Quick Report on Events in Washington, D.C. on 6 January, 2021

Crowd building at Washington Monument, courtesy Dean Weingarten

U.S.A.-(AmmoLand.com)- On 5 January 2021, the flight to DC on American Airlines 2222 was full. There were quite a few Trump supporters on board. They were a little boisterous, with a few chants of “Four More Years”.

On 6 January, people made their way to the Metro station to travel into DC for the rally/protest/march. The Mall was relatively clear. As we approached the West end of the mall, the crowd could be heard, about 0830 local. It was already a large crowd stretching from the Washington monument toward the White House. Several speakers gave presentations.  The audio system was inadequate.  Little could be understood.

Most of the people were middle class and middle-aged. There were young and old, even a few people in wheelchairs and walkers. There were many women present, but few children. People were there to support President Trump, to protest four years of lies by the Media, censorship by the Tech Oligarchs, and a deeply flawed election.  One participant told me:

“He supported us for four years. At least we could come when he asked us to.”

In spite of the common grievances, there seemed to be little organization or leadership. There were a few groups that showed cohesion, but most were simply responding to a request to show up. This protest was the largest, most organic, nearly spontaneous one I have seen of many.

At the other end of the Mall, at the Capitol, there were a couple of smaller events on the Eastside. There were only a couple of thousand at the Capitol compared to many more at the west end of the Mall.

As the morning continued, streams of people continued to come unto the Mall and move toward the Washington Monument.

I moved toward the Capitol. The Capitol Police Board, according to signs, had placed fencing around the Capitol to keep people at a significant distance. The fencing was light and poorly secured.

Simple barriers on Mall side of Capitol, courtesy Dean Weingarten

Large groups of people started to approach the Capitol as the rally at the West end of the Mall became a protest march to the Capitol.

Early crowds building on Mall side of Capitol, courtesy Dean Weingarten

The crowds grew and grew. The barriers were flimsy and ineffective. Some people started crossing them to get closer. Others followed. The ones in front shouted encouragement. A mass of people flowed to the Mall side of the capitol.

Thousands more were coming behind them.

Crowd building on Mall side of Capitol, courtesy Dean Weingarten

I could not detect any real leadership or strategy. Masses kept coming. People were frustrated. There was a little pulling on barricades at the choke point, the scaffolding where there appeared to be an entryway to the Capitol. I caught a whiff of pepper spray from the intersection of the crowd and Capitol Police, near the scaffolding, and moved upwind to the North of the crowd.  What appeared to be several commercial-grade fireworks were thrown at the police.

As the crowd was frustrated on the Mall side, more people kept coming up and started drifting around to the Northside. More barriers came down.

The crowds coming from the west met the existing crowds on the east side of the Capitol, with the Supreme Court in the background to the east.

The crowds kept growing and pushing at barriers. They kept getting closer and closer to the Capitol.

People wanted to make a statement. They chanted: This is our house!

Crowd building on east side, right up to the doors, courtesy Dean Weingarten

Finally, they were right up to the doors in several places. Later, a person who claimed to have been through the building said the Mall side was breached first.

Congress is reported to have adjourned for reasons of safety. One person is reported to have been shot and killed. It is unclear as to the circumstances. A person at the protest told me it was a young woman with a Trump flag who had been shot.

Not long after, President Trump is said to have asked people to leave the Capitol steps and go home, to restore peace.

It is unclear what this means for the Republic and the future of self-government.

The remarkable thing about this protest were the participants. Middle-aged and middle-class men and women. Many said the frustrations had been building for a long time, that they had been quiet too long.

There was no plan beyond getting into the Capitol and then leaving. On the way back, in the Metro, a protestor was heard saying: We made our point.  We had to do something. They have to know it is our country.

The reactions between the Capitol Police and the crowd was largely civil. More detailed reports will follow.


About Dean Weingarten:

Dean Weingarten has been a peace officer, a military officer, was on the University of Wisconsin Pistol Team for four years, and was first certified to teach firearms safety in 1973. He taught the Arizona concealed carry course for fifteen years until the goal of Constitutional Carry was attained. He has degrees in meteorology and mining engineering, and retired from the Department of Defense after a 30 year career in Army Research, Development, Testing, and Evaluation.

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JSNMGC
JSNMGC
7 days ago

The FBI and U.S. Marshals didn’t have much luck finding and arresting people who tore down statues (remember Pelosi saying she didn’t care much about statues?) that were the property of the U.S. government, violently taking over police stations, killing people, beating people, burning businesses, looting, etc.

However, when it comes to Pelosi’s lectern, they’re on it:

https://nypost.com/2021/01/09/man-who-swiped-pelosis-lectern-arrested-in-florida/amp/

22Chuck
22Chuck
6 days ago
Reply to  JSNMGC

Hippocrit at her best!!!!!
Horrah for me-to hexx with you. What else should one expect from a millionaire democrat??

JSNMGC
JSNMGC
6 days ago
Reply to  22Chuck

The last 12 months have been an upside down world. 15 FBI agents investigate a garage door pull and, after thorough investigation, determine no racism was committed. People arrested for playing catch, cutting hair, singing, paddle boarding, watching football, operating a gym, operating a bar, and defending themselves in their place of business. People not arrested for destroying historically significant monuments, killing people, beating people, burning businesses to the ground, violently assaulting police headquarters causing the police to flee, taking over six city blocks and declaring it a separate country, burning vehicles (both privately owned and government owned), terrifying motorists,… Read more »

RoyD
RoyD
6 days ago
Reply to  JSNMGC

“May you live in interesting times.”

I think we most definitely are.

JSNMGC
JSNMGC
6 days ago
Reply to  RoyD

duì

Superman
Superman
6 days ago
Reply to  22Chuck

‘Hippocrit’? Is that related to the Hippopotamus?

Dave in Fairfax
Editor
Dave in Fairfax
6 days ago
Reply to  Superman

Clark,

I see that you’re still playing grammar/spelling Nazi. Nothing to say, but you couldn’t keep your yap shut.

Finnky
Finnky
6 days ago
Reply to  JSNMGC

Sounds like masks help with more than just viruses.

