Police Blame Freedom to Carry for Gun Thefts in Kansas City

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U.S.A.-(AmmoLand.com)-– In a recent article aired on National Public Radio affiliate, Kansas City Police were given a platform to blame increasing crime rates on the restoration of Second Amendment rights. One of the first things noted was an increase in the reports of firearms stolen from vehicles in Kansas City, MO. From kcur.com:

In 2021, 613 guns were stolen from vehicles, compared with 498 in 2020, Capt. Sean Hutcheson said in a presentation to the Kansas City Police Board on Dec. 14. Police know the weapons are being used in crimes, he said.

“One of the drivers of our violence in Kansas City is easy access to guns,” Hutcheson said. “And since the early 2000s, a lot of our gun laws in the state have been relaxed. So people are more likely to be carrying guns and especially in their vehicles.”

Hutcheson makes a major jump in logic, asserting, without evidence, that “easy access to guns” is  “One of the drivers of our violence in Kansas City…” There are numerous studies that show mere access to guns is not a driver of illegal violence.

The clearest indicator of illegal violence, murder, is not associated with rates of gun ownership.  This is an attempt to place responsibility on inanimate objects rather than on personal decisions, ethics, and morality.

Missouri law applies to all of Missouri. These problems seem unique to particular areas of Kansas City. There are many areas in Missouri that have high gun ownership (access to guns) and low murder rates. The KCUR article notes where many thefts of guns are taking place:

The hotspots for vehicle thefts are the city’s entertainment districts, Hutcheson said, including Westport, the Power & Light District, the Crossroads District and the 18th & Vine District.

The police have video of what is driving the theft of guns in cars in this area. It is groups of criminals hitting places where they know people are being strongly pushed into leaving their defensive firearm in a vehicle.

Cathy Dean, a police board commissioner, said she’s seen videotape showing patrons trying to get into bars being caught by metal detectors revealing a weapon. The patron is then told to put their gun back in their car. That’s when the thieves strike, she said.

Hutcheson said groups are hitting 20 to 30 cars at a time, looking only for weapons.

“We have video. One person will just go and just pop windows and the guy behind him is going opening the door, checking the seat, the glove box, that’s it. These guns are unsecured in these vehicles,” he said.

There are obvious possible fixes to this problem that do not violate anyone’s rights. Places that serve alcohol could provide lockboxes for guns. Places that serve alcohol could allow armed people to carry in their establishment. Those places which refuse could be advertised as unfriendly to Second Amendment rights.

Police could use “bait” cars and guns, combined with strict consequences for those who are committing these crimes.

Signs could be placed informing people of the high risk of gun theft from vehicles in the area.  Video monitoring with police “quick response” teams could be used to arrest perpetrators.

There are several “gun free zones” established by Missouri statute 571.106. Under Missouri law, managers of establishments who serve intoxicating liquors determine who may or may not carry in their establishment.

Places that serve intoxicating liquor are conditional gun free zones in Missouri. From 571.106 (7):

  (7)  Any establishment licensed to dispense intoxicating liquor for consumption on the premises, which portion is primarily devoted to that purpose, without the consent of the owner or manager.

Opinion:

I suspect most of the offenders are minors of specially protected groups, which the police view as dangerous to arrest and prosecute.

Blaming “access to guns” is an easy excuse for political decisions to not aggressively arrest and prosecute the criminals who are doing the stealing.

A very local problem in Kansas City is being used as a platform to attack Second Amendment rights in all of Missouri and in the USA.

Readers who are familiar with Kansas City are invited to add local knowledge to inform us further.


About Dean Weingarten:

Dean Weingarten has been a peace officer, a military officer, was on the University of Wisconsin Pistol Team for four years, and was first certified to teach firearms safety in 1973. He taught the Arizona concealed carry course for fifteen years until the goal of Constitutional Carry was attained. He has degrees in meteorology and mining engineering, and retired from the Department of Defense after a 30 year career in Army Research, Development, Testing, and Evaluation.

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Oldman

I think the powers that be here on Ammoland should put an end to further comments on this thread. It cannot IMO, be of any more value for all of us psuedo intellects to keep calling each other names.

Arizona

Easy fix. 1) use the video and arrest the offenders, rather than whining and blaming while sitting on your lazy butt. 2) end unconstitutional “gun free victims-are-here” zones. 3) anyone who bothers to comply with the unconstitutional laws forbidding guns in an area should invest in a secure gun safe and weld it to the interior frame. Common sense solutions that are so easy and obvious they won’t be employed.

Don

Seriously folks. Don’t leave a gun in a vehicle. It is an invitation to having your gun stolen. The only time I leave a gun in my truck is when I go into a seriously anti-gun building. I would never leave a gun in the vehicle over night. That being said, in my town with its two police officers it is very safe.Our two cops investigate felonies about 80% of the time. Petty crimes are nearly non-existence. Car prowls are rare, except the town 5 miles away has a steady case load of car prowls.

JSNMGC

Preach that message to all the cops who lost their firearms or had them stolen.

Jim

This is a wide spread problem in this country. No, not guns being stolen, the powers to be blaming the problem on a symptom rather than the root cause. The root cause of crime is the low life, piece of sh*t, unsupervised, unmolded by loving parentSSSSSS freakin criminal. The fact that guns are being stolen out of vehicles in certain areas is another root problem which is again is caused by the same reasons as above. It is not the bar owners’ fault. The responsibility for the weapon being available in the first place falls squarely on the irresponsible gun… Read more »

GeniusJoe

see my other post, accidentally duplicated

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Rowboat

First of all, almost ALL Chiefs of police are political appointees that serve at the pleasure of the appointing agency ( read boot licking sycophants ). My bet is that the controllers of KC are Demoncrats.
Sheriffs, on the other hand are elected officials and being Constitutional officers are much more independent of the whims of the mayor or city council.

