Autokeycard.com Seized By ATF, Owner Arrested For Selling A Drawing

Autokeycard.com Seized By the ATF, Owner Arrested For Selling A Drawing
Autokeycard.com Seized By the ATF, Owner Arrested For Selling A Drawing

JACKSONVILLE, FL -(Ammoland.com)- The Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives (ATF) and the United States Postal Inspection Service has arrested a Florida man and seized his websites (autokeycard.com and autokeycards.com) for selling a drawing on a piece of metal.

The ATF raided and arrested Kristopher Justin Ervin, 41, of Jacksonville, FL, for manufacturing machine guns. Ervin did not sell or make any firearms.

The man sold a credit card-sized piece of metal with an outline of a lightning link.

A lightning link is a piece of metal that a user bends to drop into an AR15. When engaged, the lightning link transforms the firearm into a fully automatic machine gun. The ATF recently busted a West Virginia man for selling 3D printed “portal wall hangers” that buyers could use as a drop-in auto sear (DIAS).

Ervin sold his product as a novelty. The autokey card did have a drawing of a lightning link on the surface, but it was far from finished. For a person to use the device in a gun, the end-user would have cut out the lightning link and bend the metal before they could use it in an AR15. The owner of the company did not even etch the lightning link on the piece of metal. It was just an outline

Ervin took orders from customers via a printable order form that the user would mail into the company with payment (money order or cash). The company then would send out the card to the end-user. The United States Attorney’s Office for the Middle District of Florida approved the seizure warrants for the company websites. Since the company did business through the United States Postal Service (USPS), the Postal Inspection Service joined the ATF in the case.

The ATF said the company violated 26 U.S.C. §§ 5845, 5861. The statute says it is a violation of federal law to manufacture, receive, transport, and/or deliver a machinegun not registered in the National Firearms Registration and Transfer Record.

The ATF admits that Ervin did not sell a complete machine gun but did point to 26 U.S.C. §§ 5845(b).

Under that subsection, it is illegal to possess “any part designed and intended solely and exclusively, or combination of parts designed and intended, for use in converting a weapon into a machinegun.” The ATF did not buy that Ervin was selling the autokey card as a novelty. The law enforcement agency will probably not extend that defense to gun owners that purchased the auto keycard off the man’s website.

The ATF says that anyone who owns an auto keycard purchased from the site violates the National Firearms Act (NFA). The agency will charge anyone busted with the device with a federal felony. Gun owners can face ten years in prison, and a fine of up to $250,000 per device owned. Since most people purchased multiple cards, the penalties could add up and be very costly.

The ATF asks anyone who has an autokey card to contact their local ATF office. By contacting the ATF, gun owners are not avoiding prosecution. The ATF does not promise amnesty from charges. AmmoLand News recommends that owners of autokey cards should contact a lawyer before contacting the ATF.

One lawyer who specializes in firearms told AmmoLand News off the record that he wouldn’t want to be the prosecutor in the case, but knowing the court system’s makeup, he also would not want to be the one being charged with the crime either.

The ATF did not return AmmoLand News’s calls for comment.


About John Crump

John is a NRA instructor and a constitutional activist. John has written about firearms, interviewed people of all walks of life, and on the Constitution. John lives in Northern Virginia with his wife and sons and can be followed on Twitter at @crumpyss, or at www.crumpy.com.

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Larry
Larry
12 days ago

The ATF did not buy that Ervin was selling the autokey card as a novelty.”

It’s not like this flavor of overreach is new. Under Massachusetts laws since 1975, simple possession of one expended brass casing, or even a novelty “bullet” keychain or belt buckle, by anyone not may-issue-licensed to own (yes, simply own, not carry) a firearm is punishable by a minimum one-year mandatory sentence.

Detroit deplorable
Detroit deplorable
19 days ago

Also,I’d like to add. “ A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.” bear verb US /beər/ past tense bore US/bɔr, boʊr/ | past participle borne US/bɔrn, boʊrn/ bear verb (CARRY) [ T ] to carry or bring something: Fans bearing banners ringed the stadium And infringe verb [ I/T ] US /ɪnˈfrɪndʒ/ to act in a way that is against a law or that limits someone’s rights or freedom: [ T ] Copying videos infringes copyright law. [ I always… Read more »

Detroit deplorable
Detroit deplorable
19 days ago

I’d recommend that anyone who bought those turn them in on no questions asked police “gun buy backs” because by definition owning an auto sear is considered owning a machine gun, so each card contains three machine guns. No questions asked.. boom. What is it? 250 per gun you turn in? Burn them and use the money to build an 80%er

American Patriot
American Patriot
1 month ago

Just tell them your a liberal democRat that voted for Buyden & that you are part of BLM and they will apologize for wasting your time!!!

swmft
swmft
1 month ago

the stupid thing is the the atf is illegal under the constitution, and according to the miller ruling type of weapons protected are the type a military would have funny no one pointed trench guns are short barreled shotguns as are street sweepers

Beeroy
Beeroy
1 month ago

Law abiding Fudds are why the second amendment won’t save any of us from a tyrant.

Mack
Mack
1 month ago

Like so many federal laws, there is no scienter, intent, or specific intent.

As in “It shall be unlawful for any person knowingly and intentionally …”

And that absence of intent is a feature not a bug.

And as for The Law is the Law crowd here, I agree.

But understand God’s Law is First.

Man’s law is subordinate.

JSNMGC
JSNMGC
1 month ago
Reply to  Mack

What are your views regarding a future law to ban the possession of semiautomatic rifles? If a bill is passed by the House and Senate and signed into law by the President, do you believe that law should be enforced?

USMC0351Grunt
USMC0351Grunt
1 month ago
Reply to  Mack

Then tell God to shut down the ATF!

JNew
JNew
1 month ago

Good job, boys. You arrested a man over something five million other Americans can already do.

USMC0351Grunt
USMC0351Grunt
1 month ago
Reply to  JNew

The Civil Rights counter-suit should fill Ervin’s pockets enough to carry him through retirement,

Chappy Dave
Chappy Dave
1 month ago

On the face of it, he’s NOT GUILTY. The regulations include the words: “any part designed and intended solely and exclusively…” But it’s a NOVELTY item. Most people will use it as that. So it’s not “designed and intended solely and exclusively” as a “machine gun part”, even if a TINY MINORITY of the purchasers MIGHT try to do that!