Montana454Casull
Montana454Casull
7 days ago

Run you yellow spineless swamp rats on both sides of the aisle ” THE MOB ” is after you ! LMFAO

swmft
swmft
7 days ago

Trump was a knee jerk reaction to bad government that is getting steadily worse. I told people in Venezuela it was out of control and take their country back while they could no guns no chance wait till they start pushing the disarm the people bs it is coming are you ready

RoyD
RoyD
7 days ago

Here is some fallout from Wednesday’s activities reported from Los Angeles, Ca:

LA Gun Stores See Spike In Business After Capitol Riot – CBS Los Angeles (cbslocal.com)

Finnky
Finnky
7 days ago
Reply to  RoyD

– How do those stores have any product for sales to spike? When everything is sold out, volume cannot “spike” – only prices!

RoyD
RoyD
7 days ago
Reply to  Finnky

That thought crossed my mind also but that is what the article says.

Nilsigne
Nilsigne
7 days ago
Reply to  Finnky

Because CA makes it so annoying to get a gun and there are limits to firearm purchases there

PMinFl
PMinFl
6 days ago
Reply to  RoyD

Do you really believe CBS news?

RoyD
RoyD
4 days ago
Reply to  PMinFl

In short, no. I was merely posting what was out there. Each single person is responsible for separating the wheat from the chaff for themselves. But, thanks for playing.

Charlie Foxtrot
Charlie Foxtrot
7 days ago

It appears the shooting location was at the barricaded entrance to the House chamber:comment image

Stampman
Stampman
7 days ago

The only comment that I can make is this. After all is said and done. With the media and the left fighting him all four years. He accomplished more than anyone could ever have imagined. Is his personality one of a great statesman? No, but that’s not what he was elected for. Now with Joe Biden coming into office. We’ll see if he can accomplish half as much

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RoyD
RoyD
7 days ago
Reply to  Stampman

If Pedo Joe does “accomplish” anything it won’t be positive for this country and the people in it.

Superman
Superman
6 days ago
Reply to  Stampman

Let us all fervently pray he does not ‘accomplish’ ANYTHING.

Charlie Foxtrot
Charlie Foxtrot
8 days ago

Richard Barnett of Arkansas, who was photographed sitting at a desk in House Speaker Nancy Pelosi’s office, has been arrested too: https://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/ny-capitol-riot-pelosi-richard-barnett-arrest-20210108-ks3eimrcpzbhpiepq3ndft3nhe-story.html

Charlie Foxtrot
Charlie Foxtrot
8 days ago

The FBI has arrested the West Virginia lawmaker Derrick Evans for entering the U.S. Capitol during the unrest.

https://twitter.com/disclosetv/status/1347631081852436485

jj
jj
8 days ago

You can NOT be serious. That was not a protest. That was a group of white supremacists, thugs, and a motley assortment of others who stormed the Capitol and violated the very “seat” of our democracy. To make it sound like a bunch of folks happened to make their way into the Capitol is nothing less than shameful! Sir, you should be ashamed of yourself for attempting to make it sound like an innocent transgression! The people who crossed into the Capitol should all be jailed! No exceptions! The length of their sentences should depend on what they did next.… Read more »

Whit
Whit
8 days ago
Reply to  jj

First, anyone who broke into the Capital should be tried and convicted. So should anyone who riots.
The narrative that this was anything about race is horse crap. Furthermore a white woman was shot. The rioters were cleared out in hours and even President Trump told them to go home. This contrasts greatly with the days and weeks long riots seen on other occasions where civilians have hurt the police but the police haven’t fired on anyone. Furthermore those riots were not denounced by anyone on the left rather they cheered them on. Your entire narrative is factually incorrect.

RoyD
RoyD
7 days ago
Reply to  Whit

“Furthermore a white woman was shot.” Yes she was by a scared shitless pantfull black man with a gun. So, business as usual I guess. 

AlphaMikeEcho
AlphaMikeEcho
7 days ago
Reply to  jj

You hit the nail on the head! Bootlickers here refuse to acknowledge and continue to gaslight. We’ll said, sir

gunnerdd517
gunnerdd517
7 days ago
Reply to  jj

an error on your part. we are NOT a democracy. #2 the riots in portland still ongoing were portrayed as peaceful protests by media & leftist extremists politicians.#3 those who did riot,break into the capital have been identified, not as average trump supporters, but as antifa thugs. hopefully, they will be jailed, but i doubt it. not when a blind eye is turned toward those thugs in oregon, etc.. so, the failure is in the leadership of the country. at the city,country,state, and federal levels. the “rule of law” is waved in our faces while leaders ignore it with impunity.… Read more »

Charlie Foxtrot
Charlie Foxtrot
7 days ago
Reply to  gunnerdd517

Not a single member of AntiFa has been identified as one of those storming the Capitol. Those that were identified were QAnon or Trump supporters! And, yes, some of them have already been arrested and charged with federal crimes, including a member of the Proud Boys (Nick Ochs) and a Republican West Virginia lawmaker (Derrick Evans)! More information can be found in the discussion thread above and below.

https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/thirteen-charged-federal-court-following-riot-united-states-capitol

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PMinFl
PMinFl
6 days ago
Reply to  jj

Another one who believes CBS news.

Don
Don
8 days ago

There were no Antiufa people there. This was shamefully a bunch of Republicans. I am embarrassed that my people did this.

gooder12
gooder12
8 days ago

Over the years I have protested some. I started in the late 60’s mainly with how our high school started locking us down or in, and of course over Nam. I supported our troops, but not our Government. I turned 18 in 1970. I already had registered with our Select Service so got my Draft #252. I registered to vote as an Independent, and in SD I could now legally drink 3.2 Beer. I have voted for 50 years and I have always voted for the person or the issue and never a so called party. I voted for the… Read more »

JSNMGC
JSNMGC
8 days ago
Reply to  gooder12

Are you aware of many things Noem has done to advance:

  • More gun control laws;
  • Bigger, more intrusive, more powerful, more expensive government; or
  • Encouragement and support of people living in the U.S. illegally?

I ask because I don’t live in SD and from what I’m aware of, I’d swap governors with you.

