Judge Asks ATF and DOJ to Weigh In On Rare Breed FRT-15 Patent Case

ATF Determines That The Rare Breed FRT-15 Trigger is A Machine Gun
Judge Asks ATF and DOJ to Weigh In On Rare Breed FRT-15 Patent Case

GAINESVILLE, FL -(Ammoland.com)- A judge in the patent infringement lawsuit has asked the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF), the US Patent Office, and the Department of Justice (DOJ) to weigh in on Rare Breed FRT-15 trigger.

Rare Breed Triggers sued Big Daddy Enterprises, the parent company of Big Daddy Unlimited (BDU) and Wide Open Trigger. The trigger manufacturer claimed that the giant firearms retailer ripped off the design of the Rare Breed FRT-15 trigger for its Wide Open Trigger (WOT). Big Daddy Enterprises denied those allegations claiming that the design of the WOT was not based on any of Rare Breed Triggers’ patents.

In a recent filing, BDU lawyers made several accusations against Rare Breed Triggers. Some firearms influencers claimed that the company sided with the ATF by insisting that the Rare Breed FRT-15 was a machine gun. Tony McKnight, Big Daddy Enterprises President, vehemently denied those allegations. He says that the attorney was just referencing the ATF’s claim.

The controversial line reads: “Foster functions on the same mechanical principle, but it includes a disconnector that prevents the automatic-fire attainable with the FRT-15. Thus, the ATF determined the Foster trigger is not a machine gun (even though it doubles the rate of fire), and it continues to be marketed by Mr. Foster’s company, Fostech. The only real distinction is Plaintiffs willingness to operate outside the law, not any technical improvement.”

The judge in the case did note in the request to the government agencies that neither party believes FRTs to be machine guns.

The Judge wrote: “The plaintiffs and defendants assert such triggers are not machineguns. No party in these cases has asserted or can be expected to assert that the triggers are illegal, and thus no party has briefed or can be expected to brief questions such as whether a party can recover for patent infringement based on sale of an illegal product.”

Whether or not BDU’s lawyers called the FRT-15 a machine gun is up for debate. What is not up for debate is that the judge has now engaged with the government to get its opinion on the FRT-15. Rare Breed’s case will be jeopardized if it is determined the company cannot collect damages on a patent infringement case involving an illegal item, and if the judge believes the FRT-15 to be a machine gun.

The ATF issued Rare Breed with a cease-and-desist order last year, demanding the company stop selling its popular trigger. The ATF claimed to have determined that the FRT-15 was a machine gun during a criminal examination. Rare Breed ignored the demand and kept selling the trigger. Later the ATF sent out an advisory to all law enforcement agencies about force reset triggers saying that the trigger converted an AR-15 to a machine gun. The ATF included pictures of the FRT-15 and BDU’s WOT in the notice.

The ATF then contacted federal firearms licensees (FFLs), warning the gun shops that “some” forced reset triggers are machine guns. The notice didn’t list any specific triggers, but because of the ATF’s previous actions, such as showing up at Big Daddy Unlimited to seize triggers like the FRT-15 and the WOT, many FFLs stopped carrying the triggers.

Last month the ATF charged a man with violating the National Firearms Act for having machine guns. In a DOJ press release, the government called force reset triggers machine guns. One of those “machine guns” was a Rare Breed FRT-15.

Then a few days ago, the ATF started showing up at the doors of gun owners who purchased FRT-15 triggers on Gun Broker to confiscate the item. The ATF obtained the information by pressuring the sellers to turn over their customer records. The confiscations are now limited to the Rare Breed FRT-15 trigger.

If the ATF or DOJ issues an Amicus brief stating that the FRT-15 is a machine gun, that would demonstrate that the ATF is willing to step up its attacks on force reset triggers. Judges and prosecutors might consider it a green light to start charging gun owners with NFA violations. Even though that is not a sure thing, gun owners should be aware of the impact of the brief.

Lawrence Demonico, President of Rare Breed Triggers, declined to comment on the advice of his attorney. Tony McKnight, President of Big Daddy Enterprises, said the company would release a video addressing the case and controversy soon.


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Arizona

The frt does not in any way use the mechanics of the fostec trigger. Adding a Disconnector isn’t the difference bw the two. The frt only fires once per trigger pull and does not fire upon release. The fostec fires on trigger pull and AGAIN on release. Totally different functionality. BATFE has no clue what they are talking about. Per the legal definition, one shot per function of the trigger, the frt is a semi auto trigger. People on video showed if they kept the trigger depressed, the bolt would not cycle and could not even reset. This is blatant… Read more »

Prepper

So many ignorant Fudds, so eager to spew their opinions in the comments section.

Hazcat

The only real distinction is Plaintiffs (FRT) willingness to operate outside the law” BDU is without a doubt saying quite clearly that the FRT trigger is a machine gun and I hope BDU is sued out of business and that the owner is left homeless.

swmft

looks like scotus will have to take another case shutting down atf

gregs

isn’t the burden of proof on the government to prove that a law was violated, not some subjective/selective dictate, for prosecution?
y’all should just capitulate to the superior knowledge of john about the engineering and function of the frt. he might be the member of batfe that is going to provide the input for this case.

john

The federal government granted a patent for FR15 rare breed triggers What does that mean in legal terms This will go to the supreme court without any doubt

Read on

https://www.uspto.gov/patents/basics/general-information-patents

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/35/271

Can you patent something that’s illegal?
You can’t patent abstract ideas, works of art, obvious solutions, inventions created specifically for illegal purposes, and inventions that were revealed more than 12 months before filing the patent application.

john

I have watched this video over and over midway through aiming at the steel plate only one hit with a 30 round mag. Again the thought of facing down those young men in the first video who clearly like to waste ammo down range without hits on target. In a public setting a lot will go wrong in the hands of someone committing a criminal act It is a awful lot to digest in the hands of the unskilled.Just because you can doesn’t mean everybody should. That is why the marines and the military have to qualify with the weapons… Read more »

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john

The fact is FR15 triggers or rare breed will make a semi automatic rate of fire as fast as fully automatic firearm. Installation is easy This is not my wheelhouse I would not want to have to face this down with a regular semi auto rifle or pistol in a home invasion or one on one in a public space. I do not disagree with the right of personal ownership https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KbCxC1BuYXw Rare Breed FRT-15 Shooting Compilation/Review *Extremely Fast* https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IF-k-nAqv4o Comments by users Dumped two mag through both Rare Breeds, and once you learned to brace for the recoil the guns… Read more »