Buster
Buster
1 month ago
Reply to  Chappy Dave

They know full well he’s not guilty. They knew Trump was not guilty, same with Roger Stone and Michael Flynn.

It’s called intimidation, and they justify it by thinking “for the greater good”. It’s a very effective tool, and a tool available to us – IF we have the guts to use it.

StLPro2A
StLPro2A
1 month ago

Hmmm……in a class teaching how to use a laser etcher, I arbitrarily selected a diagram of a M16 to etch onto the metal tag along with my name address etc to make a gun case luggage tag. Does that mean I made an illegal auto firearm??? Please come visit me at the Gray Bar Motel.

USMC0351Grunt
USMC0351Grunt
1 month ago
Reply to  StLPro2A

YES! And that unregistered Pop Tart that you chewed into the form of a semi-automatic pistol? You’re goin’ down for THAT too!

Random71
Random71
1 month ago

“Thus the right of nullification meant by Mr. Jefferson is the natural right, which all admit to be a remedy against insupportable oppression.” -James Madison

Gen.Patton
Gen.Patton
1 month ago

The incessant and braindead wearing of masks proves in this present day how the Jews were killed so easily in the Holocaust.
The Global Marxists/Technocrats will continue to push relentlessly.
If the powers that be told you to put a plastic bag over your head and zip tie it to your neck…you would absolutely NOT THINK TWICE.

RoyD
RoyD
1 month ago

Funny thing is you could give me the “parts” properly cut out and bent and I wouldn’t have a clue as to how they would go into my AR15 and furthermore have absolutely no desire to know how to install them in my firearm. But, that’s my take on it.

musicman44mag
musicman44mag
1 month ago
Reply to  RoyD

My feeling exactly. I hear you can look up how to make a bomb on youtube and I haven’t bothered to do that either. I cant believe that at one time or possibly right now you still might be able to learn that stuff and look it up. There are some things we just don’t need to know or have. I knew that drones were going to become a problem the minute they hit the shelves.

RoyD
RoyD
1 month ago
Reply to  musicman44mag

As one who as a young lad used Silver Salutes, Cherry Bombs, M-80s all months of the year and, later in life spent some time as a 55C20, explosives are kind of second nature to me. Haven’t made any “big booms” in a long time but the training and experience is burned into my brain.

Tionico
Tionico
1 month ago
Reply to  RoyD

Kid I met in third grade, and we kept in touch prettymuch up until he died some years back, drew a low number in the draft lotter, dumped his 4S defernemtnand joined the Navy. He went into SEALS and UDT. Three nine-month hot tours in ‘Nam later he cme out without a physicla scratch, but he was pretty much a nutjob after that. The stories he told me about what he learne and did with explosives were astounding. I could mention some of the common houeshold materials they used to do things like DESTROY a bunker on Camp Pendleton during… Read more »

JH1961
JH1961
1 month ago
Reply to  RoyD

How does one ‘unlearn’ something?

odinn62
odinn62
1 month ago
Reply to  musicman44mag

you only want to know what your master says you should know? That is a brain dead argument .knowledge is power and the more you know the better off you will be .quit kneeling to your masters .

musicman44mag
musicman44mag
1 month ago
Reply to  odinn62

To: O62 Ok, they left this article up long enough I think I will reply. I kneel to no person. My master is in heaven and he is the only one I will kneel to. I agree knowledge is power and that is a good or bad thing depending how it is used, but knowledge that can destroy other peoples lives on a massive scale in the hands of an idiot or terrorist is not. The ability to kill someone or a group of people on a plane 1 mile away with a drone is not. Don’t forget we have… Read more »

Buster
Buster
1 month ago
Reply to  RoyD

And in semi-auto mode (vs F-A), you’d probably be more effective in a firefight 🙂

USMC0351Grunt
USMC0351Grunt
1 month ago
Reply to  Buster

You ARE more effective in a semi-auto firefight IF you command your windage, elevation, breathing and squeezing. Even the Marine Corps M-60 machine Gun Instructors would have told you that. (As well as the full-auto instructors today on whatever FA weapon.)

In the Marines we qualified with M16-A1’s with iron sights out to 500 yards… Now they are using scopes, which personally I think will cripple our Grunts if they were ever disabled and the Grunts had to rely on iron sights?

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musicman44mag
musicman44mag
1 month ago
Reply to  USMC0351Grunt

But they have night vision. That is an advantage over the enemy that they most likely don’t have. For some reason I think when I qualified our range was set up in meters. Your right, I loved making my M-16 shoot in 3 and 5 round bursts. It was easy with practice. We both were trained that the only thing you really need full auto for is suppression for troop advancement not so much in engagement unless they are right on you and you are overwhelmed and outnumbered. Too many people go by what they see in the movies because… Read more »

Dee
Dee
1 month ago
Reply to  RoyD

I agree with you Roy. I really don’t see a need too to go Tatatatatatatatatatatatatat. Ammo is too expensive. Just bang bang bang is enough for me to hunt and my family protection but to each their own.

Finnky
Finnky
1 month ago
Reply to  Dee

Felt that way two years ago before ammogedon. Now semiautomatic 22LR is about my limit for volume shooting. Occasional 223 to get the lead out (clean the gas system) and a bit of 9 or 10 for recoil management practice…

BOB
BOB
1 month ago
Reply to  Dee

The guy next door to me had a bump stock. I watched him attempt to hit a 55 gal. drum. Two hit out of 30. All the rest went high. Seems to me to be a waste of ammo. I showed him my AR 15 and placed all 30 rounds on paper. His response was “that’s dumb”.

Rob
Rob
1 month ago
Reply to  BOB

Suggest you move far away from this clown.

musicman44mag
musicman44mag
1 month ago
Reply to  BOB

I’d rather be in a fire fight against him than you. You were talking to a dummy load.

StreetSweeper
StreetSweeper
1 month ago

Is the illustration of the “autokeycard” above this article also a machine gun?

musicman44mag
musicman44mag
1 month ago
Reply to  StreetSweeper

LOL,, that is the first thought that hit my brain when I saw it. Maybe the changed the diagram so they couldn’t be charged for the same thing.

musicman44mag
musicman44mag
1 month ago
Reply to  John Crump

LOL, that would be a great ending to a B.S. scam.

Tionico
Tionico
1 month ago
Reply to  John Crump

oh but John, don’t you remember? This is a crime for thee but a day’s work for me. Those clowns, as ever are gummit minioins, “exempt”. WHY else to you think so many swampdwellers have clearly committed all manner of serious crimes and not one has ever even been charged?

