U.S.A. –-(AmmoLand.com)-– The Old School Gun School is a long-established firearms school run by JB Herren, located in Chehalis, Washington. Its origins date to 1972. The school has been very successful.
One of its more successful ventures is a series of conferences on Lethal Force Gun Laws. The first of these conferences was held in 2015, in Washington State. The conference features some of the foremost experts on the subject. JB Herren says it is the most expensive law conference on the planet. The 2021 general admission price was listed at $3,995. The price included all meals and hotel rooms as a package deal.
The 2020 conference was rescheduled for the spring of 2021, in Boise, Idaho, at the Riverside hotel, because of Covid19 restrictions placed on the state of Washington by the governor.
Several prior conferences featured George Zimmerman, who was able to tell attendees what had happened during his fateful self-defense encounter in Florida. Those conferences were held as planned, without any protests or outside drama, in the state of Washington.
The spring conference in 2021 at the Boise, Idaho Riverside Hotel was held as planned. The hotel management was pleased; another conference was planned for four days in the fall, starting November 5th, 2021.
George Zimmerman was prominently featured in advance of the November conference. He was on the agenda. He had a hotel room registered in his name. George was featured in the advertisements for the event. The hotel management did not ask for or require a list of speakers.
No controversy was expected.
On November 4th, 2021, JB Herren and his team were doing preparations for the conference at the Riverside, in the conference room. Considerable setup is necessary for a conference of this size and prominence. In the afternoon, the Hotel management asked for a meeting. The Conference was to start the next morning at 8 a.m.
At the meeting in the conference room the conversation went something like this, as told by JB Herren as he remembers it:
Hotel Management: Gee, Mr. Herren, we’re kind of concerned. We have been getting calls from people, and have you seen social media?
JB Herren: Actually, I haven’t.
Hotel management: Oh, my goodness. It is all over social media.
JB Herren: Is that right?
Hotel management: Do you have George Zimmerman coming?
JB Herren: Yes we do.
Hotel management: Well, you know, he’s a killer. And he’s a racist white supremacist.
JB Herren: Well, that’s really not the truth.
Hotel management: Yes it is. Haven’t you read the media? We are getting death threats. We pride ourselves here at the hotel, because we are the largest employer of minorities. We know George hates minorities and wants to kill them all, and so therefore, we can’t have a killer here because all of our employees are fearing for their life. If George comes, he will probably kill em all.
JB Herren: They said, their employees were in fear for their life if George Zimmerman were present for the conference. There was considerable discussion about that.
JB argued, we have been scheduled. The contract has been signed.
Hotel management: No, no, no, no.
Hotel management: Didn’t you look him up on the web, Mr. Herren?
JB Herren: I know all about him.
Hotel management: How could you invite a killer like that to our hotel? That is highly disrespectful of you!
JB Herren: OK, listen; I got a whole lot of people coming to this conference. They are on jets now. I paid for everything.
Hotel management: But George cannot be part of it. You have to get rid of George.
JB Herren: So, OK, I will get rid of George.JB called George. Told him the bad news. JB had already paid him. JB forfeited thousands of dollars. It was not George’s fault. He told George there would be another time.
JB reported to the Hotel management: I got ahold of George, his speech is canceled, its ok.
At this point, the Hotel management has been joined by one of the Hotel owners.
Hotel management and owner: Mr. Herren, we have been getting more and more threats now. It doesn’t matter if George is coming or not.
You can’t hold that conference here.
Because the threats say they’re going to burn the hotel to the ground. And they’re going to kill everybody inside. They’re going to set fire to the hotel, and as we run out they’re going to kill everybody. They really want to kill all of our minority employees, is who they want to kill.
We called the police department here, and they said they would be unable to defend the hotel. They would be unable to keep the hotel safe.
And, so since the police department can’t keep the hotel safe, we just can’t have you here. Because, after all the rioters and the looters and the pillages and the plunderers they are all going to be here with their machine guns.
JB Herren: This conversation happened pretty much as I just described.
The Old School Gun School had only hours to find another venue. The Conference was scheduled to begin at 08:00 Friday morning. This was Thursday, late in the afternoon.
Most of the students had already arrived and were in their rooms at the Riverside. They would be able to stay there Thursday and Friday nights; then they would have to move.