JSNMGC

“Sheriffs, on the other hand are elected officials and being Constitutional officers are much more independent of the whims of the mayor or city council.” Sheriffs are more independent of the mayor/city council, but they jump to the tune of people other than just the voters. Mayors are elected officials and they are generally the ones who control chiefs of police. A mayor is just as subject to removal by the voters as a sheriff. If the voters don’t like a chief of police, they just have to vote the mayor out of office and make it clear to the… Read more »

gregs

biggest driver of increase of vehicle thefts is politicians not letting law-abiding citizens carry where-ever they go. concealed carry citizens are the most law-abiding group in the country, why punish them? stop with the stupid laws that prevent people from carrying firearms with them. i have a lock box in my vehichles for those times when i cannot carry into a buuilding. unless they are searching i carry. i refrain from going to those places that prevent me from carrying from home unless absolutely necessary. courthouses and other (gun-free zones) should have to offer lock boxes for legal carrying persons… Read more »

Tionico

I’d like to know precisely WHO is pushing this whinge from the KC Koppers. They have video. Tney’ve admitted it. they KNOW the MO of theB&E boys. WHY don’t they act agasint THOSE operators? Toss a handful of them into the ol CrowBar Hotel and t’row da book at em’. It would end overnight. And they KNOW it. Patrons should push the management oftheir favourite joints to provide gun lockers. My county offices do that. Simple. Not that expensive. Key with locker number tag along with, lockers readily vailble, walk in declare your need to secure your handgun, bouncer politely… Read more »

musicman44mag

Ok, this takes common sense and logic to understand so all you antigun people don’t bother reading it because it is beyond your comprehension. Lets say that the cops are right. More guns are stolen from cars where the person left the gun in the glove box or wherever. So lets ask the question why did they do that. Answer: because they were going into a gun free zone and could not take it with them to protect themselves like a court, airport, store that is a gun free zone, school, bank, bar etc. Carrying in a gun free zone… Read more »

Russn8r

True. The opinion bit fails to see that denial of access to guns is the problem. ‘Gun-Free’ Zones (GFZs) spring from a perfect storm of cowardice & stupidity by big gun group leaders who often take LoLibertarian & RINO businessho positions like “it’s wrong to tell private firms what to do so we can’t ban GFZs.” But it’s no more ‘wrong’ than barring cafes from serving rancid food & rat poo. Private firm GFZs should be banned as public safety hazards. FL & TX could’ve done it decades ago if LaPew & Hammerhead weren’t in love with GFZs. Thanks to… Read more »

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hoss

It seems to me if people were able to carry in more places there wouldn’t be as many guns left in cars!
But the simple solution is too obvious.

Russn8r

Someone should tell Wayne LaPierre & Marion Hammer.

Russn8r

Love all the qu’nts who love LaPew & Hammerhead.

Roland T. Gunner

Why don’t police blame thieves for the rise in gun thefts? Like the article said, they are afraid to arrest the little Democrat minority bastards.

Roland T. Gunner

This police chief, Hutcheson? Is he Harold’s dad?

Brad

Was he asked how many guns the police and military “ misplace “ every year ? Must’ve just been another oversight.

You could always ask Eric holder if he has that info on hand .

At least stolen cars aren’t used in crimes either . I’d hate to not have a car that might be used in a crime . I don’t think I could live with myself .

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hippybiker

Years ago, I worked with a young guy who’s father was a Police Lieutenant in a Very Large city in Illinois. He once bragged that his father made an extra 10 grand on year by shaking down drug dealers. I’ll let you guess their race!
This seems to be a problem in a lot of Demon Rat controlled cities!

JSNMGC

Why do you hate cops?

Roland T. Gunner

Quite frankly, many if not most cops are pretty unlikeable.

JSNMGC

You know I was making a sarcastic joke, right?

When people criticize enforcers here, they are called cop haters and asked why they don’t do the job. Over and over again.

It’s ok to criticize people in any other profession without having worked in that field, but cops – you can’t criticize cops.

musicman44mag

I didn’t catch that you were joking. I have noticed that some people have started adding the word Sarcasm after their statement so they don’t get a bunch of haters that didn’t get it and in some cases even I haven’t made the fact that it was sarcasm clear enough.

JSNMGC

Well, I was the one who put the “b” in subtle, but my above comment seemed fairly obvious.

Russn8r

/Sarc is a dogwhistle for dimwits.

HLB

I am not sure why I have to pay for the security of people who do not feel the necessity of providing their own personal defense.

I am also not sure why I need to disarm myself while they tax me more to patch up their failed police security net.

I think that I am under attack by these people, and I need to defend myself.

HLB

Stag

Oh, look! Government thugs blaming freedom for crime! Color me shocked!

PistolGrip44

Once a PIG always a PIG!!! Why do people support the blue? AKA TRYRANTS.

Cruiser

You can always apply for the job and make a change.
Hope you never have to call 911.

Stag

You and your buddies could always refuse to enforce unconstitutional and unjust laws and make a change.

JSNMGC

If that happened there would be a tidal wave of support for law enforcement.

The probability of it happening is low.

Some will follow orders in order to keep the government job, dental insurance, and prospect of a pension. They will follow almost any order, no matter how heinous.

Others will enforce unconstitutional laws because they get off on the power trip.

The odds are high they will all continue to support each other no matter what – it’s a culture that will probably never change.

Cruiser

So, you have done the job and know everthing there is to know about Police work.

JSNMGC

Have you ever been President of the United States?

Have you ever been a movie star?

Have you ever been in a band that had a top 10 hit?

Do you have opinions on how Presidents do their job?

Do you have opinions on how actors do their job?

Do you have opinions on how bands do their job?

Russn8r

Have you ever been to the moon? No? How do you know it’s not made of smegma?

Wild Bill

He is an activist. Never had a job with real time consequences. He just makes amateurish arguments.

JSNMGC

How did you come to those inaccurate conclusions?

Your pathetic attempts to bait me into disclosing my background so you can dox me are pathetic.

willyd

My statement is until you try the job don’t knock it, if you try it or really know someone who does the job and finds out it isn’t as easy as the armchair critics think, and they don’t have enough talent to try doing it, only to criticize people who do those jobs!!!!!!