Whatzit
Whatzit
1 month ago
Reply to  StreetSweeper

Yes. It’s not on metal, however, the drawing is the same. By the way, exactly what kind of metal is required to make it a machine gun? Would aluminum foil suffice? How about a sheet of lead? Hard steel? Copper? Idiots…

Tionico
Tionico
1 month ago
Reply to  StreetSweeper

You too? Hah, all that needs to hapoen now is for someone to cut/paste that image, PDF it, then send it to a print device that can squirt ink onto stickyback plastic film. Mail them out to all your friends, and perhaps a few of your most hated enemies (congresscritters?) (Shotgun Joe?) place those stickers on every outbound envelope or package you send, when you mail in your property tax payment, etc. Thus everything you ut it on would be come a “machine gun”. Make Alinsky proud!!!

USMC0351Grunt
USMC0351Grunt
1 month ago
Reply to  StreetSweeper
Buster
Buster
1 month ago

“Intent” is everything. Infringement of 2nd Amendment aside, the man’s intent is clear, and that’s all that matters.

I side with BATF on this one

JSNMGC
JSNMGC
1 month ago
Reply to  Buster

No wonder infringement will continue.

Buster
Buster
1 month ago
Reply to  JSNMGC

It’s not about infringement – the law is the law. If you don’t like a particular law, then work to change it – there’s a system in place that allows for such.

The grousing and whining on Ammoland is non-stop.

JSNMGC
JSNMGC
1 month ago
Reply to  Buster

“The law is the law.”

Well, there we have it.

Buster, do you, or did you, “bust” people for a paycheck?

If there were a law to ban semiautomatic rifles, should LEOs enforce that law if they are ordered to do so?

Whatzit
Whatzit
1 month ago
Reply to  JSNMGC

I love the “law is law” argument. The law is NOT the word of God. Laws can be unjust, immoral, wrong. If his argument were correct, we’d still be an outpost of England.

JSNMGC
JSNMGC
1 month ago
Reply to  Whatzit

Most of the evil committed in the last 100 years was done by armed government employees following orders to enforce laws.

At some point, it comes down to a good person refusing to obey a bad law and a law enforcer making a decision on whether he is going follow a bad order to enforce a bad law.

Buster won’t answer whether the question about the laws being pushed by totalitarians to ban semiautomatic rifles.

Dee
Dee
1 month ago
Reply to  JSNMGC

People do make laws and 400 yrs ago laws were made by a certain group of people that change the scope and lives of millions. That’s why I’m so against voter oppression. And Trumpism methods of gerrymandering. I’m for criminal and former criminals voting as well. They could help change laws that could overturn a former conviction. Repubs don’t oppose laws that restrict non-whites rights until they feel their rights are infringed but if we start looking at man as an individual instead as a color then we all can come together to fight for the same ideas but they… Read more »

JSNMGC
JSNMGC
1 month ago
Reply to  Dee

This thread is about government employees interpreting gun control laws in a manner that is ridiculous and the risk of passing more and more gun control laws. The discussion is about how that inclination will lead to more problems. My comment was about the horror that has resulted from government employees enforcing immoral laws over the last 100 years (such as those enforced by Mao, Stalin, Hitler, the Kim family, Pol Pot, and other totalitarians). Since you brought it up, all seven of the Democrats on the supreme court (and only those seven) in 1857 said a human being could… Read more »

Dee
Dee
1 month ago
Reply to  JSNMGC

The emphasis on Democrats I thought was a mood point. You see then the now Republican Party was the Democrat Party. Hence Abe Lincoln was a Republican who fought for the Union. The Confederate was primarily Democrats. Now I take it that you knew that and only wanted to be slightly misleading for Trump supporters whose reading in. Okay now that that’s out of the way. I was only commenting on the gentleman post. So things can easy digress but I do believe people make laws and there is where we start to make change. BATFE is an agency of… Read more »

JSNMGC
JSNMGC
1 month ago
Reply to  Dee

I see you have fallen for the “the parties have switched” narrative. It doesn’t really matter though, most politicians have a strong pull towards authoritarianism. Neither party has done anything to restrain the BATFE. Barr (twice) was as bad as Reno and Holder. When Trump nominated Barr, I provided information to some fellow Republican voters and indicated I believed Barr to be a bad choice. They said Barr couldn’t be bad because Trump nominated him. Now those same people say Barr is bad because he didn’t stand by Trump. TDS-Type B is real. I’ve concluded almost all legislators at the… Read more »

Dee
Dee
1 month ago
Reply to  JSNMGC

Awwww…I see how you did that. Lol. Now that’s funny. “I know my girl is ugly but yours uglier!” LOL Also why are we talking bout issues. Let’s the voters decide that. That’s what I’ve been saying. Let the voters decide and don’t be complicit. Niemöller perhaps said it best when talking about Hitler’s regime: First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out—because I was not a socialist. Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a trade unionist. Then they came for the Jews, and I… Read more »

JSNMGC
JSNMGC
1 month ago
Reply to  Dee

In prior threads, the policies you have advocated for are:

  • Reparations from people who did nothing wrong to people who have not been wronged; and
  • Even more taxpayer dollars pumped into dysfunctional micro-cultures in a manner that will not improve anything.

I’m not getting on board.

Dee
Dee
1 month ago
Reply to  JSNMGC

No worries. Your ass will canceled or considered racist preferably both!!

Yeah you’re racist AF. You don’t think that millions of people in slavery suffered and affected their offspring and eventually their offspring and so forth and so on. Opposite is true for the individuals who earn money from that fu(k sh!t and how their kids and decedents benefitted from it. Talking bout “to people who have not been wrong.” Boomer we just waiting for your time to expire anyways.

RoyD
RoyD
1 month ago
Reply to  Dee

Never let anyone tell you that you aren’t a Hoot, because you are!

JSNMGC
JSNMGC
1 month ago
Reply to  RoyD

Wait until he finds out George Floyd wasn’t murdered.

JSNMGC
JSNMGC
1 month ago
Reply to  Dee

Everything is racist.

So many discriminatory policies in favor of Blacks that have been squandered.