Choogie
Choogie
8 days ago
Reply to  gooder12

Don’t tell that BIG A– lie about Donald Trump. Trump has done more for this country than any other President since before Wilson helped to bring about the Federal Reserve system during his administration back in the early 1900’s and started to destroy our country. Donald Trump is the only and I repeat ONLY President I know of from then until this very day that has done every single thing that he promised the American People he would do before he was elected President in 2016 and then some. AND he did it with a lying bunch of dimwit democrats… Read more »

Stag
Stag
8 days ago
Reply to  Choogie

“Donald Trump is the only and I repeat ONLY President I know of from then until this very day that has done every single thing that he promised the American People he would do before he was elected President in 2016 and then some.” That’s funny. I remember him promising that the eight year assault on the second amendment had come to a end and then going on to enact more arms laws in his first two years than the previous two administrations combined (reclassifying a stock as a machinegun and expanding the unconstitutional NICS) while also advocating for much… Read more »

Superman
Superman
6 days ago
Reply to  Stag

So HiLIARy would have been better for gun rights?

YourWorstEnemy
YourWorstEnemy
8 days ago

Obama is the Traitor

and

musicman44mag
musicman44mag
8 days ago
Reply to  YourWorstEnemy

I call him musilm traitor to America.

AlphaMikeEcho
AlphaMikeEcho
7 days ago
Reply to  musicman44mag

Xenophobia and apt to believe lies. You’re the complete package, Patriot Solutions.

Bluemax
Bluemax
8 days ago

The bottom line is this election was stolen by the Deep State and Government entities who play dirty. The people upholding the constitution and play by the rules have no chance of winning! Just look at all the people in power who got away with Murder, Lying and Tyrannical acts. Their voice is still strong against Freedoms and Moral Liberty They are above man’s laws, but not God’s laws. Turning away God will destroy us and this country is well on it’s way!

Qui Bono?
Qui Bono?
8 days ago
Reply to  Bluemax

Boy, have you drunk the Kool-aid. You have been led down the garden path by Trump and his enablers. They’re not working for you; they’re political opportunists who have used you for their own ends. There is no “deep state”, but rather plenty of dedicated career civil servants who work day and night to keep the train on the tracks. Many lost their jobs for resisting some of Trumps most ethically and legally questionable acts. Trump is not God’s warrior – I don’t think is a real Christian at all – and he is the most lawless president we have… Read more »

RoyD
RoyD
8 days ago
Reply to  Qui Bono?

“…I don’t think is a real Christian at all…”.

You mean unlike Nancy Pelosi who invokes the Almighty at every turn; when she thinks it will sound good?

People need to be able to separate the wheat from the chaff.

musicman44mag
musicman44mag
8 days ago
Reply to  RoyD

Quoting someone else on this board. “Listening to Nancy Pelosi speak about God is like listening to the devil preach the gospel”.

Demonrats use God and anyone who does that is headed to hell. You don’t preach God’s word and say you support God while supporting killing his unborn children.

Degforyou
Degforyou
7 days ago
Reply to  musicman44mag

AMEN AND AMEN!

JW
JW
8 days ago
Reply to  Qui Bono?

If you truly think that these views of our corrupt government started with President Trump, then you are the one late to the party and drinking the Kool Aid. He provided a platform to say some things that millions have felt for years and had no voice. None of this started with him, and it will not end with the next president.

musicman44mag
musicman44mag
8 days ago
Reply to  JW

Yes you are so correct, starting with bringing, Merry Christmas, back.

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Oldman
Oldman
8 days ago
Reply to  Qui Bono?

You have a right to feel and think any way you want to. You have the legal right to judge any thing or person you want to, I’ll also give you that. Your judgement that Trump is not a real Christian will be on you and not him. Trump is probably going to go down in history as the best four year president we have ever had. He has brought out a whole lot of things that people have known for years, but had no way to voice. Trump did that. Like him or not, he got a lot of… Read more »

Last edited 8 days ago by Oldman
Choogie
Choogie
8 days ago
Reply to  Qui Bono?

Qui Bono? You are the one still drinking the Kool-Aid !!! But don’t worry about us. You just keep on drinking it. There is a saying that has been around for years and I find it to be true. You can’t fix Stupid. You keep on listening to cbs, nbc, abc, cnn and cnbc. Those are the One World Order Networks. Do you even know what the One World Order is and who it is. Look them up and start to learn what you are in for. You are going to love it.

Degforyou
Degforyou
7 days ago
Reply to  Qui Bono?

Bluemax
is absolutely right and don’t forget it.

Wass
Wass
8 days ago

Knock it off, folks! Dean reported the event exactly as he saw it. No spin. I wasn’t there, but I heard reliable sources claim, there were about a million persons trying to assemble. If true, it would equal the crowd at the March on Washington, 1963, for civil rights. If only those knuckleheads stayed home.

RoyD
RoyD
8 days ago
Reply to  Wass

Wass, to whom were you addressing your admonition and what did they write to get your ire up? Enquiring minds want to know.

Knute
Knute
8 days ago
Reply to  RoyD

I think the remarks were addressed to 1963. Maybe thinks the internet is also a time machine. 🙂

GomeznSA
GomeznSA
8 days ago
Reply to  RoyD

RoyD – Thank You – I have suggested many times that commenters need to be specific as to who (whom?) they are directing their replies to in order to not be confusing. My efforts in that vein have been mostly unsuccessful ;-(

SEMPAI
SEMPAI
8 days ago

At least somebody gets it very bad acting on the Capitol’s police part especially running away up the stairs hilarious, martial law to the podium please and hang em high .

Qui Bono?
Qui Bono?
8 days ago

It’s long past time to open your eyes. Trump was a liar, a cheat, and a thief before he ever ran for president. Many of us made a Faustian bargain and supported him because he professed support for gun rights, and the alternative was Hilary. I was a Republican for over 40 years, but I resigned from the party in protest when he was given the nomination. I always thought he would put self-interest before the national interests, that he was an unprincipled and self-serving opportunist. I did not believe that he was worthy of the public’s trust or competent… Read more »

SEMPAI
SEMPAI
8 days ago
Reply to  Qui Bono?