Many venues in Boise were happy to host the conference, but none had the available space necessary on the days required. Fortunately, one venue was able to contact another customer and have them move their setup time by a few hours, allowing the venue to have the most expensive law conference on the planet proceed on time.
A few students and presenters canceled out, turned around, and flew home, to avoid the controversy.
JB Herren said the Hotel management told them when they talked to the police department, the police did not want a killer like George Zimmerman in the state of Idaho, and if they found him in the state of Idaho, you know, it would be big trouble.
Several police officers volunteered and came to the conference, and they all said: This is ludicrous.
JB Herren had this to say of the students:
“Nobody asked for any compensation back. Not one student said: Well, then, I want some of my money. No. Everybody hugged us and were grateful that we didn’t cave in. Grateful that it was going ahead. Grateful we were still doing it. And p*ssed off as could be with the Riverside.”
The Riverside Hotel management posted their version of events on a poster at the check-in desk. They posted it on social media:
Boise Riverside Hotel on Instagram statement.
View this post on Instagram
The same image was broadcast on Twitter, by the Redoubt Antifascists, @RedoubtAFA, on November 4th, 2021.
The Boise event, “Lethal Force Gun Laws 2021” featuring George Zimmerman as a speaker, this weekend, has lost its venue. Presumably it’s been cancelled but they may look for another location.
It’s an event teaching tactics and strategies for shooting people. https://t.co/lRUqrqZjrh pic.twitter.com/djHYQjMDXL
— Redoubt Antifascists (@RedoubtAFA) November 4, 2021
The funds which had been paid to the Riverside Hotel, for services that were not rendered, were eventually refunded. The events for 2022 and 2023, which had already been scheduled, will be held at a different venue.
As far as can be determined, the Best Western hotel chain had nothing to do with the decisions made at the Riverside Hotel.
JB Herren suspects an employee at the hotel found out about George Zimmerman’s scheduled presentation and being ignorant of the facts of the case,going only by the discredited reports of the old media, launched a cancel culture disinformation campaign.
Several people talked of lawsuits against the Riverside Hotel. JB Herren does not know of any that have been filed.
JB Herren’s experience with the people of Idaho is they are polite, respectful, and patriotic. The Lethal Force Gun Laws Conference has been extremely popular and consistently growing. When, at the end of the course, students are asked if they wish to attend the next course, a consistent majority of students have signed up and paid for the next course in advance.
The Lethal Force Gun Laws Conferences are expected to grow and successfully continue into the foreseeable future.
You can sign up for the next Lethal Force Gun Laws Conferences online here.
About Dean Weingarten:
Dean Weingarten has been a peace officer, a military officer, was on the University of Wisconsin Pistol Team for four years, and was first certified to teach firearms safety in 1973. He taught the Arizona concealed carry course for fifteen years until the goal of Constitutional Carry was attained. He has degrees in meteorology and mining engineering, and retired from the Department of Defense after a 30 year career in Army Research, Development, Testing, and Evaluation.
“JB argued, we have been scheduled. The contract has been signed.” The only statement that should have followed that one was: “OK, you cancel this signed contract, and I’ll see you in court where the hotel will get to pay every cent of my losses.” But instead, it was decided to try appeasement of the lawbreakers! With predictable results… they just demand more and more until the honest man lost everything and goes bankrupt. Perhaps it is now time to stop listening to the Harold Hutchinsons of the world, and wake to to what Neville Chamberlain never was able to… Read more »
Knute! Well said. Good to hear from you!
OMG. Can’t you stop sucking up? Did he send this post to you? WASSUP, AGENT?
No surprise as Boise is the San Francisco/Santa Fe/Austin PC capital of Idaho where liberals, PETA members and green weenies snuggle up with their butt buddies and drink the kool aid by the gallon.
Yes, that is correct and it is getting worse everyday. The liberal socialists are fed up with California liberal, socialists so they move to Boise and are too stupid to realize it is their own liberal thinking that made California the way it is. They don’t have enough common sense to understand that.
I hope a hotel here has the fortitude to invite the conference to their facility.
This here is why leftists cannot be reasoned with. I hope the Riverside gets sued for defamation of character (By George Z.) and breach of contract by OSGS.
Cancel culture is just another word for cultural marxism… and marxism/maoism/communism is patently un-American. It rather proves that Professor Hoppe is right: only physical removal will save us from isms.
this is why we have a republic not a mob rule democracy
Well, at least we had a Republic limited by the Constitution. Been a whole year+ (53 weeks) since we did… This is where we find out who has the nads to water the Liberty Tree. It’s damned thirsty and I still don’t see people stepping up. That doesn’t inspire confidence in the future!