JSNMGC

Have you ever been President of The United States of America? Have you ever been a senior executive at a multi-national corporation? Have you ever been in a band with a top 10 hit? Do you ever make critical comments regarding how any of those people do their job? Why do LEOs keep retreating to this position (“don’t criticize us because you have never been one of us”)? They have created a culture of backing each other up no matter what – tampering with evidence, lying on police reports, lying in court, and just remaining quiet on the internet when… Read more »

Wild Bill

The old saying about not criticizing a man until you have walked a mile in his boots comes to mind. Police officer is an obtainable position. President is not an obtainable position.

By the way, you have never been any of those things either, have you?

JSNMGC

I don’t have a problem with anyone criticizing people of any profession without having been in that profession.

All of the positions listed are “attainable,” but that is not relevant.

Wild Bill

If you have never done it, then you are just guessing. Guess work is no foundation for persuading others.

JSNMGC

You weigh-in on all sorts of topics in fields you have never been employed in, don’t you?

Do you have criticisms of politicians, senior executives, musicians, actors, athletes, etc.?

There is plenty of evidence available on bad LEOs – because you claim it doesn’t exist doesn’t mean it doesn’t exist.

Your contention that if a person has not done a job, they are just guessing about the bad actors in that profession is ridiculous.

You, others, and I form many opinions based on what we read, hear, and see.

Wild Bill

No. I try to limit my comments my areas of expertise. Otherwise one is on the outside, trying to look in. And if I did, two wrongs do not make a right. No, only actors. I was in two movies: In the Army Now with Polly Shore and Lorrie Petty. Lorrie said to me, ” You were a battalion commander? What is a battalion? And I was in Sargent Bilco with Steve Martin. No, I am just asking you for your proof. A thing is not necessarily so or as much, just because one says so. Not unless, there is… Read more »

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JSNMGC

You most certainly do not limit your comments to your area of expertise. What is your expertise in the area of pricing as it relates to consumer products that go through a period of extremely high demand and the effect of general inflation versus the role of supply and demand? Assume a specific product for which increases in supply have large capital requirements and the sustainability of the high demand is uncertain, taxes are increasing, and regulatory changes are uncertain. Mind you, I don’t believe a person must have an education and work history that is relevant to opining on… Read more »

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Wild Bill

Well, if you don’t believe that a person must have an education that would render your question moot! HOWEVER since YOU ASKED: Economics 101, Economics 201, Logistician’s Basic Course, and Command and General Staff College.

Oh, and I do not have merely one area of expertise.

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JSNMGC

Counselor, that is not expertise. It is funny though.

What proof do you have about the comment you made about me?

Russn8r

LOL

Wild Bill

Yes, this fellow has it turned upside down.

Patriot Solutions

Leo’s are masters at re-directing the blame and to be quite honest when looking at the local pay scale who would want the job.

musicman44mag

Especially today.

Patriot Solutions

Thin blue line protects it’s own. They deny facts too.

musicman44mag

Yes, I know, I have experienced it firsthand in Sacramento Kommiefornia where i was raised. Knew one cop that was stabbed for some reason 23 times in his sleep. The cops never found out why. He was trying to turn in a police gang to his superiors that took guns and resold them as well as money from drug scenes and drugs and resold them. Had a cousin Sac Sherriff that was killed for doing the same thing and not making his druggist wife steal drugs for resale by the guards in prisons. He died from his head hitting the… Read more »

Patriot Solutions

Yeah they deal dope here too. Some of it they steal from what they impound. They plant evidence too and sometimes they even admit to planting evidence.

Don

Between 1970 and 2002 I never saw a case of a cop dealing drugs. I did see one case of soliciting a bribe by a state trooper, a serial burglar, several drunks and DUI cases, and suicides. I never saw police brutality in my departments, but it did take place in the sheriff’s department. I say the cops I worked with were an honest lot of men and women.

Russn8r

Can’t stop lying, or are you blind?

JSNMGC

Here he is – Don. Don is a retired Washington state police officer who indicated he would enforce laws requiring semiautomatic rifles to be registered. He would ruin someone’s life for doing whatever everyone here says they will do “shall not comply.” He was asked numerous times whether he would follow orders to enforce laws to confiscate semiautomatic rifles. He remained silent. Do the “good” enforcers who post here call him out as a bad cop? No. What does that say about the “good” enforcers here? He’s already got three upvotes. Don is worse than Robert Francis, David Hogg, Shannon… Read more »

JSNMGC

18 hours a day, every day.

Gang members.

Arizona

Wow, downvotes for simply providing information. Pathetic. Seems the lefties are scouring ammoland to try to influence opinion.

Any federal, state or county government employee who enforces unconstitutional laws on guns or anything else is violating their oath, and is a despicable human being and traitor to their fellow Americans. I would quit any job that asked me to violate people’s rights, and I have.

JSNMGC

It’s not lefties.

It’s Republican enforcers/ex-enforcers and unconditional enforcer supporters.

Wild Bill

No. That is not why. It is because these two target commenters that are or have been cops. And they insult people. So some people down vote them no matter what they write.

JSNMGC

You insult people and use profanity to do so and then you lied about it. You hypocrite.

Don indicated he would enforce gun registration – yet you save your indignation for people who call him out. On a gun rights forum.

Oldman

Hard to believe, I know. I think I just had an epiphany. Let’s see; Russn8r, who used in a previous life the handle of Superman. I believe ol’ Russ had another one before that but it is not important. Then you have Patriot Solutions who once was USA, who has joined the squad with JSNMGC and the other one. Now, get ready……I won’t keep you waiting anymore…. JSNMGC is actually Will/TEX too…. They are all shagging each other in an apartment in San Francisco, having the time of their lives. An actual threesome that has been spoofing all of us… Read more »

Oldman

Time for me to hit the sack….It’s been a tough day for this investigative reporter….YAWN

Wild Bill

Good humor!!