And you think biden is a good man ? Check this out they are all bad people biden is a piece of shit as well, so let me quote you sir, it’s long past time to open your eyes

Qui Bono?
Qui Bono?
8 days ago
Reply to  SEMPAI

Has Biden incited his supporters to storm the Capitol? Remember, it was Biden who certified Trump’s win in 2016. He didn’t try to subvert the democratic process, he accepted the results. I disagree with many of Biden’s policy positions but I do think he wants what he believes is best for the nation. Trump only wants what’s best for Trump. The people who disagree with us on any particular issue are not the “enemy,” they are our fellow citizens. You don’t have to agree with them to support their right to express their opinions, just as you express yours. They… Read more »

SEMPAI
SEMPAI
8 days ago
Reply to  Qui Bono?

No it was biden , pelosi ,Schumer who sat idly by while American cities were being destroyed and said ABSOLUTELY nothing to BLM ANTIFA nothing at all but NOW he wants to call people out who are tired of this shit?guess you were in sweden this summer, how about the occupation of the senators office during the Kavanaugh hearing in 2018 stayed quiet didn’t he ? He was okay with it. I’ll give you a Nancy Pelosi quote when asked about the rioting and looting by the flying monkees and Antifa tearing down statues of Abolitionist and even Abraham Lincoln… Read more »

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musicman44mag
musicman44mag
7 days ago
Reply to  SEMPAI

You see it, we are both on the same page. No different than now the Trump supporters are thugs when months ago Trump was a racist for referring to terrorist antifa and BLDM as thugs. Double standard, hypocrisy, that is the left..

musicman44mag
musicman44mag
8 days ago
Reply to  Qui Bono?

You are pushing the left narrative. President Trump did not push or ask the American Republicans to storm the capitol as you and all of your comrades are pushing on the news. , He asked us to show in solidarity that we felt it was an obviously unfair election and that the presidency was stolen and that we object.

Last edited 8 days ago by musicman44mag
Oldman
Oldman
8 days ago
Reply to  musicman44mag

Correct! Right as Trump was finishing his speech, he said, “now go to the Capital Building, I will be with you, and protest peacefully this election.” Paraphrased, of course. Saw it live on Fox News and heard it from my hearing aids.

Phil in TX
Phil in TX
8 days ago
Reply to  Qui Bono?

Biden certified Trump’s win because there was no other choice. The Democrats failed in their bid to defeat him, period. This time the Dems really turned the cheat level up to 12, and they got away with it because there are too many Republicant’s in office. People with no backbone willing to demand a fair election free of dead voters, illegal voters, multiple voters and fake ballots. All of these things and more deprived us of a legitimate election. I am not saying that Trump would’ve won, but who knows when those in power refuse to investigate fraud when it… Read more »

macdog
macdog
8 days ago
Reply to  Qui Bono?

“I always thought he would put self-interest before the national interests, that he was an unprincipled and self-serving opportunist. I did not believe that he was worthy of the public’s trust or competent to hold public office”. Might you be referring to Uncle Joe and his corrupt kid Hunter. Joe who utilized his family and his previous office for his own financial gain in China, Ukriane. Not unlike the clintons. Where was Joe’s indignation of the “peaceful” rioters that went about destroying the lives of many; while “peaceful” antif-ck, and BLM burn the town down. Where was corrupt old Joe… Read more »

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musicman44mag
musicman44mag
7 days ago
Reply to  macdog

You got it macdog.

AlphaMikeEcho
AlphaMikeEcho
7 days ago
Reply to  Qui Bono?

These so called patriots on this site are bootlickers. They are beyond logic. Trump is exactly what he is. Liar. Narcissist. Megalomaniacal. Stupid. Xenophobic. He appeals to those too weak to see him for those things. Qui Bono is one of few people commenting here that see the assault on our democracy was indeed Trump. All you gaslighters need to dig down deep and find truth, not Fox News truth, but real truth.

Degforyou
Degforyou
7 days ago
Reply to  AlphaMikeEcho

You got it backards, all but Fox is the fake lying news.

China Berry
China Berry
8 days ago

A policeman and a Q Anon insurrectionist dead.

Dean, you are misleading people into a very dire situation by passing on Trump’s falsehoods and encouraging “wild” protest.

RoyD
RoyD
8 days ago
Reply to  China Berry

Later on I think that the powers that be will look back on 1-6-21 quite longingly.

musicman44mag
musicman44mag
8 days ago
Reply to  China Berry

I don’t understand how this isn’t considered to be a peaceful protest and now why all of a sudden it is ok for obiden to refer to Trump supporters as THUGS and when president Trump referred to obvious terrorists as thugs he was a racist. Did something change in the last few months and I didn’t get the notification or are the demonrats showing what hypocrites they really are especially our NWO United Socialist of America racist president to be Joe Kamaltoe Lyden.

jj
jj
8 days ago
Reply to  musicman44mag

You think that what happened yesterday was “a peaceful protest”?
My God, what 3rd World country do you come from?

musicman44mag
musicman44mag
8 days ago
Reply to  jj

It was according to what is required for a peaceful protest by the demonrat standard. It didn’t have the fire, rocks thrown at the police or urine or fireworks. A Trump supporter died at a Portland Oretgone protest and it was considered a peaceful protest. So there fore by demonrat fake news standards, it was a peaceful protest. Can’t you see the similarity?

Charlie Foxtrot
Charlie Foxtrot
8 days ago

The President is throwing those that illegally entered the US Capitol building yesterday under the bus:

RoyD
RoyD
8 days ago

This surprises you coming from the person who directed the abolition of bump stocks? Not me.

Charlie Foxtrot
Charlie Foxtrot
8 days ago
Reply to  RoyD

Nope! No surprise here either!

Charlie Foxtrot
Charlie Foxtrot
8 days ago

LOL. Go back to your QAnon universe! You have already surrendered!

Charlie Foxtrot
Charlie Foxtrot
8 days ago

Take your meds and change your username back to “USA”!

jj
jj
8 days ago

Yeah. And those morons who stole the laptops and took selfies while looting are all being identified and brought to justice.
And clearly, you’ve learned well from your leader (DJT). When frustrated because you’re losing an argument, resort to name-calling, because that’s both really mature and really persuasive.

Charlie Foxtrot
Charlie Foxtrot
8 days ago

A US Capitol Police officer has died after being injured in yesterday’s events.