You can be the first. Would it be worth being called a deranged Trump supporter ? Even if you don’t support all his policies. Who would you start with ? Because you’ll likely to only get one shot at this. Who’s the number one objective ?
STFU, troll. I don’t answer to you, little man.
Actually, we haven’t had our Republic since FDR ordered all govt documents with the word “Republic” in them, rounded up, destroyed, and the word “Republic” replaced by the word Democracy”. All the way back in 1933. Almost nobody even noticed. They were too busy trying to survive a worldwide depression. Remember about never letting a crisis go to waste? Well, it’s a short road from there to: “Why not just cause the crisis ourselves?” If you want hope for the future, I’d recommend noticing that even though we are now almost a hundred years down this road of lies…. look… Read more »
Lookit them downvotes. Wild Bill’s sock puppet posse politburo is busy today.
I think it’s more than one or two guys, Russty.
I suspect that it’s a few lurkers on George Soro$’s payroll. They’re downvoting everyone. Hoppe is right and Pinochet did nothing wrong.
IMO, that clearly includes WB-WillTEX-FordWILL et chimps. WB’s a limited hangout.
These “Shortbus Skyvans” were used in Argentina for that. LOL Shortbus is fitting. Also, beautiful plane.
Double Ouchie
Back in the 50’s they had the Fairey Rotodyne. A cheap, big, fast, VTOL plane with lots of range. The best features of helos and planes all put together. But it was apparently TOO good for us serfs, because after passing its trials, the project was canceled with extreme prejudice. The reason given; “it’s too loud”. So Fairey continued on their own dime, making it as quiet as any other turbojet. So they brought it back for approval and were then told that the plane’s noise volume(the reason given the year before) is irrelevant. Somehow the given reason…. just didn’t… Read more »
In 1960 Fairey merged with Westland and although initially the Rotodyne project looked secure, it was not. In April 1960 Okanagan cancelled its order because of the long delivery dates, and five months later New York Airways expressed concern over the delay in production plans. Westland was then involved in taking over Bristol’s helicopter programme as well as with other work in hand. This, together with the ever-increasing weight of the Rotodyne, which reached a stage where the Eland could no longer be developed and the Tyne could not be afforded, led to withdrawal of government support, and the project… Read more »
Triple Ouchie
WB thinks you’re misspelling “Hoppe’s” as in #9. He’s a Hemline U grad you know!
“Hurr Durr Hoppe9 rrr I downvote urr”
-Sockpuppet of the Day
FDR was our first communist POTUS.
As long as people realize and act on the fact WE ARE THE MASTERS, we will overcome.
“Americans have not had a real presidential choice since 1932. Roosevelt was our man and every president since him has been our man.” -Harold Wallace Rosenthall, 1976.
I’m guessing that you’ve read this whole interview, Mr. Bowman. But most haven’t, so I mention it only to back up your post.
Meanwhile, I did find a video of the Rotodyne:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SJqcVVnk3DM
Not many exist. It was expunged from memory ASAP. Kinda like an early version of facebook and twitters’ memory holing.
Found a better one. A little higher quality, but they’re all going to be 1950s grainy. Looks to be a promotional video produced by Fairey, rather than at an airshow.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9633v6U0wo
So what liberal elite took notice and had their supporters send the threats in?
that about sums it up , they dont want people to be able to defend themselves
Career politicians and other sundry elitists prefer unarmed peasants!
F’ing traitors. They need to be held accountable.
Make an example of that hotel and knock it down with a wrecking ball.
Career politicians and other sundry elitists prefer unarmed VICTIMS!
There. Fixed it for you… 🙂
they should sue for costs put the hotel under a bus
Too late now. Once the contract holder agreed to change something because the management said to, that gave constructive notice that the contract can be changed anytime the hotel wants. The thinking is; If the holder of the contract is willing to change a contract detail on a whim of the hotel, then it must not be very important, so all the other details open up to be renegotiated too. That is what SHOULD HAVE happen upon the first words being spoken. What should’ve been said was only; “I have a signed contract with this hotel for X room, on… Read more »
I doubt an alleged blanket waiver of terms would hold up. The damaged would-be (should-be) plaintiff was trying to mitigate the damage done by should-be defendant’s consecutive breaches. Courts encourage mitigation. Looks like direct & indirect slander & libel are also present.