JSNMGC

Careful, Oldman, all those insults – Wild Bill might change his mind about it being “good humor” and make an “observation” about your uncivil discussion.

Finnky

Wow. So if JSNMGC is actually Will/TEX, he’s got some serious personality disorder going. Two personalities as different as Jekyll and Hyde! Possible he/they are just trolling us – but that would be a serious long term effort, requiring keeping a lot of lies straight. Would take significant proof to get me to believe that. Will/TEX have slipped up, don’t you think one of the other persona’s would have done the same. I don’t believe all cops are bad, in fact I believe the majority really are doing good the majority of the time. However there are so many bad… Read more »

Oldman

Read more: https://www.ammoland.com/2022/01/police-blame-freedom-to-carry-for-gun-thefts-in-kansas-city/#ixzz7HCt77LfP Under Creative Commons License: Attribution Follow us: @Ammoland on Twitter | Ammoland on Facebook So if JSNMGC is actually Will/TEX, he’s got some serious personality disorder going. Two personalities as different as Jekyll and Hyde! Possible he/they are just trolling us – but that would be a serious long term effort, requiring keeping a lot of lies straight. Would take significant proof to get me to believe that. Will/TEX have slipped up, don’t you think one of the other persona’s would have done the same. Agreed. All three of them are one and the same…By following them all closely I think they… Read more »

Wild Bill

It sure does seem like when one is gone, both are gone. And when one is here, then the other appears shortly. And the order of appearance is usually the same.

JSNMGC

Do you believe I am the same person as Will/”TEX?”

You have been white knighting for Will/”TEX” for a very long time.

Wild Bill

I believe that I don’t have to answer any of the questions that you demand. Why don’t you ask nicely?

JSNMGC

Yet you believe I should answer yours?

Your double standards have no bounds.

Wild Bill

I do not demand.

JSNMGC

“Demand” was your choice of words.

I don’t “demand” either.

Russn8r

Why don’t you stop acting like a passive-aggressive menopausal hag?

JSNMGC

Now that’s funny – Will/”TEX” is downvoting you – he feels betrayed.

JSNMGC

What to go, Columbo.

That was almost as clever as when Wild Bill concluded I was The Revelator – because Wild Bill believes he is adept at analyzing writing and based on what “others” (meaning Will/”TEX”) said.

A troll is not someone who disagrees with another person.

I’ve stated the general policy I support numerous times. What are your views on:

  • Gun control laws;
  • The size, scope, intrusiveness, and cost of government; and
  • Birthright citizenship, enforcement of visas, and employers not being fined appropriately for employing people who are working illegally in the U.S.?
Wild Bill

“What to go …” What does that mean?
When you say enforcement of visas to what are you referring?
And employers not being fined appropriately what is your complaint?

JSNMGC

Sorry Wild Bill – typo, meant to type “Way.” Here, let me layout my views again. These are the things I am an activist for (you say activist like it’s a bad word – I’ll come back to that in a separate post): There should be less gun control laws, not more: Government is too big, it has too broad of scope, it is too intrusive, and it is too expensive; Birthright citizenship should be ended, visas should be enforced, and employers should be fined when they are caught employing people who are not legally allowed to work in the… Read more »

Wild Bill

What to you mean visas should be enforced. A visa is permission from a country to make entry. Do you mean that people without prior permission, in the form of a visa, should not make entry?

JSNMGC

No. I mean that when people come to the US using a legitimate visa, they should leave according to the terms of the visa. If they don’t, they should be found and forced to leave. Unfortunately, government employees don’t do a very good job of enforcing visas. Activists who work to improve this situation are aware of what is going on. Here’s an article from a couple years ago: “In the U.S., visa overstays have exceeded illegal border crossings in each of the past seven years. In 2016, about 515,000 people arrived in the United States illegally, the Center for… Read more »

Wild Bill

Well, at least you used a footnote. Are you not aware that the greater share change visa categories by marrying a USC? And for the remainder there is a National Security Unit in every USINS district that does nothing but track down overstays.

JSNMGC

Are you not aware there are a lot of people living in the US illegally by overstaying their visas? This does not include people who married a United States citizen.

Government employees do not do a good job of enforcing visas. Whether they are lazy or whether they follow orders to not do a good job is an interesting discussion.

Wild Bill

I think that if you sought out the Special Agents that worked in the National Security Unit of the various immigration districts across the country you would be surprised.

JSNMGC

I’m surprised by the tens of millions of people living in the U.S. illegally even though we have numerous and vast organizations which are lavishly funded to prevent that situation.

Russn8r

Bullshit.

JSNMGC

He is a statist extraordinaire.

Oldvet

As I have said in my family … 3 counties 1 city LEO’s .
one bad apple and I know one ! (different counties )

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Wild Bill

Can you quote some of my alleged profanity? What you call a lie is merely a conclusion that you have jumped to.

JSNMGC

I already did. You are a lying snake of a lawyer and do nothing to advance firearm rights.

Now, go back to telling war stories, talking about TV shows from the 50s and 60s, and fantasizing about leading ambushes against Democrat politicians and seizing their heavy weapons.

Wild Bill

Can you be specific? Your vague implications make response difficult.
I send donations.
Your ramblings are untrue.

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JSNMGC

I’ve quoted your comments and and provided a link to them. Do I need to do that all over again? Your sleazy lawyer weaseling is tiresome, but here you go: In “thread A”, you wrote: “Several of those raging ah have found their way to ammoland and are my fan club!”   In “thread B,” I indicated you referred to me as a raging asshole. in “thread B,” you responded with: “I don’t recall that epithet. Are you sure?”   In “thread B,” I provided you with a link to your comment in “thread A.”   In “thread B,” you… Read more »

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Russn8r

You’re so cute when you’re coy, DOCTOR Bill!

Oldman

Whenever I hear one dude call another dude cute, it makes me cringe. Then again YOU are cringeworthy!

Russn8r

Weak. I’m watching Deadwood. Can’t decide who reminds me more of the Innkeeper: You, or your lover boy “Wild” Bill.