RoyD
RoyD
8 days ago

Quit being lazy, CF, and post your source.

Charlie Foxtrot
Charlie Foxtrot
8 days ago
Reply to  RoyD

CNN posted it 15 minutes ago. Feel free to wait until your trusted news source reports it.

https://www.cnn.com/politics/live-news/washington-dc-election-riots/h_f809c023931544c5374bdc8c646e9353

RoyD
RoyD
8 days ago

I think I got confirmation about something while reading your post, Crazy Charlie.

Charlie Foxtrot
Charlie Foxtrot
8 days ago
Reply to  RoyD

No problem, Loony Roy. Glad to help out!

gcm
gcm
8 days ago

lol

gcm
gcm
8 days ago

No such thing. (trusted news source that is.)

Charlie Foxtrot
Charlie Foxtrot
8 days ago
Reply to  gcm

Well, thanks to you, former Ammoland Username USA, none of these clowns were wearing face masks and are being searched and arrested by fedgov now. Congrats in helping out the fedgov here!

Oh, and that whole AntiFa thing has been debunked by those that actually exposed AntiFa in the first place, such as Andy Ngo: https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/washington-secrets/expert-andy-ngo-it-wasnt-antifa-at-the-capitol-riots

So far, only one BLM supporter has been identified who was in the Capitol building. The rest of the identified people belonged to QAnon or were completely clueless Trump supporters.

Charlie Foxtrot
Charlie Foxtrot
8 days ago

As I said, thse claims have been thoroughly debunked by those that have been tracking AnfiFa for years. The guy with the supposed “commie tatoo” photo circulated around is a friend of Matthew Heimbach, a Neo-Nazi.

https://twitter.com/stillgray/status/1347026986045067266/photo/1

At this point, only the QAnon folks repeat this AntiFa nonsense. AntiFa hunters, like Andy Ngo, have debunked this thoroughly. But then, the reality doesn’t apply to QAnon folks anyway.

Choogie
Choogie
8 days ago
Reply to  gcm

YOU WANT REAL NEWS. Go to Real Americas Voice. You can find it on RoKu channel. Also The National Pulse. Check them out people. They have the Tapes and the REAL NEWS. They are not main stream media like cbs, nbc, abc, cnn and cnbc. You get Truth and Real News I just found them last week. I may not agree with everything that they say but you get Real News. Not the FAKE MEDIA.

Charlie Foxtrot
Charlie Foxtrot
8 days ago

The death of the officer has now been reported by pretty much everyone. It would not surprise me though if you deny the death, because it doesn’t fit your political narrative, former Ammoland Username USA.

Degforyou
Degforyou
7 days ago

FAKE NEWS

Charlie Foxtrot
Charlie Foxtrot
7 days ago
Reply to  Degforyou

Feel free to elaborate! Anyone can just yell “FAKE NEWS” and run away!

Charlie Foxtrot
Charlie Foxtrot
8 days ago

FOX News now reports (on live TV, so no link) that the officer hasn’t died, but is in critical condition! We will see how this plays out!

Another source: A source confirms a US Capitol Police Officer has been taken off life support and died, after being hit in the head with a fire extinguisher by a rioter yesterday. – https://twitter.com/AlexLimonNews/status/1347333264978145281

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RoyD
RoyD
9 days ago

Here is the video of Babbitt’s murder. The killer is clearly visible:

https://video.twimg.com/ext_tw_video/1347056457846550529/pu/vid/1280×576/nyElURvErYE4N3CH.mp4?tag=10

willyd
willyd
9 days ago
Reply to  RoyD

You can bet one thing for sure that agent will never go to trial or even Identified, it will come back he was only doing his JOB!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Best was that nobody did anything to help her, shows what they had in mind, an agent shot her and the other agents were set on letting her DIE!!!!!!!!!!!

AZ Lefty
AZ Lefty
9 days ago
Reply to  RoyD

Well when you commit sedition and attempt to overthrow the Government Bad things can happen to you and your Fellow Haters of the Constitution

RoyD
RoyD
8 days ago
Reply to  AZ Lefty

LOL!

Charlie Foxtrot
Charlie Foxtrot
8 days ago
Reply to  RoyD

The door was closed and barricaded for a reason! She was trying to access part of the Capitol building that was protected by law enforcement. Play stupid games, win stupid prizes!

RoyD
RoyD
8 days ago

You’ve never been a law enforcement officer have you, Crazy Charlie?

Charlie Foxtrot
Charlie Foxtrot
8 days ago
Reply to  RoyD

Having a temper tantrum and can’t deal with facts, Loony Roy?

RoyD
RoyD
8 days ago

I will deal with the “facts” when you start posting some Crazy Charlie.

Charlie Foxtrot
Charlie Foxtrot
8 days ago
Reply to  RoyD
RoyD
RoyD
8 days ago

Thing is, Crazy Charlie, the members of congress were, at that time, not “in session.” They were exiting the chamber. But that didn’t stop at least one of them, from my State even, from lying about seeing her getting shot. That would be Congressman Mullen.

Capitol Police ‘didn’t have a choice’ in shooting Ashli Babbitt, GOP lawmaker says (https_nypost.com)

Charlie Foxtrot
Charlie Foxtrot
8 days ago
Reply to  RoyD

You are refuting something that I didn’t state, so keep swinging away!

RoyD
RoyD
8 days ago

Your link states it or did you not even bother to read the article. From your link:

“At a press conference, D.C. police said Babbit was shot while attempting to “gain access to the House room” where Congressmembers were still in session.”

You post it, you own it.

Charlie Foxtrot
Charlie Foxtrot
8 days ago
Reply to  RoyD

As I said, you are refuting something that I didn’t state, so keep swinging away! I simply posted the link that contains the information I posted, which is:

The door was closed and barricaded for a reason! She was trying to access part of the Capitol building that was protected by law enforcement. Play stupid games, win stupid prizes!

RoyD
RoyD
8 days ago

Well, Crazy Charlie, your attempt to obfuscate has been a poor one. You should really pick up your game if you are going to have your desired effect. Be careful that you don’t slip into being an out and out liar.