LOL, WASSUP AGENTS?
Wild Bill’s sock puppets already downvoted 5 times. Sweet.
Yet another of the thousands of reasons why Hoppe is right and physical removal of communists is imperative. And we have a helicopter-load of commies in here!
Well, they don’t reprogram, well. so …. Hoppe is right. Who is Hoppe
Gee, here I thought you knew everything, with your “credentials”.
I believe it is a reference to Hans-Hermann Hoppe.
His belief in the right of property owners to establish libertarian communities that engage in racial discrimination, and his assertion that homosexuals and political dissidents will have to be “physically removed” from these communities if they are to survive, have proven particularly divisive. Hoppe also garners controversy due to his support for governmental enforcement of immigration laws, which critics argue is at odds with libertarianism and what they describe as “libertarian anarchism”.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hans-Hermann_Hoppe
As we all know, ANYTHING can happen in court… particularly when the fix is in (which is most of the time…), but once such constructive notice is given, all the opponents attorneys need to do is keep on saying: “If you were injured so badly by this hotel’s cancellation, then why did you agree to it?” What can one say to that? “Ahhhh…. I was too scared to do anything”? “The hotel intimidated me”? “I didn’t want to make a scene”? All such excuses sound like a kindergardener. It makes a jury think that the guy obviously didn’t care whether… Read more »
I see your point, but I think plaintiff’s counsel & maybe the judge wouldn’t take that argument bent over without helping jurors see the defendant put the plaintiff between a rock & a hard place and the defendant tried to do himself and the defendant a favor by mitigating damages caused by the defendant. It does not necessarily follow that mitigation implies you don’t care about your rights, and judges like to see it.
I’d say that not only does it not imply that one doesn’t care about one’s rights, it implies the exact polar opposite.
Unfortunately, IMO, the current crop of US courts pick the Attorneys and Judges based upon their ability to continue to spin this lie, and never upon any attempt to set the lie to right. Why should they? They profit by this lie they’ve created.
True. Check my votes. I’m WINNING again!
Zimmerman could sue for slander. Anything posted on social media and not fact-checked out would make the media service eligible also is my guess. They created their fact-check program and therefore I would think they have culpability for selective use that causes harm to others.
and libel, too!
Nope.
Not while 230 remains.
Tyranny of the minority strikes again.
And the minority in these cases is always clueless at best, downright lying and mean spirited in most cases.
how great would a seminar be with Kyle Rittenhouse ,george zimmerman,Andrew ‘A.J.”‘Coffee IV (florida self defense case too) , it would be more about treatment by law enforcement and rights violated and ways to change that. colin noir a lawyers view and a conservative prosecutor from ny,or nj if there is such a thing
Yep. In Boise, close as possible to the Riverside.
Death threats are untraceable with todays tech. But yet Jan 6 was not a problem. Except for the pipeboomer. Still UNIDENTIFIED. Imagine that.
likely fbi plant, would not be the first
Seems to me that if contracts were signed, and money changed hands,
the follow-up lawsuit should be massive. Owning the Riverside outright
could be very advantageous towards future events.
But only if the promoter can grow a big enough set of cajones to actually DO something… for both himself and his customers. But it doesn’t look like that will happen. The instant capitulation described in the article suggests that he will not.
WITH REGARD TO TRYVON… and all this non-sense about the Riverside Hotel’s over re-action to some BS social media threats…. I think it would be fun if the following post would be sent to everyone involved in the Riverside decision. If you take the time to watch the video mentioned you’ll understand what an appropriate response that would be. Dear Friends; You will be amazed. It’s a documentary on the Trayvon Martin case. I was hesitant to watch it because it is 2 hrs long. But I started it just to see if the quality was anywhere near worth paying it… Read more »
I have dealt with a lot of hotels all over the world for conventions for Medical and Weightlifting stuff. It was not controversial per se, but never-the-less I was always nervous about last minute cancellation. I always had a face-to-face meeting with Management before the event explaining EXACTLY what we were going to do….This was really important for the Weightlifting Events. They can cause a lot of damage if certain protection for floors and stages are not implemented. I also explored ahead of time alternatives in case of some sort of disaster (venues,travel,etc.) While I am disgusted by what happened… Read more »
First problem is you will find is that ignorance is a continued problem throughout twistory & It’s a very, very big part of the human condition. Perhaps the largest section. Poverty is commingled & associate with ignorance. Religions (including Sectarian components of Christianity) beLIEf’s, creeds, cultural traditions, laziness, apathy, complacency are smaller components that make up the rest of the pie of the human condition. If people thought with their rational cortex brain vs. the Limbic emotional brain of human’s triune brain the US would be in better condition. Soy boy’s/LBGT are a part of programming & a problem of… Read more »
Please explain how the Smith Mundt Moderniation Act of 2012 legalizes lying and propaganda. Succinctly.