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Oldman

I think I’m getting jealous…..You called WB cute…..This might cause us to break up. What do you think Wild One?

Russn8r

That’s more like it, sweetheart.

Wild Bill

It is 0548 hrs. I think that it is time to make coffee and feed livestock.

Wild Bill

Yep, a guy does not even dare respond. Next thing you know he would be following me around the ranch.

Oldman

Believe me, WB, none of the 3 Amigos + Will/Tex (if my epiphany is correct, and I believe it is) has enough juice in the old scrotum to get anywhere near a real man like you. They just hurl insults because they know what the result would be, should they try.

Wild Bill

They could enlist or join a PD. There is still time for them to have an exciting life.

JSNMGC

Using your logic (same as many of the LEOs/ex-LEOs here), you shouldn’t criticize Biden unless you are elected president.

Wild Bill

But we can criticize his results.

JSNMGC

Oldman, you’re doing it again. You hurl insults while you accuse others of hurling insults.

Oldman

Nah Nanna Nan Na! Why don’t we compare down votes, huh? Like M. Levine says, “I’m done!” Will/Tex, et al the “Three Amigos” boring kindergarden bulls**t.

JSNMGC

The three downvotes from Will’s various accounts and downvotes from bad LEOs and unconditional LEO supporters?

I value those downvotes – they are telling.

Wild Bill

You are making things up again. Those down votes are from regular commenters that are sick of your teenage manners.

Russn8r

BACK THE BLUE!

Arizona

Surprised she did not Avenge him.

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JSNMGC

Patriot Solutions: “Leo’s are masters at re-directing the blame and to be quite honest when looking at the local pay scale who would want the job.” Yes, they are fairly adept – sometimes they get caught: https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/politics/seattle-police-improperly-faked-radio-chatter-about-proud-boys-as-chop-formed-in-2020-investigation-finds/ Never forget: LEOs are on our side. People who haven’t been LEOs should not criticize them (it would make life a lot easier for them if they were not criticized after they shoot over a hundred rounds at newspaper delivery ladies, leave good Americans to defend themselves on rooftops during a huge riot, blow up neighborhoods out of shear incompetence, and enforce never-ending… Read more »

Russn8r

BACK THE BLUE!

LOL

3l120

Nah, he would have to leave the basement. Besides would you want him for a partner in a B&W?

JSNMGC

Please tell the story again how you left the brave Americans on rooftops to fend for themselves when you followed orders to retreat to peaceful Beverly Hills, way back when you were an LAPD enforcer. Were you among those who came back a few days later and hassled those very people you abandoned (because they had the audacity to use firearms to protect themselves)? Were you also one of those who “lit-up” the newspaper delivery ladies? https://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-no-charges-lapd-shooting-newspaper-delivery-women-dorner-manhunt-20160127-story.html Oops. Good shootin’! Over a 100 rifle rounds at innocent “civilians” from a fairly short distance and they (fortunately) only got one hit.… Read more »

Russn8r
Arizona

Was that the blue pickup that got lit up by a bunch of trigger happy cowboys who didn’t follow basic firearm safety rules?

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JSNMGC

Yes – eight of them. The taxpayers paid $4.2 million. The enforcers got some extra training.

https://www.nbclosangeles.com/news/local/lapd-rogue-ex-officer-christopher-dorner-deadly-force-newspaper-women-delivery-torrance-shooting/87828/

Arizona

Glad they got a decent sum, but all the cops that fired on that truck should have been fired and prosecuted. They didn’t identify the target, nor that it was more than one person, and just dumped ammo downrange with no thought. I remember the day it happened and thinking what pathetic cops they were for that shoot. There are good and bad people, competent and idiots, virtuous and crooked in every profession. Those guys were hot headed gang members looking for payback and a bragging right.

JSNMGC

100% of those present were bad. None of the Ammoland cops said a word about them. None of the Ammoland cops said a word about Brailsford and Langley. None of the Ammoland cops ever says a word about Don – who would follow almost any order to enforce almost any gun control law. They upvote him. None of the Ammoland cops said a word about Will/”TEX” when he described, in detail, how he would like to be back in LE to abuse his power to light me up after a disagreement on politics. The Ammoland cops do, however, rush in… Read more »

Wild Bill

So you are saying that they have an obligation to comment? You are quite the little manipulator or maybe you have no one else to talk to.

JSNMGC

What I am saying is that LEOs do an incredibly bad job of policing themselves.

Their silence about bad LEOs is part of that culture.

More insults from you, the king of double standards.

Wild Bill

You are changing your argument. You are not an expert on that culture. Not even a neophyte.

JSNMGC

The argument I’ve been making is consistent.

I have seen enough evidence.

Wild Bill

What you read in the newspapers is muckraking rumor, not evidence.

JSNMGC

I’m not reading it in the newspapers.

You stick your head in the sand to avoid seeing things you don’t want to see.

Wild Bill

What is your source … generally?

JSNMGC

Wild Bill, go read the comments on this entire page and see how many of your questions I have answered. Now, before I answer any more: 1)Provide proof for this comment you made: “He is an activist. Never had a job with real time consequences. He just makes amateurish arguments.” No need to prove that I am an activist – I am and I previously stated that I am and I listed the topics for which I am an activist. Just prove that I never had a job with real time consequences.   2)Also, answer the question I asked earlier about… Read more »

Wild Bill

I am glad that you are not contesting the statement, “He just makes amateurish arguments.” because it obvious from your written work that you do not know the rules of debate.

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JSNMGC

I dismissed it.

Another clumsy sidestep. Where is your proof that I:

“Never had a job with real time consequences”

Do you believe that Will/”TEX” and I are the same person (as you alluded to, but refused to clarify your position)?