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Charlie Foxtrot
Charlie Foxtrot
8 days ago
Reply to  RoyD

Well, Loony Roy, reading comprehension is essential! Don’t just assume things and pick fights over non-existing arguments!

RoyD
RoyD
8 days ago

Dealing with you, Crazy Charlie, is like me going to the range for target practice. Kind of fun, work on basic skills, poke holes in a defenseless target. It doesn’t get the blood flowing but it passes the time. Thanks.

Charlie Foxtrot
Charlie Foxtrot
8 days ago

Right, because QAnon has been right so far! Trust the plan! LOL

JSNMGC
JSNMGC
8 days ago

Charlie Foxtrot, I’m surprised you made that comment. Irrespective of the different views of the wisdom of what she did, do you believe the response was appropriate? The person who shot her (who was in a different room) took a step forward, aimed deliberately at her, and fired through the window. There were other armed government employees in the same room as Babbitt and they did not seem to believe shooting her was appropriate. One of them could have reached up with one hand and pulled her down. As has already been stated, the government is almost certainly going to… Read more »

JSNMGC
JSNMGC
8 days ago
Reply to  JSNMGC

I’m a big fan of government employees using good judgement and only firing upon non-government employees when there is a legitimate threat. When they don’t use good judgement, I’m a big fan of holding them personally accountable.

When they do use good judgement, I fully support them.

Knute
Knute
8 days ago
Reply to  JSNMGC

But not when it is into a public building that is OWNED by said public. That changes the metric severely.

Charlie Foxtrot
Charlie Foxtrot
8 days ago
Reply to  Knute

I have to agree with Patriot Solutions here, which is odd!

RoyD
RoyD
8 days ago

I find myself not surprised at your statement.

JSNMGC
JSNMGC
8 days ago
Reply to  JSNMGC

I look forward to seeing the results of the investigation, but it’s not clear to me there was a threat that warranted lethal force.

From the videos I have seen, it appears there was a better way to resolve the situation.

KDude
KDude
8 days ago
Reply to  JSNMGC

Guns in the hands of governments have killed more innocent people than non government citizens ever could dream of killing. It’s long past time to set things right. It’s a lot worse that anybody realizes when you let what I just said sink in, and bring it to the logical conclusion. Our 2nd Amendment, the whole US Constitution was designed and intended to not only arm every US citizen, but also to keep guns out of the hands of of our government. It designates governments as servants.And We The People as militia, and grand juries. No police. Presidents had the… Read more »

JSNMGC
JSNMGC
8 days ago
Reply to  KDude

I agree – shootings, starvation, and gas used by the likes of Mao, Stalin, the Kim family, Hitler, Pol Pot, etc. have been horrific. Push back on gun control and unnecessary food production regulations are both important causes.

RoyD
RoyD
8 days ago
Reply to  JSNMGC

Let’s play your game, PS. You are sitting on your sofa in your “Castle” one evening when your front door opens. Now, you normally lock it but you or the wife forgot to do that this time. Into your “Castle” storms a male making wild crazy statements with no visible weapons and in fact isn’t wearing any clothes at all. So you bounce up off the sofa and put two rounds in his chest and then one in the head just to make sure. Good shoot, right PS? Oh, one other detail, the male is an eighty pound 10 year… Read more »

RoyD
RoyD
8 days ago
Reply to  RoyD

The shooter, as of Thursday evening, is off the job pending an investigation. Which, I am sure, will end up like the “investigation” into the actions of Lon Horiuchi.

China Berry
China Berry
8 days ago
Reply to  RoyD

Lon wasn’t trapped inside a building trying to defend others. He was a sniper, safely away from the danger, working without his gargoyle and shooting at people already contained.

RoyD
RoyD
8 days ago
Reply to  China Berry

Why do you post about things of which you obviously have little to no knowledge or understanding?

JSNMGC
JSNMGC
8 days ago
Reply to  China Berry

What threat was Ashli Babbitt posing to the numerous armed government employees in the Capitol Building who had her surrounded and who knew that hundreds of more armed government employees were on the way?

Charlie Foxtrot
Charlie Foxtrot
8 days ago
Reply to  JSNMGC

Watch the video! She was climbing though a broken window of a closed and barricaded door. It seems there were only two officers guarding that door with thier handguns, protecting members of Congress and congressional staffers hunkering down in their offices. The “hundreds of more armed government employees” arrived about 2 hours later. When seconds count …. She was breaking and entering during a riot, but apparently basic self defense law and castle doctrine don’t apply anymore when they don’t fit the political narrative. I guess those two officers should have just let her through, just like you should let… Read more »

JSNMGC
JSNMGC
8 days ago

Or, like I said – the armed government employee standing next to her could have reached out with one hand and pulled her down. You did see him in one of the videos, right?

There were more than two armed government employees available at the time of the incident, and more were arriving every minute.

What threat was she posing?

Charlie Foxtrot
Charlie Foxtrot
8 days ago
Reply to  JSNMGC

You clearly have not seen all the videos. There was no armed government employee standing next to her. They were quite a few feet away, for good reason. They would have been in the line of fire of the officers guarding the door if they were any closer. They were also busy with the other “protestors”. This video clearly shows this:

https://twitter.com/dancohen3000/status/1347076676342185984

JSNMGC
JSNMGC
8 days ago

The video you posted shows four armed government employees in the same room as her. One was close enough to take a step and pull her down.

Instead, the armed government employee in another room took a step toward her and deliberately shot her.

Charlie Foxtrot
Charlie Foxtrot
8 days ago
Reply to  JSNMGC

Take a closer look at the video, step by step. The 3 persons standing in line behind her are not armed LEOs. The 2 are definitely “protestors” and 1 may be a staffer. 1 flees behind the LEOs, 1 kneels down to help her and 1 just stands there. The LEOs are down the stairs, because they know to stay out of the line of fire! They only come up the stairs after the shot. The LEO in the hallway on the other side of the door shoots her the moment she is climbing though the door window. He gets… Read more »

Last edited 8 days ago by Charlie Foxtrot
JSNMGC
JSNMGC
8 days ago

I see four LEOs. Maybe the closest one would have had to take two steps to grab her at the time she was shot. It’s not clear at all that they were hanging back because they anticipated LEOs on the other side of the door to fire. Maybe the results of the investigation will provide more clarity on what was going on, but for right now I’m not convinced lethal force was appropriate. Regarding your comment about stupid games, it’s hard to imagine what she was thinking – maybe a build-up of frustration and she made a bad decision when… Read more »

Charlie Foxtrot
Charlie Foxtrot
8 days ago
Reply to  JSNMGC

Again, watch the video in slow motion, step by step. The closest LEO would had to push away 3 non-LEOs to get her and it is not even clear that any LEO saw what she was doing!

