong. Blue eyed people are smarter than brown eyed people.” And then the self fulfilling prophecy started being fulfilled.
watching the class separate when moments prior they were all friends based on eye color blew my mind. she did the same thing with adults that knew it was an experiment and some of them cried when they were the “oppressed”. how the human brain works…can make it to the moon but can’t get over simple crap that has no bearing on anything real.
I think they called the retraining brigade the banana brigade when I went through Fort Knox cause they had to wear yellow sweats for pt.
Pfffftt, that’s nothing:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milgram_experiment
What percent of LEOs will tell other LEOs not to follow horrific orders?
I saw that, but the one I saw was about why German soldiers committed mass murder. I think its the same electro-shock study. if I were put in any of those situations I would speak up. saw a guy literally get ran over, as in the car went over him, both wheels, he was out cold. a guy came up and started to go through his pockets. all the people that gathered just watched, I said “get out of his pockets” or something like that, then everyone chimed in the same. I had to stay there till 911 arrived. the… Read more »
There appears to be many rings in this circus.
If someone doesn’t have the integrity to refuse to follow bad orders, I don’t think there is anything that can be done to convince them otherwise.
well, then there is greed! anonymous tip=some reward. like people “thrown in the mud” living comfortably (conditioned). if there were a desire we could teach and demonstrate doing the right thing.
And then there was that “If you don’t like what you’ve been told to do you can always grieve it later.” Generally that was only said about that which would not present a physical harm to anyone.
Yeah, following an order to give some guy a ticket for not having his dog on a leash and then later expressing why you didn’t want to give the ticket has some logic. Stacking up outside the local dentist’s house, busting down his door, shooting his golden retriever, screaming obscenities at his wife and kids, cuffing him, tearing his house apart, and confiscating his firearms that he purchased legally and with which he did nothing wrong, is a whole different story. When LEOS do that a couple times they are no longer going to be invited to neighborhood BBQs or… Read more »
While the happenings in Florida this morning may have been for legit reasons there is a cautionary lesson there for those wise enough to look for it concerning denying people their second amendment rights.
The Retraining Brigade is at Fort Riley, Kansas. It’s not for recycles. It’s for offenders with less than 6 months left on their sentence, to include those from Leavenworth.
Right. Thanks to you, I now remember the parents. I had forgotten that.
yeah that’s my bad, as much as those few years influenced the rest of my life I guess “nomenclature” of particular names has faded. recycled makes more sense in hindsight.
physical force was NOT< in genera, being applied on 6 Jan. Of the five hundred thousand present that day, it seems perhaps about 250, who had clearly organised and planned days in advance, coopted a few of the numbers there and twisted things off the rails. Cap Police were opening barricades, politely waving people though, so they could enter the Capitol building. How is that “physical force”? People strolling though the building staying inside the “tour guide cordons” is misuse of physical force? What PLANET is your home?
and the broken windows, shyt in the halls, putting feet up on desks, murdered police officer, broken doors, CONFEDERATE FLAG IN THE CAPITAL ROTUNDA, all didn’t happen. if you think it was peaceful why didn’t they stop the so-called 250 from doing the damage. that entire debacle was a textbook mob engaged in an insurrection that failed because, frankly, the participants didn’t possess the brains to carry it out. the truth as in actual facts doesn’t take sides. spin what you will but I think you know what the actual truth is and just fail to recognized that it was… Read more »
and I bet you think of yourself as a patriot! you have zero respect for this country, and I feel ashamed for you!
what was your rank at ETS? 19D 3yrs 3months 1day E-5 at ETS. I am ashamed for you, you are no patriot!
try not to make stupid assumptions about others, wait for facts!
I’ll be go to hell! I never voted for any entitlement! I had to pay taxes for nine years before I was able to vote since I turned 21 four days after the federal election of 1964. I was in the military and not near home so was unable to vote until a week prior to my 25th birthday (and by then 18 year olds had the vote). I was forced to pay Social Security since I was 16 years old so the government owes me that. I was against Medicare and Medicaid, but forced to pay for that too.… Read more »
Bob, My apologies, if you are referring to this statement I made: “People born between 1827 and 1958 put people into power who exploited that sense of entitlement, and it just keeps getting worse – as expected.” I was just coming off another thread in which people were blaming today’s problems on younger people, and I was making the point that the problem started a long time ago. In this thread, I should have written: “People born between 1827 and 1958* put people into power who exploited that sense of entitlement, and it just keeps getting worse – as expected.”… Read more »
Gotcha! Now I understand your post. No offense taken. I agree with you!
Cheers!
thank you for your service!
I was a baby and from the history I know a lot of veterans of Vietnam got a bad rap.
entitlements for able bodied people is stupid, some people that can’t, need help though. homeless mentally ill people is sad.
And you.
I’m not in jail for killing anyone so nobody spit on me. I just got to spend the night at the San Fran airport, in uniform, the night I was discharged. Turned out to be a non-event. Got on an airplane the next morning and didi-maoed.