JSNMGC
JSNMGC
1 month ago
Reply to  JSNMGC

Will, Like so many others, he attempts to control the narrative by threats and name-calling. A weak argument can’t survive a logical discussion. It’s why hate speech is as bad as gun control. A law that started out as something that sounded “nice” to many, has grown and grown until it has become a weapon to ruin the lives of people who have different opinions. If someone wallows in victimhood their entire life and most people enable them, they simply can’t bear to hear a different opinion. He is consistent though – for the almost four months we have posted… Read more »

Bob
Bob
8 days ago
Reply to  JSNMGC

The major problem as I see it is that the reparations of which he speaks were given in the 6ps when Johnson stole the Social Security fund and started the”great society” which brought everyone in the country (supposedly) even. The only problem was that those who were supposed to be brought “even” didn’t want to hear anything “Whitey”had to say. There went billions down the tubes for absolutely nothing. Another dumb democratic party boondoggle. And then there were many more before and since. Pruitt Igoe in St. Louis in the late 50s was a high-rise development primarily for people of… Read more »

Buster
Buster
1 month ago
Reply to  Dee

Suppose I’m a racist, Dee. Please tell me what law(s) I’ve broken?

Or are you somehow authorized (and qualified) to judge my moral values?

JSNMGC
JSNMGC
1 month ago
Reply to  Dee

Posted a reply, but it’s on hold.

USMC0351Grunt
USMC0351Grunt
1 month ago
Reply to  Dee

WTF? There isn’t enough Brain Bleach to get the crap you spew out of my brain!?! “BATFE is an agency of individuals of the Federal Government which is made up of people we elect in office.” WHO in THE F “elected” ANY of these agents? What country do you reside in? It sure as hell isn’t the United States, nor do you have a fundamental grasp of U.S. Jurisprudence!

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RoyD
RoyD
1 month ago
Reply to  JSNMGC

While you’re putting together your list don’t leave out the Boer War.

Second Boer War – Wikipedia

JSNMGC
JSNMGC
1 month ago
Reply to  Dee

Posted a response, but it is on hold.

Dee
Dee
1 month ago
Reply to  JSNMGC

Gotcha! No problem.

Dasher_Dork
Dasher_Dork
1 month ago
Reply to  Dee

Ha…can’t wait for all the heroin dealers to start voting to make heroin legal…won’t that work out well for everyone

P.S. Rittenhouse is about as clear of a self-defense case as there is… perhaps you should let go of some of your prejudice of others

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Dee
Dee
1 month ago
Reply to  Dasher_Dork

Hey but guess what you can vote against it. It’s democracy. Lol. But if heroin dealers can flip the vote like that then we have a WHOLE lot of other issues. But wait heroin dealers can vote:).

And your comment about clear case….ummm…was he charged? Arrested? Awaiting trial? Obviously smart guy it’s not that convincing. LOL

Dasher_Dork
Dasher_Dork
1 month ago
Reply to  Dee

Seems like a lot of people voted against Trump, yet there he was as president for 4 years. Crazy huh… seems like Bush ended up in there too. Crazy what people will vote for… Trump sure as hell wasn’t my first choice but he’s still a better option for me than Hillary or Biden. Many people are charged and arrested, this one is purely due to political pressure to do so… he’ll walk but not before the state wasting a lot of taxpayer time and money. You know, kind of how Zimmerman was…or all these AG’s trying to charge cops.… Read more »

Bob
Bob
8 days ago
Reply to  Dee

Yea, but you know as well as I do that heroin dealers won’t vote. Why weren’t the rioters or attempted murderers charged? Because of the stupid, cowards that were “in charge” of the city government.

USMC0351Grunt
USMC0351Grunt
1 month ago
Reply to  Dasher_Dork

Oregon beat them to it! ALL drugs are decriminalized in OreGONE!

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/oregon-1st-state-to-decriminalize-possession-of-hard-drugs

Bob
Bob
8 days ago
Reply to  Dee

Fwiw, the people to whom you refer 400 years ago were Brits, NOT us. They were also certain Chieftans of various tribes in Africa. Again not us. We didn’t invent slavery. It’s almost as old as prostitution. For all we know, the first prostitute could have been a slave who was trafficked. As far as your sentence that starts with Repubs goes, there are many more than you even think who have always been opposed to laws that restrict anyone’s rights, Ever! I for one have had to show a picture ID every time I have voted. As far as… Read more »

RoyD
RoyD
1 month ago
Reply to  Buster

Buster, don’t you have someone’s penis that you are supposed to be working on instead of posting shit here on this site?

Buster
Buster
1 month ago
Reply to  RoyD

and this is the level of intelligence
I now remember about you.

Dee
Dee
1 month ago
Reply to  Buster

He’s kinda old like a grandpa. Cut him some slack Buster. #old #privileged

RoyD
RoyD
1 month ago
Reply to  Buster

At least I made an impression whereas I have no recollection of anything you may have posted before. It’s like that with some people.

Dee
Dee
1 month ago
Reply to  RoyD

Roy play nice now. You too old for that sh!t!!!

RoyD
RoyD
1 month ago
Reply to  Dee

Balls, strikes, and outs; I call them as I see them.

JSNMGC
JSNMGC
1 month ago
Reply to  Buster

Willingness to follow/enforce any and all laws “non-stop” gets you here:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sobibor_extermination_camp

You can get out, but it’s a lot easier to decide not to go in the first place.

Last edited 1 month ago by JSNMGC
Random71
Random71
1 month ago
Reply to  Buster

Also to the point that “the law is the law.” There is one little problem in that the “law” you are saying should be enforced is technically against the highest law in the country, which is in theory supposed to be the constitution. Per SCOTUS in an unchallenged ruling: “It is also not entirely unworthy of observation, that in declaring what shall be the supreme law of the land, the constitution itself is first mentioned; and not the laws of the United States generally, but those only which shall be made in pursuance of the constitution, have that rank.” Gun… Read more »

musicman44mag
musicman44mag
1 month ago
Reply to  Random71

Buster: Nice answer.

Buster
Buster
1 month ago
Reply to  Buster

Grouse on, fellow Patriots, grouse on. When you’re ready to actually do something, let me know.

Wake me up when the killin’ starts.

Grigori
Grigori
1 month ago
Reply to  Buster

“Fellow Patriots”????
Somehow, you do not sound st all like a “patriot” of any stripe.

Buster
Buster
1 month ago
Reply to  Grigori

Talk Talk TalkTalkTalk Talk…Talk Talk Talk TalkTalkTalk Talk…TalkTalk Talk TalkTalkTalk Talk…Talk Talk Talk TalkTalkTalk Talk…Talk

Say it fast enough, add some inflection, and it sounds just like a chicken.