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Russn8r

Me too. Last time I called 911 was 14 yrs ago for an ambulance for a guy who fell >15′. 3 BLUE were there acting like he was a druggie since he was “acting weird” (“One Injury, 3 BLUE” and BACKUP). Turned out he wasn’t on drugs, he was in shock. Huge ugly back bruise. THE BLUE had him on the sidewalk & in the gutter writhing in agony, trouble breathing, begging for an ambulance, which THE BLUE refused to call, interfering with dispatch as I recall. Looked like maybe a Tony Timpa ending. A few Good Samaritans argued with… Read more »

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JSNMGC

Cruiser is not the first to write that retort here.

There are life-saving events I can think of, but almost none of them would be resolved with an enforcer. Almost all them involve:

  • Me
  • My family
  • My friends
  • EMT (government employees, volunteers, and private sector employees)
  • Hospital emergency room/surgical teams
  • Random stranger on a snowmobile
  • Random stranger on foot
  • Snow plow driver
  • Tow truck operator

I’m not saying we don’t need law enforcement personnel (they are required in a modern free civilization), but they greatly inflate their value (especially with respect to how they have been operating).

Russn8r

Ammoland’s infested with folks who’d love to “light you up” for a beatdown for not towing The THIN Blue ‘Line’. Must be frustrating, all they can do is give you a sock-pup votedown. Go get ’em, Fido!

JSNMGC

The internet has allowed them to out themselves.

I wonder how many rural “red” state sheriff deputies think exactly like Will/”TEX” et al.

Russn8r

The Blue “Line” (message) around here is “Thin” indeed.

Don

That hasn’t been my experience. Our department had every officer being an EMT. Because we had about 10 square miles and a 126 miles of roads the cops were often the first on the scene. I saved a man that had been in a motorcycle wreck and was then hit by a car. He was choking on his own teeth and blood. I scooped them out and made an airway. He would have been dead if he had to wait for EMS. Our guys saved quite a few people just by knowing how to make an airway.

JSNMGC

Would you follow orders to enforce a law that required all semiautomatic rifles to be confiscated?

Finnky

I do appreciate officers learning as much first aid as possible, up to at least basic trauma care for typical GSW. Far as that goes, I appreciate everyone who gets such training, practices, and carries appropriate gear. At accidents I’ve stumbled across, I’ve been unable to save any lives – barring pulling my sister from a rip tide some 50 yards from shore. They’ve were either deceased before I could get to them, or did not have life threatening injuries. Closest I’ve come to having to perform trauma care was for a kid who crossed the median and was T-boned… Read more »

Patriot Solutions

I have called 911 on trespassers to be told by Leo’s that it is the trespassers right to be on other peoples property which actually made sense when coming from the #1 trespassers in my county which were Leo’s who took 15 years to get rid of.

JSNMGC

Ouch.

musicman44mag

Then tell them that they don’t need to bother to come when you shoot the bastards and hang up the phone. They will be there in seconds. Always worked for me and when they arrive, they remove the trespassers. P.S. have all your guns unloaded and in the safe if you have one or in the closet.

OreGONE>

Patriot Solutions

I already used that one and yes, it worked like a charm.

Don

You live in the wrong place. Our cops are good people.

Ronnie

If this was A PERFECT WORLD – And children were All Raised to RESPECT OTHERS & THEIR PROPERTY! (as I was)! MAYBE Crime would be LESS!

Wild Bill

I don’t know, your other comment was all about putting responsibility and burden on the innocent. Stealing peoples freedom does not seem too respectful to me.

musicman44mag

That deserves a no shit Amen in my books.

Russn8r

“Once you quit hearing sir & ma’am, the rest is soon to foller.”
-Sheriff Ed Tom Bell, No Country for Old Men

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Montana454Casull

Gun free zones create spaces for criminals to expand thier criminal activity and making law biding citizens leave thier guns in thier cars and houses create opportunities for criminals to steal them . Tough to steal my firearm while it’s on my body ! Logic is not a strong point for some people who work in law enforcement nor is doing thier job a necessity . Some are just there to collect a check .

Arizona

Gun free zones make government an accomplice to criminals. No one ever expected the signs to stop criminals with guns. The laws were passed to pretend to do something effective, and at the same time, to make citizens defenseless, dependent on gov for protection, and to provide an excuse to prosecute people. Government can only exercise authority over criminals, so it passes so many laws everyone is a criminal. That way, they pick and choose who they want to prosecute while they ignore others, oftentimes the more serious offenders.

Ronnie

Well – Why Are People Having their guns Stolen From their cars ? Are the Gun Owners NOT SECURING their guns Inside of the Car ? We LOCK Ours in A Safe Which is DOUBLE Strapped with Hardened Cables(2)- (we have Quick Access to Them if Needed! But if these People In KANSAS – Are just Hiding them In – Glove box / center console – under the Seat. that Is NOT BEING RESPONSIBLE! Then the STATE should Have Made a REQUIREMENT TO GUN OWNERS – THEY MUST > SECURE< THEIR WEAPON IN THE VEHICLE ! OR BE FINED (example:… Read more »

Wild Bill

It is the responsibility of people not to steal. That responsibility has been recognized for thousands of years.
If a person puts his property in his car, that property is secured. Putting legal responsibility on the innocent is a recent libtard notion.
Looking to the state to enforce your notions of what is responsible is manipulative and dictatorial.
I always enjoy it when some F6 source tells me what I should be doing.

Finnky

F6 source?

Sorry for my ignorance – but inquiring minds want to know…

Wild Bill

Source: F= Reliability unknown. 6= Information validity difficult to say.
I’ll get you a chart. It is not classified.

musicman44mag

LOL, I was wondering how the F6 key on the keyboard related to what you were saying.

JSNMGC

THerE SHoULd BE a lAW !!!!!

And you complain about Democrats.

Please, I beg you, stay in Maryland.

Stag

Statists gonna state! That sounds a lot like “she shouldn’t dress so provocatively and she wouldn’t get raped”. It’s amazing how some galaxy brain can see someone’s property being stolen from their vehicle and think ShOuLdA LoCkEd iT uP gOoDeR!

JSNMGC

It never ends.

musicman44mag

Or that is none of my business and I don’t want to get involved because his gang banger buddies will hunt me down and kill me.