The results of the investigation (in Chief Clancy Wiggum’s voice): “We investigated ourselves and found that we did nothing wrong”.

Oh, and she was QAnon and likely followed Lin Wood’s advice. So, she was probably there to kill Mike Pence!

RoyD
RoyD
8 days ago
Reply to  JSNMGC

 “I’m not convinced lethal force was appropriate.” That’s because it was not appropriate. Now “Crazy Charlie” will take exception to my statement but then, he is crazy, so there is that. Arguing with Crazy Charlie is like going to an insane asylum and expecting to hold lucid conversations with the individuals contained within. There might be moments of lucidity but, for the main, just nonsensical babble. At times that can be amusing but after a while it just gets tiresome.

JSNMGC
JSNMGC
8 days ago
Reply to  RoyD

It is going to be interesting to hear the rationale of how she was an imminent threat at the time she was shot.

Charlie Foxtrot
Charlie Foxtrot
8 days ago
Reply to  JSNMGC

In this case, breaking and entering a secure area of the the US Capitol would be the rationale. No different from breaking and entering a secure area of the White House or any other federal facility! There are typically signs at the entrance about the use of lethal force being authorized.

JSNMGC
JSNMGC
8 days ago

If that is the case, it would have given the LEO the authority to shoot. Just because he had the legal authority to shoot doesn’t mean he should. There are so many different consequences for different behaviors. One person takes over the dorm of an ROTC Residence Hall and “renames” it and then goes on to become Attorney General of the United States. Other people attack a Police Headquarters building and the police follow orders to retreat. The violent rioters trash the building and then fade away. Other people take over a part of a city and rename it and… Read more »

RoyD
RoyD
6 days ago
Reply to  JSNMGC

Your comment, “Just because he had the legal authority to shoot doesn’t mean he should.” hits the nail on the head. I have had two jobs, both with the Federal Govt where, in certain circumstances, I had the authority to use deadly force. The post orders for both of those jobs said, in regards to using deadly force, that “nothing in these post orders shall be a substitute for good judgement and common sense.” Trouble is there are quite a few people who have neither “good judgement or common sense.” They want to be told what to do with no… Read more »

JSNMGC
JSNMGC
6 days ago
Reply to  RoyD

I couldn’t agree more. I am sure there are many LEOs who follow this site who have been in situations where, if they had fired, the determination would have been that the shooting was legally justified and they are glad they did not fire. There are non-LEOs who are in the same boat.

I fully support all the situations where LEOs used good judgement and did fire.

Superman
Superman
6 days ago

So you are OK with ALL of those inside being shot?

Charlie Foxtrot
Charlie Foxtrot
6 days ago
Reply to  Superman

Who are “ALL of those inside being shot” you are talking about? Where do I say that I am OK with “ALL of those inside being shot”? Feel free to post coherent arguments, troll!

Charlie Foxtrot
Charlie Foxtrot
8 days ago
Reply to  RoyD

I posted a new video with timestamps! Feel free to comment, if you are up to a serious discussion that doesn’t involve name calling!

RoyD
RoyD
8 days ago

No, Crazy Charlie, I am done with you.

RoyD
RoyD
8 days ago

Crazy Charlie, I gave you a down vote because now you have just gone off the rails into crazy town. But, you are who you are.

Charlie Foxtrot
Charlie Foxtrot
8 days ago
Reply to  RoyD

So, you haven’t watched the video, have no comment on the matter being discussed and just engage in the usual nonsense. OK, Loony Roy!

Knute
Knute
8 days ago

Charlie:
There was no “climbing” and this video clearly shows that the entire stairwell, and all in it, were under the control of police in full riot gear. They were all standing right behind her.
http://www.informationliberation.com/?id=61990
Now, as per your S.O.P., you will attack me unmercifully, rather than deal with the fact that you are caught in a bold faced lie!

Charlie Foxtrot
Charlie Foxtrot
8 days ago
Reply to  Knute

“Standing right behind her” … as in 3 guys away and down the stairs? Watch the video! Who is right behind her and keeps standing there even after she falls to the ground? That’s not a LEO!

There was no “climbing”” … as she didn’t fall backwards from the door window to the ground? Watch the video! In one video frame, you can even clearly see that she had already one foot though the broken door window!

Thank you for posting ADDITIONAL material that conforms what I posted. This is the new video that you just posted:https://video.brighteon.com/file/Brighteon-staging/hls/0ea72dfd-b525-4190-a1af-ef8d93bb2c8f.m3u8

Charlie Foxtrot
Charlie Foxtrot
8 days ago
Reply to  Knute

Again, using your video: https://video.brighteon.com/file/Brighteon-staging/hls/0ea72dfd-b525-4190-a1af-ef8d93bb2c8f.m3u8

0:08 – You see the LEO that is closest to her engaged in a discussion with another guy. This is probably 12-15 feet away from the door.
0:10 – She is clearly standing upright in the door window. I see 6 protestors and not a single LEO. The shot is fired in that moment.
0:14 – She is on the ground and no LEO even near her.

uncle dudley
uncle dudley
9 days ago

American citizens are fed up with the national media and how they have treated President Trump and they have become another cheerleading section for the liberal democrats who have been trying to get Trump on anything they could to remove him from power. Let’s not forget how our own FBI and CIA spread false information to undermine Trump. Top all this off with the restrictions from democrat states and cities mandating the citizens not to being able to run their own business or send their kids to school. The federal government wanted to send foreign aid to other countries while… Read more »

Oldman
Oldman
9 days ago
Reply to  uncle dudley

If you had spent the day, like I did watching live video on the tube, you would have noticed that a large percentage of the rally attendees were middle aged and older. They were not inside the Rotunda nor were most of them physically able to scale the walls, etc. The event was infiltrated by members of antifa and the like, probably paid for by Soros and his ring of worldwide mercenaries and designed to put an end to the controversy of a botched and stolen General Election. I doubt there will ever be a free and fair election in… Read more »

Dave in Fairfax
Editor
Dave in Fairfax
9 days ago
Reply to  Oldman

Oldman,

I wondered the same thing and then gamed how I would have orchestrated it. If I’d been in the position, and willing to act that way, I would have inserted a group of young to middle aged agent provocateurs into the rally who had been trained to instigate violence and control crowds, which are fairly easy to whip up, into doing something along this line. I would have had them lead the charge over the wall, perhaps up to the doors and then fade back into the crowd and disperse. We’ll prolly never know, but it’s a possibility.