Dee
Dee
1 month ago
Reply to  Grigori

Stop!! Who you to say he’s not a patriot. I think Buster is as much of a patriot as you. Now those individuals who stormed and rioted the capital are definitely NOT patriot. Those individuals are terrorist! Unless Buster was at the capital he’s a patriot. I’m a patriot! And so are you.

Tionico
Tionico
1 month ago
Reply to  Dee

the vast mnajority who went accross to theCapitol building on 6 Jan were there to do exactly and only what Trump had asked them to do.. to PEACEFULLY assemble to speak against the travesty of the illegal activities that led to the fraudulant results of the November election. They had NO INTENT to violate any laws, cause any damage, or harm anyone. Get real. if that crowd of half a million HAD intended to “overthrow the government” all the officers of Cap Police, NG, CIA, DHS ut together did not have a fractioin of the rounds it would have required… Read more »

Dee
Dee
1 month ago
Reply to  Tionico

Huh?? Ummmm I really don’t know how to respond to this. Intent but do??? Oooohhhh…Trump told them?? LOL…I’m really trying to stop laughing while I’m writing this(think I’m responding to a Trump guy)….okay but they decided to terrorize the capital and the law abiding citizens inside. But they did have weapons and restrictive hardware amongst other things. All of those individuals are inAmerican period!! Hint of advice: Stop supporting dumb asses(Trump). Thought I’ll spell it out because you may not know who I was referring to.

Grigori
Grigori
1 month ago
Reply to  Dee

No, Buster impresses me as a gelding sheep. His kind, in the mid and late 1700’s would have sided with The Crown, spouting his “duh, da law is da law”, nonsense. We would have remained subjects of The Crown had his attitude been the prevailing one of the day. If the doo doo is getting ugly, I promise I want neither of you anywhere around me.

Finnky
Finnky
1 month ago
Reply to  Grigori

@Buster’s posts can be read a couple of ways. He may be saying we should jump straight to killing, using the “established” method of changing laws – ie revolution. Alternatively he is saying “sit down and sit up” – accept and obey “the law”. Either way, I disagree. There is no way we should accept such laws, but we are not (quite) at point where violent resistance is necessary. @Buster is either bloodthirsty or a sycophant. As @Grigori says – not a patriot. A patriot works to protect and better our country for the benefit of all. Resorting to violence… Read more »

Buster
Buster
1 month ago
Reply to  Finnky

@Finnky: Everyone has their limit, and it seems the left is searching for it as quickly as they know how.

But I’m curious. What event(s) will have to happen before you would go violent? The flash point is different for everyone, and maybe that’s the problem – we lack focus?

Finnky
Finnky
1 month ago
Reply to  Buster

@Buster – They certainly are pushing hard. You may be right that I need to focus on selecting a drop dead line. As it is, I would probably recognize and admit the need only after they are at my door. I personally do not possess the skills to prevail at that point, so planning is key. When applied, violence should be overwhelming, unexpected and ruthless. Until then, let us continue to present a facade of civilization and continue enjoying what freedom we retain and the current (though temporary) peace. If “they” institute additional intolerable restrictions and pack the court to… Read more »

Last edited 1 month ago by Finnky
Tionico
Tionico
1 month ago
Reply to  Buster

what, killin gummit aid gents who are enforcing unconstitutional laws? Dontchya know that’s violating some OTHER law, and yuo apparently want to get in on that type of violation? Makes perfect sense.. to a tyrant.

Bob
Bob
8 days ago
Reply to  Tionico

And precisely what law is that?????

Tionico
Tionico
1 month ago
Reply to  Buster

oh is it really now? IS that “law” denying us our machine guns “enacted persuant to the Constitt=ition”? I say no it is NOT, for that document, the “supreme law of the land” clearly has commanded everyone to NOT INFRINGE upon ur God-given right to arms. Thus this thing is null, void, of no effect, and not law by any means.

“the law is the law” ONLY includes LAWS that are enacted persuant to that hated and despised, yet still binding in all of us, Constituton.

Buster
Buster
1 month ago
Reply to  Tionico

At some point – it’s coming soon – the communist/socialists will cross the line and we’ll have to take up arms and kill a lot of people.

But as it stands, the law is the law. The autokey guy tried to stay under the radar and failed. I’m sure he’ll have a lot of bulls**t answers for the court, but I doubt he’ll prevail.

Jeffersonian
Jeffersonian
1 month ago
Reply to  Buster

So you’re saying there is no “law” you would not enforce, and no order you would not obey.

Buster
Buster
1 month ago
Reply to  Jeffersonian

No, I did not say that.

Jeffersonian
Jeffersonian
1 month ago
Reply to  Buster

You said, and I copy-paste: “It’s not about infringement – the law is the law.” So tell me, what law would you not enforce? What order would you not obey? Let us suppose – not unreasonably, since he promised as much during the campaign – that the Biden (or as seems increasingly likely, the Harris) administration issues an Executive Order banning all AR15s and requiring police to use Form 4473 and NICS records to find and confiscate them. Would you obey that order? Would you enforce that law? No weasel-words, no nuances, no grey areas, no extenuating circumstances. YES OR… Read more »

Buster
Buster
1 month ago
Reply to  Jeffersonian

I’m not in law enforcement, so I’m not charged with law enforcement duty. As a citizen, would I comply?? Hell no! I wish Biden would issue such an EO. That’s the kind’ve trigger we need to push us into civil war. I feel war is inevitable, so the sooner we get started, the better. All I ever said was that making the 90% machine gun parts violated the law. I never said the law was appropriate or even Constitutional. And the cops who made the arrest are not qualified to decide Constitutionality. The autokey guy tested the government, gambled, and… Read more »

USMC0351Grunt
USMC0351Grunt
1 month ago
Reply to  Buster

DUMBASS: Definition; ANY person that truly believes that ANY person, organization or agency outside of The United States Congress or United States Supreme Court has the power and / or authority to even begin thinking they have enough active brain cells to make, change, decide or interpret LAW.

Last edited 1 month ago by USMC0351Grunt
musicman44mag
musicman44mag
1 month ago
Reply to  Buster

I know not being part of fake book and tweaker that I am missing out on a lot of garbage but who would advertise something like this or that other hanger thing that I never heard about until I read the article on Ammoland. I’m sure they didn’t see it in a guns and ammo magazine.