Yes, there are people that afraid and believe that because it has happened.

OreGONE one of those places in demonrat controlled areas.

Autsin Miller III

Not to throw cold water on your rant sir, but in the interest of accuracy, both the Power and Light District and Westport are in Missouri. And for the cop haters, it isn’t the police that are making this a gun free zone, it is a Demoncrat mayor and city council.

Finnky

Where do you live where you are not allowed to carry in those locations? In my state one may carry in most government buildings (not courtrooms and not federal/post office), definitely can carry in banks, can carry on public school grounds but not within buildings, can carry on private schools unless otherwise posted and can carry on university including inside, cannot carry in most bars without express permission – but I usually am wearing my firearm in restaurants while sipping my beloved margaritas. As for businesses that refuse guns – I spend enough money that I feel a responsibility to… Read more »

musicman44mag

No insult but where do you live. Your state has too many regulations against concealed carry for me. In OreGONE it was once a warning and you needed to leave or be arrested for trespass. Last year they made it a felony, jail time, fine, community service and probation and I believe confiscation of your firearm which you have to petition to get back and they are not responsible for it while in their care.

OreGONE headed for hell faster than any state.

Finnky

I agree that Texas laws may be a bit overly restrictive, but they’ve been moving in the right direction. As long as we are part of the union, federal property will remain subject to federal law – so not much Texas can do about that part. For schools, I no longer have school age children so it does not directly impact me. Unless they are using school as a polling place for an election – but I’d forgotten we are also no allowed to carry within some distance (1000′?) of a polling place during an election. Technically some are allowed… Read more »

Roland T. Gunner

Oh fuck you Ronnie; that’s a bullshit convoluted twist of logic.

Oldvet

Ronie KC MO… There is a difference.

musicman44mag

I know what solves this problem. A new law!!! One that says that all vehicles shall come with a safe that cannot be opened or removed from the vehicle. That will fix it. Hell, we pay for catalytic converters so we can put money in Jerry Brown Sr. (X governor of Kommiefornia) pocket under the guise that it is to save the environment. The government could require the safe easy peasy and could justify it under the safe environment health and safety act.

Sarcasm

OreGONE.

Tionico

HEY there are LAWS that prohibit unauthoirised folks from breaking into MY car. Da Coppers are SPOZED ta be enforcing those laws, and are NOT. THey KNOW who are doing this, and how/when/why. They are PAID to take care of this. So YOU want to put the fault of these B&E and gun theft crimes on ME? There is a very short pier up inClrksville Missouri, just the other side of the state, You need to go take a LONG walk on that pier. head east and keep going in that direction. And take your lazy corrupt copper friends with… Read more »

Arizona

No, there should not be a law! Any law demanding specific storage requirements would be unconstitutional and ignores the fact that the criminal is violating someone’s property in order to steal a gun… that’s two crimes.

BobS

You say “managers … determine who may or may not carry in their establishment. Places that serve intoxicating liquor are conditional gun free zones in Missouri.” Private property owners everywhere may bar people carrying on their property – that ability is not distinctive to Missouri. The good news is, Missouri does not put the force of its law behind a prohibition in bars. That means the car gun storage theft problem is quick cheap and easy to solve, requiring no action from the police or city council: Just persuade the owners of the establishments to stop barring people from carrying… Read more »

Ed

If you’ve got an increase in crime in a certain area at a certain time, like the Entertainment District during busy hours, you increase patrols in that area at that time. You don’t attempt the tyrannical act of taking away the rights of law abiding citizens.

musicman44mag

No argument, but how the hell are you supposed to do that when you defund the police. You can’t and that is just the way they want it.

GeniusJoe

I live in Kansas City so perhaps I can shed some light on this. Those of you who have assumed these bars/clubs have a certain target demo are 100% correct. The only, and I mean only, bars in this city that would not let you bring a gun in, or require a metal detector, are in very specific “urban” areas; or they cater to specifically to a “urban” crowd. The same non-urban area bars/clubs that don’t cater to this crowd have no such problems, and do not require metal detectors. The bars with metal detectors downtown uave very specific demographics… Read more »

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Wild Bill

Good report.

Autsin Miller III

Well stated but if you don’t mind, please let me elucidate. The entire pedestrian area of Westport is a gun free zone (See attachment.) In order to enter the area, not just a drinking establishment, you go through a metal detector. https://westportkcmo.com/safety/

musicman44mag

Wow, I love how educational hanging out on this web site is. I saw the word {elucidate) and said it into my phone to find the definition. My wife said,:” wow, I never heard that word before, somebody has a big vocabulary”. Thanks. I would have chosen clarify.

You might not be able to teach an old dog new tricks, but he can always learn a new word. If you said frisbee in front of mine, he went nuts. After a while, spelling it was no good either.

GeniusJoe

I don’t go to westport since I turned 30 lol. Thanks for the info.

Autsin Miller III

Sorry, I didn’t look that up and I quit visiting drinking establishments before 30 also and I’m 70 so I’m really out of touch ( probably on a lot of things!) Stay safe there in KC brother.

GeniusJoe

Does the Power and Light district do that too now? I also avoid that area like the plague.

Roland T. Gunner

Sounds great, but you will never hear it pushed on the radio by the Ad Council.

WI Patriot

And I blame the ineptness of LEO’s everywhere…

JSNMGC

Enforcers should work on retaining the firearms they carry/transport.

It would also be helpful if they worked a little harder to arrest violent criminals.

Finnky

I for one feel sorry for that Lady Cop who was shot with her own gun the other day. I imagine her family wishes there had been a (some) legal concealed carriers present at that time. Just a reminder of the importance of retention, having backup tools, and having the will to fight to the bitter end. I know none of the details, but article said she was begging for her life when they shot her. Never know what one would do in a similar situation, but I’d hope that I would be fighting to the last moment. While a… Read more »

Roland T. Gunner

I have not seen or heard about that officer shooting. Sounds Godaweful. Almost exactly 30 years ago, I was a rookie assigned to Houston PD’s North Shepherd substation; not yet off our training program. One afternoon, my older partner and training officer chased a good citizen through the neighborhood on foot for some reason or othrr, I forget why; and caught up to him in a wooded lot, where the fight was on. I still carried the mandated probationary S&W 4″ .38/.357, and my partner, old school to the core, did as well. While we were wrassling with our miscreant,… Read more »

JSNMGC

Didn’t pan out for the real hero in Colorado who saved the day only to be killed by a cop.