Oldman
Oldman
9 days ago

Dave, As they were showing the videos of the representatives before they were ushered out, there was a look of genuine intense fear on most of the congressmen that were in the balcony of the House, especially the women. They are going to have to now call for a complete shut down of DC., probably forever. To know that the storming of the Capital Building could be that successful in that short of time probably put a little fear into the minds of the whole Swamp. If you imagine that 100-200 of the rioters could have smuggled in SBRs and… Read more »

China Berry
China Berry
8 days ago

Pretty easy to know actually. Lots of photos and videos, many of the insurrectionists are well know for their participation in other extreme right wing event. Q Shaman, Baked Alaska etc. They even have names and boy are they pissed that you are calling them antifa.

musicman44mag
musicman44mag
8 days ago
Reply to  China Berry

Their has also been a lot of trickery and photo shopping done with those photo’s. We need a new saying. Maybe instead of a picture is worth a thousand words, We need, A picture can be worth a thousand lies.

Dave in Fairfax
Editor
Dave in Fairfax
8 days ago
Reply to  China Berry

China Berry, Again, speaking strictly as myself. You have no idea how much it disturbs me that they are upset about my speculation that they might be Antifa. No doubt I’ll lose a lot of sleep over their level of concern. You need to work on your reading comprehension. I didn’t CALL anyone anything, I explained my thought experiment. I am interested in how YOU KNOW what is going on in their minds. If they are so pissed, then they are welcome to come and discuss it with me. Along that line, The night of the protest 3 cars showed… Read more »

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Knute
Knute
8 days ago

“Cowards are like that.”
I think this is why it is said that; “Fortune favors the bold”. I believe it is more a matter of cowards running away when faced with bold action, rather than simply good luck. I believe we make our own luck… good OR bad.

musicman44mag
musicman44mag
8 days ago

It amazes me how we think along the same lines. I played the same game. I wish that we, The American People, could trust what we see on tv and know that we are not being mislead and brainwashed on a daily basis by news media, our politicians and now our politically motivated government. I wish this would all end and we could fix the problem but it seems like for every fix their is an end run around to negate the change. I feel that for one of the few times in my life I am blessed to not… Read more »

Knute
Knute
8 days ago
Reply to  musicman44mag

The founders gave 4 boxes to use. Soap, ballot, jury, and ammunition. To be used in that order, but #4 is all that’s left now.
“Those who make peaceful change impossible, make violent change inevitable.” -JFK

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AZ Lefty
AZ Lefty
9 days ago
Reply to  Oldman

LIAR

RoyD
RoyD
8 days ago
Reply to  AZ Lefty

Aww, what’s the matter, Lefty, did your boyfriend leave you hanging once again today. Poor Lefty…..

Dave in Fairfax
Editor
Dave in Fairfax
8 days ago
Reply to  AZ Lefty

OK, I give, what’s he lying about?

Charlie Foxtrot
Charlie Foxtrot
8 days ago
Reply to  Oldman

The various claims that this was AntiFa have been thoroughly debunked! Andy Ngo wrote about it in the Washington Examiner. It appears that there were a number of well-known and self-described QAnon followers and white supremacists at the forefront.

The vast majority of people that entered the Capitol building weren’t wearing a mask, so they will be receiving federal warrants shortly. Oddly enough, they will be prosecuted under the federal guidelines for rioters that President Trump put in place after the riots last year.

musicman44mag
musicman44mag
8 days ago
Reply to  uncle dudley

I agree and I really wonder if the police letting them breach the building wasn’t part of the plan to show that republicans are violent terrorists and use that to support the narrative that President Trump told them to riot and both are a lie. We have proven time and again that republican’s are of a peaceful nature. That is because of our moral grounding in God and country.

hoss
hoss
9 days ago

When antifa, and bowel movement were rioting, they were referred to as peaceful protests, now the lame stream media declares conservative protests as riots. the problem being the violence came from antifa infiltrators.
At one time I thought this country is in the toilet, then Trump was voted in, and I had hope. Now that the CRBs have stolen the election, and almost everyone in DC has turned on Trump, The toilet has been flushed. This country is lost. The only hope for us is, and has always been God!

Jeremy B.
Jeremy B.
9 days ago
Reply to  hoss

God, really? If god does indeed exist,
I expect no miracles. You do know we get another bite at the apple in 2 years for congress and 4 years for the white house? Don’t you?

You sound defeated and nihilistic. I, for one, will continue to support 2A organizations, introduce new shooters to the sport, and encourage others to do the same.

musicman44mag
musicman44mag
8 days ago
Reply to  Jeremy B.

I don’t see how supporting your second amendment which demonrats want to and might remove has anything to do with an election. In addition they want to take all of our guns away, remember? Tell me. What new guidelines and program will be put in place to keep the next election from being stolen again,. If the left is in power do you really expect them to fix the problem they created or are you sure that with the demonrat changes making all illegals legal, adding DC and US territories as a state and removing the electoral college as well… Read more »

hoss
hoss
8 days ago
Reply to  Jeremy B.

As a Godless heathen you don’t have a chance.
I can see it now, at your funeral, all dressed up, and no where to go.

Superman
Superman
6 days ago
Reply to  Jeremy B.

With voter fraud never going away (which it won’t), who wants to bite a ‘road apple’?

China Berry
China Berry
8 days ago
Reply to  hoss

The Holy Spirit seems to get more done when He has humble broken people to work with. Maybe his will to knock the proud USA down a notch.