I did get to meet a few Viet vets while serving, Ssgt. Reyes was one of the coolest nco’s ever. his outlook on the army and the stories he would tell us made it real, I was just a punk ass kid trying to see the world…lol.
wil, you ask the question: “Why is the system so perverted?” The answer is simple and was answered very well in a movie when a character said: “The truth? You can’t handle the truth!” And that is the answer. There are many people who live lives full of lies. The “truth” would destroy their lives, they think, so they avoid it for the most part. One of the things I have found most enjoyable about being retired is that I don’t have to be around people that I don’t want to be around. There is someone who said, “I am… Read more »
well most people have their own sense of truth. to me a fact is a fact whether it supports my “belief” or makes me reconsider. the capital riots were fed by lies, the author of this article takes great steps to minimize the rioters as actual rioters. that is his personal belief and not necessarily a truth that is a fact.
people were used to promote one persons desire for power and no one seems to want to deal with that. human nature needs to evolve!
“the rioters” comprised about point zero zero two percent of the people actualy present that day. The main correction Mr. Weingarten has made here is to correct his previous statement, based upon information and believe AT THE TIME< that the common peopl epresent had thrown commercial fireworks at the police, when the reality is the opposite, the police fired flashbang grenades at the peaceably assembled people. Note well, Mr. Weingarten made NO claims as to the meaning or signficance of this correction of fact as since revealed. He ONLY corrected his previous mis-statement. If you have bothered to follow this… Read more »
if the capital police decided to string a ribbon of paper around the capital, stating the complex was off limits to the public for whatever reason, shouldn’t or should have been respected? do you think the capital police some wearing maga hats were AUTHORIZED to open barriers?
Amen, brother!
“Most people, at least once in their lives, will come face-to-face with the truth. Most will pick themselves up, dust themselves off, and continue about their business as if nothing happened” – Winston Churchill
Q: Why would they do such a stupid thing? A: Because they can’t handle the truth. That’s why they have to pick themselves up and dust themselves off. Because it knocked them straight down on their assets! That’s why.
I’m going to tell you a story. I hope you see it. About 12 +- years ago my wife and I were invited to one of our daughters 40th birthday party. She lives North of Chicago (at that time I would enter Chicago) and is a die-hard Democrat liberal. She had also invited a friend that was at least 10 times more liberal than she. I was asked not to talk politics with anyone and was told she would do her best to keep us apart. Since I’m so affable and love people, I sat myself in a quiet corner… Read more »
OMG!!! Rush Limbaugh too liberal? wow!!
that’s the thing I don’t think a lot of people either want or willing to admit. we have more in common than not. the partisanship is by design. wow! rush limbaugh, too liberal, I can’t get over that. I would love to have a conversation with you just to get a glimpse of next level conservatism. how is that possible…lol
Come on down to So-Flo and we’ll do it.
I def want to, maybe when this pandemic passes. i’ll buy!
What is it that you’re suggesting?… That the clearly and vastly outnumbered Capitol Police, upon seeing thousands of “protestors”/ rioters crashing through gates and barriers that they are not allowed to trespass, should not have responded with flash-bangs?
You, sir, are an irresponsible and foolish right-wing mud-slinger! The fact that you are allowed to continue to spew your ridiculous right-wing claims using Ammoland Shooting Sports “News”as your vehicle, is also an indictment on them, as well.
SHAME!
Is not the Capitol, and surrounding grounds, OUR place? To be at OUR place is now tresspassing? Have you not READ the SUpreme Law of the Land? In that document are detailed a number of RIGHTS which accrue to ALL persons lawfully present within the UNited States. A few of those RIGHTS are to peaceabely assemble (for any cause) and to address our government for REDRESS of grievances. Redress is NOT being able to hold a placard or chant slogans, No, sir. REDRESS means govenrment must HEAR our complaints, AND RESPOND. In thins insntance, the grievances were NOT heard, and… Read more »
isn’t it his right to voice an opinion just as it is yours. why do you want rights to only apply to you and anyone that disagrees has to move to another country. we don’t all have to think the same.
Think what you want just don’t try to take the rights of any other citizens. My carrying a gun is more likely to save your life than taking it away.
100% in agreement with you. regardless of what I think of your (not you) speech or actions for that matter (consenting adults) you should have a right to live and believe as you wish as long as you don’t affect the same on anyone else.
Two opinions have been expressed. Do you say that there should only be one, and that the counter-opinion is not legitimate?
not sure what you are referencing. im sure you’ve heard opinions are like a-holes…lol
jj, do hear that sound? That is your menses calling. Best you go take care of it and leave the serious talk to serious people.
I’m wondering just how many commenters know what a “menses” is. Without looking it up, I mean. 🙂
I’m a Montana cowboy. I wouldn’t know, except that the last TV show I ever watched was Canada’s “Corner Gas”, and “Little Mosque on the Prairie”. Both good, BTW.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9xJQwqb7jh4
You sir (and I use the term loosely) are a lily, livered, cowardly, liberal that would not stand up against these socialist, communists to save your family. You are exactly what is wrong with this nation right now. You and your kind would let China, Russia, whoever walk right in and take over our country.
Were there even one-hundred demonstrators inside the Capitol building? From what I saw on Fox News, I’m not sure there were. Were you there or you spouting the communist news network’s crap? I have yet to see a proper count, but then I wasn’t there and I do have a life. But then too, I wouldn’t sit and watch liar’s tv all day either. If you want to spew facts, get them correct. Engage brain before opening mouth!