it does for him, which explains most of his posts.
Tank, take your meds. You re slipping further down the rabbit hole.
Because some few foolish ones like you get paid to vote him down? Get real, tio. YOUR credibility is down to almost absolute zero.
0 Kalvin? You know, all that science stuff you ignored in school! 🙂
So, nothing to say? Except for your sock puppets’ votes OFC! 🙂
But seriously; Do you really think you paid trolls are fooling anybody? Other than yourselves, I mean?
Snippy ad hominem deflection & sock puppet voting: Sad province of passive-aggressive Agents with no compelling argument.
But what can ammoland do about them? The trolls are everwhere now. Filling the whole internet up with their stench. Well… the whole web anyway. Paid trolls don’t have enough brain cells to access the internet! hahahahaha Somtimes I crack myself up 🙂 But for some reason, when I find something funny, nobody else laughs! 🙂
I laughed. WB’s sock puppet politburo votedowns make me laugh too. Just means we’re over the target.
It’s not quite NOBODY either. That was a slight exaggeration. As an example, I have a nephew that I went to college with. We used to share jokes that most nobody else ever ‘got’. Then, after college, we lived far away from each other, but I would see him occasionally. We would then start up our ‘insider’ jokes that no one else got. Back in ’08, we were both doing that… bouncing the same joke back and forth, pretending seriousness…. with none of the others around finding anything funny at all. Then, all at once, we just both cracked up.… Read more »
Well… succinct is a big word. How about a quote from Foreign Policy (just the headline… to be as succinct as possible.):
“U.S. Repeals Propaganda Ban, Spreads Government-Made News to AmericansFor decades, a so-called anti-propaganda law prevented the U.S. government’s mammoth broadcasting arm from delivering programming to American audiences.”If that’s TOO succinct, then here is the whole article:
https://foreignpolicy.com/2013/07/14/u-s-repeals-propaganda-ban-spreads-government-made-news-to-americans/
That was good, but I went to the article anyway. Many thanks.
You are most welcome.
So now even saying “you’re welcome” draws the paid trolls? Could they make it any more obvious that they are voting on personality, and not content? That they vote based not on the words that make up the comment, but simply for and against whoever their superiors tell them to?
Perhaps, some day, one of these trolls will dare to crawl out from under their bridge (protection) and actually respond to a comment that, so far, they only dare to vote down anonymously.
Take a break, son, and let your brain synchronize with your keyboard. You sound a little edgy to me………
At some point, patience ceases to be a virtue, Rob!
Minus four….. say the ones that hate the idea that we the people are rapidly running OUT of patience. Why else would the sock puppets all instantly jump on this little innocent comment? Perhaps they fear the moment when we the people loose our tempers at their ongoing criminal activities? “Oh yes, so grand the illusion of freedom will be, that they will never know they are our slaves. Their minds will be bound by their beliefs, the beliefs we have established from time immemorial. But if they ever find out they are our equal, we shall perish then. THIS… Read more »
You are right over the target, tank. That’s why the TripleA is so heavy. It means that you are dead on the proper course… and extremely dangerous to the powers that be, I might add. 🙂 The only other thing I might say is that, IMO, “Perhaps the largest section”, has no doubt in it. For me, all of the world’s problems, since the beginnings of history, go back to ignorance. Or, perhaps I should say: “willful ignorance”. Those who don’t know… and don’t WANT to know. Low information fools who mostly only know how to twist things around to… Read more »
Don’t see where “Lying was Legalized,” but do see where facilitation was increased. “Lying” is just a matter of business for these jack asses.
“Cancel Culture” a term created by actual snowflakes who feel they should t be held accountable; you know people like the author Deep State Dean
You guys are getting sloppy with yor lying.
Weak, Comrade. Weak.