Buster
Buster
1 month ago
Reply to  musicman44mag

JMHO: Talk radio died with the stolen election. Trump died when he had all the crooks gathered in one place and did nothing. Oathkeepers died when they did (and continue to do) nothing – despite their “Sacred Oath”. That Virginia Citizens whatever died when they did (and continue to do) nothing. NRA, GAO, Oathkeepers – they’ll all do something, just as soon as we send money. Meanwhile, the PINO’s (Patriot In Name Only) grouse incessantly. The only thing an enemy will ever pay attention to is action. How many of you patronized Amazon or Paypal this week? How many of… Read more »

Heed the Call-up
Heed the Call-up
1 month ago
Reply to  Buster

The VCDL did nothing? It rallied and stopped many bad bills from being enacted, and those that were, were watered-down to the point of meaninglessness. I don’t use FB, PayPal, Twitter, etc. I also buy American when possible and avoid Chinese products as best able. Sometimes there is no other choice, but Chinese. All my knives are American-made and made with American steel. My handguns were also all made in the USA, though a few are from a company that is headquartered in Italy. I vote, I contact my reps, and even ones that aren’t as their votes still affect… Read more »

Tionico
Tionico
1 month ago
Reply to  Buster

My my, such a cheery and positive assessment here…. I personally choose not to accept the validity of your rant. I’ve seen too much “out there” that dispells your positioin.

Grigori
Grigori
1 month ago
Reply to  Buster

I am having a hard time understanding you. One minute, you sound like a wuss (“the law is the law”) and with this one, you sound like you actually have a pair. I like this side better.

Buster
Buster
1 month ago
Reply to  Grigori

The law is the law, and it will be overly-enforced against select individuals. Don’t count on court victories to save your freedoms – especially since the enemy now control the outcome of elections.

Bob
Bob
8 days ago
Reply to  Buster

1, No Amazon or PayPal.
2,Twitter suspended me. I cancelled them.
3, I cancelled Facebook after a week. Couldn’t handle it anymore.
4, Since I am from Tennessee, my Stars and Bars are hanging in my pole barn, not in front of my condo. ( It’s illegal. It’s part of the condo documents I agreed to so I could stay here with my wife).
5, I haven’t had a covid mask on in 3 weeks.

Buster
Buster
1 month ago
Reply to  musicman44mag

Even ammoland links to tweaker and fake book, and they censor free speach also. Hypocrisy seems to rule the day

Stag
Stag
1 month ago
Reply to  Buster

Butters and Fudds are cancer. You’re not supposed to deepthroat the boot.

Buster
Buster
1 month ago
Reply to  Stag

I think I gete your point, but I’m not sure.

uncle dudley
uncle dudley
1 month ago

Since this was just a drawing and not a cut to fit drop in part for a firearm, I would think it would be a violation of the first amendment rights of Ervin.
What if he just sold these as a framed picture to hang on the wall of a firearm collector ,how does the government know what the intent of the buyer would be let alone the seller.
Our government doesn’t represent us anymore, they are our nanny’s.

Buster
Buster
1 month ago
Reply to  uncle dudley

An excellent point, and one which will be decided by a court. But until then, no mas.

JSNMGC
JSNMGC
1 month ago
Reply to  Buster

What other “common sense” gun control do you support?

Dee
Dee
1 month ago
Reply to  JSNMGC

I don’t think Buster is saying he doesn’t fight for our gun rights. I think he’s just reconfirming that the law states one thing and instead of arguing back and forth, let’s put that energy towards the voters box or voicing our opinions to a higher body of people because we all know here is where the “deplorables” hang out!

Montana454Casull
Montana454Casull
1 month ago

When the BATF arrests Eric Holder, Barrack Obama , Joe Biden and the rest involved in Fast and furious ( Gun walking) then they will be credible until then they are just supporting criminal government activities . They are the problem not the solution. They American people need to desolve these alpha bet soup agencies . They are all corrupt and do not serve the American people anymore than the brown shirts or SS served the citizens of Germany. The BATF is a rogue agency that is a danger to Americans and freedom .

JSNMGC
JSNMGC
1 month ago

They are not a rogue agency – they report up to the President, via the AG’s organization (just like they did from 2017 through 2020).

Tionico
Tionico
1 month ago
Reply to  JSNMGC

that helps to confirm their position as a rogue agency. The “president” is a rogue place-holder, this when BATF reports to him, they are part of his rogue operation.

BATF do far too much on their own anyway. Remember, it was THEY who brought us Fast and FUrious.. and who have prosecuted quite a number of former FFLs who refused to make straw sales to VERY suspect “buyers”, and BATF got mad because they would not play footies under the table, and ruined their lives and businesses. Not rogue? THen what IS.?

JSNMGC
JSNMGC
1 month ago
Reply to  Tionico

They will follow orders. GHW Bush/Barr didn’t give them orders to stand down (Ruby Ridge) Clinton/Reno didn’t give them orders to stand down (Waco) Obama/Holder didn’t give them orders to stand down (Fast and Furious) Trump/Barr didn’t give them orders to stand down. (braced pistol and 80% pistol frame reinterpretations) Trump ordered them to ban bump stock – and they followed orders. Don’t forget, Trump wanted to appoint a BATFE Director who was so anti-gun the Senate indicated they wouldn’t confirm him so Trump had to pull the nomination. Barr (who reported to Trump) then appointed an Acting Director who… Read more »

KDude
KDude
1 month ago

BATFE will never be “credible”. There is no BATFE in the US Constitution. There is no funding for these rogue agencies in the US Constitution. And they’ve committed threats, armed robbery and murder against American citizens and their dogs, children and wives. BATFE is truly a terrorist organization.

JSNMGC
JSNMGC
1 month ago
Reply to  KDude

Trump could have cut their budget significantly and he could have changed their priorities. He didn’t because he knew Republican voters would not hold him accountable.

Dee
Dee
1 month ago
Reply to  KDude

Dude c’mon really?!?! This is why Trump laughs at his base because they’re not the sharpest tack in the box! Border patrol agencies are not in the constitution either but…..

Stag
Stag
1 month ago

The ATF has never been, and never will be, a credible agency. Their sole purpose is to enforce unconstitutional laws and regulations and, therefore, will always be an enemy of the people.