Russn8r

Link please!

Russn8r

Picture BLUE sock pups beating down a link! Brave!

JSNMGC

What happens when their own community turns against them and snubs them at every opportunity? Don hasn’t posted here in a while, but he indicated he would follow orders to enforce registration of semiautomatic rifles. He would arrest his neighbor for not complying. He refused to answer whether he would follow orders to enforce laws to confiscate semiautomatic rifles (his silence was an answer). Don was a Washington State police officer and then he retired to a “red” state. Don enjoys a good reputation here, among all the armed government employees (current and retired) and those who support them unconditionally.… Read more »

Russn8r

Breathless reporter:
“Beloved officer Beesley”
“and 40-yr-old Hurley.”

Why isn’t Hurley beloved? Wrong costume?

And let me guess: ‘Qualified’ immunity?

Takeaway: No good deed unpunished?

musicman44mag

I read that article when it happened. Too bad it did.

Patriot Solutions

But the call already went out and somebody had to get shot even if they weren’t actually pointing a gun at LE. Once the call goes out that’s it the training kicks in.

JSNMGC

The enforcer who did the shooting went home safe. That’s what matters.

Patriot Solutions

He was just doing his job.

musicman44mag

I wonder if TODAY, the cop would be held on murder charges. If the female cop could get murder for pulling a gun instead of a taser taser taser, shouldn’t he get murder since he intentionally shot him on purpose. It’s just another cop making another mistake, right? Maybe it is because the person aiding law enforcement wasn’t black, that could be the difference.

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Grigori

“I suspect most of the offenders are minors of specially protected groups, which the police view as dangerous to arrest and prosecute.

Blaming “access to guns” is an easy excuse for political decisions to not aggressively arrest and prosecute the criminals who are doing the stealing.”

Nail hit squarely on head!!!!

Finnky

Sounded like part of the problem is access to guns. That is access to easily stolen guns. Dean addressed this issue with multiple simple (and frankly obvious) solutions. (1) let people hang onto their own guns rather than leaving them accessible in locked cars. (2) If people may not carry in the local – provide both secured storage and site security. Stronger police response, bait cars, etc. sound attractive – however such efforts are always short lived. They initial arrests get police department in the news, making both police and politicians look good – but then other priorities arise and… Read more »

Finnky

Did I offend someone by suggesting that a “police state” is not a desirable outcome? I’ve got to work on this as so many others instantly garner at least three downvotes for every post. To those triggered enforcers out there – I do support police and understand their necessity in society. I do however require they remain on a tight leash and do not attempt to assume power (individually or collectively). As long as police anywhere attempt to suppress information on undesirable police conduct, and as long as so many – frequent examples are being made — no one in… Read more »

Ronnie

I AGREE – if Only Our JUSTICE SYSTEM ABIDED BY THE “LAW OF THE LAND ” ! And if we Had more Public Showing of ALL ARRESTS – And if Cities Invested in more LEOS! And if GANGS WERE LABELED – CRIMINAL & AGAINST THE LAW! – We might be able to Use States NATIONAL GUARD right now And Make A SWEEP ACROSS ALL CITIES WITH GANGS ! ROUND THEM UP AND PUT THEM ALL IN PRISON (they can Beat each other ) Only reason For Gangs is CRIMINAL ACTIVITY ! FACT! Haven’t seen a gang Yet That IS GOOD… Read more »

Wild Bill

I don’t know … you might want to consult the Posse Comitatus Act, before you advocate committing troops.

Finnky

@WB – I though Posse Comitatus Act limited federal use of troops. Does it also limit state’s use of their own National Guard? If so – great. When a government deploys military force against their citizens, that government surrenders all legitimacy.

Given fragility of our nation at this point – I pray our government does not exasperate the problems in this manner.

JSNMGC

WE hAVe a POleeCE sTATe, bUT wE NEed MOre PoLEECE !!!! MoRE LaWS, MoRE POLeece !!!!! NOT-so-QuaLIFIED immuNITY NEEDS to BE UNqualifed SO the POleece CAN do the NEEdful !!!! I remEmBER WHen . . . ehhhh . . . ahhhhh . . .

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Stag

These statist’s only solution is more government thugs. Here’s an idea. Instead of more how about having the ones already employed actually fight crime instead of spending all day fleecing the citizens for victimless “crimes”. I bet if the focus was on preventing and investigating crimes against people and their property then these types of things would decrease dramatically.

JSNMGC

Yes, and stop sending six enforcers to respond to “man with a camera recording government employees” calls.

I suggest RoNniE get involved and work with other voters to change the system in Maryland so more violent criminals are arrested, prosecuted, convicted, given appropriate sentences, and actually serve those sentences.

While he’s doing that, perhaps some community leaders in high crime neighborhoods could work on improving the dysfunctional micro-culture in high crime neighborhoods.

None of that requires any more laws or more enforcers.

Patriot Solutions

Those recordings can cost them a lot more money than what is spent paying 6 $15.00 an hour stooges to shut those camera men down. It’s proof that math still counts in America, especially when it favors the blue. Not in schools but when the state is counting it matters.

Autsin Miller III

Thanks for the article Dean. I live just outside KC and grew up in the county. KCMO AND KCK leadership, specifically the mayors and police chiefs are very anti 2A. They have a lot of support by way of extremely biased reporting from the formerly reputable KC Star news paper and the public radio station, KCUR.I used to financially support both but haven’t for a number of years due to their lack of credibility. To be fair, there is a serious problem in both entertainment districts they reported on and it IS because people are being required to leave their… Read more »