Dee
Dee
1 month ago

And this sh!t got likes?!?! Lololol. Speaking of deplorable. Smh. Guys you can’t keep pitting black vs. white or Democrats vs. Republicans. Sometimes sh!t has to be looked at objectively. C’mon men. Do better!!

Stag
Stag
1 month ago

Just another case of government thugs committing armed robbery, aggravated kidnapping, and violation of rights. Never forget these laws were advocated for by the NRA and Republicans helped pass them. The people claiming to be on our side are often wolves in sheep’s clothing.

Finnky
Finnky
1 month ago
Reply to  Stag

And there I thought they were sheep in wolves’ clothing.
During campaign claiming “I support and will protect individual rights and 2A”. In office bleeting “baa baa”

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Dee
Dee
1 month ago
Reply to  Stag

Exactly!! Open y’all eyes. Trump never gave a damn bout his base but some of you guys luv licking his ass tho. Biden hasn’t touch the ATF as of now (others are tampering). We need to build a coalition and fight the changes that goes against our principles.

Donttreadonme
Donttreadonme
1 month ago

What a shame, this country started as something amazing. Sadly, power hungry politicians, and apathetic citizens have allowed us to be where we are today.

JSNMGC
JSNMGC
1 month ago
Reply to  Donttreadonme
  • Power hungry politicians
  • Apathetic citizens
  • Citizens who want the government to fix their problems (this is the number one problem – it enables everything else)
  • LEOs who will enforce any law they are ordered to enforce (presumably up to and including herding people onto boxcars)
Dee
Dee
1 month ago
Reply to  Donttreadonme

Bullish!t!! This country was started freaking awful. The worst. It’s slowly getting better but we must continue to push!! The the racist ones that liked your comment can eat sh!t burgers daily because you are what you eat!!!

Dasher_Dork
Dasher_Dork
1 month ago
Reply to  Dee

Wasn’t so bad if you were white 🙂

But seriously, it has been shitty on minorities for a long time. That said, their have been a lot of minority cultures that have thrived recently, so if you’re lagging now days, it probably has a lot to do with a lack of effort to change your situation. Can’t just keep blaming white people for holding them back, there have been numerous successful people of all cultures and races in the US at this point.

Buster
Buster
1 month ago
Reply to  Dasher_Dork

Shitty indeed…makes you wonder why hundreds of thousands are trying to get into this country. They should just stay in their home countries where life is good.

Bob
Bob
8 days ago
Reply to  Dasher_Dork

Uh, DD, think of the Irish. In some places, where the could apply for work, they were hired only to do dangerous jobs that slaves were too valuable to place in that kind of jeopardy.

Bob
Bob
8 days ago
Reply to  Dee

Looks like that 1619 bullcrap got to go so badly you actually believe it. Are you really that stupid? You might want to read real history instead of faerie tales (spelling is intentional).

Ryben Flynn
Ryben Flynn
1 month ago

So does that mean having the mechanical drawing (F size. 28″ X 40″) of the M16 lower is also a no-no?

CinciJim
CinciJim
1 month ago
Reply to  Ryben Flynn

Apparently so… if it’s printed on sheet metal, it’ll be the next new law the BATFE will create, if the left tells them to do so. It’s so scary looking, don’t ya know.

musicman44mag
musicman44mag
1 month ago
Reply to  Ryben Flynn

Probably. I have never seen one.

Ryben Flynn
Ryben Flynn
1 month ago
Reply to  musicman44mag

Here ya go. Half size.

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grant
grant
1 month ago

Anyone out there still thinking that electing Joe Biden was better than keeping Trump?
Welcome to the Fourth Reich. Best hide those AR pistols.

KDude
KDude
1 month ago
Reply to  grant

You do understand that it was Trumps BATFE that started raiding companies and threatening owners of bump stock and arm brace equipped guns? You and every Trump supporter needs to acknowledge this fact and hold Trump accountable for his lies. I seriously believe things could’ve turned out very differently if people had done this when he “got rid of bump stocks” on his own. Or when he derailed legislative efforts to deregulate suppressors by saying “I don’t like em.”. Or when he said after his election, that Hillary is a good person, and the we all owe her a debt… Read more »

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RoyD
RoyD
1 month ago
Reply to  KDude

I caught all kinds of grief on this site because I came out strongly against Trump’s actions on bumpstocks. I even seriously considered not voting for him last November and caught Hell for saying that here also. I did hold my nose last November because I could in no way abide the alternative. It doesn’t change the fact that Trump is not on the side of “the people” when it comes to firearms.

JSNMGC
JSNMGC
1 month ago
Reply to  RoyD

Ditto

Dee
Dee
1 month ago
Reply to  RoyD

See I knew there was a reason you resonated with me. Maybe you not a follower after all. We need more like you. Don’t be hesitant to speak your mind. Btw, I know low key you’re not;)

Stag
Stag
1 month ago
Reply to  KDude

The fact that KDude got so many thumbs down on his comment proves that people will vote for more gun control as long as it’s their guy who’s pushing it.

Grigori
Grigori
1 month ago
Reply to  Stag

Yep!

Dee
Dee
1 month ago
Reply to  Stag

Yep!! Regardless who’s their guy: Trump, Biden, Cruz, or who ever. It will take us coming together to change thes laws. I have 2 items that I paid damn near $2grand that the ATF still have held up and it’s been about 7 months!! Smh. I mean I know the government is wasteful but damn!!!

Dee
Dee
1 month ago
Reply to  KDude

Exactly!! But they want to keep the left vs right fight going. Re-Dicks-culous!!

Mac
Mac
1 month ago

It’s a shame there is not a law that the ATF has to have a brain!

TStheDeplorable
TStheDeplorable
1 month ago

Don’t mess with the feds. The Congress has given the executive branch far too easy a job of generating convictions for things that harm not one living soul. I could argue all day that actual lightning links are protected by the 2nd Amendment. I could argue all day that the statute doesn’t cover the impression of a lighting link on a piece of metal. But under the Federal Rules of Criminal Procedure, and under case law regarding “machine guns,” and under case law giving the ATF broad powers to define what a prohibited weapon is, if the ATF arrests you… Read more »

JSNMGC
JSNMGC
1 month ago

“The way to fix the problem of the NFA is to devote your time and money to getting wise people elected to clean up the law so it doesn’t violate the 2nd Amendment.” We keep trying that – one guy flip-flopped and ordered the BATFE to retroactively ban things with no grandfather provision. Another woman who ran on a very high-profile campaign to “fight for our rights” fought for the rights of government employees to continue to be superior to non-government employees. I agree with you that we should continue to attempt to elect people who will make things better,… Read more »

Grigori
Grigori
1 month ago
Reply to  JSNMGC

More often than not, they are disappointing.
🙁

musicman44mag
musicman44mag
1 month ago

No argument to what you said other than hard time. We don’t have real hard time anymore and I think that is one of the reasons why there are so many in jail and gangs think it is so glamorous to be there. No one is breaking rocks, building walls out of those rocks or anything else and I don’t know of any chain gangs. They make license plates but only if they want to. I could be wrong but I can’t believe that it would still exist because that would be cruel and inhumane punishment according to todays standard.… Read more »

Grigori
Grigori
1 month ago

“The ATF asks anyone who has an autokey card to contact their local ATF office. By contacting the ATF, gun owners are not avoiding prosecution. The ATF does not promise amnesty from charges.”

Seriously? They ask people to contact them but offer no incentive for their cooperation. I gather they take those who have one for fools.

CinciJim
CinciJim
1 month ago
Reply to  Grigori

Government officials believe that all common folk have the IQ of a half-baked brick, especially those officials on the left side of the aisle. The “results” of the 2020 general election pretty much reinforced those beliefs.

Last edited 1 month ago by CinciJim
musicman44mag
musicman44mag
1 month ago
Reply to  Grigori

I would suggest that who ever has them and wants to turn them in goes to another state and mails them in a non return addressed envelope with a picture of Johnny Cash giving them the middle finger and wipes the plates clean of any finger prints and use an adhesive envelope. When they come to your door they will never find them. How can you prosecute someone for not having something other than your gun not in a safe with a gun lock on it or not owning a safe for your gun when at home. This last sentence… Read more »

Grigori
Grigori
1 month ago
Reply to  musicman44mag

For real, Musicman44mag! I like the Johnny Cash picture, part! In all seriousness, your major delivery services (Fed Ex, USPS, and even UPS) have all gone straight to hell as far as reliability since this Covid silliness kicked in. I have lost count of tracked parcels in the past year, that were delivered to wrong addresses (not me), exceedingly late, and more, by all three. Who is to say, much less prove, that those people ever received their offending packages?

Heed the Call-up
Heed the Call-up
1 month ago
Reply to  Grigori

Well, by the ATF telling people with the “illegal” item, which makes makes them felons, the ATF is violating their Fifth Amendment right not to self-incriminate, and the SCOTUS has already ruled on a similar issue; charges for having the “illegal” item should be thrown out of court on that basis.

Grigori
Grigori
1 month ago

Good point!

AZ Lefty
AZ Lefty
1 month ago

Investigation Started under Trump

CinciJim
CinciJim
1 month ago
Reply to  AZ Lefty

Whether your statement is accurate or not, investigation does not equal conclusion or enforcement. When a credible claim is made, the prudent thing to do is investigate the claim. To make to a determination that a printed piece of sheet metal is a machine gun or even a workable part of a machine gun, and then actually make arrests based on that determination, well that just smells like the leap of a political agenda. I would argue against such a determination no matter who or which political party was supporting it. The BATFE has assumed too much power for an… Read more »

Dee
Dee
1 month ago
Reply to  AZ Lefty

We all know you are correct so I don’t understand the dislikes. Maybe because you talked negatively about their god/leader but he did that. Of course they gonna blame you or the left which is comical but people here in ammoland are sooo “triggered” for some reason.

RoyD
RoyD
1 month ago

I can think of only one appropriate response to the BATFE’s actions: FUCK THE BATFE!!!!!

musicman44mag
musicman44mag
1 month ago
Reply to  RoyD

Gee, if only you could have made your statement just a little more clear. 🙂

Dee
Dee
1 month ago
Reply to  RoyD

Agree but I can’t say that as loud yet because they still have the rights to a couple items. Hopefully in another month or so tho.

JSNMGC
JSNMGC
1 month ago

I wonder if people will claim that the BATFE has gone rogue (or rouge, as several wrote) and that the President can’t do anything to stop them.

JSNMGC
JSNMGC
1 month ago
Reply to  JSNMGC

Please downvote if you have TDS-Type B. Thank you.

CinciJim
CinciJim
1 month ago
Reply to  JSNMGC

Especially when some of O’Biden’s team met with the BATFE “leadership” even before O’Biden’s insurrection inauguration.

But you’re right, all it will take is 1 member of MSM to print a headline that reads just that, and over half of America will believe it.

JSNMGC
JSNMGC
1 month ago
Reply to  CinciJim

Numerous people on this site claimed the BATFE went rogue in 2020 and that there was nothing President Trump could do to stop them. Now, of course, those same people will say just the opposite – they will now acknowledge that the BATFE is under the direction of the president. There were people who claimed the BATFE did the bump stock ban on their own. When shown a link to the Presidential Memorandum, they covered their eyes and chanted “Never Trumper!” Hero-worship is part of our downfall. We don’t hold Republican politicians accountable, because too any people make excuses for… Read more »

Dee
Dee
1 month ago
Reply to  JSNMGC

I’m giving you a standing ovation right now. That’s true patriotism my fellow American. There are politicians of both sides that I disagree with and it’s not on a party line. C’mon folks we have minds just like these leaders. Let’s use it!!

Jaque
Jaque
1 month ago

A sheet of metal with a silk screened image is now a machine gun. This is a sign of things to come.

2AinTexas
2AinTexas
1 month ago
Reply to  Jaque

Unfortunately this type of overreach has been going on for decades.Example: shoelaces and coat hangers being considered as machine guns years ago when they were used as makeshift parts to convert a firearm to full auto. The difference now is that we have a government going completely unchecked and flexing against us people now more than ever. Its the political elites vs the rest of us and its more apparent than ever. What we need are as many pro-2A lawyers to start clogging the courts with pro gun rights lawsuits, class action lawsuits against every overreaching alphabet soup gov entity,… Read more »

CinciJim
CinciJim
1 month ago
Reply to  2AinTexas

I fully agree with your proposal however, most 2A lawyers aren’t willing to clog the courts for free, and many law-abiding legal gun owners do not have the funds necessary to make this happen (I know I don’t).

Perhaps some young startup law firm willing to work (near) pro bono to make a marketable name for itself for future growth… but then how much court experience (needed for success) could such a firm actually have?